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NFT: Knicks Chat: McCollum claims Melo is interested in Portland

DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:18 am
All the attention has been focused on Houston and Cleveland as Anthonys desired landing spots. But on Wednesday, the Blazers, formerly seen as facilitators, possibly stepped up as suitors through their All-Star backcourt. Guards Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum, speaking to reporters at Lillards basketball camp, indicated their belief Anthony would consider Portland.

I think hes interested, McCollum told the Oregonian and later, speaking on SiriusXM Radio, said, If we add Carmelo Anthony, well be a top three team in the West immediately.


Lillard said Anthony joining the Blazers is a real possibility, according to Rip City Radio.
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I just can't see Melo  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 9:19 am : link
being interested in going to Portland. That's just me though.
Melo looked good in the embedded  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:21 am : link
instagram video. Slim.
RE: Melo looked good in the embedded  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:23 am : link
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instagram video. Slim.


His trainer says he's in the best shape he's ever seen him in and they started working together when Melo was traded here.
Portland has more than  
Jan in DC : 7/20/2017 9:27 am : link
Cleveland or Houston. I still don't think you move him just to get him off the team though.
Speaking  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:28 am : link
of good shape... Greek Freak... wow
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If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:29 am : link
about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
If you had to  
elisha2014 : 7/20/2017 9:34 am : link
pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.
Alex  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:35 am : link
Kennedy says we are still interested in Muhammad... uh we have no money and he a blackhole... PASS
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13533099 elisha2014 said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.


I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).
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giants#1 : 7/20/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13533099 elisha2014 said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.


I'm still going Boston. They just added Hayward and Tatum to the East's runner up and have another (likely) top 5 pick coming to them next year. Plus additional assets to use in other deals.
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giants#1 : 7/20/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13533102 DanMetroMan said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.



I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).


I think you can argue that Houston and the Spurs (if Kawhi is healthy) both would've beaten the Cavs last year.
I'm sorry but  
elisha2014 : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
I don't think adding Gordon Hayward puts Boston over CLE. The Celtics got destroyed by them in the ECF last year and Hayward does not help with their biggest need of all - defending LeBron or Kyrie.

I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.
Melo is a move Cleveland makes for postseason only...  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
Which is really all that matters for these top teams anyway. I can see Boston winning the #1 seed again regardless because they are young and deep and don't need to get into this new phenomenon of resting.

Kyrie, Melo and LeBron in any tournament is going to have to be respected.

It's not Curry, Thompson, KD and Draymond but I think it's very formidable.
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Deej : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13533102 DanMetroMan said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.



I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).


I think BOS probably closed the gap some, sure, but CLE is still much better. CLE will have the best two players in a CLE-BOS matchup, including a top 5 player of all time.
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In comment 13533109 elisha2014 said:
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I don't think adding Gordon Hayward puts Boston over CLE. The Celtics got destroyed by them in the ECF last year and Hayward does not help with their biggest need of all - defending LeBron or Kyrie.

I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.


They added Tatum, Hayward (bizarrely underrated by a segment of BBI), Morris, Baynes, Zizic, Ojeleye (he may be able to give Lebron a bit of trouble or at least slow him down a bit). Smart is a plus defender in regard to Kyrie. Jalen Brown year 2. Celtics on paper look locked and loaded.
Deej  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:46 am : link
sure, I have no problem "betting" on Lebron vs. the field. He's that good. But the Celtics potentially could be very good this season. We'll see how they mesh, how good rookie year Tatum is, if Zizic/Ojeleye add anything. On paper they are extremely deep.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:52 am : link
that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.
RE: Not  
nygiants16 : 7/20/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13533118 DanMetroMan said:
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that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.


if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....

Hayward is a good pickup  
Deej : 7/20/2017 9:56 am : link
I think Thomas takes a step back, and I think there is a material chance his hip bothers him all season. Is Horford in a decline, or was that just an adjustment season? Stevens era Celts to me a sum is greater than its parts ensemble, and they shipped out a big piece in Bradley.

