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Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 9:42 am
The Twins are finalizing a deal with the Atlanta Braves for LHP Jaime Garcia. They are finalizing the terms and there appears to be a holdup over how much of Garcia's remaining salary Atlanta will pick up. If the deal falls apart there are reportedly 5 other teams with strong interest in Garcia.

The Dodgers have inquired on Gerrit Cole and Julio Teheran. They also have expressed interest in relievers Justin Wilson, Zach Britton, and Brad Hand.

The Dodgers have DFA Sergio Romo. I expect the Nationals to show interest.
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I don't want Jay Bruce back next season  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 1:14 pm : link
because I don't want MC in CF.

You move on with YC in left. Rosario at SS and Conforto in right.

Ideally I'd like to see Smith sometime soon so we can watch and evaluate whether or not he's ready to assume duties at 1b next year. If not, I'm fine with Duda for another year.

Big no to Cabrera and I don't even want Reyes around.

With all the money coming off the books it would be nice to add a legitimate 3b (Moustakas) and they still need a legitimate innings eater/#3 man in the rotation.

Moustakas-Conforto-YC middle of the lineup is not bad.

CF you still have Lagares/Nimmo
2b, TJ and Flores
C, TDA and Rivera

With more money to go around for upgrades at any of these positions.
RE: RE: Bruce is a top 10  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13534766 ZGiants98 said:
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corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.



How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR. Link - ( New Window )


You really think Conforto is the future CF of the team? How about we try to actually have PLUS players in positions instead of guys who can just maybe fit there it things go well.

Bruce is having a career year and regression is almost certain to happen. Again, there's a reason that the other GMs won't give up anything for the guy. Half a season as the 11th best RF doesn't make the guy a top 10 going forward.
What kind of deal  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:18 pm : link
would Moustakas get? It seems like he'd be a MUCH better use of money than giving Jay Bruce a 50% raise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Again,  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13534761 BigBlueShock said:
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Bruce and Duda would not accept and I disagree they are flawed players. Smith wishes he can be the player Duda is and how would having Smith in reserve one more year effect our long term plans anyway? Also, what would having Bruce back for another year effect? Nimmo? It's not like we have a ton of OF depth.

We have 60 million bucks coming off the payroll. The Mets better sprinkle in a few veterans next year and not go completely young.


You disagree that Duda and Bruce are flawed players?



JFC. Here we go. Ok. No. They aren't the two greatest players that ever lived. They aren't without flaws. Considering that's an impossibility how about they are both top 10-ish at their position and would be as good as any option we could possibly hope for in 2018. That work better for you?


Don't say stupid shit if you don't want to be called out. You CLEARLY said that you disagreed they were flawed players. That's just ridiculous. The Mets have been trying to trade Bruce since the offseason. If he was half as awesome as you think he is, there would certainly be a ton of interest, no?

It's ok to admit that players on your favorite team are flawed. Every player is flawed.


So if every player is flawed, which I agree with, how is the person that made the statement in the first place not attacked? I thought we were talking about in the context of what our options are going to be for next year. If every player is flawed and you want to take everything literally, blast Eric for calling them flawed when every player on earth is.

Bunch of asshole ticky tack bullshit the last few days.
I'd like Conforto  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:19 pm : link
to play his natural position (i.e., the position he played in college, in the minors, and the position the consensus expected him to play) instead of playing him out of position.
RE: RE: RE: Bruce is a top 10  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13534782 Metnut said:
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corner OF? Might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. He's not even the 2nd best corner OF on his own (bad) team.



How are comments like this constructive? Conforto has been in CF and is an all star. OF has been a strength and our offense in general has been fine. Rather than spout off do some research. Bruce is exactly 10th in all of baseball in both wRC+ AND WAR. Link - ( New Window )



You really think Conforto is the future CF of the team? How about we try to actually have PLUS players in positions instead of guys who can just maybe fit there it things go well.

Bruce is having a career year and regression is almost certain to happen. Again, there's a reason that the other GMs won't give up anything for the guy. Half a season as the 11th best RF doesn't make the guy a top 10 going forward.


