All the attention has been focused on Houston and Cleveland as Anthonys desired landing spots. But on Wednesday, the Blazers, formerly seen as facilitators, possibly stepped up as suitors through their All-Star backcourt. Guards Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum, speaking to reporters at Lillards basketball camp, indicated their belief Anthony would consider Portland.
I think hes interested, McCollum told the Oregonian and later, speaking on SiriusXM Radio, said, If we add Carmelo Anthony, well be a top three team in the West immediately.
Lillard said Anthony joining the Blazers is a real possibility, according to Rip City Radio.
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His trainer says he's in the best shape he's ever seen him in and they started working together when Melo was traded here.
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Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).
I'm still going Boston. They just added Hayward and Tatum to the East's runner up and have another (likely) top 5 pick coming to them next year. Plus additional assets to use in other deals.
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.
I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).
I think you can argue that Houston and the Spurs (if Kawhi is healthy) both would've beaten the Cavs last year.
I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.
Kyrie, Melo and LeBron in any tournament is going to have to be respected.
It's not Curry, Thompson, KD and Draymond but I think it's very formidable.
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.
I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).
I think BOS probably closed the gap some, sure, but CLE is still much better. CLE will have the best two players in a CLE-BOS matchup, including a top 5 player of all time.
I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.
They added Tatum, Hayward (bizarrely underrated by a segment of BBI), Morris, Baynes, Zizic, Ojeleye (he may be able to give Lebron a bit of trouble or at least slow him down a bit). Smart is a plus defender in regard to Kyrie. Jalen Brown year 2. Celtics on paper look locked and loaded.
if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....
Im not very high on the Celts. They were a 53 win team last season. No idea how that got them the #1 seed (would bave been tied for the 4-5-6 seed in the west). I still have them worse than Cleveland, and Houston for sure. SAS I hesitate to make a prediction on because of age/LMA issues, but they're always good and won 8 more games than Boston in a tougher conference. So I have BOS at #5 or worse. I have an eye on WAS as Wall and Beal continue to mature.
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that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.
if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....
But I don't even see a change in definition. Like I said it doesn't matter on the court but he keeps posting these videos and I'm not really seeing any change. I mean Patrick never really had jacked/cut arms either.
You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.
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I've seen a lot of development in his physique
You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.
it looks like he still has baby fat, for all the cardio he is doing he should be more ripped, in my opinion...
could be what he is eating to, its almost like he is eating to bulk but not lifting enough to actually bulk
Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
Love has become a good defensive player and is a very good rebounder. He's also 4years younger. They'd be crazy to give up Love for Melo.
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes
Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.
KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes
What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?
KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.
He was listed at 235 on draft night, in his most recent workout video he says he's currently 238 so while I agree he's certainly thicker than his rookie year I don't see any notable change over the past year. He previously stated he thought 245 would be a good weight for him but that obviously hasn't happened yet. For comparisons sake Dirk is listed at 7'0 245, Pau 7'0 254, Willy 6'11 256
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes
What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?
Rockets are going to be very good for the near future so "multiple picks" still wouldn't be a great haul. 3 years of Ryan Anderson for picks praying that a team that at worst will have an MVP caliber player in his prime is a bad bet.
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.
Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.
I think that there is a possible combination- which would require other pieces for cap purposes (I will put up some examples to demonstrate) and include some picks- but could be viable for all 3 teams.
The basic framework would be something along the lines of:
The Knicks send Melo and KOQ to Cleveland.
The Cavs send Love to Portland. The Cavs send Frye to the Knicks.
The Blazers send Harkless, Davis and Vonleh to the Knicks, plus their 1st rounders in 2018 and 2020.
There might have to be a few more pieces, but in general, the numbers would work.
Portlan likely makes out the best- they would have a core Lillard, McCollum, Love and Nurkic- and have a lot of pieces.
Cleveland gets Melo plus a "dirty work" body inside, which is where they got hurt last year- and only give up guys who work away from the rim. Might allow LeBron to take days off and give Melo the job for a day.
The Knicks don't get a lot of talent back- but except for Harkless's $10M per for 3 years, don't take back much in salary- and at least get 2 future chips in picks.
It isn't exciting, but it probably works better on paper for the Knicks than any trade with the Rockets.
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Click through these and tell me you think he looks different than he did at any point last season not when he was a teenager.
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I see marked improvement in his upper frame.
He'll get a little heavier each season just by nature.
If Capela isn't included, are young assets enough (choose from the following): Zhou Qi, Isiah Hartenstein, Troy Williams, Cam Oliver, 2019 1Rd, 2021 1Rd. Unlikely.
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You aren't wrong. We can trade for Lebron. We can see if we can get Curry or Chris Paul(I'm not sure what we have to trade for them, maybe Lance Thomas?) then maybe we can see how Ray Allen looks and just keep Melo. He's a perfect fit with that team.
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.
I remember being made fun of so much for saying that Rose is on the Rondo end of his career and will have to settle for 1-2 year deals, but even I'm shocked Rose is settling for vet minimum deals. OUCH! I almost wish Dep was here so he can tell us how Rose is still a top NBA PG.
We're cool now though right nygiants16 and Keith?
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.
I remember being made fun of so much for saying that Rose is on the Rondo end of his career and will have to settle for 1-2 year deals, but even I'm shocked Rose is settling for vet minimum deals. OUCH! I almost wish Dep was here so he can tell us how Rose is still a top NBA PG.
We're cool now though right nygiants16 and Keith?
yeah, its a message board if everyone agreed it would be a very boring place
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Cavs have only about $2.5M of the taxpayer mid-level and minimum salary exceptions left for Rose.
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Why not KNICKS ? No Trade Maybe we can put some guys together and do the same.
You aren't wrong. We can trade for Lebron. We can see if we can get Curry or Chris Paul(I'm not sure what we have to trade for them, maybe Lance Thomas?) then maybe we can see how Ray Allen looks and just keep Melo. He's a perfect fit with that team.
Don't encourage him.
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Why would the Nets get Davis for free?
Call it the Crapball lineup
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Why would the Nets get Davis for free?
I'd imagine for absorbing their cap room - Davis isn't exactly a high value asset. Would think most teams would prefer the full 10m of cap savings to spend however they choose, but Nets can easily get cut out.
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Why would the Nets get Davis for free?
I'd imagine for absorbing their cap room - Davis isn't exactly a high value asset. Would think most teams would prefer the full 10m of cap savings to spend however they choose, but Nets can easily get cut out.
I would assume an asset would be sent to the Nets for taking on Davis? Why wouldn't the Knicks just want that asset for themselves?
Free agent forward Troy Williams is returning to the Rockets, his agency ASM Sports announced today (via Twitter). According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (Twitter link), Williams will get a three-year contract with a fully guaranteed first year and trigger dates for years two and three.
it could help in the sense they dont have to send anderson to a 3rd team and they can send gordon and some of their non guaranteed out, may be easier to find a 3rd team that way...
OKC gets Melo and Oquinn
Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams
OKC gets Melo and Oquinn
Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams
Kanter is duplicative of Willy, and I think he wont opt out. If someone values him, make it a 3 way.
it was never at the 2 yard line, frank isola said that so whem the knicks did not make the deal he coukd say the knicks screwed it up...
he had an article yesterday thay said the paramaters of a deal were in pkace but were figurjng out where ryan anderson goes, umm that means you do not have the paramaters of the deal
If OKC would throw in a 1st Rd pick with Kanter , Grant and some other expirings it's an absolute no brainer. It guarantees Knicks are top 5 bad team next year in a very top heavy draft. Additionally there is a chance Melo, George and Westbrook are gone after next year.
If Houston wants us to take on Anderson, fine make sure to include a 2020 1st rounder (Houston would have to guarantee the 2018 they just sent out for us to be able to get a 2020) and either one of the 2 big man prospects. Anderson's contract is relevant over the next 3 years because Knicks are maxed out. Additionally allows for a full tank next year
I would also take Shump Frye, Fillers and a 1st rounder in 2020 or 2022 for Melo. Cleveland can get this done if Melo waives trade kicker. Shump's contract again irrelevant and helps guarantee top 5 pick. Shump is also tradeable at deadline to a team that needs a defensive guard/Wwing.
There is no upside to keeping Melo around, if have to take on bad contracts to get a 1st rounder and a young project then it's a no brainer. The contracts are irrelevant at this point.
This better not end with Jeremy Lin back at MSG
makes sense. They still have cap room....right?
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like an unreliable source but some guy from Daily Nets claims the Nets were approached about being the third team in a Melo/Houston deal.
makes sense. They still have cap room....right?
Yeah 16.5 million with Foye's hold, 19.5 without
OKC gets Melo and Oquinn
Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams
I actually really like that trade for both teams.
To take on Mozgov (3 years 48M) the price was Russell.
I just don't see any asset that would compel them to take on Anderson's 3 years 60M. If they get rid of Nicholson that brings the net cap hit more in the range of Mozgov, but there's still seemingly no asset HOU or NYK would give up that's in the ballpark of Russell. Also they'd lose all their space next year which looks to be a pretty good year for RFA's.
To take on Mozgov (3 years 48M) the price was Russell.
I just don't see any asset that would compel them to take on Anderson's 3 years 60M. If they get rid of Nicholson that brings the net cap hit more in the range of Mozgov, but there's still seemingly no asset HOU or NYK would give up that's in the ballpark of Russell. Also they'd lose all their space next year which looks to be a pretty good year for RFA's.
Spot on. Put aside RFAs for next year. The whole NBA world is talking about how a ton of teams are in lux tax territory for 2018-19. There are going to be picks available for taking 1 year deals next offseason.