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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 4:19 pm
And I should have kept to my rule of not posting on NFTs.

I do not agree with the man's politics and question his ethics. But he served his country and I wish the best for his family.

McCain Thread?  
Samiam : 7/20/2017 4:19 pm : link
Was it deleted? Did it get nasty today?
Yikes!  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 4:23 pm : link
.
I think the  
RinR : 7/20/2017 4:26 pm : link
post made several after Eric's saying "Karma taking its course" was pretty bad given the original intent of the OP.

I dont remember who posted it but it didnt last much longer after that.
Do you wish the best for HIM and his family...  
okiegiant : 7/20/2017 4:35 pm : link
or just his family?

It doesn't matter one way or another but you did start the thread...
okiegiant  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 4:37 pm : link
Him and his family.
Yikes indeed  
B in ALB : 7/20/2017 4:38 pm : link
Things always get crazy  
bigbluehoya : 7/20/2017 4:42 pm : link
on OJ Day.
Yeah ...  
Beezer : 7/20/2017 4:45 pm : link

...
Fockin' boolshit, is what it is ... - ( New Window )
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Bill2 : 7/20/2017 4:46 pm : link
Eric, is that a consistently applied standard or an absolute one?

Here is why I ask:

I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.

But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.

I never met him.

But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.

I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.

I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.

I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.

I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit

I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.

I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:

1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.

2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.

take care
I made a simple  
well...bye TC : 7/20/2017 4:47 pm : link
thread about how theres so much news of all kinds these days and it gets deleted. This place hasnt changed in years.
I agree completely  
larryflower37 : 7/20/2017 4:47 pm : link
The man served his country in one way or another for most of his life.
We have crossed a line in this society that is very sad.

We are all Americans and want the best for our country but have different ideas on how to get there.
Respect the effort.
RE: I made a simple  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13533838 well...bye TC said:
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thread about how theres so much news of all kinds these days and it gets deleted. This place hasnt changed in years.


And that thread spiraled out of control. Did you see the second to last post before it got deleted? Apparently not.
Apparently not.  
well...bye TC : 7/20/2017 4:58 pm : link
i actually do other things too. Whatever...
Eric  
JerrysKids : 7/20/2017 4:59 pm : link
I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.
.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/20/2017 5:00 pm : link
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Bill2 : 7/20/2017 5:01 pm : link
I guess that I would add that deriding or championing any people in public office requires humility and not digging in too deep.

The process and the people swirling around it are corrosive and often degrees of corrupt.

We don't see and often only know later which hero's have feet of clay and which will suddenly stand when it counts.
For my part I apologize  
Deej : 7/20/2017 5:02 pm : link
it's too easy to confuse McCain and McClane in my defense. But I shouldnt have said that stuff about the victims at Nakatomi Plaza.
RE: For my part I apologize  
robbieballs2003 : 7/20/2017 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13533864 Deej said:
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it's too easy to confuse McCain and McClane in my defense. But I shouldnt have said that stuff about the victims at Nakatomi Plaza.


Carl Winzlow forgives you.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.


Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.
RE: Eric  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/20/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:
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I don't understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.


JerrysKids,

If lack of Political Threads keeps you away from BBI -- why do you come here?

The fact is that this is a NY Giants football fan site, not a political discussion site, and political discussions here cause folks to have a lot of bad feelings and creates huge animosities that we can't afford to allow here. We strive for harmonious discourse.
RE: .  
Don in DC : 7/20/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13533835 Bill2 said:
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I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.

take care


Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?
RE: RE: .  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13533873 Don in DC said:
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In comment 13533835 Bill2 said:


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I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.

take care



Wait, does this imply that Eric is a Trump fanatic?


That's exactly what he is.
Oh.  
Don in DC : 7/20/2017 5:09 pm : link
I see. Nevermind.
RE: For my part I apologize  
trueblueinpw : 7/20/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13533864 Deej said:
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it's too easy to confuse McCain and McClane in my defense. But I shouldnt have said that stuff about the victims at Nakatomi Plaza.


Nice!
RE: .  
T-Bone : 7/20/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13533835 Bill2 said:
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Eric, is that a consistently applied standard or an absolute one?

Here is why I ask:

I did not agree with all of the mans public service positions. I also often thought he was hyper vigilent about keeping our nation safe to the point of seeing threats I did not see and on the other hand seeing threats I did but the majority of America did not.

But he did know that this nation and its people have enemies. Some we deserve. Many we do not. Does not matter. We humans are more tribal than we would like to admit.

I never met him.

But I was quite self centered back when I considered myself in prison of sorts on a team several floors below ground assigned to analyze the output of the Soviet Union and when it go to its depots in nations and uprisings designed to drain us.

