Eric, is that a consistently applied standard or an absolute one?
Here is why I ask:
I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.
But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.
I never met him.
But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.
I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.
I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.
I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.
I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit
I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.
I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:
1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.
2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
I don't understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
JerrysKids,
If lack of Political Threads keeps you away from BBI -- why do you come here?
The fact is that this is a NY Giants football fan site, not a political discussion site, and political discussions here cause folks to have a lot of bad feelings and creates huge animosities that we can't afford to allow here. We strive for harmonious discourse.
I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
take care
Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?
I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
take care
Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?
Eric, is that a consistently applied standard or an absolute one?
Here is why I ask:
I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.
But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.
I never met him.
But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.
I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.
I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.
I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.
I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit
I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.
I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:
1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.
2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
I support you on sticking to the no politics rule. This is a football site and who would trust anyone's political opinion anyway on a site devoted to a game in which large men beat the crap out of each other and throw an oddly-shaped ball, with these men killing each other around when they turn 40.
I support you on sticking to the no politics rule. This is a football site and who would trust anyone's political opinion anyway on a site devoted to a game in which large men beat the crap out of each other and throw an oddly-shaped ball, with these men killing each other around when they turn 40.
The bottom line is white people have spoken and they don't like Kaep
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He deserves his fate because white people are the arbiters of what is right and wrong in American society. That's because we have been here the longest - please don't make it about race.
is a survivor/hero and though I do not agree with all of his various political positions, I have a lot of respect for both what he went through and his willingness to speak his mind in a blunt manner.
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
I rarely visit another Giants-related site anymore mainly because of the toxic political discourse. You aren't costing yourself traffic, it's a net positive, I think. Because if this site did get overly political, I and probably others would peace out. I actually like politics and like political debate, too. But just not here.
is a survivor/hero and though I do not agree with all of his various political positions, I have a lot of respect for both what he went through and his willingness to speak his mind in a blunt manner.
Agree 100%. I basically agree with nothing that McCain ever said, but I respect the man for his service to this country both militarily and politically.
And even if I hate his positions, he's not an evil man. He's going through a serious disease right now. He deserves all of our prayers and thoughts.
Additionally, we need to eradicate this world of all diseases now.
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
But not everyone acts like adults on those threads. That's the point.
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
First of all, I'm quite confident that not everyone here are all adults. Secondly, there are a million other forums and websites that allow political discussion. This is one place that strives to be politics-free, and personally, I appreciate that. Why do you feel the need to talk about politics on an NFL message forum?
Eric and gidiefor have explained the reasons, and they are valid ones. There are people here right now that probably need the ban hammer because they are illustrating exactly why this site shouldn't be a place for politics.
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.
The thing is... this very thread kind of proves my point. Some folks nowadays deal with left/right, liberal/conservative bullshit (which is exactly what it is) that it appears some have forgotten how to be decent to one another. It's sad and stuff you'd expect from a child.
I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .
McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.
Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
The current political ban has only been in place since 2015.
We had a few temporary bans in the previous decade. We tried to allow political posts again, but things started getting really ugly well before mid-2015.
I rarely post in NFT's anymore and haven't for some time (other than maybe a movie thread).
I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .
McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.
Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
I dont agree with his politics either. But unless you can assign bad intent on him then what you wrote seems pointless.
He seems to speak from conviction. Though I virtually always disagree with him I cant assign bad intent. That being the case combined with the fact he is a war hero, underlies that there is no room for a thread on him getting cancer to mock it.
Listen, Eli and Peyton manning have done some bad stuff and nobody here seems to care. Nobody is pure. Not you or I so leave it off a brain cancer thread IMO.
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
You are wrong. People on the thread were uniformly saying I dont agree with him and even I still think hes a great hero. They were pointing out they dont agree with him merely to show their respect for his service by emphasizing that despite disagreemenrs hes a great American. So your conclusion is directly the opposite of what was going on.
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.
Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.
Unfortunately BBI isn't the only place people look for reason to show their asses...errr... I mean political affiliations.
