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NFT: What is the best and worst trade Cashman has made ?

Ron from Ninerland : 7/20/2017 3:29 pm
Worst Trade first:

I'm going to say the trade of Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver and later on for Kevin Brown was the worst. That cost the Yankees millions of dollars and possibly a couple of rings. The thinking was that Lilly had a strange motion to the plate and was going to have a short career. Weaver was supposed to be this great durable albeit expensive power pitcher. Instead Lilly had a 10+ year career. If we had Lilly instead of Weaver in the WS against the Marlins and Lilly instead of Brown in the ALCS against the Red Sox, those series may have turned out very different.

Best Trade:

May very well be the one he just made. In exchange for a questionable prospect, a terrible pitcher and two stiffs, we get one of the best and most durable closers in baseball and another very good relief pitcher. If Todd Frazier does anything at all, thats a cherry on top. Cashman seems to understand that you need a great bullpen to win a championship, a truth that seems to elude many other GM's. The only way this trade could have been better is if it were the Red Sox getting fucked over rather than the White Sox. I haven't felt this good about a Yankee trade since they shipped Danny Cater's corpse to the Red Sox for Sparky Lyle.
Tough to call it the best trade  
The Dude : 7/20/2017 3:32 pm : link
9 innings in..
yes this one is MUCH better than the Didi trade, which  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2017 3:46 pm : link
was universally panned and it only took 1 day to leap over that one AND the prospect hauls last year for Miller, Chapman and Beltran, the David Justice acquisition in 2000, Starlin Castro from the Cubs, Aroldis Chapman from the Reds, A-Roid in 2004, Bobby Abreu in 2005, Shawn Chacon in 2006. Stop me if I'm running on too long.

The best thing about that trade was getting Tyler Clobbered off the roster. To me, trading a top prospect like Rutherford to get another .210 hitter made no sense. The Fowler injury makes it that much riskier. I'd rather see them play Andujar at 3B.
I agree trading Ted Lilly was incredibly stupid.  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2017 3:49 pm : link
He had a very solid career. Took the ball every 5th day and gave 200 innings for a long time.
The Lilly for Weaver one was bad  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 3:54 pm : link
Another one which looked great at the time but backfired even more was Mike Lowell for Eddie Yarnall, Todd Noel, and Mark Johnson. Two of those guys never pitched in MLB, and the third was absolutely awful in his brief MLB career.

Best trade from a pure value standpoint? Hmmm...probably either Cone for Marty Janzen, Jason Jarvis, and Mike Gordon or Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit.
Justice trade was really really good.  
Mad Mike : 7/20/2017 3:57 pm : link
The way the Yankees faded down the stretch, he might have been the difference between even making the playoffs. Of course Glenallen Hill was a big pickup that helped a ton too.

The Swisher trade was very good too. Gave up very little, and got a very good player at exactly the right time in his career. He was a consistent disappointment in the post-season (except for that one series against Minn), but he was really big for us for a number of years.
His best trade is always his next trade  
DennyInDenville : 7/20/2017 3:57 pm : link
They get better and better
Acquiring Chapman  
bceagle05 : 7/20/2017 4:00 pm : link
for 10 cents on the dollar was a brilliant move, given how we re-routed him to Chicago a few months later for a nice haul.
Worst  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2017 4:00 pm : link
Mike Lowell.

Best: either trading Chapman last year (especially since he signed him back) or Soriano and ? for Arod (this should get extra credit because it kept Arod off the Red Sox)
Cashman usually wins his trades  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2017 4:04 pm : link
Didi, Swisher, Justice, A-Rod, Granderson, Abreu came to mind immediately. The way he handled the Chapman situation last year was just masterful. Turning Eric Jagielo and Rookie Davis into Gleyber Torres, that's impressive.

Worst trade might be his weakness for Javy Vazquez. Getting him twice was not great, to say the least. Giving up Nick Johnson and Melky.

Randy Johnson trade was pretty bad too, but he didn't lose anything too significant and that was probably more of a Steinbrenner trade anyway
RE: The Lilly for Weaver one was bad  
Enzo : 7/20/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13533736 Greg from LI said:
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Another one which looked great at the time but backfired even more was Mike Lowell for Eddie Yarnall, Todd Noel, and Mark Johnson. Two of those guys never pitched in MLB, and the third was absolutely awful in his brief MLB career.

Best trade from a pure value standpoint? Hmmm...probably either Cone for Marty Janzen, Jason Jarvis, and Mike Gordon or Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit.

that Cone trade was in 95...pre-Cash.
Really, the only truly bad trades he's made were Lilly and Lowell  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 4:06 pm : link
And maybe Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera for Javier Vazquez. He had other trades that didn't work out, but the guys they traded didn't do much either, so they weren't that damaging.
Montero for Pindeda was good too not best tho  
DennyInDenville : 7/20/2017 4:06 pm : link
Montero got sooooo fat and so bad.