I am sure that some that work narrowed the range of time material showed up at ports and depots along the trail to kill my fellow young people.

I am sure that work narrowed the range and timing for pilots far away.

I am sure that when I thought I was in a dead end job, John McCain was out there thinking he was dead.

I am sure that when I got tired of the metal chairs we sat on, somewhere out there John McCain wished he could sit

I am also sure that there was another man working at night as well. He started by working in logistics as well. His job was to plan how to kill Americans. His name was Vladimir.

I find your remarks ones I would invite you to self examine
for two reasons:

1) We are all a mixture of great moments when we stood up and were counted. Good moments when we reflexively did as expected. Moments that were ok but self serving. And low life moments we try to self bury and rationalize. All of us.
When John McCains moments came...he answered in ways that would shame most of us. Respect is owed for the service and the moments of manhood.

2) I am not sure your guy knows what an enemy is if they have given him money. Neither do you. Until you do, I would not disparage anyone in public life as holier or better than the very flawed public life of John McCain.

take care


Love this guy.
Eric  
LCtheINTMachine : 7/20/2017 5:13 pm : link
I support you on sticking to the no politics rule. This is a football site and who would trust anyone's political opinion anyway on a site devoted to a game in which large men beat the crap out of each other and throw an oddly-shaped ball, with these men killing each other around when they turn 40.
And we start down the road again.....  
njm : 7/20/2017 5:13 pm : link
with the use of "fanatic". And before you ask, I voted for neither of the major party candidates last November.
I didn't mean to imply anything  
Don in DC : 7/20/2017 5:15 pm : link
with that word choice, as I didn't believe it was the case.

I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.
RE: Eric  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13533886 LCtheINTMachine said:
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I support you on sticking to the no politics rule. This is a football site and who would trust anyone's political opinion anyway on a site devoted to a game in which large men beat the crap out of each other and throw an oddly-shaped ball, with these men killing each other around when they turn 40.


Oh look, it's another dirtbag.
...  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 5:21 pm : link
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The bottom line is white people have spoken and they don't like Kaep
LCtheINTMachine : 7/5/2017 11:22 pm : link : reply
He deserves his fate because white people are the arbiters of what is right and wrong in American society. That's because we have been here the longest - please don't make it about race.
that  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/20/2017 5:21 pm : link
comment about McCain was deplorable.

mccain  
Les in TO : 7/20/2017 5:22 pm : link
is a survivor/hero and though I do not agree with all of his various political positions, I have a lot of respect for both what he went through and his willingness to speak his mind in a blunt manner.
I hate political threads  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2017 5:35 pm : link
People are just out of control
Eric  
JerrysKids : 7/20/2017 5:36 pm : link
I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.
RE: I didn't mean to imply anything  
njm : 7/20/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13533889 Don in DC said:
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with that word choice, as I didn't believe it was the case.

I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.


No worries. But when the follow up comment (not yours)is "that's exactly what he is" my reaction is "Oh shit, here we go again".
RE: that  
Anakim : 7/20/2017 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13533897 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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comment about McCain was deplorable.


What did Brett and Filthy say?
RE: RE: Eric  
allstarjim : 7/20/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13533869 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:


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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.



Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.


I rarely visit another Giants-related site anymore mainly because of the toxic political discourse. You aren't costing yourself traffic, it's a net positive, I think. Because if this site did get overly political, I and probably others would peace out. I actually like politics and like political debate, too. But just not here.
RE: mccain  
Anakim : 7/20/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13533898 Les in TO said:
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is a survivor/hero and though I do not agree with all of his various political positions, I have a lot of respect for both what he went through and his willingness to speak his mind in a blunt manner.


Agree 100%. I basically agree with nothing that McCain ever said, but I respect the man for his service to this country both militarily and politically.

And even if I hate his positions, he's not an evil man. He's going through a serious disease right now. He deserves all of our prayers and thoughts.


Additionally, we need to eradicate this world of all diseases now.
RE: Eric  
T-Bone : 7/20/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13533908 JerrysKids said:
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I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.


But not everyone acts like adults on those threads. That's the point.
RE: RE: I didn't mean to imply anything  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13533909 njm said:
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In comment 13533889 Don in DC said:


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with that word choice, as I didn't believe it was the case.

I too have come to strongly prefer BBI as a no-politics zone, and certainly wouldn't want to break that rule. Apologies if I offended.



No worries. But when the follow up comment (not yours)is "that's exactly what he is" my reaction is "Oh shit, here we go again".


Someone asked a question, and I answered it. For fuck's sake, it's not like Eric goes out of his way to hide it.
RE: Eric  
Jay on the Island : 7/20/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13533908 JerrysKids said:
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I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.

I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.
RE: Eric  
allstarjim : 7/20/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13533908 JerrysKids said:
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I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.


