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And even though my initial point wasn't about Beckham I'll respond about Beckham: what if he'd been hurt working out on his own? It seems to me that would have been just as if not more likely than had he been with the Giants. Besides if that's how you feel, then why should any of the veterans show up? Why should Eli Manning, or Damon Harrison, or Janoris Jenkins show up? Why should Landon Collins or DRC? What about JPP? They were all every bit as good as Beckham and Vernon in 2016...why did they attend OTAs? After all, they didn't need them.

DRC missed at least the beginning of OTA's last year - it's so insignificant that I honestly don't even remember if he ever showed up or when he showed up.

The result? He was a key cog in one of the best defenses in football.

Pretty sure it made zero difference.

In comment 13534027 Go Terps said:

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I do see the difference, and the difference is that the young players could potentially benefit quite a bit by being around the elite veterans. In a promising offseason where this team might have a chance at doing something good in 2017, I would think that someone completely committed to being a part of that would jump at the opportunity to help in any way he can. Again, Eli Manning has accomplished more than Beckham and Vernon combined and multiplied by ten...why is he at OTA's?

Because Eli Manning is the QB and needs to establish a rapport with guys like Engram, Marshall, et al.

He already has that with Beckham.

Again, you're comparing completely different situations and trying to draw them up as equals when they aren't.

QB's don't skip OTA's. When was the last time a QB didn't attend OTA's?

I get your point about showing up but you are making too much of nothing. Was Strahan not a leader when he didn't show up to training camp when it was mandatory? We did win a Super Bowl that year.

Also, not everybody is a leader so they shouldn't be judged like that. Vernon works his ass off and when it is time to be here he puts in extra work before and after practice AFTER he got paid. He and JPP set the tone for our defense that got others on board.

You also pass judgments based on information that is written. Not everything these players do is in print. There is way more that goes on that we don't hear about. The number one thing you can use for a resource is how the players feel about each other and work together and there has never been anything to doubt either player based on that. They have 100% support drom thwir teammates. So, I think their teammates' opinions hold way more weight than your idealistic views of who they should be, what they should do, and how they should act.

And, yes, you brought up Beckham when nobody else did and called a bunch of people hypocrites. The funny thing is that you are the hypocrite. You never give him credit. You just continually beat him down because you don't agree with the things he does but never give him credit when credit is due. You bring him up ALL THE TIME when others really don't give a shit. You make it a big deal and others try to point out it isn't a big deal.

You have turned into such a troll on this site. You are like a caricature of yourself. I used to love reading your posts. Yes, you had a very contrarian viewpoint on a lot of topics and you always made valid arguments even if I didn't agree with it. Your obsession, yes obsession, is just insane. Give it a rest.

OK then what about Harrison? He was the best player on the team in 2016. Why was he there? What about all the other non-QBs that had good seasons? Why did they go?

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Let me understand something...you make this inane point:

"You also pass judgments based on information that is written."

...and then you link a written article.

I learn that it's about Beckham and Engram having lunch.

Wow.

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Let me understand something...you make this inane point: "You also pass judgments based on information that is written." ...and then you link a written article.

I am not passing judgment. I giving you evidence that counteracts your statements. I am not the one that is saying it is good or bad. I am saying Beckham not showing up for mandatory stuff is inconsequential whereas you are all up his ass over it. So, if you are going to criticise Beckham for some of the negative stuff and call us hypocrites then you need ro own up to the positive stuff too. You cannot have it both ways like you think we are doing. Do you get it now?

Their absence means next to nothing to anyone on the team and a very large majority of its fans. But you.

I mean c'mon man...

About two guys who met at the Senior Bowl, became friends as well as teammates, got drafted by the same pro team, and are now enjoying their offseason together, working out, hanging out, before training camp begins in another week.

Yet, somehow Terps has to make it about Beckham and Vernon not attending OTAs.

Unbelievable.

You are criticising Beckham because it is important to be around the young kids so that is why I put that article. He doesn't need to be in Jersey to do that. Unreal.

In comment 13534032 Go Terps said:

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OK then what about Harrison? He was the best player on the team in 2016. Why was he there? What about all the other non-QBs that had good seasons? Why did they go?

Because they decided to.

It's really as simple as that.

