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NFT: Knicks Chat: McCollum claims Melo is interested in Portland

DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:18 am
All the attention has been focused on Houston and Cleveland as Anthony’s desired landing spots. But on Wednesday, the Blazers, formerly seen as facilitators, possibly stepped up as suitors through their All-Star backcourt. Guards Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum, speaking to reporters at Lillard’s basketball camp, indicated their belief Anthony would consider Portland.

“I think he’s interested,” McCollum told the Oregonian and later, speaking on SiriusXM Radio, said, “If we add Carmelo Anthony, we’ll be a top three team in the West immediately.”


Lillard said Anthony joining the Blazers is “a real possibility,” according to Rip City Radio.
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I just can't see Melo  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 9:19 am : link
being interested in going to Portland. That's just me though.
Melo looked good in the embedded  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:21 am : link
instagram video. Slim.
RE: Melo looked good in the embedded  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13533086 Chris684 said:
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instagram video. Slim.


His trainer says he's in the best shape he's ever seen him in and they started working together when Melo was traded here.
Portland has more than  
Jan in DC : 7/20/2017 9:27 am : link
Cleveland or Houston. I still don't think you move him just to get him off the team though.
Speaking  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:28 am : link
of good shape... Greek Freak... wow
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If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:29 am : link
about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?
If you had to  
elisha2014 : 7/20/2017 9:34 am : link
pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.
Alex  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:35 am : link
Kennedy says we are still interested in Muhammad... uh we have no money and he a blackhole... PASS
RE: If you had to  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13533099 elisha2014 said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.


I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).
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giants#1 : 7/20/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13533099 elisha2014 said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.


I'm still going Boston. They just added Hayward and Tatum to the East's runner up and have another (likely) top 5 pick coming to them next year. Plus additional assets to use in other deals.
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giants#1 : 7/20/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13533102 DanMetroMan said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.



I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).


I think you can argue that Houston and the Spurs (if Kawhi is healthy) both would've beaten the Cavs last year.
I'm sorry but  
elisha2014 : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
I don't think adding Gordon Hayward puts Boston over CLE. The Celtics got destroyed by them in the ECF last year and Hayward does not help with their biggest need of all - defending LeBron or Kyrie.

I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.
Melo is a move Cleveland makes for postseason only...  
Chris684 : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
Which is really all that matters for these top teams anyway. I can see Boston winning the #1 seed again regardless because they are young and deep and don't need to get into this new phenomenon of resting.

Kyrie, Melo and LeBron in any tournament is going to have to be respected.

It's not Curry, Thompson, KD and Draymond but I think it's very formidable.
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Deej : 7/20/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13533102 DanMetroMan said:
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pick which team in the East is next to make the finals once LeBron either goes to LA or loses his fastball I'd go with Milwaukee over Boston. Giannis is going to be an MVP level player and they have the makings of a nice supporting cast around him already.



I'm not so sure Cleveland is better than Boston as it is. Celtics have had a stellar off-season. They won't beat the Warriors but I think there is an argument for the Celtics being the #2 best team and not Cleveland (as of today).


I think BOS probably closed the gap some, sure, but CLE is still much better. CLE will have the best two players in a CLE-BOS matchup, including a top 5 player of all time.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13533109 elisha2014 said:
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I don't think adding Gordon Hayward puts Boston over CLE. The Celtics got destroyed by them in the ECF last year and Hayward does not help with their biggest need of all - defending LeBron or Kyrie.

I'd argue the Celtics are a worse matchup now having lost Avery Bradley who was the only guy on that team who could stay in front of Kyrie. Who guards him now? Isiah Thomas? No way.


They added Tatum, Hayward (bizarrely underrated by a segment of BBI), Morris, Baynes, Zizic, Ojeleye (he may be able to give Lebron a bit of trouble or at least slow him down a bit). Smart is a plus defender in regard to Kyrie. Jalen Brown year 2. Celtics on paper look locked and loaded.
Deej  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:46 am : link
sure, I have no problem "betting" on Lebron vs. the field. He's that good. But the Celtics potentially could be very good this season. We'll see how they mesh, how good rookie year Tatum is, if Zizic/Ojeleye add anything. On paper they are extremely deep.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:52 am : link
that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.
RE: Not  
nygiants16 : 7/20/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13533118 DanMetroMan said:
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that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.


if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....

