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Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 9:42 am
The Twins are finalizing a deal with the Atlanta Braves for LHP Jaime Garcia. They are finalizing the terms and there appears to be a holdup over how much of Garcia's remaining salary Atlanta will pick up. If the deal falls apart there are reportedly 5 other teams with strong interest in Garcia.

The Dodgers have inquired on Gerrit Cole and Julio Teheran. They also have expressed interest in relievers Justin Wilson, Zach Britton, and Brad Hand.

The Dodgers have DFA Sergio Romo. I expect the Nationals to show interest.
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Don't the Dodgers have like 8 SPs already?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 9:45 am : link
They are going for it. Also, Britton isn't the same in terms of numbers. I haven't seen him pitch but his numbers are not what they used to be. Buyer beware.
RE: Don't the Dodgers have like 8 SPs already?  
BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13534481 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are going for it. Also, Britton isn't the same in terms of numbers. I haven't seen him pitch but his numbers are not what they used to be. Buyer beware.

Britton has been on the DL, he's just getting back this past week so his numbers aren't going to look as impressive
RE: Don't the Dodgers have like 8 SPs already?  
superspynyg : 7/21/2017 9:53 am : link
In comment 13534481 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are going for it. Also, Britton isn't the same in terms of numbers. I haven't seen him pitch but his numbers are not what they used to be. Buyer beware.



He was hurt. on the dl for 2 months. he looks great now.
RE: RE: Don't the Dodgers have like 8 SPs already?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 9:56 am : link
In comment 13534485 BigBlueShock said:
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They are going for it. Also, Britton isn't the same in terms of numbers. I haven't seen him pitch but his numbers are not what they used to be. Buyer beware.


Britton has been on the DL, he's just getting back this past week so his numbers aren't going to look as impressive


Exactly, he was on the DL for a reason and hasn't pitched well at all.

7 appearances, 7 innings, 4 ER, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks, 0 saves.
RE: RE: RE: Don't the Dodgers have like 8 SPs already?  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13534501 robbieballs2003 said:
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Exactly, he was on the DL for a reason and hasn't pitched well at all.

7 appearances, 7 innings, 4 ER, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks, 0 saves.

His FIP is still only 3.07 which isn't his usual but most teams would take it. He will improve as the season progresses.
My point is simple wirh Britton  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 10:27 am : link
I am not questioning him as a pitcher. All I am saying is that putting a pitcher on the DL for like 60 days or whatever it was for some type of elbow injury wpuld have me very concerned especially since he hasn't pitched great since coming back. That is it hence the buyer beware comment.

This isn't me predicting that his elbow will fall off nor is it me predicting he will be fine. Obviously if there are no lingering effects of the elbow injury then I am sure he will be fine but having an elbow injury, being out for awhile, and not being sharp in 7 appearances since being back has me concerned. I don't know what to tell you guys if you don't understand that point.
RE: My point is simple wirh Britton  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13534547 robbieballs2003 said:
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I am not questioning him as a pitcher. All I am saying is that putting a pitcher on the DL for like 60 days or whatever it was for some type of elbow injury wpuld have me very concerned especially since he hasn't pitched great since coming back. That is it hence the buyer beware comment.

This isn't me predicting that his elbow will fall off nor is it me predicting he will be fine. Obviously if there are no lingering effects of the elbow injury then I am sure he will be fine but having an elbow injury, being out for awhile, and not being sharp in 7 appearances since being back has me concerned. I don't know what to tell you guys if you don't understand that point.

