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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 4:19 pm
And I should have kept to my rule of not posting on NFTs.

I do not agree with the man's politics and question his ethics. But he served his country and I wish the best for his family.

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McCain was a war hero  
RetroJint : 7/20/2017 6:04 pm : link
I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .

McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.

Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
David in LA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 6:08 pm : link
The current political ban has only been in place since 2015.

We had a few temporary bans in the previous decade. We tried to allow political posts again, but things started getting really ugly well before mid-2015.

I rarely post in NFT's anymore and haven't for some time (other than maybe a movie thread).
RE: McCain was a war hero  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13533945 RetroJint said:
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I respect that. I hope he recovers . However his life in politics I have come to loathe. His one good political ideas was term limits. That's one that everybody, regardless of political affiliation or philosophy , should demand. Get these parisites out of DC after 1 term as a Senator, 3 for the House. We have a nation of 300 plus million . There is enough talent . These thieves are stealing the country .

McCain came dangerously close to federal prison for his role in the Keating Five. At the very least his admitted poor judgement directly led to bank failures and suicifdes by heretofore respected members of their communities . People were bankrupted . Savings dissolved . A decent man would have retired from public office, accepting his shame.

Look , many people get cancer. 20 year-olds get brain cancer . Cancer has ripped through my family . I've had cancer. It's a terrible disease , actually a terrible series of diseases. A dear woman of 53 that I know is about to succumb to it. I feel badly for his family . But I feel nothing for John McCain. For too many years, he's been a major part of the problem. And his reflexive urge to commit US troops to every hapless situation in the world is a psychosis born of his incarceration and torture by the North Vietnamese , in my opinion . We are in places right now where we have no business being because of McCain and his ilk .
I dont agree with his politics either. But unless you can assign bad intent on him then what you wrote seems pointless.

He seems to speak from conviction. Though I virtually always disagree with him I cant assign bad intent. That being the case combined with the fact he is a war hero, underlies that there is no room for a thread on him getting cancer to mock it.


Listen, Eli and Peyton manning have done some bad stuff and nobody here seems to care. Nobody is pure. Not you or I so leave it off a brain cancer thread IMO.
The guy dedicated his life to this country  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2017 6:28 pm : link
way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:
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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.
You are wrong. People on the thread were uniformly saying I dont agree with him and even I still think hes a great hero. They were pointing out they dont agree with him merely to show their respect for his service by emphasizing that despite disagreemenrs hes a great American. So your conclusion is directly the opposite of what was going on.
RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
madgiantscow009 : 7/20/2017 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:
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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.


because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.
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djm : 7/20/2017 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13533861 robbieballs2003 said:
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Lol
Funny that a mea culpa thread  
Bill L : 7/20/2017 6:49 pm : link
Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.
RE: Funny that a mea culpa thread  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13533991 Bill L said:
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Became one where everyone wants to spew out their own political prejudices. It's almost as if there was this pent up political bile and Eric pulled the cap off the well for one thread.


Unfortunately BBI isn't the only place people look for reason to show their asses...errr... I mean political affiliations.
That thread was devolving quickly...  
BurberryManning : 7/20/2017 7:01 pm : link
It didn't take long until passive aggressive potshots were made against certain politicians, which may as well be a dog whistle for further political discourse.
Whatever Eric.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:48 pm : link
You banned me after starting a thread back in September about possible Russian interference in our election. You're stripes have been shown.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:48 pm : link
Your
RE: Whatever Eric.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13534046 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You banned me after starting a thread back in September about possible Russian interference in our election. You're stripes have been shown.


Because that's a overt political post. We've banned people all over the political spectrum.
That's absurd.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/20/2017 7:57 pm : link
A foreign adversary interfering in our democratic process shouldn't be political. All sides should agree that's it wrong.
RE: RE: Eric  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13533869 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:


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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.



Sure. It costs me a ton of traffic. But it's not worth the headache. The country is too polarized, similar to 1860.


You made it ultra-polarized with your radical right comment re: McCain. When the owner of the site makes the comments you made every radical clown is going to come out from hiding and follow suit.

I read the initial thread but didn't comment. Pretty ridiculous that there's a no political thread mandate on the site but then the owner of the site chimes in with a few absurd political comments.
And here we go again.  
Crispino : 7/20/2017 7:59 pm : link
This was exactly my issue when the OP on the deleted thread qualified his well wishes for Senator McCain by identifying his political philosophy. I knew this was exactly where we were headed. People on both sides of the political aisle just can't help themselves. Here we are in the the thread discussing why the other thread got deleted and we're headed for a second deletion on the same subject.
WillVAB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:01 pm : link
I didn't realize "yikes" was that powerful of a word. My apologies.
Eric, I was in the process of responding to you  
EricJ : 7/20/2017 8:04 pm : link
right as the thread got deleted. You did not say that you disagreed with his politics. You questioned his honor and integrity. For that, I was basically blasting you in my reply.

You do not have to agree with his politics to admit that the guy has honor and integrity. Even his political opponents would disagree with you. In fact, you actually chose the LAST person in politics to accuse of lacking honor and integrity.

I think you will agree that I have NEVER in all of my years on BBI questioned anything you have ever said, called you out, etc. However, today you may have made the "stupid post" hall of fame. I suppose we all get one of those once in a while.
EricJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:06 pm : link
There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.
RE: Eric  
TommyWiseau : 7/20/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13533855 JerrysKids said:
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I dont understand your policy about no political comments or threads, it keeps me away and I'm sure many others. Biggest news story since 911 and we can''t discuss on this forum.


Because god forbid someone's feelings get hurt in an online forum thread
EricJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:08 pm : link
and BTW, many of Bernie's socialist supporters feel the same way.
RE: EricJ  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13534058 Eric from BBI said:
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There are millions of people who question John McCain's integrity. It sounds like there is a lot you don't know about John McCain. We'll have to leave it at that unless you want to e-mail me privately.