Im not very high on the Celts. They were a 53 win team last season. No idea how that got them the #1 seed (would bave been tied for the 4-5-6 seed in the west). I still have them worse than Cleveland, and Houston for sure. SAS I hesitate to make a prediction on because of age/LMA issues, but they're always good and won 8 more games than Boston in a tougher conference. So I have BOS at #5 or worse. I have an eye on WAS as Wall and Beal continue to mature.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:56 am : link
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that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.



if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....

But I don't even see a change in definition. Like I said it doesn't matter on the court but he keeps posting these videos and I'm not really seeing any change. I mean Patrick never really had jacked/cut arms either.
Celtics  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:58 am : link
just signed Shane Larkin for 1.5 million, not that he was mentioned on our PG radar but one less option.
KP  
Deej : 7/20/2017 9:58 am : link
I'd guess he's got one of those body types that makes it really hard to add extra mass. A guy I work with eats candy 8 hours a day and is skinny as a rail. It will be a struggle for him I think.
in this offseason's video clips of KP  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 9:59 am : link
I've seen a lot of development in his physique
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:00 am : link
The only recent import with stats similar to Doncic is Dario Saric, and he was 21 in his final season overseas. Doncic is 18, and he still has one more year in Spain before hes draft eligible. When Saric was 18, he was still competing for junior teams and had played in only four Euroleague games. For an 18-year-old to do what [Doncic] is doing in the second-best league in the world is remarkable, said ESPN analyst Fran Fraschilla, who specializes in scouting international basketball. Hes always one play ahead. Ive been tracking him for years, a statistical analyst for an NBA team told me. My model has him as the second-best player in the world outside of the NBA. If I was running a team at the top of the draft, Id be doing everything in my power to get him. via The Ringer
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13533127 Pep22 said:
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I've seen a lot of development in his physique


You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.
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nygiants16 : 7/20/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13533131 DanMetroMan said:
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I've seen a lot of development in his physique



You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.


it looks like he still has baby fat, for all the cardio he is doing he should be more ripped, in my opinion...

could be what he is eating to, its almost like he is eating to bulk but not lifting enough to actually bulk
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Ira : 7/20/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13533093 Chris684 said:
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?


Love has become a good defensive player and is a very good rebounder. He's also 4years younger. They'd be crazy to give up Love for Melo.
Pictures  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:05 am : link
from last week with Team Latvia.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:10 am : link
true

Joseph Flynn‏Verified account @ChinaJoeFlynn 5m5 minutes ago
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes
RE: If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
djm : 7/20/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13533093 Chris684 said:
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?


I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.
KP  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 10:14 am : link
I don't question this kid's work ethic, competitiveness. Those things have been lacking from the team's supposed leader for a while now.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:17 am : link
not questioning KP at all. I'm merely stating in those photos (from last week) it's hard to really identify any change in his body from last off-season to this one. He clearly works hard and it's questionable how important "muscles" are. But if you click through that gallery he looks the same as he did at this point last year.
I wouldnt measure his progress by shots of his arms  
Deej : 7/20/2017 10:25 am : link
it's his ass and core that matter most. Legs too, but less so that ass and core strength.

KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.
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adamg : 7/20/2017 10:26 am : link
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes


What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13533150 Deej said:
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it's his ass and core that matter most. Legs too, but less so that ass and core strength.

KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.


He was listed at 235 on draft night, in his most recent workout video he says he's currently 238 so while I agree he's certainly thicker than his rookie year I don't see any notable change over the past year. He previously stated he thought 245 would be a good weight for him but that obviously hasn't happened yet. For comparisons sake Dirk is listed at 7'0 245, Pau 7'0 254, Willy 6'11 256
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:35 am : link
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes



What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?


