The Twins are finalizing a deal with the Atlanta Braves for LHP Jaime Garcia. They are finalizing the terms and there appears to be a holdup over how much of Garcia's remaining salary Atlanta will pick up. If the deal falls apart there are reportedly 5 other teams with strong interest in Garcia.
The Dodgers have inquired on Gerrit Cole and Julio Teheran. They also have expressed interest in relievers Justin Wilson, Zach Britton, and Brad Hand.
The Dodgers have DFA Sergio Romo. I expect the Nationals to show interest.
Britton has been on the DL, he's just getting back this past week so his numbers aren't going to look as impressive
He was hurt. on the dl for 2 months. he looks great now.
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They are going for it. Also, Britton isn't the same in terms of numbers. I haven't seen him pitch but his numbers are not what they used to be. Buyer beware.
Britton has been on the DL, he's just getting back this past week so his numbers aren't going to look as impressive
Exactly, he was on the DL for a reason and hasn't pitched well at all.
7 appearances, 7 innings, 4 ER, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks, 0 saves.
Exactly, he was on the DL for a reason and hasn't pitched well at all.
7 appearances, 7 innings, 4 ER, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks, 0 saves.
His FIP is still only 3.07 which isn't his usual but most teams would take it. He will improve as the season progresses.
This isn't me predicting that his elbow will fall off nor is it me predicting he will be fine. Obviously if there are no lingering effects of the elbow injury then I am sure he will be fine but having an elbow injury, being out for awhile, and not being sharp in 7 appearances since being back has me concerned. I don't know what to tell you guys if you don't understand that point.
This isn't me predicting that his elbow will fall off nor is it me predicting he will be fine. Obviously if there are no lingering effects of the elbow injury then I am sure he will be fine but having an elbow injury, being out for awhile, and not being sharp in 7 appearances since being back has me concerned. I don't know what to tell you guys if you don't understand that point.
I agree with you and I personally wouldn't trade for him. However, a win now team like the Dodgers with a solid farm system and money to burn can afford to take the chance.
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The Royals farm system is awful.
It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on
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The Royals farm system is awful.
It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on
I was reading up on the Royals prospects yesterday after it was reported that they were interested in Garcia. Staumont is the type of arm the Braves target. He is a strikeout machine but his control is awful. 63BB/93K in 76 IP. Kyle Zimmer is a buy low candidate too that is somewhat intriguing.
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The Royals farm system is awful.
It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on
Isn't strahm out for the season?
Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?
Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?
It's expected to be roughly 18.1
Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?
Duda can't. It's his absolute last chance at a big pay day/long term contract. He's 32. Maybe he can land a 3-4 year deal but waiting until 33-34 would be suicide. Bruce? Maybe. Especially if he cools off in the second half again. Realistically, he's looking for a 4-5 year deal with a strong second half at 29. I think they both pass but either way it's a win for the Mets. I'd love either back on a one year deal. IF that's the worst case scenario? Sign me up.
Indians showing interest as a fallback option
Does Moustakas make sense for the Mets next year?
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But I think Duda and Bruce would both be at least 50/50 to accept the QO and I'm tempted to say "more likely than not" that they accept.
Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?
Duda can't. It's his absolute last chance at a big pay day/long term contract. He's 32. Maybe he can land a 3-4 year deal but waiting until 33-34 would be suicide. Bruce? Maybe. Especially if he cools off in the second half again. Realistically, he's looking for a 4-5 year deal with a strong second half at 29. I think they both pass but either way it's a win for the Mets. I'd love either back on a one year deal. IF that's the worst case scenario? Sign me up.
Can't keep kicking the can down the road spending big chunks of the annual payroll on short term guys who aren't good enough to keep around long term when we have other weaknesses that need to be addressed. In a vacuum it makes sense to not want to lose an asset for nothing, but in terms of assembling an overall team it has proven to have too many opportunity costs.