I agree with you and I personally wouldn't trade for him. However, a win now team like the Dodgers with a solid farm system and money to burn can afford to take the chance.
Yeah, but it comes down to risk reward and value.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 10:36 am : link
I wonder what the asking price of Britton would be? Obviously, the Orioles will want a lot in return. But the good rhing this year for the Dodgers is that were seems ro be a lot of RPs available and with Jansen as the closer I don't think they need to pay for a guy like Britton. If he comes at a reasonable price then he is definitely worth discussing. I think it is looking like a 3 team race right now with Houston, Washington, and the Dodgers. I think if I had to guess right now we are looking at a Dodgers Astros WS.
Could today be the day  
Shecky : 7/21/2017 10:37 am : link
That the little Indian rain dance, starts the storms brewing? Let's hope it starts to rain today
Get  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 10:48 am : link
Chang or Diaz thanks Sandy
Still waiting for a Reed, Bruce or Duda trade  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 10:54 am : link
for the Mets.
If  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 11:01 am : link
the Royals are buyers I'd buy low on

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Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 11:14 am : link
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The Royals farm system is awful.
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DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 11:18 am : link
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It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on
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Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 11:36 am : link
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It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on

I was reading up on the Royals prospects yesterday after it was reported that they were interested in Garcia. Staumont is the type of arm the Braves target. He is a strikeout machine but his control is awful. 63BB/93K in 76 IP. Kyle Zimmer is a buy low candidate too that is somewhat intriguing.
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CromartiesKid21 : 7/21/2017 11:44 am : link
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It is. Which is why I'd buy low on a live armed lefty like Strahm. 95 from the left side isn't exactly easy to find. Staumont is another guy you might gamble on

Isn't strahm out for the season?
He  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 11:46 am : link
is. But it was knee surgery so he should be good to go in ST which is would be the only consideration for the Mets selling off a Duda or Reed etc.
I still say  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 11:51 am : link
The Mets can offer Duda and Bruce QO and neither will accept so the returns need to at least be "decent".
Guys like Cabrera I could literally care less about..  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 11:52 am : link
Hopefully something interesting but I'm not going crazy either way.
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 11:53 am : link
consider Strahm more than decent. 3-4 starter upside with the downside of a plus reliever. Really strong pure stuff. Chang and Diaz from Cleveland both interest me.
Not a Mets fan  
bigbluehoya : 7/21/2017 11:54 am : link
But I think Duda and Bruce would both be at least 50/50 to accept the QO and I'm tempted to say "more likely than not" that they accept.

Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?
RE: Not a Mets fan  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13534664 bigbluehoya said:
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But I think Duda and Bruce would both be at least 50/50 to accept the QO and I'm tempted to say "more likely than not" that they accept.

Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?


It's expected to be roughly 18.1
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ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13534664 bigbluehoya said:
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But I think Duda and Bruce would both be at least 50/50 to accept the QO and I'm tempted to say "more likely than not" that they accept.

Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?


Duda can't. It's his absolute last chance at a big pay day/long term contract. He's 32. Maybe he can land a 3-4 year deal but waiting until 33-34 would be suicide. Bruce? Maybe. Especially if he cools off in the second half again. Realistically, he's looking for a 4-5 year deal with a strong second half at 29. I think they both pass but either way it's a win for the Mets. I'd love either back on a one year deal. IF that's the worst case scenario? Sign me up.
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Rory : 7/21/2017 12:05 pm : link
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Hopefully something interesting but I'm not going crazy either way.


Indians showing interest as a fallback option
Have to think Justin Wilson  
Rory : 7/21/2017 12:06 pm : link
is moved today. Alot of noise in Detroit with him this week.

Does Moustakas make sense for the Mets next year?
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Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 12:18 pm : link
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But I think Duda and Bruce would both be at least 50/50 to accept the QO and I'm tempted to say "more likely than not" that they accept.

Isn't the QO up to $17-18m?



Duda can't. It's his absolute last chance at a big pay day/long term contract. He's 32. Maybe he can land a 3-4 year deal but waiting until 33-34 would be suicide. Bruce? Maybe. Especially if he cools off in the second half again. Realistically, he's looking for a 4-5 year deal with a strong second half at 29. I think they both pass but either way it's a win for the Mets. I'd love either back on a one year deal. IF that's the worst case scenario? Sign me up.