Rockets are going to be very good for the near future so "multiple picks" still wouldn't be a great haul. 3 years of Ryan Anderson for picks praying that a team that at worst will have an MVP caliber player in his prime is a bad bet.
You be the judge..  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:40 am : link
I see the gains.




When he was with Latvia



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then give is more than 3 picks  
djm : 7/20/2017 10:40 am : link
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He's  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:42 am : link
19 years old in that Latvia picture c'mon. Click on the link I posted, it's from last week with over a dozen photos. Tell me he looks different than he did 1 year ago.
And here he is as a Knick  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:43 am : link
RE: RE: If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
rich in DC : 7/20/2017 10:43 am : link
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?



I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.


I think that there is a possible combination- which would require other pieces for cap purposes (I will put up some examples to demonstrate) and include some picks- but could be viable for all 3 teams.

The basic framework would be something along the lines of:

The Knicks send Melo and KOQ to Cleveland.

The Cavs send Love to Portland. The Cavs send Frye to the Knicks.

The Blazers send Harkless, Davis and Vonleh to the Knicks, plus their 1st rounders in 2018 and 2020.

There might have to be a few more pieces, but in general, the numbers would work.

Portlan likely makes out the best- they would have a core Lillard, McCollum, Love and Nurkic- and have a lot of pieces.

Cleveland gets Melo plus a "dirty work" body inside, which is where they got hurt last year- and only give up guys who work away from the rim. Might allow LeBron to take days off and give Melo the job for a day.

The Knicks don't get a lot of talent back- but except for Harkless's $10M per for 3 years, don't take back much in salary- and at least get 2 future chips in picks.

It isn't exciting, but it probably works better on paper for the Knicks than any trade with the Rockets.
RE: You be the judge..  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
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I see the gains.




When he was with Latvia



five days ago





Click through these and tell me you think he looks different than he did at any point last season not when he was a teenager.
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Dan the two pictures above are also from five days ago  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
On his instagram.

I see marked improvement in his upper frame.
Who knows if he was really 235  
Deej : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
I see 230 a bunch of places. I think he needs to be 245-50 longer term. Not as thick as more interior guys, but you have to adjust for the fact that he's at least 2-3 inches taller than the guys you mentioned.

He'll get a little heavier each season just by nature.
to take on RAs contract  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
would require Capela and that is probably a deal breaker for HOU

If Capela isn't included, are young assets enough (choose from the following): Zhou Qi, Isiah Hartenstein, Troy Williams, Cam Oliver, 2019 1Rd, 2021 1Rd. Unlikely.
Melo for Ryan Anderson + Qi + some picks  
giants#1 : 7/20/2017 10:48 am : link
Someone will have interest in Anderson at the deadline (it's not like he's Noah), if not this year then next. Just move him for a deal with a little less money or fewer years remaining + a pick when the time comes.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:55 am : link
be nervous with Qi. He apparently looked very over matched physically in summer league and his age is in question. I'd 100% take him but I think his case is being a bit overstated.
Deadspin: KP Has Produced The Only Relatable Athlete Workout Videos  
widmerseyebrow : 7/20/2017 10:59 am : link
Kind of funny. But it does seem a bit odd that two pro seasons in he's struggling with form and lifting very light still.
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Question is if Anthony makes other teams a top contender  
Elite Mobster #32 : 7/20/2017 11:02 am : link
Why not KNICKS ? No Trade Maybe we can put some guys together and do the same.
Anthony  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 11:04 am : link
doesn't make a team a contender unless that team already has two top 10 players.
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Keith : 7/20/2017 11:07 am : link
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Why not KNICKS ? No Trade Maybe we can put some guys together and do the same.