For too long the theory has been "5 aces" and stockpile whatever other flawed talents we can find on non risky contracts and then let Collins figure out how to fit the pieces together (which he sucks at btw). If we truly had 5 aces and they stayed healthy like 2015 that could have worked, but we can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Need to assemble a balanced roster across the board (and pray at least 3/5 starters can get through a regular season healthy).
Does Moustakas make sense for the Mets next year?
I doubt the Mets are going to pony up the price he will cost.
We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.
We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?
JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
Donaldson has 1 year left.
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capone is legit. I have no doubts.
Bruce is having close to a career year and is still going to have a hard time being worth what the QO costs. If he reverts back to his career norm next year, along with his HORRIBLE defense, that's a huge sunk cost. Also, where is Bruce going to play? Are people suggesting that we make Conforto our full time CF?
Hard PASS on bringing Bruce back next year. There's a reason that no one else in MLB wants the guy and that he's been untradeable on a $12M contract both in the pre-season, and even close to the deadline during a career year. Why would you want to pay him more than that?
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haven't heard anything on the Blue Jays. Are they sellers? Bautista and I believe Donaldson are free agents and Stroman would get them a lot of prospects.
Donaldson has 1 year left.
Thanks for the info.
I have zero disagreement that the team needs to have veterans, we just need to be much smarter about resource allocation than we were with Neil Walker this year. If the above guys can lock themselves in as starters going forward, with Cespedes obviously locked into LF, there's a ton of money to upgrade the rest of the team.
JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
You clearly meant good players instead of flawed. Obviously Bruce's flaw is his defense with Duda's being his health. Unfortunately for the Mets now that the Yankees are no longer searching for a first baseman no contending team is in need of a first baseman. The same goes for contenders in the AL in search of DH's. Now obviously a serious injury could occur which could change all of that but as of now I don't think Duda is going anywhere.
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.
We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?
JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be called out. You CLEARLY said that you disagreed they were flawed players. That's just ridiculous. The Mets have been trying to trade Bruce since the offseason. If he was half as awesome as you think he is, there would certainly be a ton of interest, no?
It's ok to admit that players on your favorite team are flawed. Every player is flawed.
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capone is legit. I have no doubts.
Dan what do you think of O'neil? I'm not all that concerned with what we get for Duda, and it seems like any prospect that's realistically a top 100 type would be solid. Though, all things considered I'd prefer a younger low level player with more upside than higher level guys who don't appear to be breaking through (like Nimmo, Herrera types).
Have your back on Duda, but puke on Bruce. Sorry for the rant, but I just don't want him back. Roll with Lagares/Nimmo in CF or sign someone, but please don't try to play 3 corner OFs again.
I'm open to keeping Duda on a one year deal next year, but something has to happen with Smith who looks like he's ready. Neither guy has any flexibility to play elsewhere. Maybe NL will add a DH for us.
How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR.
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JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
You clearly meant good players instead of flawed. Obviously Bruce's flaw is his defense with Duda's being his health. Unfortunately for the Mets now that the Yankees are no longer searching for a first baseman no contending team is in need of a first baseman. The same goes for contenders in the AL in search of DH's. Now obviously a serious injury could occur which could change all of that but as of now I don't think Duda is going anywhere.
I don't necessarily think the Yanks are out of the market for a 1st baseman. Chase Headley doesn't really put an end to that. He just happens to be the only thing they have. I absolutely think they would deal for a 1st baseman if the opportunity presented itself. Headley is garbage.
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Dan what do you think of O'neil? I'm not all that concerned with what we get for Duda, and it seems like any prospect that's realistically a top 100 type would be solid. Though, all things considered I'd prefer a younger low level player with more upside than higher level guys who don't appear to be breaking through (like Nimmo, Herrera types).
HUGE power, holes in his swing. Would have done it 100%. Disappointed that we didn't. Could be an MLB starting OF in the Pat Burrell but well see what they end up with.