Pineda didn't do much, but he was a cheap arm who provided some innings atleast
Worst  
bigbluehoya : 7/20/2017 4:07 pm : link
The one that introduced Chase Headley into my life.

bah  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 4:07 pm : link
It's hard to remember when he WASN'T the GM now. Bad goof by me.
the Lowell trade  
Enzo : 7/20/2017 4:07 pm : link
was pretty bad. Seems like they could have found a way to squeeze him onto the roster for a couple of years until Brosius was finally cooked. Or, if they had to trade him, use him as part of a package for a star (e.g. Unit) instead of just flipping him for unknowns.
The Yankees didn't keep Arod off the Red Sox. The MLBPA did.  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2017 4:08 pm : link
They wouldn't sanction Arod taking a pay cut, saying it violated the CBA and breached his guaranteed contract, and threatened a lawsuit. That killed the deal.
well, to be fair  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 4:12 pm : link
The Lowell trade was pretty well regarded at the time. Lowell was kind of overaged at that point (25 or 26 in AA, I think?) and Yarnall was pretty highly regarded - was the IL pitcher of the year in 1997. Todd Noel was a pretty good prospect too, threw high 90s when that wasn't as common as today. He got hurt, Yarnall sucked and went to Japan, and Lowell had a very solid career.
I can't blame him for the Nick Johnson deal.He was never healthy here,  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2017 4:13 pm : link
and he was never healthy after he left either. Only 3 years where he played more than 98 games post-NYY. With Giambi here he had nowhere to play anyway. And Vasquez gave them 1 decent year.
They're all  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2017 4:24 pm : link
20/20 now.

For example the Red Sox traded Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson for Mike Boddicker in 1988 at the deadline.

And it was viewed at the time (probably) as a steal for the Red Sox.

Boddicker was 30 and wound up with 2 and a half seasons for the Red Sox. One decent.

Schilling is a borderline HOF-er and Brady Anderson was a multiple all-star (tainted but so what).

I hated Lilly for Weaver from the get go, though  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 4:25 pm : link
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RE: I hated Lilly for Weaver from the get go, though  
Victor in CT : 7/20/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13533807 Greg from LI said:
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me too. I liked Lilly. He was steady and ate innings.
The Prado & Phelps for Eovaldi,Garrett Jones & Domingo German  
TheMick7 : 7/20/2017 4:39 pm : link
(unless German becomes a stud) wasn't one of his better ones as well!
Jose Contreras to the WS for Estaban Loiza  
TheMick7 : 7/20/2017 4:44 pm : link
helped the WS win the World Series!
Contreras pretty much sucked aside from 2005  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 4:48 pm : link
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Kerry Wood was a nice grab  
DennyInDenville : 7/20/2017 4:50 pm : link
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Weaver and that gutless coward  
bxgiants4 : 7/20/2017 4:52 pm : link
Javy Vasquez
OH man,  
Keith : 7/20/2017 4:54 pm : link
I forgot how much you hated Javy Lopez.
RE: Contreras pretty much sucked aside from 2005  
TheMick7 : 7/20/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13533840 Greg from LI said:
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But Loaiza always sucked In 2005, Contreras was 15-7 w/3.61 ERA & 3-1 in the post-season.
Loaiza was 21-9 2.90 the year before the Yankees acquired him  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2017 5:12 pm : link
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RE: Loaiza was 21-9 2.90 the year before the Yankees acquired him  
TheMick7 : 7/20/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13533883 Greg from LI said:
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And the next year was 9-5 until he was traded to the Yanks at the trade deadline,going 1-2 w/an 8.50 ERA for the Yankees into free agency. So,yeah the trade for Contreras sucked big time!
Best - that's easy  
mavric : 7/20/2017 5:32 pm : link
Traded Chapman for 2 months to the cubs for

Gleyber Torres, Billy McKinney, Adam Warren, and Rashad Crawford..........then picked Chapman back up in free agency
RE: Worst  
Justlurking : 7/20/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13533765 bigbluehoya said:
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The one that introduced Chase Headley into my life.


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Ted Lilly  
Dave in PA : 7/20/2017 5:52 pm : link
Gave up one of the longest YS home runs I've ever seen to Barry Bonds. Damn thing almost made it to the very top of the RF upper deck
RE: I hated Lilly for Weaver from the get go, though  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/20/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13533807 Greg from LI said:
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So did I. That looked like a bad trade from the get go. Lilly took the ball every 5 days and more often than not gave you a credible performance. He was also cheap, under team control for years. Weaver pitched for a shit team, had a rich contract and gave no indication that he could handle New York. He couldn't.
RE: Ted Lilly  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/20/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13533930 Dave in PA said:
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Gave up one of the longest YS home runs I've ever seen to Barry Bonds. Damn thing almost made it to the very top of the RF upper deck
Jeff Weaver gave up the winning run in the clinching game of the World Series. I'll take the guy who serves up the occasional gopher ball to the one that wets his pants every time there's pressure.
Heard Cashman  
brunswick : 7/20/2017 6:17 pm : link
On the FAN today. He is so impressive. Everyone makes some bad deals but he wins more than his share. I think he is the best in the business
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RasputinPrime : 7/20/2017 7:45 pm : link
worst - Lowell
best - Swisher with Chapman trade having the potential to surpass it.
RE: Ted Lilly  
Justlurking : 7/21/2017 7:59 am : link
In comment 13533930 Dave in PA said:
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Gave up one of the longest YS home runs I've ever seen to Barry Bonds. Damn thing almost made it to the very top of the RF upper deck


Was there. Furthest homer I ever saw at the old stadium.

But that was the thing about Lilly. He was never scared to pitch to guys and always challenged hitters. Weaver was a joke.
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