You aren't wrong. We can trade for Lebron. We can see if we can get Curry or Chris Paul(I'm not sure what we have to trade for them, maybe Lance Thomas?) then maybe we can see how Ray Allen looks and just keep Melo. He's a perfect fit with that team.
Sidebar  
Sgrcts : 7/20/2017 11:31 am : link
Am I the only one who thinks Kawhi wins MVP in a landslide this year? Both Harden and Westbrooks #s and narrative will be diminished by their new teammates, Lebron doesnt care enough about the regular season. Its either Kawhi in my eyes or someone else who takes that next step like Giannis or AD.
Great  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 11:35 am : link
fit. Brian Windhorst‏Verified account @WindhorstESPN 13m13 minutes ago
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.
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Sgrcts : 7/20/2017 11:39 am : link
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fit. Brian Windhorst‏Verified account @WindhorstESPN 13m13 minutes ago
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.


I remember being made fun of so much for saying that Rose is on the Rondo end of his career and will have to settle for 1-2 year deals, but even I'm shocked Rose is settling for vet minimum deals. OUCH! I almost wish Dep was here so he can tell us how Rose is still a top NBA PG.

We're cool now though right nygiants16 and Keith?
do Cavs still have  
Enzo : 7/20/2017 11:42 am : link
their exception? He could theoretically be getting more than the min.
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nygiants16 : 7/20/2017 11:43 am : link
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fit. Brian Windhorst‏Verified account @WindhorstESPN 13m13 minutes ago
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Derrick Rose is in serious talks with the Cavs on a 1-year deal, sources tell @wojespn and me.



I remember being made fun of so much for saying that Rose is on the Rondo end of his career and will have to settle for 1-2 year deals, but even I'm shocked Rose is settling for vet minimum deals. OUCH! I almost wish Dep was here so he can tell us how Rose is still a top NBA PG.

We're cool now though right nygiants16 and Keith?


yeah, its a message board if everyone agreed it would be a very boring place
Cavs can  
Enzo : 7/20/2017 11:44 am : link
now field a starting 5 of ex Knicks: Calderon/Rose/Shump/JR/Frye!
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 11:48 am : link
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Cavs have only about $2.5M of the taxpayer mid-level and minimum salary exceptions left for Rose.
Austin Green  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 11:51 am : link
ranked Brad Wanamaker as his #3 best Euroleague PG last season and I believe he's available, why not give him a look?
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djm : 7/20/2017 11:51 am : link
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Why not KNICKS ? No Trade Maybe we can put some guys together and do the same.



You aren't wrong. We can trade for Lebron. We can see if we can get Curry or Chris Paul(I'm not sure what we have to trade for them, maybe Lance Thomas?) then maybe we can see how Ray Allen looks and just keep Melo. He's a perfect fit with that team.


Don't encourage him.
Net fan, but I come in peace - who says no to this trade?  
Eric on Li : 7/20/2017 11:56 am : link
Knicks would also be receiving Portland's 1st round pick.
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Carmelo
RE: Net fan, but I come in peace - who says no to this trade?  
Deej : 7/20/2017 12:06 pm : link
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Why would the Nets get Davis for free?
RE: Cavs can  
Deej : 7/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
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now field a starting 5 of ex Knicks: Calderon/Rose/Shump/JR/Frye!


Call it the Crapball lineup
McCollum is trying to speak it into existence.  
Heisenberg : 7/20/2017 12:23 pm : link
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Eric on Li : 7/20/2017 12:23 pm : link
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Why would the Nets get Davis for free?


I'd imagine for absorbing their cap room - Davis isn't exactly a high value asset. Would think most teams would prefer the full 10m of cap savings to spend however they choose, but Nets can easily get cut out.
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Enzo : 7/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
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I'd imagine for absorbing their cap room - Davis isn't exactly a high value asset. Would think most teams would prefer the full 10m of cap savings to spend however they choose, but Nets can easily get cut out.

I would assume an asset would be sent to the Nets for taking on Davis? Why wouldn't the Knicks just want that asset for themselves?
and keep Davis  
Enzo : 7/20/2017 12:27 pm : link
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So  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
when can he be traded?