Yeah that's kind of what I said too. He's the more likely of the two. Depends on his second half. If he can show a full year without a significant cold streak it's going to help him big time. If he goes into a huge second half slide? Sure. Then he might accept. As of today they both look like a no though.
You move on with YC in left. Rosario at SS and Conforto in right.
Ideally I'd like to see Smith sometime soon so we can watch and evaluate whether or not he's ready to assume duties at 1b next year. If not, I'm fine with Duda for another year.
Big no to Cabrera and I don't even want Reyes around.
With all the money coming off the books it would be nice to add a legitimate 3b (Moustakas) and they still need a legitimate innings eater/#3 man in the rotation.
Moustakas-Conforto-YC middle of the lineup is not bad.
CF you still have Lagares/Nimmo
2b, TJ and Flores
C, TDA and Rivera
With more money to go around for upgrades at any of these positions.
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corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.
How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR. Link - ( New Window )
You really think Conforto is the future CF of the team? How about we try to actually have PLUS players in positions instead of guys who can just maybe fit there it things go well.
Bruce is having a career year and regression is almost certain to happen. Again, there's a reason that the other GMs won't give up anything for the guy. Half a season as the 11th best RF doesn't make the guy a top 10 going forward.
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.
We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?
JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be called out. You CLEARLY said that you disagreed they were flawed players. That's just ridiculous. The Mets have been trying to trade Bruce since the offseason. If he was half as awesome as you think he is, there would certainly be a ton of interest, no?
It's ok to admit that players on your favorite team are flawed. Every player is flawed.
So if every player is flawed, which I agree with, how is the person that made the statement in the first place not attacked? I thought we were talking about in the context of what our options are going to be for next year. If every player is flawed and you want to take everything literally, blast Eric for calling them flawed when every player on earth is.
Bunch of asshole ticky tack bullshit the last few days.
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corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.
How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR. Link - ( New Window )
You really think Conforto is the future CF of the team? How about we try to actually have PLUS players in positions instead of guys who can just maybe fit there it things go well.
Bruce is having a career year and regression is almost certain to happen. Again, there's a reason that the other GMs won't give up anything for the guy. Half a season as the 11th best RF doesn't make the guy a top 10 going forward.
You know. I was arguing the same thing last offseason but Conforto dropped some weight and has looked really good out in CF this year. I wouldn't want him there forever but I think he's young enough to stay there for another 3-4 years. You still have Lagares backing him up. I think he's probably at least as good as Nimmo would be who is likely an option there if Conforto does move over.
How does this kid project as a future CFer? Can he be as good as or better than his old man? Cameron was always a personal favorite of mine. Would love to see him here, but obviously not for Jake who I don't want trade.
How does this kid project as a future CFer? Can he be as good as or better than his old man? Cameron was always a personal favorite of mine. Would love to see him here, but obviously not for Jake who I don't want trade.
Daz has had very negative reports this season. Looks like a 4th OF if he's a big leaguer. Previously was a HUGE HS star, star has faded.
I know he's having a terrible year, but I'd much rather throw a big 1 year deal at Lucroy hoping for a bounceback than Bruce. Bruce is a good power hitter. He's an above average overall player, but he is what he is.
I just think instead of a solid defensive CF, why not put him at corner OF where maybe he can be elite, along with Cespedes (if somehow he's healthy), and role with our in-house CF options and maybe add a cheaper bad-first corner OF and use the savings to try and upgrade our horrible IF.
Lagares is certainly a health risk at this point, but was worth a win in 47 games this year, and that's without getting every day ABs or CF time.
He's done, whether he retires or just continues to stay on the DL, he's done and will no longer factor into the Mets plans.
Moustakas is going to command a lot of money. He is having a great season 25 homeruns already and an .850 OPS. Teams in need of 3B with room to spend this offseason include the Yankees, Braves, Mets, Red Sox, etc.