You know. I was arguing the same thing last offseason but Conforto dropped some weight and has looked really good out in CF this year. I wouldn't want him there forever but I think he's young enough to stay there for another 3-4 years. You still have Lagares backing him up. I think he's probably at least as good as Nimmo would be who is likely an option there if Conforto does move over.
So far Conforto for his career  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:24 pm : link
Has a +1 DRS in CF. That's pretty impressive considering he might actually be improving (hadn't played there before).
I'm also not trying to say  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:26 pm : link
I'm all about offering Bruce a big deal or anything. We can probably spend better elsewhere but if he came back for a year? Wouldn't mind at all.
Dan: Question for you  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 1:28 pm : link
After the earlier rumors of deGrom and the Astros, I was checking out their system. I didnt realize they have Mike Cameron's son.

How does this kid project as a future CFer? Can he be as good as or better than his old man? Cameron was always a personal favorite of mine. Would love to see him here, but obviously not for Jake who I don't want trade.
RE: Dan: Question for you  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13534816 Chris684 said:
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After the earlier rumors of deGrom and the Astros, I was checking out their system. I didnt realize they have Mike Cameron's son.

How does this kid project as a future CFer? Can he be as good as or better than his old man? Cameron was always a personal favorite of mine. Would love to see him here, but obviously not for Jake who I don't want trade.


Daz has had very negative reports this season. Looks like a 4th OF if he's a big leaguer. Previously was a HUGE HS star, star has faded.
Ok, interesting.  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 1:31 pm : link
Thanks
RE: What kind of deal  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13534790 Metnut said:
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would Moustakas get? It seems like he'd be a MUCH better use of money than giving Jay Bruce a 50% raise.


I know he's having a terrible year, but I'd much rather throw a big 1 year deal at Lucroy hoping for a bounceback than Bruce. Bruce is a good power hitter. He's an above average overall player, but he is what he is.
What's the consensus on Wright  
CMicks3110 : 7/21/2017 1:32 pm : link
do people think he will retire?
Z,  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:33 pm : link
I'm not saying that Conforto can't play CF, or that's he bad there. He's looked solid out there, better than I (or the "experts") thought he would.

I just think instead of a solid defensive CF, why not put him at corner OF where maybe he can be elite, along with Cespedes (if somehow he's healthy), and role with our in-house CF options and maybe add a cheaper bad-first corner OF and use the savings to try and upgrade our horrible IF.

Lagares is certainly a health risk at this point, but was worth a win in 47 games this year, and that's without getting every day ABs or CF time.
RE: What's the consensus on Wright  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13534829 CMicks3110 said:
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do people think he will retire?


He's done, whether he retires or just continues to stay on the DL, he's done and will no longer factor into the Mets plans.
At the right price  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 1:35 pm : link
Darvish, Lucroy, Cain and Moustakas should all be potential targets.
If wright is off the books  
CMicks3110 : 7/21/2017 1:35 pm : link
we have like $80 mil to spend. I would have to think we would buy 2 of Moustakas, Cain, Darvish, Bruce, or Shoehei Oh. Otherwise, we hold onto money for 2019 FA class because there isn't that much this off-season.
RE: What kind of deal  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13534790 Metnut said:
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would Moustakas get? It seems like he'd be a MUCH better use of money than giving Jay Bruce a 50% raise.

Moustakas is going to command a lot of money. He is having a great season 25 homeruns already and an .850 OPS. Teams in need of 3B with room to spend this offseason include the Yankees, Braves, Mets, Red Sox, etc.
If the Mets are looking to make a deal with the Astros  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 1:36 pm : link
They should go after Derek Fisher.
RE: I still say  
SJGiant : 7/21/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13534658 ZGiants98 said:
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The Mets can offer Duda and Bruce QO and neither will accept so the returns need to at least be "decent".


I am sorry but I have to disagree on Duda. The Mets cannot afford to take the chance that he will accept the QO. He is not worth that money. More players like Duda are accepting QO. Bruce may be worth the money, but he doesn't fit the Mets. He has no position in the Mets OF. Therefore, the Mets really cannot take a chance for Bruce to accept the QO. This Russian roulette is not what the Mets need to play.
Sox have Devers and Yankees have Torres  
CMicks3110 : 7/21/2017 1:38 pm : link
they aren't going to spend on Moustakas. I think Moustakas makes a ton of sense for the Mets who have no heir apparent there at all.
RE: Z,  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13534832 Metnut said:
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I'm not saying that Conforto can't play CF, or that's he bad there. He's looked solid out there, better than I (or the "experts") thought he would.

I just think instead of a solid defensive CF, why not put him at corner OF where maybe he can be elite, along with Cespedes (if somehow he's healthy), and role with our in-house CF options and maybe add a cheaper bad-first corner OF and use the savings to try and upgrade our horrible IF.