First of all, I'm quite confident that not everyone here are all adults. Secondly, there are a million other forums and websites that allow political discussion. This is one place that strives to be politics-free, and personally, I appreciate that. Why do you feel the need to talk about politics on an NFL message forum?

Eric and gidiefor have explained the reasons, and they are valid ones. There are people here right now that probably need the ban hammer because they are illustrating exactly why this site shouldn't be a place for politics.
RE: RE: that  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13533912 Anakim said:
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In comment 13533897 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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comment about McCain was deplorable.




What did Brett and Filthy say?


Terrible, horrible, no good things. Mostly about the Knicks though.
...and the Mets,  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 5:50 pm : link
Probably.
Random comment - but two of my buddies  
bhill410 : 7/20/2017 5:52 pm : link
We're down at a lake compound one of our friends families owned with the McCain. They crashed his golf cart drunk ---- he was not super amused....
RE: RE: Eric  
T-Bone : 7/20/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13533921 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13533908 JerrysKids said:


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I come here to read and chat about the NY Football Giants, but I also like a good NFT. I dont understand the censorship, let people discuss. Were all adults.


I guess you are new to BBI. The fact is that while we are all adults many do not behave accordingly on political threads.


The thing is... this very thread kind of proves my point. Some folks nowadays deal with left/right, liberal/conservative bullshit (which is exactly what it is) that it appears some have forgotten how to be decent to one another. It's sad and stuff you'd expect from a child.
If even the owner of the site  
Metnut : 7/20/2017 5:56 pm : link
can make a mistake, then maybe the admins can show some mercy and let a few people who admit they've made mistakes, and want to come back, post again.
I don't know  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 5:59 pm : link
I don't see how the banning are given out. It's ok for the site owner to set a precedent, but when the community filled suit, they're banned. SMH...
Bannings*  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 6:00 pm : link
Followed*
RE: If even the owner of the site  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13533934 Metnut said:
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can make a mistake, then maybe the admins can show some mercy and let a few people who admit they've made mistakes, and want to come back, post again.


GiantFilthy and Brett were unbanned.

Others who have been banned in the past have be re-instated if they agree to cooperate. (We get grief for reinstatements all of the time).
McCain was a war hero  
RetroJint : 7/20/2017 6:04 pm : link
I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .

McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.

Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
David in LA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 6:08 pm : link
The current political ban has only been in place since 2015.

We had a few temporary bans in the previous decade. We tried to allow political posts again, but things started getting really ugly well before mid-2015.

I rarely post in NFT's anymore and haven't for some time (other than maybe a movie thread).
RE: McCain was a war hero  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13533945 RetroJint said:
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I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .

McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.

Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
I dont agree with his politics either. But unless you can assign bad intent on him then what you wrote seems pointless.

He seems to speak from conviction. Though I virtually always disagree with him I cant assign bad intent. That being the case combined with the fact he is a war hero, underlies that there is no room for a thread on him getting cancer to mock it.


Listen, Eli and Peyton manning have done some bad stuff and nobody here seems to care. Nobody is pure. Not you or I so leave it off a brain cancer thread IMO.
The guy dedicated his life to this country  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2017 6:28 pm : link
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:
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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
You are wrong. People on the thread were uniformly saying I dont agree with him and even I still think hes a great hero. They were pointing out they dont agree with him merely to show their respect for his service by emphasizing that despite disagreemenrs hes a great American. So your conclusion is directly the opposite of what was going on.
RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
madgiantscow009 : 7/20/2017 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:
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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.


because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
RE: .  
djm : 7/20/2017 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13533861 robbieballs2003 said:
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Lol
Funny that a mea culpa thread  
Bill L : 7/20/2017 6:49 pm : link
Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.
RE: Funny that a mea culpa thread  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13533991 Bill L said:
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Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.


Unfortunately BBI isn't the only place people look for reason to show their asses...errr... I mean political affiliations.
That thread was devolving quickly...  
BurberryManning : 7/20/2017 7:01 pm : link
It didn't take long until passive aggressive potshots were made against certain politicians, which may as well be a dog whistle for further political discourse.
Whatever Eric.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:48 pm : link
You banned me after starting a thread back in September about possible Russian interference in our election. You're stripes have been shown.
*  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:48 pm : link
Your
RE: Whatever Eric.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13534046 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You banned me after starting a thread back in September about possible Russian interference in our election. You're stripes have been shown.


Because that's a overt political post. We've banned people all over the political spectrum.
That's absurd.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:57 pm : link
A foreign adversary interfering in our democratic process shouldn't be political. All sides should agree that's it wrong.
RE: RE: Eric  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13533869 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:


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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.



Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.