Can't keep kicking the can down the road spending big chunks of the annual payroll on short term guys who aren't good enough to keep around long term when we have other weaknesses that need to be addressed. In a vacuum it makes sense to not want to lose an asset for nothing, but in terms of assembling an overall team it has proven to have too many opportunity costs.

For too long the theory has been "5 aces" and stockpile whatever other flawed talents we can find on non risky contracts and then let Collins figure out how to fit the pieces together (which he sucks at btw). If we truly had 5 aces and they stayed healthy like 2015 that could have worked, but we can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Need to assemble a balanced roster across the board (and pray at least 3/5 starters can get through a regular season healthy).
Interesting to hear that Cole may still be in play...  
Milton : 7/21/2017 12:23 pm : link
Although that could be old news with the Pirates on a five game winning streak and back in contention for the NL Central Title.
RE: Have to think Justin Wilson  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 12:25 pm : link
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is moved today. Alot of noise in Detroit with him this week.

Does Moustakas make sense for the Mets next year?


I doubt the Mets are going to pony up the price he will cost.
Again,  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 12:40 pm : link
Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.

We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.
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BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 12:42 pm : link
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.

We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.

You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?
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ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 12:47 pm : link
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.

We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.


You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?


JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?
I  
mitch300 : 7/21/2017 12:48 pm : link
haven't heard anything on the Blue Jays. Are they sellers? Bautista and I believe Donaldson are free agents and Stroman would get them a lot of prospects.
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DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13534730 mitch300 said:
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haven't heard anything on the Blue Jays. Are they sellers? Bautista and I believe Donaldson are free agents and Stroman would get them a lot of prospects.


Donaldson has 1 year left.
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capone is legit. I have no doubts.
Duda's flaw is his  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 12:55 pm : link
healthy. He's otherwise an above average first basemen.

Bruce is having close to a career year and is still going to have a hard time being worth what the QO costs. If he reverts back to his career norm next year, along with his HORRIBLE defense, that's a huge sunk cost. Also, where is Bruce going to play? Are people suggesting that we make Conforto our full time CF?

Hard PASS on bringing Bruce back next year. There's a reason that no one else in MLB wants the guy and that he's been untradeable on a $12M contract both in the pre-season, and even close to the deadline during a career year. Why would you want to pay him more than that?
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mitch300 : 7/21/2017 12:58 pm : link
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haven't heard anything on the Blue Jays. Are they sellers? Bautista and I believe Donaldson are free agents and Stroman would get them a lot of prospects.



Donaldson has 1 year left.

Thanks for the info.
Bruce is a top 10  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 12:58 pm : link
corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.
It's not about going "all young" - any good team needs veterans  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 12:59 pm : link
It's about not continuing to spend big chunks of the payroll on slightly above average talent. $30M+ on Bruce/Duda next year when they have Conforto (who shouldn't be an every day CF) and Smith who are 2 potential long term core pieces is not efficient. That $30M+ has a lot of other uses and the playing time at their rightful positions has enormous development value - which is why even if we're accepting a slightly lesser return it makes the most sense to sell them both off at the deadline even if the return isn't the best value. The best thing that could happen for the entire team in the 2nd half is Conforto, Smith and Rosario entrenching themselves as starters going forward.

I have zero disagreement that the team needs to have veterans, we just need to be much smarter about resource allocation than we were with Neil Walker this year. If the above guys can lock themselves in as starters going forward, with Cespedes obviously locked into LF, there's a ton of money to upgrade the rest of the team.
Duda had a 2 week DL stint because  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:01 pm : link
A player smashed into his elbow on the base paths. If he stays healthy the rest of the year I think you'd have a hard time questioning his health. Bruce is 29 and is crediting Long for helping with his approach this season. Just because he didn't have suitors last offseason coming off a brutal second half or not a lot of interest this deadline in a saturated market doesn't mean he won't have interest this coming offseason. He'll absolutely get a nice deal with somebody. If Granderson was worth 15 million per 4 years ago, Bruce will get at least as much.
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Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:02 pm : link
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JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?