Free agent forward Troy Williams is returning to the Rockets, his agency ASM Sports announced today (via Twitter). According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (Twitter link), Williams will get a three-year contract with a fully guaranteed first year and trigger dates for years two and three.
Reports that Melo will waive his 8M  
Phil in LA : 7/21/2017 12:14 am : link
trade kicker for Houston.
i mean i guess that kinda helps...  
Italianju : 7/21/2017 8:36 am : link
but not really. Hou still need to send out around 20 mill to make the deal work. Your still looking at anderson who we dont want or a Gordon/Ariza combo which Im sure HOU wont do. I mean we dont technically know what guys like QI and Williams signed for, but i cant imagine its enough to make it work. Maybe it is if they send Gordon with them, but who knows.
RE: i mean i guess that kinda helps...  
nygiants16 : 7/21/2017 8:42 am : link
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but not really. Hou still need to send out around 20 mill to make the deal work. Your still looking at anderson who we dont want or a Gordon/Ariza combo which Im sure HOU wont do. I mean we dont technically know what guys like QI and Williams signed for, but i cant imagine its enough to make it work. Maybe it is if they send Gordon with them, but who knows.


it could help in the sense they dont have to send anderson to a 3rd team and they can send gordon and some of their non guaranteed out, may be easier to find a 3rd team that way...
Under the radar team to trade for Melo  
GMEN46 : 7/21/2017 9:32 am : link
What about OKC?

OKC gets Melo and Oquinn

Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams
Made it to the 2 yard line  
ghost718 : 7/21/2017 10:12 am : link
Than Steve Mills with the Garo Yepremian pass
RE: Under the radar team to trade for Melo  
Deej : 7/21/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13534451 GMEN46 said:
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What about OKC?

OKC gets Melo and Oquinn

Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams


Kanter is duplicative of Willy, and I think he wont opt out. If someone values him, make it a 3 way.
Why want an opt out player?  
Carl in CT : 7/21/2017 10:50 am : link
Get a young building piece. You don't give Melo away. If he doesn't want to be here, we will crack and open his list.
RE: Made it to the 2 yard line  
nygiants16 : 7/21/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13534530 ghost718 said:
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Than Steve Mills with the Garo Yepremian pass


it was never at the 2 yard line, frank isola said that so whem the knicks did not make the deal he coukd say the knicks screwed it up...

he had an article yesterday thay said the paramaters of a deal were in pkace but were figurjng out where ryan anderson goes, umm that means you do not have the paramaters of the deal
A lot of guys aren't getting it  
GMEN46 : 7/21/2017 1:48 pm : link
We are not getting back a big haul for Melo. Would you rather keep Melo for the year and prob win 35 games, get the 9-12th pick and deal with all the Melodrama? Who cares if Kanter has the same game as Willy he can come off the bench and play 25 minutes. Who cares if he opts in in year 2 we are going to have no cap space for 3 more years, so his contract is completely irrelevant.

If OKC would throw in a 1st Rd pick with Kanter , Grant and some other expirings it's an absolute no brainer. It guarantees Knicks are top 5 bad team next year in a very top heavy draft. Additionally there is a chance Melo, George and Westbrook are gone after next year.

If Houston wants us to take on Anderson, fine make sure to include a 2020 1st rounder (Houston would have to guarantee the 2018 they just sent out for us to be able to get a 2020) and either one of the 2 big man prospects. Anderson's contract is relevant over the next 3 years because Knicks are maxed out. Additionally allows for a full tank next year

I would also take Shump Frye, Fillers and a 1st rounder in 2020 or 2022 for Melo. Cleveland can get this done if Melo waives trade kicker. Shump's contract again irrelevant and helps guarantee top 5 pick. Shump is also tradeable at deadline to a team that needs a defensive guard/Wwing.