You made it ultra-polarized with your radical right comment re: McCain. When the owner of the site makes the comments you made every radical clown is going to come out from hiding and follow suit.

I read the initial thread but didn't comment. Pretty ridiculous that there's a no political thread mandate on the site but then the owner of the site chimes in with a few absurd political comments.
And here we go again.  
Crispino : 7/20/2017 7:59 pm : link
This was exactly my issue when the OP on the deleted thread qualified his well wishes for Senator McCain by identifying his political philosophy. I knew this was exactly where we were headed. People on both sides of the political aisle just can't help themselves. Here we are in the the thread discussing why the other thread got deleted and we're headed for a second deletion on the same subject.
WillVAB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:01 pm : link
I didn't realize "yikes" was that powerful of a word. My apologies.
Eric, I was in the process of responding to you  
EricJ : 7/20/2017 8:04 pm : link
right as the thread got deleted. You did not say that you disagreed with his politics. You questioned his honor and integrity. For that, I was basically blasting you in my reply.

You do not have to agree with his politics to admit that the guy has honor and integrity. Even his political opponents would disagree with you. In fact, you actually chose the LAST person in politics to accuse of lacking honor and integrity.

I think you will agree that I have NEVER in all of my years on BBI questioned anything you have ever said, called you out, etc. However, today you may have made the "stupid post" hall of fame. I suppose we all get one of those once in a while.
EricJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:06 pm : link
There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.
RE: Eric  
TommyWiseau : 7/20/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.


Because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt in an online forum thread
EricJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:08 pm : link
and BTW, many of Bernie's socialist supporters feel the same way.
RE: EricJ  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13534058 Eric from BBI said:
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There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.


Don't you think the timing of your comment is a tad bit inappropriate and lacks class? Seems like your apology is just a half assed one to save face.
David in LA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:13 pm : link
Yup.
RE: EricJ  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13534061 Eric from BBI said:
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and BTW, many of Bernie's socialist supporters feel the same way.


This is completely unnecessary as well. As someone that you dislike would say, "they go low, we go high."
RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13534053 Eric from BBI said:
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I didn't realize "yikes" was that powerful of a word. My apologies.


Be honest with yourself. You said more than that. You took a very radical position vs a guy who's been a very solid moderate republican and public servant for his entire political career.

It was an absurd position to take and discredits the non-political mandate on the site. Looks like to me as long as you're a Trump nut swinger you're fine.
OK...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:15 pm : link
when the wife says I'm getting sucked into this again, I need to stop. Don't question the spouse.

I've said my piece.
RE: RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13533979 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:


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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.



because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.


That's rich coming from a clown, who can rationalize just about every incidents of innocent civilians being killed by the police. Seriously, get the fuck out of here with your hypocritical bullshit.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:18 pm : link
I will simply reiterate what I said.

I don't agree with his politics or ethics. But I don't wish him any ill will. My "yikes" comment was in response to someone who made him sound like saint. I disagree.

That's all.
I think GiantFilthy should have stayed banned.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2017 8:23 pm : link
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Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:23 pm : link
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
The enemy of my enemy...  
Bill L : 7/20/2017 8:26 pm : link
?
R  
Bill2 : 7/20/2017 8:26 pm : link
Yes
Look I'm a definite Democrat  
montanagiant : 7/20/2017 8:29 pm : link
And there are times I thought McCain was all talk and no walk. More or less a pandering politician who plays the crowd. With that said you don't take away from McCain the fact that this is a man who sacrificed a ton for this country and his fellow service men.

You can disagree with someone without taking away the integrity of what they have done throughout their life
B  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:31 pm : link
Yes.
What Filthy did was disgusting  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:32 pm : link
Probably.
I posted a thread with a picture  
B in ALB : 7/20/2017 8:33 pm : link
of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13534093 B in ALB said:
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of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.


Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
We've become too extreme  
EddieNYG : 7/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.

The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.

John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.

The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.

I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13534093 B in ALB said:


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of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.



Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.


Offensive.

Ban this man.
I'm offended by you being offended  
B in ALB : 7/20/2017 8:41 pm : link
Ban him.
RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13534083 David in LA said:
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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.


But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13534102 RC02XX said:
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In comment 13534083 David in LA said:


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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.



But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"


You are.
Honestly...  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:44 pm : link
Tribalism.

That is all.
RE: We've become too extreme  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13534096 EddieNYG said:
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Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.

The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.

John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.

The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.

I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.


And the Paul Ryan's, tea party clowns, and other radical right donks that primary out conservatives are seriously attacking the debt? Get a grip.
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13534102 RC02XX said:
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In comment 13534083 David in LA said:


Quote:


"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.