Damon Harrison said himself that he had absolutely no issue with Odell or Vernon not being there. Certain players simply prefer to train and work on their own or with their own guys if given the choice. It doesn't mean they're bad teammates or don't care about the team.

You are massively reaching to try and make it like Beckham and Vernon should be there mentoring young players or that all of this "groundwork" is laid in OTA's. That's what position coaches are for. There's nothing that can only occur in OTA's but not in training camp when it comes to this.

And this idea that Beckham is only about Beckham is really just your own silly narrative that holds little weight. If you don't recall, he had Shepard under his wing throughout all of camp last year and took a legitimate interest in his development and I'm sure he's going to do the same thing this year.

Beckham is still looking for that large pay day. This isn't even apples to apples, it's apples to jackfruit.

In comment 13534064 David in LA said:

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Beckham is still looking for that large pay day. This isn't even apples to apples, it's apples to jackfruit.

What about Vernon? His contract dwarfs Harrison's.

Let's be honest, Vernon didn't get a fraction of the heat OBJ did for missing the OTA's. Kelvin Benjamin showed up to OTA's, but he looked like he was trying out at Guard. As long as it doesn't get to that point or guys get hurt, not a big issue IMO.

In comment 13533824 Klaatu said:

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Would be a hell of a story if Webb did indeed become Eli's successor and he and Engram went on to do great things together for Big Blue.

From your keyboard to the football gods' ears! Man, that would be pretty sweet!

Beckham showed up - in shape, on time, and made a diving TD catch the first day he had to be here

Get over it already.

In comment 13533916 Doomster said:

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backup qb the New York Football Giants ever developed, to become a successful starting qb?

Lol, how bout you take a deep breath & give us all a break.

miss anything mandatory? Or really really really important? Didn't they show up for the mandatory crap?

You're weird on this one terps. You hate certain players based solely on the money they make or will make and that player's personality or aura. It's a shame the money side of sports has soiled the perception or expectations of so many fans.

I remember the days of LT sleeping through meetings and most nyg fans found (find) it amusing. Now Beckham misses some voluntary flag football practice session in MAY and fans get the vapors. Vernon too. Because Vernon has a lot of explaining to do based on last year's effort? He played most of the season with a shattered hand. Played damn well too. He's garbage. He makes too much money i guess.

At least Beckham is the best wr in football or top three at the least. Could be worse. For all you fans struggling to watch Beckham in nyg blue try all I can say is the guy is a lightning bolt of talent who really really really wants to win. What's not to like...

and we're gonna assume it wasn't at Christmas and it wasn't at Easter. It probably wasn't on a sunday either, or during confessions or during a famine or plague.
So they'd take their free time and retreat to a cloister or someplace with stones for wallboard, lanterns for bulbs and a hole over the moat for a bathroom.
" Father Tuck, Pray tell How many angels do you think can fit on the tip of that pin"?
Father Tuck ..."what pin, oh that pin, Id say about 25 maybe 26 in winter".
"Sir, you are wrong, a pin like that should hold not less than 42 angels"......
"Wrong, you don't know a damn thing about angels and pins".....Excuse me for the profanity but you get me soooo mad."

to win starting jobs this year...

I love what I'm hearing about these 2 guys.

LOL BBI. Not only did you derail this thread, but some of you are worried about our TE "hitting the wall" because he is running a few routs and trying to learn the playbook with his fellow teammate on their own. You guys are funny.

There is no downside of this at all.

it's pretty clear that for Webb and probably Engram, if these guys don't pan out, it won't be for lack of effort.

I hope it's annoying as F for the dorks who pile on OBJ when he's streaking down the field. Like watching an ex-girlfriend get hotter, marry a cooler richer dude, and take all your friends annoying.

Nice write up. I am pulling for both Engram and Webb
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to win starting jobs this year...


make it stop!

I'm hoping we just go with Webb as the so,e backup. Eli goes down, throw him into the fire, let him take his lumps..Johnson and Smith are certainly NOT taking us anywhere..Save that roster spot

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In comment 13534331 ZogZerg said:

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I love what I'm hearing about these 2 guys. LOL BBI. Not only did you derail this thread, but some of you are worried about our TE "hitting the wall" because he is running a few routs and trying to learn the playbook with his fellow teammate on their own. You guys are funny. There is no downside of this at all.