Hayward is a good pickup  
Deej : 7/20/2017 9:56 am : link
I think Thomas takes a step back, and I think there is a material chance his hip bothers him all season. Is Horford in a decline, or was that just an adjustment season? Stevens era Celts to me a sum is greater than its parts ensemble, and they shipped out a big piece in Bradley.

Im not very high on the Celts. They were a 53 win team last season. No idea how that got them the #1 seed (would bave been tied for the 4-5-6 seed in the west). I still have them worse than Cleveland, and Houston for sure. SAS I hesitate to make a prediction on because of age/LMA issues, but they're always good and won 8 more games than Boston in a tougher conference. So I have BOS at #5 or worse. I have an eye on WAS as Wall and Beal continue to mature.
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:56 am : link
In comment 13533119 nygiants16 said:
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that beach muscles matter at all but I'm sort of surprised how little change there has been to KP's physique over the last year plus considering how often he's working out.



if you watch his workouts, he is working out trying to add lean muscle rather than bulking, look at kd, same thing....

But I don't even see a change in definition. Like I said it doesn't matter on the court but he keeps posting these videos and I'm not really seeing any change. I mean Patrick never really had jacked/cut arms either.
Celtics  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 9:58 am : link
just signed Shane Larkin for 1.5 million, not that he was mentioned on our PG radar but one less option.
KP  
Deej : 7/20/2017 9:58 am : link
I'd guess he's got one of those body types that makes it really hard to add extra mass. A guy I work with eats candy 8 hours a day and is skinny as a rail. It will be a struggle for him I think.
in this offseason's video clips of KP  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 9:59 am : link
I've seen a lot of development in his physique
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:00 am : link
The only recent import with stats similar to Doncic is Dario Saric, and he was 21 in his final season overseas. Doncic is 18, and he still has one more year in Spain before he’s draft eligible. When Saric was 18, he was still competing for junior teams and had played in only four Euroleague games. “For an 18-year-old to do what [Doncic] is doing in the second-best league in the world is remarkable,” said ESPN analyst Fran Fraschilla, who specializes in scouting international basketball. “He’s always one play ahead.” “I’ve been tracking him for years,” a statistical analyst for an NBA team told me. “My model has him as the second-best player in the world outside of the NBA. If I was running a team at the top of the draft, I’d be doing everything in my power to get him.” – via The Ringer
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13533127 Pep22 said:
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I've seen a lot of development in his physique


You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.
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nygiants16 : 7/20/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13533131 DanMetroMan said:
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I've seen a lot of development in his physique



You are in the minority. A big topic of debate on Knicks reddit is his training and why there haven't been gains and if there even need to be gains for him to be successful.


it looks like he still has baby fat, for all the cardio he is doing he should be more ripped, in my opinion...

could be what he is eating to, its almost like he is eating to bulk but not lifting enough to actually bulk
RE: If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
Ira : 7/20/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13533093 Chris684 said:
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?


Love has become a good defensive player and is a very good rebounder. He's also 4years younger. They'd be crazy to give up Love for Melo.
Pictures  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:05 am : link
from last week with Team Latvia.
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So  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:10 am : link
true

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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes
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djm : 7/20/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13533093 Chris684 said:
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?


I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.
KP  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 10:14 am : link
I don't question this kid's work ethic, competitiveness. Those things have been lacking from the team's supposed leader for a while now.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:17 am : link
not questioning KP at all. I'm merely stating in those photos (from last week) it's hard to really identify any change in his body from last off-season to this one. He clearly works hard and it's questionable how important "muscles" are. But if you click through that gallery he looks the same as he did at this point last year.
I wouldnt measure his progress by shots of his arms  
Deej : 7/20/2017 10:25 am : link
it's his ass and core that matter most. Legs too, but less so that ass and core strength.

KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.
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adamg : 7/20/2017 10:26 am : link
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes


What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13533150 Deej said:
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it's his ass and core that matter most. Legs too, but less so that ass and core strength.

KP has absolutely gotten thicker since the draft. Not sure about the last 12 months though.