But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"


I can't answer that until Beez makes his final determination :-)
At times like this it is best to quote Mandela  
Deej : 7/20/2017 8:51 pm : link
Quote:
If Randy is not free, then none of us are truly free
Randy is only pawn  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:53 pm : link
In game of life.
RE: I think GiantFilthy should have stayed banned.  
Beezer : 7/20/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13534082 BrettNYG10 said:
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Fuck Ya!

Mer'ca!!!
RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
Les in TO : 7/20/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:
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Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
lol
RE: RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13534124 Les in TO said:
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In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:


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Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.

lol


Please don't encourage such hate speak.
RE: RE: Eric  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13533869 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:


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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.



Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.


Wait, how is today similar to 1860?
you could have a basement - and rules  
mattlawson : 7/20/2017 9:55 pm : link
appropriate wayward topics get moved there, banning occurs if you break the rules.
I've deliberately started...  
Reb8thVA : 7/20/2017 9:58 pm : link
Limiting my involvement with BBI over the last year or so. Eric created something amazing here at BBI. It was more than simply a website about football. It was a COMMUNITY. It was a place where you could go and learn things beyond football, people with all kinds of experience would share their expertise, we would have heated debates but they were exciting and informed. But the most important thing was that I was introduced to some really great people who I felt a bond with. People I cared about and people who brought joy and happiness into my life. BBI has steadily been losing something over the last few years. The conversation has become more sterile and the people less interesting. Now it's just another website.
RE: EricJ  
EricJ : 7/20/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13534058 Eric from BBI said:
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There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.


I will leave it at that. No reason to beat this to death. You made a comment, I disagreed and gave my thoughts in just ONE reply. No big deal.
John McCain v. Internet Weasels  
Maryland Giant : 7/21/2017 6:06 am : link
McCain has demonstrated more integrity and ethics than likely any 10 members of this thread combined.
RE: John McCain v. Internet Weasels  
BMac : 7/21/2017 6:33 am : link
In comment 13534322 Maryland Giant said:
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McCain has demonstrated more integrity and ethics than likely any 10 members of this thread combined.


What a shitshow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2017 8:06 am : link
an apology thread becomes just another place to post that "millions of people question McCain integrity".

So in other words, "I'm sorry, but ahh who the fuck am I kidding, I'm not" sums this thread up nicely.
lol  
Beezer : 7/21/2017 8:14 am : link
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lol  
T-Bone : 7/21/2017 8:29 am : link
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...  
RC02XX : 7/21/2017 8:45 am : link
It's not the country that's polarized, it's the people  
jcn56 : 7/21/2017 8:55 am : link
and you need to take a good, long hard look in the mirror when you find yourself taking that stance about a sick, older man who did a ton to serve his country.

And that's from a guy who disagreed with a lot of McCain's stances and principles. It shouldn't be hard to do if you're the least bit impartial. People need to stop running around with politics like they're rooting for a football team. He was a veteran and a senator, not a linebacker for the Eagles.
"I'm sorry"  
Maryland Giant : 7/21/2017 8:56 am : link
.
"I'M NOT SORRY!!!" - ( New Window )
Polarization - of views  
GiantsUA : 7/21/2017 8:57 am : link
Unfortunately, those who subscribe to a political viewpoint tend to get there news from a source that often lines up with their views.

Most often the source is a for profit enterprise, and will continue to give the people "what they want".

We would be much better off if citizens read multiple news papers and received news from multiple sources.

I try to read two newspapers a day and get my "news" from 3 other sources (radio, multiple TV stations).

I heard recently that the mid 90's was a tipping point) and things have deteriorated since.






No offense, but there are millions who think 9/11 was an inside job  
jcn56 : 7/21/2017 8:59 am : link
and that the moon landings were faked.

Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.
McCain honor and integrity?  
twostepgiants : 7/21/2017 9:03 am : link
It's just taken as gospel without any pushback.

I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.

And this is just what is admitted to.

Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.

And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media

Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?

Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs


Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )
jcn  
Maryland Giant : 7/21/2017 9:04 am : link
I see what you mean. One of them just showed up.
Too far, twosteps.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2017 9:04 am : link
The pee tape is 100% real.
RE: No offense, but there are millions who think 9/11 was an inside job  
Deej : 7/21/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13534403 jcn56 said:
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and that the moon landings were faked.

Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.


It's not their fault. Their minds are addled from all the vaccinations they got in childhood.
RE: No offense, but there are millions who think 9/11 was an inside job  
RC02XX : 7/21/2017 9:08 am : link
In comment 13534403 jcn56 said:
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and that the moon landings were faked.

Sometimes, having company isn't a good thing.


I've mentioned the concept of tribalism in the previous thread and in this one. I never thought of it until recently about how we align ourselves to groups we feel are our "tribes," but it's human nature to do so. I just feel that it's become more pronounced lately.