It didn't take long until passive aggressive potshots were made against certain politicians, which may as well be a dog whistle for further political discourse.
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
You made it ultra-polarized with your radical right comment re: McCain. When the owner of the site makes the comments you made every radical clown is going to come out from hiding and follow suit.
I read the initial thread but didn't comment. Pretty ridiculous that there's a no political thread mandate on the site but then the owner of the site chimes in with a few absurd political comments.
This was exactly my issue when the OP on the deleted thread qualified his well wishes for Senator McCain by identifying his political philosophy. I knew this was exactly where we were headed. People on both sides of the political aisle just can't help themselves. Here we are in the the thread discussing why the other thread got deleted and we're headed for a second deletion on the same subject.
right as the thread got deleted. You did not say that you disagreed with his politics. You questioned his honor and integrity. For that, I was basically blasting you in my reply.
You do not have to agree with his politics to admit that the guy has honor and integrity. Even his political opponents would disagree with you. In fact, you actually chose the LAST person in politics to accuse of lacking honor and integrity.
I think you will agree that I have NEVER in all of my years on BBI questioned anything you have ever said, called you out, etc. However, today you may have made the "stupid post" hall of fame. I suppose we all get one of those once in a while.
There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt in an online forum thread
There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.
Don't you think the timing of your comment is a tad bit inappropriate and lacks class? Seems like your apology is just a half assed one to save face.
I didn't realize "yikes" was that powerful of a word. My apologies.
Be honest with yourself. You said more than that. You took a very radical position vs a guy who's been a very solid moderate republican and public servant for his entire political career.
It was an absurd position to take and discredits the non-political mandate on the site. Looks like to me as long as you're a Trump nut swinger you're fine.
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
That's rich coming from a clown, who can rationalize just about every incidents of innocent civilians being killed by the police. Seriously, get the fuck out of here with your hypocritical bullshit.
I don't agree with his politics or ethics. But I don't wish him any ill will. My "yikes" comment was in response to someone who made him sound like saint. I disagree.
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
And there are times I thought McCain was all talk and no walk. More or less a pandering politician who plays the crowd. With that said you don't take away from McCain the fact that this is a man who sacrificed a ton for this country and his fellow service men.
You can disagree with someone without taking away the integrity of what they have done throughout their life
of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.
The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.
John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.
The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.
I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.
The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.
John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.
The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.
I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
And the Paul Ryan's, tea party clowns, and other radical right donks that primary out conservatives are seriously attacking the debt? Get a grip.
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
I can't answer that until Beez makes his final determination :-)
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
Limiting my involvement with BBI over the last year or so. Eric created something amazing here at BBI. It was more than simply a website about football. It was a COMMUNITY. It was a place where you could go and learn things beyond football, people with all kinds of experience would share their expertise, we would have heated debates but they were exciting and informed. But the most important thing was that I was introduced to some really great people who I felt a bond with. People I cared about and people who brought joy and happiness into my life. BBI has steadily been losing something over the last few years. The conversation has become more sterile and the people less interesting. Now it's just another website.
There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.
I will leave it at that. No reason to beat this to death. You made a comment, I disagreed and gave my thoughts in just ONE reply. No big deal.
and you need to take a good, long hard look in the mirror when you find yourself taking that stance about a sick, older man who did a ton to serve his country.
And that's from a guy who disagreed with a lot of McCain's stances and principles. It shouldn't be hard to do if you're the least bit impartial. People need to stop running around with politics like they're rooting for a football team. He was a veteran and a senator, not a linebacker for the Eagles.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
I've mentioned the concept of tribalism in the previous thread and in this one. I never thought of it until recently about how we align ourselves to groups we feel are our "tribes," but it's human nature to do so. I just feel that it's become more pronounced lately.
