for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Yanks talk 7-21 A's want Mateo

superspynyg : 7/21/2017 8:15 am
If a trade for Sonny Gray was to happen, the A's have said (or strongly indicated) that they want ss/22 prospect Jorge Mateo to be the main piece. A's scouts have been seen at Thunder games watching Mateo and others.

No link.

Gray sports a 3.66 era with a 1.18 whip and is under control until 2020. Yanks need SP help if they do plan to compete.

I know a lot of you do not like Gray but if this does happen it clears a lot of questions. Its better than a 1 year rental for a pitcher. We still have our corp of Torres, Didi, Castro (either 3b or 2b) Fraizer and Judge plus we have Hicks and Ellsbury (uggggggghhhhhh) until Florial is ready to play CF (he is our future cf).

I fine if we don't trade for Gray. But the trade for Todd Frazier was pointless if we don't add a pitcher some where.

I think that a second block buster Gray and Alonzo may be in the works, I just hope we don't do anything stupid and give up the farm.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
You trade high on Didi abs Castro  
Phil in LA : 7/21/2017 2:14 pm : link
Because they don't walk.
I'm fine with keeping Didi though  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 2:18 pm : link
Because he provides quality D at SS. I'd deal Castro in a heartbeat, though.
RE: You trade high on Didi abs Castro  
rich in DC : 7/21/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13534922 Phil in LA said:
Quote:
Because they don't walk.


THIS

People get fooled by the power, but we learned time and time again in the early 2000s that a team reliant on HR struggles in the playoffs when they face better pitching.

The Yanks need guys who will get on base and all big innings to develop while wearing down the SP and bullpen in a playoff series.

That is why I keep saying that this is NOT a team ready for contention- and we need to wait a year or two before going "all in." They have a number of key pieces working their way through the system- Torres, Mateo, and Frazier are going to play big roles in the "have power but get on base a LOT" group eventually. Bird will as well when he recovers.

The SP is coming fast too- along with power bullpen arms. The Yanks might NOT add Adams this year because he does NOT need to be protected from the Rule 5 draft this winter- and would take away a valuable roster spot from someone else.

Caleb Smith should be allowed to start as often as he can in the second half to find out if he is a SP- with the backup plan being a power lefty arm in the pen.

Acevedo is doing quite well in AA and AAA starts- and could be ready by mid-season next year. Best case is he might be a front-end SP. Worst case, he's the next Betances.

We won't know what they have in Kap and Schmidt until next spring- but once both knock the rust off in April, they will likely be in AA and less than a year from the bigs- with potentially very high ceilings.

The Yanks are going to make some very difficult decisions this winter and into next year- some will be very unpopular with the fan base. Nevertheless, the bottom line is that this season's goal has been- and remains- treading water in the AL until the next wave arrives in 2018 and 2019.
RE: I'm fine with keeping Didi though  
DennyInDenville : 7/21/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13534929 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Because he provides quality D at SS. I'd deal Castro in a heartbeat, though.

Plus he's a lefty which we are short on going into the future

One or both of them is definitely getting sold imo at some time in the next year. I'd much rather move Castro but if they move both I would think Didi would bring back a pretty damn good package
RE: RE: I'm fine with keeping Didi though  
Beer Man : 7/21/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13534982 DennyInDenville said:
Quote:
In comment 13534929 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


Because he provides quality D at SS. I'd deal Castro in a heartbeat, though.