I've noticed it in politics with people aligning themselves so sternly with their own party views to the detriment of having openminds. But more personally, I've seen it for years (just never gave it more thought) in the military how our veterans and active service members continue to insulate themselves away from their civilian counterparts. While tribalism can be helpful in helping those with PTSD and other post-military issues (as succinctly stated in Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe) by giving them the ability to continually feel a sense of belonging, it often makes many veterans and active duty service members believe that they are breed apart from the society as a whole.

Since it is human nature to seek out tribes that they feel comfortable with, I doubt it's going to get better, especiall in these politically charged days.
Most kids now think the moon landing was fake  
WideRight : 7/21/2017 9:10 am : link
They been conditioned by their peers.

BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.

Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.

I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.
C'mon now..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2017 9:13 am : link
Quote:
Most kids now think the moon landing was fake
WideRight : 9:10 am : link : reply
They been conditioned by their peers.


"Most" would indicate that the majority of children believe the moon landing was faked.

That's not even close to being the truth, so why present it as if it is?

Appropriate today: - from March 4, 1861  
GiantsUA : 7/21/2017 9:13 am : link
I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.
RE: What a shitshow..  
Harvest Blend : 7/21/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13534351 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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an apology thread becomes just another place to post that "millions of people question McCain integrity".

So in other words, "I'm sorry, but ahh who the fuck am I kidding, I'm not" sums this thread up nicely.


Yup.
RE: Most kids now think the moon landing was fake  
EricJ : 7/21/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13534422 WideRight said:
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They been conditioned by their peers.

BBI has been similarly affected the no politics rule. Its there because we can't be civil, so when in a discussions heads that way we are conditioned to become uncivil.

Gidefor said the site "can't afford" the behavior. I find that rather cowardly and dishonest. Just reframe it and let it go. There isn't anything that can be typed that would harm this place anymore than continued censorship.

I learned alot here from people I disagree with. The insults are insignificant.


I think the problem is how the site is constructed/laid out. I participate in a few forums and this is the only one where every thread on every topic funnels into the same place/screen. The only way to sort at all is hide the non football threads.

So, I am in forums that have various categories to choose from at the top and where eventually you can find an area for political threads keeping all of those toxic discussions isolated. That being said, even there those people in the other forums get heated on political threads, but nothing like we see here.

This is Eric's web site but I believe we are due for a face lift to make it even better and those changes could result in the ability to have some political discussions allowing people to not even go into the area where they would even read the thread title.
RE: Too far, twosteps.  
twostepgiants : 7/21/2017 9:23 am : link
Whether it is or isn't

McCain was involved in meeting foreign agents, leaking Intelligence information and paying former spies to influence an election.

In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote:
The pee tape is 100% real.
I'm defending Eric from Bbi  
twostepgiants : 7/21/2017 9:34 am : link
Over this false idea that McCain is an unquestioned man of integrity and honor

He is being bludgeoned by that point

My point is that it is not a fact but disputable

A fellow Senator from his own party called him a "war monger" and I certainly don't remember Democrats and the media being so kind to McCain from the moment he won the Republican nomination and up until the precise moment he lost.

John McCain received a terrible diagnosis and as a human being I have sympathy and empathy for him and his family. I hope he gets well soon. I hope he has the integrity to resign his office when and if he becomes unable to fulfill its duties

But we don't have have to canonize him.

Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.

He isn't.
RE: McCain honor and integrity?  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 7/21/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13534408 twostepgiants said:
Quote:
It's just taken as gospel without any pushback.

I would go too far into it with disputed allegations over his role in Keating, what happened on the deck of the carrier or his actions with Muslim Brotherhood but I'll just leave it as a widely public but not scrutinized actions of McCain interference in this election and collision with foreign agents and media and what sounds a lot like espionage.

And this is just what is admitted to.

Foreign agents and former spies were used to get the so called "Russian dossier" which was hired and paid for by a Republican primary candidate to use vs Trump, McCain helped get this to Democrats when that person dropped. McCain leaked this to Mother Jones on Oct 31 to influence election, he set up meetings and "dispatched" his "trusted aide" to get a "clandestine" meeting all against the President-elect.

And this is all over a document that has been discredited by Intelligence and retracted by the media

Does any of this sound like the legitimate actions of a Senator, during an election?

Again this is just what is publicly known. Wait til an investigation occurs
Article detailing McCain role - ( New Window )


I think McCain is an even bigger American hero now. God bless him
Not really...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/21/2017 9:38 am : link
Quote:
Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.

He isn't.


He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.

A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.

It's fucking bizarre.
RE: Too far, twosteps.  
Deej : 7/21/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote:
The pee tape is 100% real.