He was listed at 235 on draft night, in his most recent workout video he says he's currently 238 so while I agree he's certainly thicker than his rookie year I don't see any notable change over the past year. He previously stated he thought 245 would be a good weight for him but that obviously hasn't happened yet. For comparisons sake Dirk is listed at 7'0 245, Pau 7'0 254, Willy 6'11 256
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DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:35 am : link
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Joseph Flynn‏Verified account @ChinaJoeFlynn 5m5 minutes ago
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When experts say "we still expect Melo to end up in Houston" they're really saying "we expect the Knicks to take Anderson's contract", yes



What would a deal look like where the Knicks take Anderson? Multiple picks?


Rockets are going to be very good for the near future so "multiple picks" still wouldn't be a great haul. 3 years of Ryan Anderson for picks praying that a team that at worst will have an MVP caliber player in his prime is a bad bet.
You be the judge..  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:40 am : link
I see the gains.




When he was with Latvia



five days ago



then give is more than 3 picks  
djm : 7/20/2017 10:40 am : link
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He's  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:42 am : link
19 years old in that Latvia picture c'mon. Click on the link I posted, it's from last week with over a dozen photos. Tell me he looks different than he did 1 year ago.
And here he is as a Knick  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:43 am : link
RE: RE: If I was Cleveland I would be thinking long and hard  
rich in DC : 7/20/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13533143 djm said:
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about finding a way to flip Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony.

Do people think a fit and motivated Melo is not more impactful on that team than Kevin Love?



I think a 2016 Melo is more impactful than Love.


I think that there is a possible combination- which would require other pieces for cap purposes (I will put up some examples to demonstrate) and include some picks- but could be viable for all 3 teams.

The basic framework would be something along the lines of:

The Knicks send Melo and KOQ to Cleveland.

The Cavs send Love to Portland. The Cavs send Frye to the Knicks.

The Blazers send Harkless, Davis and Vonleh to the Knicks, plus their 1st rounders in 2018 and 2020.

There might have to be a few more pieces, but in general, the numbers would work.

Portlan likely makes out the best- they would have a core Lillard, McCollum, Love and Nurkic- and have a lot of pieces.

Cleveland gets Melo plus a "dirty work" body inside, which is where they got hurt last year- and only give up guys who work away from the rim. Might allow LeBron to take days off and give Melo the job for a day.

The Knicks don't get a lot of talent back- but except for Harkless's $10M per for 3 years, don't take back much in salary- and at least get 2 future chips in picks.

It isn't exciting, but it probably works better on paper for the Knicks than any trade with the Rockets.
RE: You be the judge..  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13533164 Canton said:
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I see the gains.




When he was with Latvia



five days ago





Click through these and tell me you think he looks different than he did at any point last season not when he was a teenager.
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Dan the two pictures above are also from five days ago  
Canton : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
On his instagram.

I see marked improvement in his upper frame.
Who knows if he was really 235  
Deej : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
I see 230 a bunch of places. I think he needs to be 245-50 longer term. Not as thick as more interior guys, but you have to adjust for the fact that he's at least 2-3 inches taller than the guys you mentioned.

He'll get a little heavier each season just by nature.
to take on RAs contract  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 10:44 am : link
would require Capela and that is probably a deal breaker for HOU

If Capela isn't included, are young assets enough (choose from the following): Zhou Qi, Isiah Hartenstein, Troy Williams, Cam Oliver, 2019 1Rd, 2021 1Rd. Unlikely.
Melo for Ryan Anderson + Qi + some picks  
giants#1 : 7/20/2017 10:48 am : link
Someone will have interest in Anderson at the deadline (it's not like he's Noah), if not this year then next. Just move him for a deal with a little less money or fewer years remaining + a pick when the time comes.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 7/20/2017 10:55 am : link
be nervous with Qi. He apparently looked very over matched physically in summer league and his age is in question. I'd 100% take him but I think his case is being a bit overstated.
Deadspin: KP Has Produced The Only Relatable Athlete Workout Videos  
widmerseyebrow : 7/20/2017 10:59 am : link
Kind of funny. But it does seem a bit odd that two pro seasons in he's struggling with form and lifting very light still.
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Question is if Anthony makes other teams a top contender  
Elite Mobster #32 : 7/20/2017 11:02 am : link
Why not KNICKS ? No Trade Maybe we can put some guys together and do the same.
Anthony  
Pep22 : 7/20/2017 11:04 am : link
doesn't make a team a contender unless that team already has two top 10 players.
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