I am sorry but I have to disagree on Duda. The Mets cannot afford to take the chance that he will accept the QO. He is not worth that money. More players like Duda are accepting QO. Bruce may be worth the money, but he doesn't fit the Mets. He has no position in the Mets OF. Therefore, the Mets really cannot take a chance for Bruce to accept the QO. This Russian roulette is not what the Mets need to play.
I just think instead of a solid defensive CF, why not put him at corner OF where maybe he can be elite, along with Cespedes (if somehow he's healthy), and role with our in-house CF options and maybe add a cheaper bad-first corner OF and use the savings to try and upgrade our horrible IF.
Lagares is certainly a health risk at this point, but was worth a win in 47 games this year, and that's without getting every day ABs or CF time.
I'm fine with that but how many positions are we going to do that with? If Walker leaves are we going with TJ/Cheech? If Duda leaves are we going with Smith? We know Rosario is going to be at SS. I don't see too many better options than TDA so we are likely going to roll with him again. If we are also going with Nimmo/Lagares in CF (which I don't hate) where are we spending? I could see one starting pitcher and few bullpen arms but that's not 60 million worth. I just can't see us going with so many kids all at once if we are expecting to compete next year.
Torres is a SS who had been playing at 3B in an attempt to help the team this year. He is much more likely to be the Yankees future SS or 2B than he is 3B. I agree that Moustakas makes a lot of sense for the Mets I was just wondering if they would be willing to meet his asking price. If Duda and Bruce were both gone that would likely increase their chances.
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Aaron Blair flew to L.A. and is on standby in case Jaime Garcia is traded today, source confirms. #Braves
What kind of return are they expecting? I mean, he's been ok, but it's Jamie Garcia.
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Braves reportedly will start Garcia tonight. Apparently the talks with the Twins prompted other teams to get involved. This is a risky move for the Braves unless the return from the Twins was less than expected.
What kind of return are they expecting? I mean, he's been ok, but it's Jamie Garcia.
Honestly I am not sure. They aren't getting their top prospects but the rumor was that the original deal was for just one so it was probably in their 5-12 range. The Twins system isn't that great but Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, and Alex Kirilloff are very good prospects and likely not involved. There are some intriguing prospects though like 3B Travis Blackenhorn, C Mitch Garver, and a lottery ticket like rookie ball 3B Jose Miranda.
The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.
The A's asking price for Gray is equal to Quintana which means the Yankees will likely pass as they should.
Sources: Garcia trade stalled due to #Braves medical concern on #Twins prospect. Still could revive, but both teams working alternatives.
Kirilloff is coming off TJ surgery but I can't imagine that they would give him up for Garcia unless the Braves were sending a reliever or a lesser prospect along with him.
Is this a rumor or wishful thinking. Can you provide info on who is Dustin May?
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May in a Reed deal, thanks!
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He would be a very good get for a rental, clean injury wise, 6 foot 6 can fill out , high ceiling , still working as a starter
The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.
who wouldn't want Justin Verlander?
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Is this a rumor or wishful thinking. Can you provide info on who is Dustin May?
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Total wishful thinking. 6'6 kid with long red hair. Highly protectable. Think Stndergaard starter kid. Kind of guy you target from the Dodgers since he's 2 or so years away and they are trying to win now. Could develop into a top guy if all goes right.
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The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.
who wouldn't want Justin Verlander?
He is 34, having a down year, and he makes a lot of money. His ERA is 4.54 his walk rate has nearly doubled from last season and his K rate went from 10/per9 to 8.5/ per 9. He makes 28 million per season through 2019 with a 22 million vesting option for 2020.
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I'm not real enthused about giving up good prospects for Duda as a rental, but that trade seems ludicrous for the Mets. Refsnyder may be the next Daniel Murphy? Come on now. As a Yankee fan I would do that deal in a heartbeat. I've had about enough of Chase Headley, but why would the Mets do that? I also don't agree with Sherman that the Mets wouldn't offer him the QO.