There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.
the tape  
Les in TO : 7/21/2017 9:54 am : link
is pure gold, like the gaudy midtown manhattan tower bearing the family name of mr. capybara-toupee and his son with the Gordon Gecko copyright infringing hairstyle.
RE: RE: Too far, twosteps.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13534474 Deej said:
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In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


The pee tape is 100% real.



There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.


Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.
This is simple..  
Keith : 7/21/2017 10:07 am : link
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."

Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.
RE: RE: RE: Too far, twosteps.  
Deej : 7/21/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13534508 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13534474 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


The pee tape is 100% real.



There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.



Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.


I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Too far, twosteps.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13534527 Deej said:
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In comment 13534508 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


In comment 13534474 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 13534413 BrettNYG10 said:


Quote:


The pee tape is 100% real.



There is no pee pee tape. No pee pee. People say if there is a tape it's the best pee pee tape ever made. It's fantastic. No pee pee tape. You're the pee pee tape.



Do you think the pee tape will show he doesn't have the huge schlong he said he had at the Republican debate last year? If he's lying, I think that might do him in. Can't imagine people tolerating that.



I think people will go on TV to say that EVERYBODY would make a pee pee tape if the opportunity presented itself.


... Let's.
I haven't seen the pee tape  
WideRight : 7/21/2017 10:20 am : link
Is the subject peeing on someone, or getting peed on?
RE: This is simple..  
Beezer : 7/21/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13534523 Keith said:
Quote:
Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I'm sorry for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."

Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.


Fixed.
RE: I haven't seen the pee tape  
Les in TO : 7/21/2017 10:57 am : link
In comment 13534539 WideRight said:
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Is the subject peeing on someone, or getting peed on?
the latter, by Moscow's finest ladies of the night (rumor has it they were also on the Ole Miss coach's phone contacts)
Crazy's are not really abnormal  
Bill L : 7/21/2017 11:05 am : link
I think pretty much everyone has that one (hopefully not many more than that) thing that they insist is real. Even at the same time they are ridiculing somebody else's weird thing.

We've had real debates here about vaccinations, including the flu vaccine. So it's not like the anti-vacc'ers are only somewhere on loon island. We've talked recently about the "chronic Lyme" folks. Obviously there are various crimes and scandals by politicians where we line up on one side or another regarding the truth or myth of the matter.
Even the little stuff  
Bill L : 7/21/2017 11:07 am : link
I know more than one really otherwise smart and educated person who still has to feng shui the shit out of their house or go gluten-free without accompanying celiac disease.
In the context of BBI, I have no problem with anyone's political  
Del Shofner : 7/21/2017 11:13 am : link
point of view. I'm here to talk sports and have a laugh.

I don't like a politically biased approach to thread deletions and bannings, though. And I'm afraid that Eric and other mods have let that come to pass, with BBI being the worse for it.

Onwards and upwards.
I'm all for political threads  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/21/2017 11:46 am : link
people reveal their true natures and tribal mentalities on those threads and it makes it easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.

We're seeing it here.
RE: RE: I haven't seen the pee tape  
WideRight : 7/21/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13534590 Les in TO said:
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In comment 13534539 WideRight said:


Quote:


Is the subject peeing on someone, or getting peed on?

the latter, by Moscow's finest ladies of the night (rumor has it they were also on the Ole Miss coach's phone contacts)


Wow

I couldn't do that. It would make my hair turn orange.
This would be a great please donate to BBI thread  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 7/21/2017 11:49 am : link
.
RE: I'm all for political threads  
Bill L : 7/21/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13534650 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
people reveal their true natures and tribal mentalities on those threads and it makes it easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.

We're seeing it here.
What's like with all the chaff?
Many here  
JonC : 7/21/2017 11:56 am : link
could use a BBI break, too much bottled up anger ...
John drinks!  
B in ALB : 7/21/2017 12:01 pm : link
Maybe he's depressed.

Give me a break. He's drunk!

As soon as something happens, you make them out to be saints.

He spends his life in a nightgown!


And if thats not enough  
well...bye TC : 7/21/2017 12:31 pm : link
what will Melissa McCarthy do now?
OK  
Rover : 7/21/2017 12:33 pm : link
So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:

-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?

-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.
Threads should be LOCKED instead of being deleted  
NYG27 : 7/21/2017 12:49 pm : link
Unless someone spends 24 hours a day refreshing BBI, hard to keep track of why certain threads get deleted or why some posters get banned.

If the thread gets out of control, what's the harm from just locking that thread instead of deleting it? That way BBIers who log in later on in the day and see why a post has been locked or why a person has been banned.
As an example  
NYG27 : 7/21/2017 12:56 pm : link
about 1-2 months ago, I started a thread about how when visiting Washington DC, the Turkish president ordered his security detail to attack peaceful demonstrators.