I've noticed it in politics with people aligning themselves so sternly with their own party views to the detriment of having openminds. But more personally, I've seen it for years (just never gave it more thought) in the military how our veterans and active service members continue to insulate themselves away from their civilian counterparts. While tribalism can be helpful in helping those with PTSD and other post-military issues (as succinctly stated in Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe) by giving them the ability to continually feel a sense of belonging, it often makes many veterans and active duty service members believe that they are breed apart from the society as a whole.
Since it is human nature to seek out tribes that they feel comfortable with, I doubt it's going to get better, especiall in these politically charged days.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I think the problem is how the site is constructed/laid out. I participate in a few forums and this is the only one where every thread on every topic funnels into the same place/screen. The only way to sort at all is hide the non football threads.
So, I am in forums that have various categories to choose from at the top and where eventually you can find an area for political threads keeping all of those toxic discussions isolated. That being said, even there those people in the other forums get heated on political threads, but nothing like we see here.
This is Eric's web site but I believe we are due for a face lift to make it even better and those changes could result in the ability to have some political discussions allowing people to not even go into the area where they would even read the thread title.
Over this false idea that McCain is an unquestioned man of integrity and honor
He is being bludgeoned by that point
My point is that it is not a fact but disputable
A fellow Senator from his own party called him a "war monger" and I certainly don't remember Democrats and the media being so kind to McCain from the moment he won the Republican nomination and up until the precise moment he lost.
John McCain received a terrible diagnosis and as a human being I have sympathy and empathy for him and his family. I hope he gets well soon. I hope he has the integrity to resign his office when and if he becomes unable to fulfill its duties
But we don't have have to canonize him.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
I think McCain is an even bigger American hero now. God bless him
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
is pure gold, like the gaudy midtown manhattan tower bearing the family name of mr. capybara-toupee and his son with the Gordon Gecko copyright infringing hairstyle.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I'm sorry for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
I think pretty much everyone has that one (hopefully not many more than that) thing that they insist is real. Even at the same time they are ridiculing somebody else's weird thing.
We've had real debates here about vaccinations, including the flu vaccine. So it's not like the anti-vacc'ers are only somewhere on loon island. We've talked recently about the "chronic Lyme" folks. Obviously there are various crimes and scandals by politicians where we line up on one side or another regarding the truth or myth of the matter.
I know more than one really otherwise smart and educated person who still has to feng shui the shit out of their house or go gluten-free without accompanying celiac disease.
In the context of BBI, I have no problem with anyone's political
point of view. I'm here to talk sports and have a laugh.
I don't like a politically biased approach to thread deletions and bannings, though. And I'm afraid that Eric and other mods have let that come to pass, with BBI being the worse for it.
So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Unless someone spends 24 hours a day refreshing BBI, hard to keep track of why certain threads get deleted or why some posters get banned.
If the thread gets out of control, what's the harm from just locking that thread instead of deleting it? That way BBIers who log in later on in the day and see why a post has been locked or why a person has been banned.
about 1-2 months ago, I started a thread about how when visiting Washington DC, the Turkish president ordered his security detail to attack peaceful demonstrators.
I check back into BBI a few hours later and that thread was deleted. No way for me to know "WHY" it was deleted. Unable to read any comments or figure out what type of discussion got out of control for it to be deleted altogether.
If Eric or the MODs, just locked that thread (or any other political threads) that they feel have spiraled out of control, I think it would serve the community better to find out what actions caused them to do that.
So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
This. I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here. People are entitled to their opinion of the man, but part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second, and knowing when the timing of a comment is inappropriate. Honestly, I've had a low opinion of Eric since #44 got elected. He made some shitty comments that revealed exactly who he is.
I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here.
Like you just did towards "Spicey"? Not a hero like McCain, but had a thankless job with most of the world after his balls and he's not under investigation.
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
RE: Here we go with the lame attempts at equivalence
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
I agree...big difference between resigning and being diagnosed with cancer. And honestly, anyone who even compares Spicey to McCain really needs to look at that comparison again.
between someone resigning and being diagnosed with terminal illness is just ridiculous to the point that it makes my head want to explode. It really shouldn't be that too difficult, or am I taking crazy pills?
The only people I go at for the most part are Giant24, Madcow, and Mike in Marin. Have I ever pissed on someone's grave or made a comment off the heels of news of terminal illness? Until then, take your angry short guy shtick somewhere else.
I dont remember who posted it but it didnt last much longer after that.
It doesn't matter one way or another but you did start the thread...
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Fockin' boolshit, is what it is ... - ( New Window )
Here is why I ask:
I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.
But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.
I never met him.
But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.
I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.
I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.
I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.
I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit
I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.
I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:
1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.
2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
take care
We have crossed a line in this society that is very sad.
We are all Americans and want the best for our country but have different ideas on how to get there.
Respect the effort.
And that thread spiraled out of control. Did you see the second to last post before it got deleted? Apparently not.
The process and the people swirling around it are corrosive and often degrees of corrupt.
We don't see and often only know later which hero's have feet of clay and which will suddenly stand when it counts.
Carl Winzlow forgives you.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
JerrysKids,
If lack of Political Threads keeps you away from BBI -- why do you come here?
The fact is that this is a NY Giants football fan site, not a political discussion site, and political discussions here cause folks to have a lot of bad feelings and creates huge animosities that we can't afford to allow here. We strive for harmonious discourse.
take care
Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?
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I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
take care
Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?
That's exactly what he is.
Nice!
Here is why I ask:
I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.
But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.
I never met him.
But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.
I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.
I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.
I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.
I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit
I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.
I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:
1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.
2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.
take care
Love this guy.
I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.
Oh look, it's another dirtbag.
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He deserves his fate because white people are the arbiters of what is right and wrong in American society. That's because we have been here the longest - please don't make it about race.
I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.
No worries. But when the follow up comment (not yours)is "that's exactly what he is" my reaction is "Oh shit, here we go again".
What did Brett and Filthy say?
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
I rarely visit another Giants-related site anymore mainly because of the toxic political discourse. You aren't costing yourself traffic, it's a net positive, I think. Because if this site did get overly political, I and probably others would peace out. I actually like politics and like political debate, too. But just not here.
Agree 100%. I basically agree with nothing that McCain ever said, but I respect the man for his service to this country both militarily and politically.
And even if I hate his positions, he's not an evil man. He's going through a serious disease right now. He deserves all of our prayers and thoughts.
Additionally, we need to eradicate this world of all diseases now.
But not everyone acts like adults on those threads. That's the point.
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with that word choice, as I didn't believe it was the case.
I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.
No worries. But when the follow up comment (not yours)is "that's exactly what he is" my reaction is "Oh shit, here we go again".
Someone asked a question, and I answered it. For fuck's sake, it's not like Eric goes out of his way to hide it.
I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.
First of all, I'm quite confident that not everyone here are all adults. Secondly, there are a million other forums and websites that allow political discussion. This is one place that strives to be politics-free, and personally, I appreciate that. Why do you feel the need to talk about politics on an NFL message forum?
Eric and gidiefor have explained the reasons, and they are valid ones. There are people here right now that probably need the ban hammer because they are illustrating exactly why this site shouldn't be a place for politics.
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comment about McCain was deplorable.
What did Brett and Filthy say?
Terrible, horrible, no good things. Mostly about the Knicks though.
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I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.
The thing is... this very thread kind of proves my point. Some folks nowadays deal with left/right, liberal/conservative bullshit (which is exactly what it is) that it appears some have forgotten how to be decent to one another. It's sad and stuff you'd expect from a child.
GiantFilthy and Brett were unbanned.
Others who have been banned in the past have be re-instated if they agree to cooperate. (We get grief for reinstatements all of the time).
McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.
Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
We had a few temporary bans in the previous decade. We tried to allow political posts again, but things started getting really ugly well before mid-2015.
I rarely post in NFT's anymore and haven't for some time (other than maybe a movie thread).
McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.
Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
He seems to speak from conviction. Though I virtually always disagree with him I cant assign bad intent. That being the case combined with the fact he is a war hero, underlies that there is no room for a thread on him getting cancer to mock it.