There is no upside to keeping Melo around, if have to take on bad contracts to get a 1st rounder and a young project then it's a no brainer. The contracts are irrelevant at this point.
I wouldn't say the contracts are irrelevant  
Heisenberg : 7/21/2017 1:55 pm : link
I would say that any bad one shouldn't be longer than Melo's. The problem with Anderson is that he has three years left two Melo's 2. If we have to take contracts that are longer than 2 years, they should be decent ones. If they aren't, then just hold on to Melo because his contract isn't bad anymore.
I think having Kanter here would hurt Willy's development  
Deej : 7/21/2017 1:57 pm : link
so I dont want him.
It doesn't matter taking in contracts longer than Melo  
GMEN46 : 7/21/2017 2:12 pm : link
We have Hardaway, Thomas, Lee and Noah all with 3 more years, no big free agent is signing the year after Melo's contract with that supporting cast. That's like $60 million locked into crap. Aditonally there is still a chance Melo opts out this year if has a good year, thinking he can prob sign one more decently sized contract. Again no one is sogning with the Knicks. They need to draft top flight young guys over next 3 years, take on bad contracts for more picks, like the Nets and Sixers did. Then have full flexibility in 3 years with a bunch of young talented players, that would entice free agents in their prime to sign.
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:13 pm : link
like an unreliable source but some guy from Daily Nets claims the Nets were approached about being the third team in a Melo/Houston deal.

RE: Seems  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13535019 DanMetroMan said:
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like an unreliable source but some guy from Daily Nets claims the Nets were approached about being the third team in a Melo/Houston deal.


This better not end with Jeremy Lin back at MSG
I'd take Lin back.  
Keith : 7/21/2017 3:15 pm : link
He was annoying the way he nursed his little boo boo, but he's a solid PG.
RE: Seems  
Enzo : 7/21/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13535019 DanMetroMan said:
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like an unreliable source but some guy from Daily Nets claims the Nets were approached about being the third team in a Melo/Houston deal.

makes sense. They still have cap room....right?
RE: RE: Seems  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13535027 Enzo said:
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In comment 13535019 DanMetroMan said:


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like an unreliable source but some guy from Daily Nets claims the Nets were approached about being the third team in a Melo/Houston deal.



makes sense. They still have cap room....right?


Yeah 16.5 million with Foye's hold, 19.5 without
RE: Under the radar team to trade for Melo  
NoGainDayne : 7/21/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13534451 GMEN46 said:
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What about OKC?

OKC gets Melo and Oquinn

Knicks get Kanter who more then likely opts out next year so it's expiring and they have a bunch of fillers, Jeremy grant Ronnie piece huestas and then they throw in 2 1st Rd future picks. They could def compete with Golden state rolling out Westbrook, George, Robertson, Melo and Adams


I actually really like that trade for both teams.
I don't see Nets taking on Anderson  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 3:35 pm : link
To take on Caroll (2 years 30M) the price was a non-lotto 1st and a high 2nd.

To take on Mozgov (3 years 48M) the price was Russell.

I just don't see any asset that would compel them to take on Anderson's 3 years 60M. If they get rid of Nicholson that brings the net cap hit more in the range of Mozgov, but there's still seemingly no asset HOU or NYK would give up that's in the ballpark of Russell. Also they'd lose all their space next year which looks to be a pretty good year for RFA's.
RE: I don't see Nets taking on Anderson  
Deej : 7/21/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13535054 Eric on Li said:
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To take on Caroll (2 years 30M) the price was a non-lotto 1st and a high 2nd.

To take on Mozgov (3 years 48M) the price was Russell.

I just don't see any asset that would compel them to take on Anderson's 3 years 60M. If they get rid of Nicholson that brings the net cap hit more in the range of Mozgov, but there's still seemingly no asset HOU or NYK would give up that's in the ballpark of Russell. Also they'd lose all their space next year which looks to be a pretty good year for RFA's.


Spot on. Put aside RFAs for next year. The whole NBA world is talking about how a ton of teams are in lux tax territory for 2018-19. There are going to be picks available for taking 1 year deals next offseason.
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