I check back into BBI a few hours later and that thread was deleted. No way for me to know "WHY" it was deleted. Unable to read any comments or figure out what type of discussion got out of control for it to be deleted altogether.

If Eric or the MODs, just locked that thread (or any other political threads) that they feel have spiraled out of control, I think it would serve the community better to find out what actions caused them to do that.
Given the thread topic  
Bill L : 7/21/2017 12:58 pm : link
I am not sure why you couldn't figure out the reason for it being deleted.
I mean my first guess would have been poor grammar  
Bill L : 7/21/2017 12:59 pm : link
or possibly font choice, but still...
...  
Dodge : 7/21/2017 1:00 pm : link
If this was a real forum you could lock threads instead of deleting them.

RE: OK  
B in ALB : 7/21/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13534707 Rover said:
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So I missed out on all the fun and am just catching up now, tell me if I have it right:

-Somebody made a thread (Eric?) about McCain being ill. On it, in resposne to somebody praising McCain Eric questioned McCain's integrity and politics...and it spirawled from there?

-IF true, I don't understand, I thought Eric was a Republican.


Don't worry about it GoldenShower.
RE: This is simple..  
David in LA : 7/21/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13534523 Keith said:
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Eric, you messed up twice. You first messed up contributing to a political discussion. Then you messed up on this thread. You very simply should have said...."I apologize for my contribution to a political discussion. We have a rule that there is no political discussion for a variety of reasons and I broke my own rule and for that, I apologize."

Thats it. Not try to justify what you actually said. Please let me know if you'd like me to be your PR guy.


Spicey's looking for a job.
RE: Not really...  
David in LA : 7/21/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13534467 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


Eric is being beaten up over this idea that McCain is some pillar of unquestioned honor and integrity that is mortal humans can't even fathom.

He isn't.



He's being beaten up for using the announcement of a man having brain cancer to shit on his integrity and dedication.

A man who has served his country and the public, who isn't a criminal, is ill. Instead of wishing good thoughts or not commenting at all, the thread was used to say he doesn't have integrity and that the US is like 1860.

It's fucking bizarre.


This. I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here. People are entitled to their opinion of the man, but part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second, and knowing when the timing of a comment is inappropriate. Honestly, I've had a low opinion of Eric since #44 got elected. He made some shitty comments that revealed exactly who he is.
RE: RE: Not really...  
njm : 7/21/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13534775 David in LA said:
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I feel like we are in bizarro world that we can't show a little bit of decency here.


Like you just did towards "Spicey"? Not a hero like McCain, but had a thankless job with most of the world after his balls and he's not under investigation.
Here we go with the lame attempts at equivalence  
David in LA : 7/21/2017 1:21 pm : link
My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.
RE: Here we go with the lame attempts at equivalence  
B in ALB : 7/21/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13534796 David in LA said:
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My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.


How dare you!!!

Spicey = McCain

McCain = Spicey
Propaganda minister is never an easy job.  
GiantsUA : 7/21/2017 1:23 pm : link
Especially if there is a so called "free press"
RE: Here we go with the lame attempts at equivalence  
RC02XX : 7/21/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13534796 David in LA said:
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My comment was clearly a joke made towards Keith since he offered to be a PR person. If he was terminally ill, I don't even make a comment and wish him well. See, this is what decent grownups do. Lighten up, Francis.


I agree...big difference between resigning and being diagnosed with cancer. And honestly, anyone who even compares Spicey to McCain really needs to look at that comparison again.
I'm mainly upset about Spicey  
B in ALB : 7/21/2017 1:26 pm : link
because now we have to look at Huckleberry Flanders at the podium.

Woof.
RE: I'm mainly upset about Spicey  
BrettNYG10 : 7/21/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13534808 B in ALB said:
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because now we have to look at Huckleberry Flanders at the podium.

Woof.


Alex Jones will be getting the job soon enough.
RE: RE: Not really...  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13534775 David in LA said:
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part of being a grown up is being able to shut the fuck up for a second


Oh, now see that is just too funny.
She reminds me of  
GiantsUA : 7/21/2017 1:29 pm : link
1/2 dead head, 1/2 minor stroke victim
How some people can't see the difference  
David in LA : 7/21/2017 1:30 pm : link
between someone resigning and being diagnosed with terminal illness is just ridiculous to the point that it makes my head want to explode. It really shouldn't be that too difficult, or am I taking crazy pills?
Sorry Greg  
David in LA : 7/21/2017 1:33 pm : link
The only people I go at for the most part are Giant24, Madcow, and Mike in Marin. Have I ever pissed on someone's grave or made a comment off the heels of news of terminal illness? Until then, take your angry short guy shtick somewhere else.
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