It's not a matter of him getting his the physical rest but the mental as well. Again, Webb I'm not worried about... this isn't really even a huge deal to me for Engram to be honest... but I recently read a short article from a rookie who said that he didn't believe in the 'rookie wall'... until he suddenly started feeling fatigued, physically and mentally, around Week 12 of last season. Some players don't experience it, some do. But I wouldn't have any issue if Webb and Engram (in particular Engram) took off during this time and let his body and brain get ready for what will be a very trying year for him.

I don't see why this is such a far-fetched idea nor why is it something that really needs to be argued over. These guys aren't machines and while it's nice to hear about their dedication, they (again, really just talking about Engram here) may be hurting themselves in the long run. Hopefully I'm wrong... and if I am I'll be very happy to be wrong... but I see nothing wrong to suggest that they take a bit of a break. They deserve it.

BUT WHAT IF ENGRAM GETS TIRED ?!?!?

I'm sorry, it really just blows my mind when people see something that I can only conceive as a "positive" - and yet somehow BBI finds a way.

and if you're still crying about Odell's voluntary OTAs ... find a new team to root for.

and need to rest more??

How much brain power do you think he is actually using? Get Real!
The Rookie wall has to do with the riggers of Training camp, games, and weekly practice, etc.

Stop acting like these are little kids who can't handle a little homework.

In comment 13533954 T-Bone said:

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I'd kind of like Engram to rest his body a bit. Webb is cool because (ideally) he shouldn't see the field this season. But Engram has played a whole college season... trained for the combine and draft... had a mini-camp and will be participating in his first training camp and rookie season in a few weeks. That's a lot of working out and he's being expected to be a pretty big contributor for the upcoming season. He knows his body best and maybe I'm worrying over nothing, but the body needs rest and his is not getting a lot of it. I just don't want him to hit that 'rookie wall' late in the season... or worse, earlier in the season than usual because he's been working out non-stop since last summer. But I can't lie... it's nice to read stories like this.

Not sure that you aren't being a little bit too nervous about Engram. He's a WR/TE. He's not banging around. Running patterns is going to be huge in the NFL. As long as he rests approroately this isn't a worry for me.

This team should have a legit shot at making serious noise this year w kids like this along w the insane D the Giants field

in the passing game.

And I have no idea if Webb can play at this level but if he cannot it will not be for lack of work ethic. He's impressive in that regard.

Ok... not that big a deal guys.

You guys don't feel he needs the rest... ok. I don't think it would hurt if he does get a little rest. Relax. It's no big deal.

And I never had an issue with OBJ missing OTAs annex. Take a breath man. You guys are really overreacting to a simple opinion.

Wow... you guys are like sharks! LMAO!

There's so much science that rest is among if not the most important factor in preventing injury.

With fewer practice and on-field hours now, it's probably not a huge deal to get some burn on the field. But being fresh physically for the beginning of team activities is a huge plus.

The best part in this is the mental reps and boning up the playbook for 2 guys who critically need that to contribute this year.

Back off my boy T-Bone!

Jeez. Let the guy live.

I think you need a rest buddy. Take a seat!

In comment 13534604 christian said:

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There's so much science that rest is among if not the most important factor in preventing injury. With fewer practice and on-field hours now, it's probably not a huge deal to get some burn on the field. But being fresh physically for the beginning of team activities is a huge plus. The best part in this is the mental reps and boning up the playbook for 2 guys who critically need that to contribute this year.

christian, that's all I'm saying and I agree with you that with less on field practice time this is probably not a big deal. I agree with that. I'm just saying that if I were to give them advice it would be that they would chill out a little bit before the grind of training camp and the season starts. That's all. If they don't feel they need it... more power to them.

I'm fine with being completely wrong about this. Time will tell. But to come at me as if suggesting a little rest is 'way off base'... or the worst idea that's ever been posted on this board... or make it look like I'm looking for the slightest thing to complain about... that's overreacting a litle bit. I don't think the saying a little rest wouldn't hurt is such an outlandish statement.

I'm enjoying reading about them putting in the extra work just as much as everyone else... it's nice to read. But if they were my kid, I might just suggest that they may want to rest their bodies a bit before training camp comes up and if they take the advice cool... if not, also cool.

but when I was that age, I played bball all day every single day. 5 hours per day and I never got tired. The rest is needed if there is physical contact. If they were in pads and banging into other guys, I think you'd have a point. These guys are just running routes and throwing balls, they don't need rest at that age.