And Jay Bruce for Nate Karns? They don't have enough problems with Harvey, they'd want to take in another guy with the same injury?
There is a reason he's available in the first place but at 6'8 91-94 for a guy the Mets 100% aren't keeping its as good as they can expect. I'd take anything quasi interesting for him
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Two trades should have been completed already yesterday
Two trades should have been completed already yesterday
They are overly cautious to a fault.
I'd love to see them try to pull that off. Their minor league system is not very deep. Are they prepared to give up Adames, Honeywell, Bauers and Lowe (some package of those, not all) for those two guys? Because that's about what they have to offer unless Texas is willing to take lesser prospects, in which case teams like the Yankees and Cubs can blow them away.
Puke. No thanks.
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regarding Jaime Garcia.
Puke. No thanks.
Estevan Florial please :)
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regarding Jaime Garcia.
Puke. No thanks.
Estevan Florial please :)
Haha. The Braves should have to throw in Acuna just to get the Yanks to take Garcia. He sucks balls.
Haha. The Braves should have to throw in Acuna just to get the Yanks to take Garcia. He sucks balls.
Garcia doesn't "suck balls." He isn't a front of the rotation starter but he could be a very solid #4 or #5 pitcher for a contender. He has a career FIP of 3.63 and he has a decent 4.14 FIP this season. He has pitched much better as of late.
I'm sure a major part of it is how much more Gray would cost. I'm sure pound for pound they would prefer Gray. Garcia isn't a guy you would want starting game 1-3 of the playoffs, Gray in theory might be.
I think it's an overpay but given the SP market it's probably a fair ask.
I'm sure a major part of it is how much more Gray would cost. I'm sure pound for pound they would prefer Gray. Garcia isn't a guy you would want starting game 1-3 of the playoffs, Gray in theory might be.
I wasn't suggesting that Garcia was that pitcher. Due to cost he will likely be sought after because he won't command a top prospect in return like Gray or Darvish will. The Astros already have their top 3 SP's for the playoffs. Garcia could be their 4th starter as he does have playoff experience. I wonder how much more it would take to land Derek Fisher. The Astros have an embarrassment of riches in the OF. Springer, Gonzalez, Marisnick, and Reddick in the majors with tops prospects Kyle Tucker, Derek Fisher, and Teoscar Hernandez in the minors.
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Is Teoscar Hernandez for Garcia a fair deal?
I think it's an overpay but given the SP market it's probably a fair ask.
I would happily throw in Jim Johnson or Jose Ramirez to get Hernandez. I would add Vizcaino as well if they would take Markakis in return which would free up a spot for Hernandez who appears MLB ready.
I am hoping that since they are so deep there might be willing to deal Hernandez as the Braves need to get younger in the corners next season. Ronald Acuna will be up in RF perhaps as early as opening day but the next closest prospect is Dustin Peterson and there is questions on whether or not he has the power to start in LF. Hernandez would form a very exciting young trio with Inciarte and Acuna.
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Source: Mets getting interest in Reed, Cabrera and even Duda. Not much on Bruce or Granderson.
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Source: Mets getting interest in Reed, Cabrera and even Duda. Not much on Bruce or Granderson.
Bruce is the only guy I'm warming up to them hanging on to. If he takes the 1 year deal next year that's not the worst thing.
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Source confirms: Maurer, Cahill, Butcher to #Royals for Travis Wood, Matt Strahm and Esteury Ruiz. @RobertMurrayFRS and @JeffPassan on it.
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Source: Mets getting interest in Reed, Cabrera and even Duda. Not much on Bruce or Granderson.
Bruce is the only guy I'm warming up to them hanging on to. If he takes the 1 year deal next year that's not the worst thing.
they need an athletic CF in the worse way. Bruce cannot play CF