Listen, Eli and Peyton manning have done some bad stuff and nobody here seems to care. Nobody is pure. Not you or I so leave it off a brain cancer thread IMO.
because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
Lol
Unfortunately BBI isn't the only place people look for reason to show their asses...errr... I mean political affiliations.
Because that's a overt political post. We've banned people all over the political spectrum.
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
You made it ultra-polarized with your radical right comment re: McCain. When the owner of the site makes the comments you made every radical clown is going to come out from hiding and follow suit.
I read the initial thread but didn't comment. Pretty ridiculous that there's a no political thread mandate on the site but then the owner of the site chimes in with a few absurd political comments.
You do not have to agree with his politics to admit that the guy has honor and integrity. Even his political opponents would disagree with you. In fact, you actually chose the LAST person in politics to accuse of lacking honor and integrity.
I think you will agree that I have NEVER in all of my years on BBI questioned anything you have ever said, called you out, etc. However, today you may have made the "stupid post" hall of fame. I suppose we all get one of those once in a while.
Because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt in an online forum thread
Don't you think the timing of your comment is a tad bit inappropriate and lacks class? Seems like your apology is just a half assed one to save face.
This is completely unnecessary as well. As someone that you dislike would say, "they go low, we go high."
Be honest with yourself. You said more than that. You took a very radical position vs a guy who's been a very solid moderate republican and public servant for his entire political career.
It was an absurd position to take and discredits the non-political mandate on the site. Looks like to me as long as you're a Trump nut swinger you're fine.
I've said my piece.
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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
That's rich coming from a clown, who can rationalize just about every incidents of innocent civilians being killed by the police. Seriously, get the fuck out of here with your hypocritical bullshit.
I don't agree with his politics or ethics. But I don't wish him any ill will. My "yikes" comment was in response to someone who made him sound like saint. I disagree.
That's all.
You can disagree with someone without taking away the integrity of what they have done throughout their life
Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.
John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.
The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.
I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
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of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
Offensive.
Ban this man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
You are.
That is all.
The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.
John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.
The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.
I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
And the Paul Ryan's, tea party clowns, and other radical right donks that primary out conservatives are seriously attacking the debt? Get a grip.
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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
I can't answer that until Beez makes his final determination :-)
Fuck Ya!
Mer'ca!!!
Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
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Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
lol
Please don't encourage such hate speak.
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
Wait, how is today similar to 1860?
I will leave it at that. No reason to beat this to death. You made a comment, I disagreed and gave my thoughts in just ONE reply. No big deal.
So in other words, "I'm sorry, but ahh who the fuck am I kidding, I'm not" sums this thread up nicely.
And that's from a guy who disagreed with a lot of McCain's stances and principles. It shouldn't be hard to do if you're the least bit impartial. People need to stop running around with politics like they're rooting for a football team. He was a veteran and a senator, not a linebacker for the Eagles.
"I'M NOT SORRY!!!" - ( New Window )
Most often the source is a for profit enterprise, and will continue to give the people "what they want".
We would be much better off if citizens read multiple news papers and received news from multiple sources.
I try to read two newspapers a day and get my "news" from 3 other sources (radio, multiple TV stations).
I heard recently that the mid 90's was a tipping point) and things have deteriorated since.
Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
It's not their fault. Their minds are addled from all the vaccinations they got in childhood.
Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
I've mentioned the concept of tribalism in the previous thread and in this one. I never thought of it until recently about how we align ourselves to groups we feel are our "tribes," but it's human nature to do so. I just feel that it's become more pronounced lately.
I've noticed it in politics with people aligning themselves so sternly with their own party views to the detriment of having openminds. But more personally, I've seen it for years (just never gave it more thought) in the military how our veterans and active service members continue to insulate themselves away from their civilian counterparts. While tribalism can be helpful in helping those with PTSD and other post-military issues (as succinctly stated in Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe) by giving them the ability to continually feel a sense of belonging, it often makes many veterans and active duty service members believe that they are breed apart from the society as a whole.