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Back off my boy T-Bone! Jeez. Let the guy live.

No! Burn him!

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but when I was that age, I played bball all day every single day. 5 hours per day and I never got tired. The rest is needed if there is physical contact. If they were in pads and banging into other guys, I think you'd have a point. These guys are just running routes and throwing balls, they don't need rest at that age.

I hear you Keith... and again, you may be right. I'm really not arguing with you or anyone else about this because 1) you may be right and 2) it won't be proven until late in the season if it happens at all.

But... and again, I'm talking more about TE than the QB here... unlike Engram, you didn't play a full college football season blocking guys 50 lbs heavier than you...immediately start training to participate in the most important interview you may ever have in your life and putting your body in top condition for it... participating in said interview... then training for pro days... participating in said pro days... going to mini-camps and then shortly after that you have training camp and the regular season (and hopefully post season).

You played basketball. A lot of basketball... but basketball. Not even pro. And you probably were as that as you are in FF... which is not good (yes, trash talk season has began!). Not really the same thing playa.

But again... I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to really argue about this. There's no point. Again, I do like reading and am enjoying hearing about the extra work they're putting in. I just would suggest they take off a few weeks. Again, would be happy to be wrong and the extra work pays off and they're both (in particular Engram) fine throughout the season.

Are you calling out my game? That's a dangerous move there pal.

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Are you calling out my game? That's a dangerous move there pal.

I'm just sayin... you FF skills are butt.

In comment 13534592 T-Bone said:

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Ok... not that big a deal guys. You guys don't feel he needs the rest... ok. I don't think it would hurt if he does get a little rest. Relax. It's no big deal. And I never had an issue with OBJ missing OTAs annex. Take a breath man. You guys are really overreacting to a simple opinion.

that wasn't directed towards you ... and I'm quite relaxed - working from home, done for a nice 3 day weekend.

engram is running routes, staying in shape, and getting on the same page with a QB who could be Eli's successor ... these are nothing but positive reports.

that terps gushes over international soccer but can't wait to blast an NFL player over more often than not, inconsequential optics.

In comment 13534687 annexOPR said:

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In comment 13534592 T-Bone said: Quote: Ok... not that big a deal guys. You guys don't feel he needs the rest... ok. I don't think it would hurt if he does get a little rest. Relax. It's no big deal. And I never had an issue with OBJ missing OTAs annex. Take a breath man. You guys are really overreacting to a simple opinion. that wasn't directed towards you ... and I'm quite relaxed - working from home, done for a nice 3 day weekend. engram is running routes, staying in shape, and getting on the same page with a QB who could be Eli's successor ... these are nothing but positive reports.

I agree. I'm not trying to put a negative spin on this. It may appear that I am but I'm not. I'm just saying that if I were to give them some advice, it'd be to rest a little. That's all. I don't see why this has to be an argument.... or even a disagreement... particularly when I've repeatedly said that I agree with you guys... that it's nice to read this kind of dedication from the future of this franchise.

but this is exactly what should want to hear about your rookie QB and new offensive "weapon".

imagine this place if Engram was instead "poppin bottles" in south beach on Instagram or something ... I prefer him lifting weights, running routes, and learning the offense with his potential new QB. I'm also pretty sure the team trainers/ doctors [the people who actually have to worry about this] are monitoring their workloads.

happy Friday!

In comment 13534713 annexOPR said:

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but this is exactly what should want to hear about your rookie QB and new offensive "weapon". imagine this place if Engram was instead "poppin bottles" in south beach on Instagram or something ... I prefer him lifting weights, running routes, and learning the offense with his potential new QB. I'm also pretty sure the team trainers/ doctors [the people who actually have to worry about this] are monitoring their workloads. happy Friday!

Ok.

Happy Friday to you too!

First of all, great article. This is crazy -

"To help familiarize himself with the calls, Webb has invited some of his fellow rookies, including sixth-round pick Adam Bisnowaty and fourth-round pick Wayne Gallman, to his apartment to read him plays. Webb turns his back to them and tries to visualize it."

- in a good way.

Second - amazing how debates go on BBI!