You clearly meant good players instead of flawed. Obviously Bruce's flaw is his defense with Duda's being his health. Unfortunately for the Mets now that the Yankees are no longer searching for a first baseman no contending team is in need of a first baseman. The same goes for contenders in the AL in search of DH's. Now obviously a serious injury could occur which could change all of that but as of now I don't think Duda is going anywhere.
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BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 1:03 pm : link
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.

We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.


You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?



JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?

Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be called out. You CLEARLY said that you disagreed they were flawed players. That's just ridiculous. The Mets have been trying to trade Bruce since the offseason. If he was half as awesome as you think he is, there would certainly be a ton of interest, no?

It's ok to admit that players on your favorite team are flawed. Every player is flawed.
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capone is legit. I have no doubts.


Dan what do you think of O'neil? I'm not all that concerned with what we get for Duda, and it seems like any prospect that's realistically a top 100 type would be solid. Though, all things considered I'd prefer a younger low level player with more upside than higher level guys who don't appear to be breaking through (like Nimmo, Herrera types).
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Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13534758 ZGiants98 said:
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A player smashed into his elbow on the base paths. If he stays healthy the rest of the year I think you'd have a hard time questioning his health. Bruce is 29 and is crediting Long for helping with his approach this season. Just because he didn't have suitors last offseason coming off a brutal second half or not a lot of interest this deadline in a saturated market doesn't mean he won't have interest this coming offseason. He'll absolutely get a nice deal with somebody. If Granderson was worth 15 million per 4 years ago, Bruce will get at least as much.


Have your back on Duda, but puke on Bruce. Sorry for the rant, but I just don't want him back. Roll with Lagares/Nimmo in CF or sign someone, but please don't try to play 3 corner OFs again.

I'm open to keeping Duda on a one year deal next year, but something has to happen with Smith who looks like he's ready. Neither guy has any flexibility to play elsewhere. Maybe NL will add a DH for us.
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ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:05 pm : link
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corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.


How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR.
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BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 1:06 pm : link
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JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?


You clearly meant good players instead of flawed. Obviously Bruce's flaw is his defense with Duda's being his health. Unfortunately for the Mets now that the Yankees are no longer searching for a first baseman no contending team is in need of a first baseman. The same goes for contenders in the AL in search of DH's. Now obviously a serious injury could occur which could change all of that but as of now I don't think Duda is going anywhere.

I don't necessarily think the Yanks are out of the market for a 1st baseman. Chase Headley doesn't really put an end to that. He just happens to be the only thing they have. I absolutely think they would deal for a 1st baseman if the opportunity presented itself. Headley is garbage.
It's fine  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:06 pm : link
Man. Like I said. They aren't excepting qualifiers anyway.
And before somebody else jumps on me  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:08 pm : link
"At his position" as to what we were discussing.
Duda won't accept  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:10 pm : link
but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bruce accept a 1 year 17-18 million dollar deal.
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DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 1:11 pm : link
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Dan what do you think of O'neil? I'm not all that concerned with what we get for Duda, and it seems like any prospect that's realistically a top 100 type would be solid. Though, all things considered I'd prefer a younger low level player with more upside than higher level guys who don't appear to be breaking through (like Nimmo, Herrera types).


HUGE power, holes in his swing. Would have done it 100%. Disappointed that we didn't. Could be an MLB starting OF in the Pat Burrell but well see what they end up with.
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ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:14 pm : link
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but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bruce accept a 1 year 17-18 million dollar deal.

Yeah that's kind of what I said too. He's the more likely of the two. Depends on his second half. If he can show a full year without a significant cold streak it's going to help him big time. If he goes into a huge second half slide? Sure. Then he might accept. As of today they both look like a no though.
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