Don't you think the timing of your comment is a tad bit inappropriate and lacks class? Seems like your apology is just a half assed one to save face.
David in LA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:13 pm : link
Yup.
RE: EricJ  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13534061 Eric from BBI said:
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and BTW, many of Bernie's socialist supporters feel the same way.


This is completely unnecessary as well. As someone that you dislike would say, "they go low, we go high."
RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13534053 Eric from BBI said:
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I didn't realize "yikes" was that powerful of a word. My apologies.


Be honest with yourself. You said more than that. You took a very radical position vs a guy who's been a very solid moderate republican and public servant for his entire political career.

It was an absurd position to take and discredits the non-political mandate on the site. Looks like to me as long as you're a Trump nut swinger you're fine.
OK...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:15 pm : link
when the wife says I'm getting sucked into this again, I need to stop. Don't question the spouse.

I've said my piece.
RE: RE: The guy dedicated his life to this country  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13533979 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 13533968 PatersonPlank said:


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way more than anyone on this thread ever did. What does it matter what political affiliation he is? Why do people have to start with "I don't agree with his politics". McCain is a great American, full stop. Everyone has beliefs and opinions, and news flash most people don't agree with some of them.



because he's a warmonger and being a war hero shouldn't make that acceptable.


That's rich coming from a clown, who can rationalize just about every incidents of innocent civilians being killed by the police. Seriously, get the fuck out of here with your hypocritical bullshit.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2017 8:18 pm : link
I will simply reiterate what I said.

I don't agree with his politics or ethics. But I don't wish him any ill will. My "yikes" comment was in response to someone who made him sound like saint. I disagree.

That's all.
I think GiantFilthy should have stayed banned.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2017 8:23 pm : link
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Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:23 pm : link
"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.
The enemy of my enemy...  
Bill L : 7/20/2017 8:26 pm : link
?
R  
Bill2 : 7/20/2017 8:26 pm : link
Yes
Look I'm a definite Democrat  
montanagiant : 7/20/2017 8:29 pm : link
And there are times I thought McCain was all talk and no walk. More or less a pandering politician who plays the crowd. With that said you don't take away from McCain the fact that this is a man who sacrificed a ton for this country and his fellow service men.

You can disagree with someone without taking away the integrity of what they have done throughout their life
B  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:31 pm : link
Yes.
What Filthy did was disgusting  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:32 pm : link
Probably.
I posted a thread with a picture  
B in ALB : 7/20/2017 8:33 pm : link
of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.
RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13534093 B in ALB said:
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of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.


Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
We've become too extreme  
EddieNYG : 7/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.

The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.

John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.

The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.

I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.
RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 13534093 B in ALB said:


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of Chris Christie on a beach that was shut down to the public. But it was ok for the governor to do as he pleases and make rude comments to the public. That was deleted and deemed political despite the fact that no one mentioned anything other than how absurd it was and how fat he is. Weird.



Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.


Offensive.

Ban this man.
I'm offended by you being offended  
B in ALB : 7/20/2017 8:41 pm : link
Ban him.
RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13534083 David in LA said:
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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.


But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13534102 RC02XX said:
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In comment 13534083 David in LA said:


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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.



But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"


You are.
Honestly...  
RC02XX : 7/20/2017 8:44 pm : link
Tribalism.

That is all.
RE: We've become too extreme  
WillVAB : 7/20/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13534096 EddieNYG said:
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Both political parties have become either far right or far left. And when they get voted in, they don't govern based on their campaigns.

The media adds fuel to the fire and we really don't know what the truth is anymore. If you're liberal you're gonna believe the left leaning media. If you're conservative you're gonna believe the right leaning media.

John McCain is an American hero. But he is part of the problem in this country. He is a career politician and they've put us in massive debt and every law they pass seems to create more problems which results in more laws passing that create more problems. I don't understand how the Chuck Shumers, Mitch McConnell's, Nancy Pelosi and John McCain's of the world keep getting elected lol.

The problem with political discourse is that if you have an opinion which someone disagrees with, they usually personally attack you and take a "how the hell can someone have an opinion different than mine (mine is right!)" attitude.

I think it's smart not to discuss politics here. There are few places to go to get away from the political tension in this country, so it's refreshing. ESPN is having problems not only because of how much they charge, but because they push a political agenda down your throat and it's annoying. That's my opinion.


And the Paul Ryan's, tea party clowns, and other radical right donks that primary out conservatives are seriously attacking the debt? Get a grip.
RE: RE: Cool Eric, you could have just left this at  
David in LA : 7/20/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13534102 RC02XX said:
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In comment 13534083 David in LA said:


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"I crossed a line I shouldn't have, and apologize" and left it at that, yet you continue to throw in your qualifiers and justification of what you think of the man.



But is saying, "I apologize" really an apology? Or does he have to say, "I'm sorry?"


I can't answer that until Beez makes his final determination :-)
At times like this it is best to quote Mandela  
Deej : 7/20/2017 8:51 pm : link
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If Randy is not free, then none of us are truly free
Randy is only pawn  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 8:53 pm : link
In game of life.
RE: I think GiantFilthy should have stayed banned.  
Beezer : 7/20/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13534082 BrettNYG10 said:
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Fuck Ya!

Mer'ca!!!
RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
Les in TO : 7/20/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:
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Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.
lol
RE: RE: RE: I posted a thread with a picture  
leatherneck570 : 7/20/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13534124 Les in TO said:
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In comment 13534094 BrettNYG10 said:


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Seeing a whale lampooned like that put BBI at risk of being sued by PETA.

lol


Please don't encourage such hate speak.
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