Since it is human nature to seek out tribes that they feel comfortable with, I doubt it's going to get better, especiall in these politically charged days.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
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They been conditioned by their peers.
"Most" would indicate that the majority of children believe the moon landing was faked.
That's not even close to being the truth, so why present it as if it is?
So in other words, "I'm sorry, but ahh who the fuck am I kidding, I'm not" sums this thread up nicely.
Yup.
BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.
Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.
I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
I think the problem is how the site is constructed/laid out. I participate in a few forums and this is the only one where every thread on every topic funnels into the same place/screen. The only way to sort at all is hide the non football threads.
So, I am in forums that have various categories to choose from at the top and where eventually you can find an area for political threads keeping all of those toxic discussions isolated. That being said, even there those people in the other forums get heated on political threads, but nothing like we see here.
This is Eric's web site but I believe we are due for a face lift to make it even better and those changes could result in the ability to have some political discussions allowing people to not even go into the area where they would even read the thread title.
McCain was involved in meeting foreign agents, leaking Intelligence information and paying former spies to influence an election.
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He is being bludgeoned by that point
My point is that it is not a fact but disputable
A fellow Senator from his own party called him a "war monger" and I certainly don't remember Democrats and the media being so kind to McCain from the moment he won the Republican nomination and up until the precise moment he lost.
John McCain received a terrible diagnosis and as a human being I have sympathy and empathy for him and his family. I hope he gets well soon. I hope he has the integrity to resign his office when and if he becomes unable to fulfill its duties
But we don't have have to canonize him.
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.
And this is just what is admitted to.
Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.
And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media
Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?
Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
I think McCain is an even bigger American hero now. God bless him
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
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In comment 13534474 Deej said:
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The pee tape is 100% real.
There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
... Let's.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Fixed.
We've had real debates here about vaccinations, including the flu vaccine. So it's not like the anti-vacc'ers are only somewhere on loon island. We've talked recently about the "chronic Lyme" folks. Obviously there are various crimes and scandals by politicians where we line up on one side or another regarding the truth or myth of the matter.
I don't like a politically biased approach to thread deletions and bannings, though. And I'm afraid that Eric and other mods have let that come to pass, with BBI being the worse for it.
Onwards and upwards.
We're seeing it here.
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Is the subject peeing on someone, or getting peed on?
the latter, by Moscow's finest ladies of the night (rumor has it they were also on the Ole Miss coach's phone contacts)
Wow
I couldn't do that. It would make my hair turn orange.
We're seeing it here.
Give me a break. He's drunk!
As soon as something happens, you make them out to be saints.
He spends his life in a nightgown!
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
If the thread gets out of control, what's the harm from just locking that thread instead of deleting it? That way BBIers who log in later on in the day and see why a post has been locked or why a person has been banned.
I check back into BBI a few hours later and that thread was deleted. No way for me to know "WHY" it was deleted. Unable to read any comments or figure out what type of discussion got out of control for it to be deleted altogether.
If Eric or the MODs, just locked that thread (or any other political threads) that they feel have spiraled out of control, I think it would serve the community better to find out what actions caused them to do that.
-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?
-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Don't worry about it GoldenShower.
Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
Spicey's looking for a job.
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Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.
He isn't.
He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.
A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.
It's fucking bizarre.
This. I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here. People are entitled to their opinion of the man, but part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second, and knowing when the timing of a comment is inappropriate. Honestly, I've had a low opinion of Eric since #44 got elected. He made some shitty comments that revealed exactly who he is.
I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here.
Like you just did towards "Spicey"? Not a hero like McCain, but had a thankless job with most of the world after his balls and he's not under investigation.
How dare you!!!
Spicey = McCain
McCain = Spicey
I agree...big difference between resigning and being diagnosed with cancer. And honestly, anyone who even compares Spicey to McCain really needs to look at that comparison again.
Woof.
Woof.
Alex Jones will be getting the job soon enough.
Oh, now see that is just too funny.