I've mentioned the concept of tribalism in the previous thread and in this one. I never thought of it until recently about how we align ourselves to groups we feel are our "tribes," but it's human nature to do so. I just feel that it's become more pronounced lately.
I've noticed it in politics with people aligning themselves so sternly with their own party views to the detriment of having openminds. But more personally, I've seen it for years (just never gave it more thought) in the military how our veterans and active service members continue to insulate themselves away from their civilian counterparts. While tribalism can be helpful in helping those with PTSD and other post-military issues (as succinctly stated in Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe) by giving them the ability to continually feel a sense of belonging, it often makes many veterans and active duty service members believe that they are breed apart from the society as a whole.
Since it is human nature to seek out tribes that they feel comfortable with, I doubt it's going to get better, especiall in these politically charged days.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I think the problem is how the site is constructed/laid out. I participate in a few forums and this is the only one where every thread on every topic funnels into the same place/screen. The only way to sort at all is hide the non football threads.
So, I am in forums that have various categories to choose from at the top and where eventually you can find an area for political threads keeping all of those toxic discussions isolated. That being said, even there those people in the other forums get heated on political threads, but nothing like we see here.
This is Eric's web site but I believe we are due for a face lift to make it even better and those changes could result in the ability to have some political discussions allowing people to not even go into the area where they would even read the thread title.
Over this false idea that McCain is an unquestioned man of integrity and honor
He is being bludgeoned by that point
My point is that it is not a fact but disputable
A fellow Senator from his own party called him a "war monger" and I certainly don't remember Democrats and the media being so kind to McCain from the moment he won the Republican nomination and up until the precise moment he lost.
John McCain received a terrible diagnosis and as a human being I have sympathy and empathy for him and his family. I hope he gets well soon. I hope he has the integrity to resign his office when and if he becomes unable to fulfill its duties
But we don't have have to canonize him.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
I think McCain is an even bigger American hero now. God bless him
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
is pure gold, like the gaudy midtown manhattan tower bearing the family name of mr. capybara-toupee and his son with the Gordon Gecko copyright infringing hairstyle.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I'm sorry for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
I think pretty much everyone has that one (hopefully not many more than that) thing that they insist is real. Even at the same time they are ridiculing somebody else's weird thing.
We've had real debates here about vaccinations, including the flu vaccine. So it's not like the anti-vacc'ers are only somewhere on loon island. We've talked recently about the "chronic Lyme" folks. Obviously there are various crimes and scandals by politicians where we line up on one side or another regarding the truth or myth of the matter.
I know more than one really otherwise smart and educated person who still has to feng shui the shit out of their house or go gluten-free without accompanying celiac disease.
In the context of BBI, I have no problem with anyone's political
point of view. I'm here to talk sports and have a laugh.
I don't like a politically biased approach to thread deletions and bannings, though. And I'm afraid that Eric and other mods have let that come to pass, with BBI being the worse for it.
So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Unless someone spends 24 hours a day refreshing BBI, hard to keep track of why certain threads get deleted or why some posters get banned.
If the thread gets out of control, what's the harm from just locking that thread instead of deleting it? That way BBIers who log in later on in the day and see why a post has been locked or why a person has been banned.
about 1-2 months ago, I started a thread about how when visiting Washington DC, the Turkish president ordered his security detail to attack peaceful demonstrators.
I check back into BBI a few hours later and that thread was deleted. No way for me to know "WHY" it was deleted. Unable to read any comments or figure out what type of discussion got out of control for it to be deleted altogether.
If Eric or the MODs, just locked that thread (or any other political threads) that they feel have spiraled out of control, I think it would serve the community better to find out what actions caused them to do that.
So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
This. I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here. People are entitled to their opinion of the man, but part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second, and knowing when the timing of a comment is inappropriate. Honestly, I've had a low opinion of Eric since #44 got elected. He made some shitty comments that revealed exactly who he is.
I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here.
Like you just did towards "Spicey"? Not a hero like McCain, but had a thankless job with most of the world after his balls and he's not under investigation.
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
RE: Here we go with the lame attempts at equivalence
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
I agree...big difference between resigning and being diagnosed with cancer. And honestly, anyone who even compares Spicey to McCain really needs to look at that comparison again.
between someone resigning and being diagnosed with terminal illness is just ridiculous to the point that it makes my head want to explode. It really shouldn't be that too difficult, or am I taking crazy pills?
The only people I go at for the most part are Giant24, Madcow, and Mike in Marin. Have I ever pissed on someone's grave or made a comment off the heels of news of terminal illness? Until then, take your angry short guy shtick somewhere else.
Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
It's not their fault. Their minds are addled from all the vaccinations they got in childhood.
Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
I've mentioned the concept of tribalism in the previous thread and in this one. I never thought of it until recently about how we align ourselves to groups we feel are our "tribes," but it's human nature to do so. I just feel that it's become more pronounced lately.
I've noticed it in politics with people aligning themselves so sternly with their own party views to the detriment of having openminds. But more personally, I've seen it for years (just never gave it more thought) in the military how our veterans and active service members continue to insulate themselves away from their civilian counterparts. While tribalism can be helpful in helping those with PTSD and other post-military issues (as succinctly stated in Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe) by giving them the ability to continually feel a sense of belonging, it often makes many veterans and active duty service members believe that they are breed apart from the society as a whole.
Since it is human nature to seek out tribes that they feel comfortable with, I doubt it's going to get better, especiall in these politically charged days.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
WideRight : 9:10 am : link : reply
They been conditioned by their peers.
"Most" would indicate that the majority of children believe the moon landing was faked.
That's not even close to being the truth, so why present it as if it is?
So in other words, "I'm sorry, but ahh who the fuck am I kidding, I'm not" sums this thread up nicely.
Yup.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I think the problem is how the site is constructed/laid out. I participate in a few forums and this is the only one where every thread on every topic funnels into the same place/screen. The only way to sort at all is hide the non football threads.
So, I am in forums that have various categories to choose from at the top and where eventually you can find an area for political threads keeping all of those toxic discussions isolated. That being said, even there those people in the other forums get heated on political threads, but nothing like we see here.
This is Eric's web site but I believe we are due for a face lift to make it even better and those changes could result in the ability to have some political discussions allowing people to not even go into the area where they would even read the thread title.
McCain was involved in meeting foreign agents, leaking Intelligence information and paying former spies to influence an election.
In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:
He is being bludgeoned by that point
My point is that it is not a fact but disputable
A fellow Senator from his own party called him a "war monger" and I certainly don't remember Democrats and the media being so kind to McCain from the moment he won the Republican nomination and up until the precise moment he lost.
John McCain received a terrible diagnosis and as a human being I have sympathy and empathy for him and his family. I hope he gets well soon. I hope he has the integrity to resign his office when and if he becomes unable to fulfill its duties
But we don't have have to canonize him.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
I think McCain is an even bigger American hero now. God bless him
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
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In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
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In comment 13534474 Deej said:
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In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
... Let's.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Fixed.
We've had real debates here about vaccinations, including the flu vaccine. So it's not like the anti-vacc'ers are only somewhere on loon island. We've talked recently about the "chronic Lyme" folks. Obviously there are various crimes and scandals by politicians where we line up on one side or another regarding the truth or myth of the matter.
I don't like a politically biased approach to thread deletions and bannings, though. And I'm afraid that Eric and other mods have let that come to pass, with BBI being the worse for it.
Onwards and upwards.
We're seeing it here.
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Is the subject peeing on someone, or getting peed on?
the latter, by Moscow's finest ladies of the night (rumor has it they were also on the Ole Miss coach's phone contacts)
Wow
I couldn't do that. It would make my hair turn orange.
We're seeing it here.
Give me a break. He's drunk!
As soon as something happens, you make them out to be saints.
He spends his life in a nightgown!
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
If the thread gets out of control, what's the harm from just locking that thread instead of deleting it? That way BBIers who log in later on in the day and see why a post has been locked or why a person has been banned.
I check back into BBI a few hours later and that thread was deleted. No way for me to know "WHY" it was deleted. Unable to read any comments or figure out what type of discussion got out of control for it to be deleted altogether.
If Eric or the MODs, just locked that thread (or any other political threads) that they feel have spiraled out of control, I think it would serve the community better to find out what actions caused them to do that.
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Don't worry about it GoldenShower.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Spicey's looking for a job.
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Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
This. I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here. People are entitled to their opinion of the man, but part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second, and knowing when the timing of a comment is inappropriate. Honestly, I've had a low opinion of Eric since #44 got elected. He made some shitty comments that revealed exactly who he is.
I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here.
Like you just did towards "Spicey"? Not a hero like McCain, but had a thankless job with most of the world after his balls and he's not under investigation.
How dare you!!!
Spicey = McCain
McCain = Spicey
I agree...big difference between resigning and being diagnosed with cancer. And honestly, anyone who even compares Spicey to McCain really needs to look at that comparison again.
Woof.
Woof.
Alex Jones will be getting the job soon enough.
Oh, now see that is just too funny.