Plus he's a lefty which we are short on going into the future

One or both of them is definitely getting sold imo at some time in the next year. I'd much rather move Castro but if they move both I would think Didi would bring back a pretty damn good package
Agree. Our 4 big lefty hopefuls in the minors were Fowler, Rutherford, Florial, and McKinney. Rutherford has been traded, Fowler is badly injured, McKinney is a Rule-5 candidate, and Florial is only in single-A.
I hope the Yankees listen to Phil  
arniefez : 7/21/2017 2:57 pm : link
Keep Mateo. Trade Castro not only is he a low OBP hitter but he's a bad 2B. Didi is a good SS not close to great but MLB average or a little above.
Victor in CT  
arniefez : 7/21/2017 2:59 pm : link
Trust me you don't want to see Andujar play 3B for the Yankees anytime soon. Maybe someday but not now.
Cashman harped on Mateo's versatility as well.  
davek3698 : 7/21/2017 3:12 pm : link
Mentioned keeping him predominately at SS for the time being, but added he could easily become a top notch CF as well. His speed is what his peers don't have and what I think (hope) keeps him in the organization. As rare as Judge's power.
i'd be patient overall  
RasputinPrime : 7/21/2017 3:35 pm : link
but i'm not in favor of trading any of our top prospects for the starters being discussed. They all have injury issues. No thanks.

I could be persuaded if we could dump Headley and Ellsbury in the process however.
For what its worth the A's signed Chris Carter today.  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/21/2017 5:27 pm : link
Its a minor league deal. I guess they won't need Mateo.
What a luxury  
JerryNYG : 7/21/2017 5:37 pm : link
to have an embarresment of riches at multiple positions in our system.

I don't want to go back to the old ways of signing FA for most positions, but realistically we can't protect all of oir good prospects from Rule 5, or find them MLB roster playing time. Some of them will be packaged to deal from strength to shore up weakness. In Cashman We Trust.
RE: RE: Cashman raved about Mateo  
JerryNYG : 7/21/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13534617 Beer Man said:
Quote:
In comment 13534600 davek3698 said:


Quote:




But then again, the Yanks have a history of this type of hype when trying to trade their farm talent.


Exactly! Remember Montero? No? Me neither...
Yankees lineup today: 7/21/17  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 7:02 pm : link
Gardner - CF
Sanchez - C
Judge - RF
Holliday - DH
Castro - 2B
Gregorius - SS
T. Frazier - 3B
Headley - 1B
C. Frazier - LF

Sabathia
Lineup in total  
bigbluehoya : 7/21/2017 7:08 pm : link
Looking much stronger vs a week ago, but the order is still a little sub-optimal IMO
Ginger needs to be moved up.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 7:11 pm : link
Girardi's really irritating me lately.
Mateo gets night off  
EddieNYG : 7/21/2017 7:54 pm : link
As trade rumors swirl...
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Lineup in total  
Dang Man : 7/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13535430 bigbluehoya said:
Quote:
Looking much stronger vs a week ago, but the order is still a little sub-optimal IMO


Agree. Don't love Danchez hitting in front of Judge. Too many swings and misses. I like Danchez better in the 6 hole with 1-5 of Gerdner, C Frazier, Judge, Holiday and Castro. I also like the flexibility of having Didi hit second and you can drop C Frazier to 5th or 6th.
Looking ahead to 2018  
arniefez : 7/22/2017 3:46 pm : link
with the money coming off the books and factoring in arbitration raises the Yankees probably can add about 20M in salary and still stay under tax. Something to keep in mind at the trade deadline. Of course they have to stay under the entire year of 2018 to reset the tax.
RE: Looking ahead to 2018  
DennyInDenville : 7/22/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13536099 arniefez said:
Quote:
with the money coming off the books and factoring in arbitration raises the Yankees probably can add about 20M in salary and still stay under tax. Something to keep in mind at the trade deadline. Of course they have to stay under the entire year of 2018 to reset the tax.

That's amazing. Just in time for the top off too (Harper, Machado, Keuchel and Miller)
Players coming off the books  
arniefez : 7/22/2017 7:24 pm : link
CC 25M
Arod 21M
Holiday 13M
Pimeda 7M
Clippard 6.5M
Carter 3.5M

about 75M coming off the books which would put them way below.

But the starting rotation is going to missing pieces and several arbitration players will get raises that could total 10 -15 million added together. Plus Robertson was added for 13M next year. Which cancels out Holiday who I do not expect back.

MLB Payroll at the start of 2017 was 196M. That doesn't include benefits etc which count and are about another 10%.

in order to get below the tax in 2019 payroll needs to be about 180 max at any time all year in 2018. 2018 tax threshold is 197M.

Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner