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When A Player Gets "pumped up"

John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 7:11 pm
Arguing with some buddies over a beer.

Im not going to tell you who took which side.

But when a player gets pumped up, does it defacto mean,prior he wasnt trying his hardest? Thus does a pumped up player merely mean he is now giving his full?
It just means he trained with Hanz & Franz.  
Mad Mike : 7/20/2017 7:13 pm : link
No more, no less.
RE: It just means he trained with Hanz & Franz.  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13534014 Mad Mike said:
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No more, no less.
lol
Yes, that's what it means  
BlackLight : 7/20/2017 7:16 pm : link
But the flip side is that we over-value raw effort as a metric in determining someone's quality of play.

Playing harder doesn't mean playing better.
RE: Yes, that's what it means  
John from Atlanta : 7/20/2017 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13534017 BlackLight said:
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But the flip side is that we over-value raw effort as a metric in determining someone's quality of play.

Playing harder doesn't mean playing better.
cause playing ultra hard might lose the ability to think in react?
RE: RE: Yes, that's what it means  
BlackLight : 7/20/2017 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13534019 John from Atlanta said:
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In comment 13534017 BlackLight said:


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But the flip side is that we over-value raw effort as a metric in determining someone's quality of play.

Playing harder doesn't mean playing better.

cause playing ultra hard might lose the ability to think in react?


When you "know" what you're supposed to do in a competitive moment, the worst things you can do are *thinking* and *trying.* These behaviors override your instinct - which has already solved the problem in front of you.
It means that is adrenaline  
Keith : 7/20/2017 7:25 pm : link
is pumping and hes on the next level. Kind of like those stories of people picking up cars that someone is stuck under. You can't pick up a car any time, but when your adrenaline is pumping, you can do things physically that you normally cant.
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arcarsenal : 7/20/2017 7:26 pm : link
I don't know if I completely understand what you're asking but I think in a really physically demanding sport, you have to kind of choose your spots sometimes. It's hard to max out from the first whistle until the clock reads 0:00.

I think there's a small bit of strategy involved in energy conservation and knowing when to go 100% and when to keep a little in the tank.

I don't mean dogging it or taking plays off . I just mean that there's a certain point where you push yourself into overdrive - it's hard to sustain that for long periods of time.

It also depends on the athlete and the sport.
RE: It means that is adrenaline  
robbieballs2003 : 7/20/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13534024 Keith said:
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is pumping and hes on the next level. Kind of like those stories of people picking up cars that someone is stuck under. You can't pick up a car any time, but when your adrenaline is pumping, you can do things physically that you normally cant.


This. Being pissed off is another way of saying a couple of things. Usually when you are pissed you have more adrenaline which can increase somethings such as strength. Sometimes it coouds judgment. We are human. You cannot just flip a switch and have that adrenaline pumping constantly. If you are in a fight that is one thing. If your child is in danger that is another. It is possible with adrenaline to give more than your normal bets but it doesn't mean you didn't give your best if you didn't hve that extra help. Everybody has different motivation. Some can get "pumped" with music, some with visualization, some with fear. It isn't like taking a pill. Sometimes you can trick yourself into it and sometimes you cannot.
Odell said something about this last year...  
KentGraham : 7/20/2017 8:15 pm : link
... when speaking about how he was helping Shepard adjust to the NFL. He said something along the lines of not playing in your top gear so that you can kick it up a notch when necessary. It definitely works when he catches the ball and then in a blink of an eye he's gone.
Adrenaline  
Joey in VA : 7/20/2017 8:28 pm : link
Plays a role, situation plays a role, physiology plays a role, and when they all click together it's when you reach peak performance. It does have a distinct mental aspect to it, so you can almost feel it coming or prepare yourself for those moments as Odell alluded to. I'm old and stupid but football is very much an ebb and flow and you sort of do your job as well as you can then turn it on when needed, you can't always just go full bore with very few exceptions. Some guys go 100 mph every rep every day, that's just how they are and people HATE practicing with them sometimes because most of us wax and wane and need those lulls to prepare for the burst ahead.

It's not NOT trying, it's tempering, idling if you will until it's time to make that one cut or block or pass or whatever it is that may define a drive or a game.
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arcarsenal : 7/20/2017 8:39 pm : link
LeBron has mastered this as he's aged and has a smaller tank to work from than he did when he was in his 20's.

It's definitely not taking plays off or not trying - it's just that you keep yourself coasting and then identify those crucial moments where you absolutely have to make a play and you kick it into overdrive. There's a bit of an art to it.

The amount of energy you go into a game with is finite. There's a certain point where you become too exhausted to perform effectively. The goal is for the tank to be empty when the game ends but not before. So you have to manage what you have and strategically hit that gear in the right spots because it depletes your tank rapidly - think of it like "turbo" in a video game or something.

Some of you guys may remember late in the Week 16 game against the Eagles @ the Linc when we were down near the end of the game and were trying to drive. Beckham was going all out trying to get us down the field - he was getting the ball and literally trying to elude every person on the field. He went balls to the wall for a few plays in a row and then he was out of steam and then he could barely stand for a couple minutes.

Most of you will probably also remember the game where Toomer had to be carried off the field at the end because he literally left it all on the field.
RE: Odell said something about this last year...  
mattlawson : 7/20/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13534077 KentGraham said:
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... when speaking about how he was helping Shepard adjust to the NFL. He said something along the lines of not playing in your top gear so that you can kick it up a notch when necessary. It definitely works when he catches the ball and then in a blink of an eye he's gone.


amazes me as fast as he is, when that next gear makes an appearance.
To answer the question as stated:  
UberAlias : 7/21/2017 9:02 am : link
But when a player gets pumped up, does it defacto mean,prior he wasnt trying his hardest? Thus does a pumped up player merely mean he is now giving his full?

I don't know that I agree with this statement. A player can "try" their hardest without getting pumped up. Getting pumped up may help tap into adrenaline, as others have mentioned, but not doing so is not a function of "not trying". I work with my kids in wrestling and they have not learned how to influence their emotions (psyche themselves up) to help them a boost of strength and intensity. Does this mean they aren't trying as hard as they can? Of course not. They are merely developing as athletes and still learning and the emotional aspect is something they have not mastered.

Also, sometimes when my older son gets angered in a match he gets "pumped up" but it results in him becoming wild and reckless. So is getting pumped always a good thing? Not necessarily, and I think it would have to be if we wanted to flatly equate it with trying. In baseball do you always want your hitter getting amped up and swinging for the fences? Probably not. How about golf? Could a linemen lose focus and jump off sides because they got themselves so psyched up? Sure, and this hurts the team.

But you always want your players trying as hard as they can right?

So getting pumped up is one strategy to help improve your performance. But can you blindly state that without employing that particular strategy you aren't trying? Of course not.
There is no try  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2017 9:26 am : link
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