Lagares is certainly a health risk at this point, but was worth a win in 47 games this year, and that's without getting every day ABs or CF time.


I'm fine with that but how many positions are we going to do that with? If Walker leaves are we going with TJ/Cheech? If Duda leaves are we going with Smith? We know Rosario is going to be at SS. I don't see too many better options than TDA so we are likely going to roll with him again. If we are also going with Nimmo/Lagares in CF (which I don't hate) where are we spending? I could see one starting pitcher and few bullpen arms but that's not 60 million worth. I just can't see us going with so many kids all at once if we are expecting to compete next year.
What do you think we get for Addison Reed?  
CMicks3110 : 7/21/2017 1:39 pm : link
i think brewers are likely destination, any chance we can get a top 5 prospeft from their system?
I'd probably try to bring back one of the lefty  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:44 pm : link
bats we are discussing to protect Cespedes and also look at an established infielder (3B/2B). Assuming Cespedes ever starts hitting again he could use some lefty protection. That was the whole reason we acquired Bruce in the first place.
RE: Sox have Devers and Yankees have Torres  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13534845 CMicks3110 said:
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they aren't going to spend on Moustakas. I think Moustakas makes a ton of sense for the Mets who have no heir apparent there at all.

Torres is a SS who had been playing at 3B in an attempt to help the team this year. He is much more likely to be the Yankees future SS or 2B than he is 3B. I agree that Moustakas makes a lot of sense for the Mets I was just wondering if they would be willing to meet his asking price. If Duda and Bruce were both gone that would likely increase their chances.
Ok guys let's try to keep this to rumors  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:47 pm : link
and news thread rather than turning this into a Mets needs thread. Please post those comments in one of the Mets threads.
RE: Ok guys let's try to keep this to rumors  
ZGiants98 : 7/21/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13534862 Jay on the Island said:
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and news thread rather than turning this into a Mets needs thread. Please post those comments in one of the Mets threads.


Yup. No problem.
Thanks  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:53 pm : link
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RE: Ok guys let's try to keep this to rumors  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13534862 Jay on the Island said:
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and news thread rather than turning this into a Mets needs thread. Please post those comments in one of the Mets threads.


Guilty as charged. Sorry!
The Indians have expressed interest  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:55 pm : link
in Mets SS/2B Asdrubal Cabrera.
The Brewers have a strong interest in Justin Wilson  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 1:57 pm : link
Yu Darvish is officially on the trade market. The rumored interested teams are the Astros, Brewers, Yankees, Indians, and Dodgers.
For Jay  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 2:38 pm : link
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Aaron Blair flew to L.A. and is on standby in case Jaime Garcia is traded today, source confirms. #Braves
I'm assuming the Garcia to Twins trade  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 3:40 pm : link
has fallen apart. It was first reported last night and still nothing new to report.
Update  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
Braves reportedly will start Garcia tonight. Apparently the talks with the Twins prompted other teams to get involved. This is a risky move for the Braves unless the return from the Twins was less than expected.
RE: Update  
BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13535139 Jay on the Island said:
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Braves reportedly will start Garcia tonight. Apparently the talks with the Twins prompted other teams to get involved. This is a risky move for the Braves unless the return from the Twins was less than expected.

What kind of return are they expecting? I mean, he's been ok, but it's Jamie Garcia.
RE: RE: Update  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
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Braves reportedly will start Garcia tonight. Apparently the talks with the Twins prompted other teams to get involved. This is a risky move for the Braves unless the return from the Twins was less than expected.


What kind of return are they expecting? I mean, he's been ok, but it's Jamie Garcia.

Honestly I am not sure. They aren't getting their top prospects but the rumor was that the original deal was for just one so it was probably in their 5-12 range. The Twins system isn't that great but Nick Gordon, Stephen Gonsalves, and Alex Kirilloff are very good prospects and likely not involved. There are some intriguing prospects though like 3B Travis Blackenhorn, C Mitch Garver, and a lottery ticket like rookie ball 3B Jose Miranda.
The Brewers are now targeting  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2017 10:17 am : link
Mets RP Addison Reed.

The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.
The Phillies are interested in P Michael Fulmer  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2017 10:20 am : link
They might be willing to take on a bad contract from Detroit to lower the asking price.
Good News Mets fans  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2017 10:22 am : link
The Yankees still have interest in adding a first baseman. The three usual names come up in Bour, Duda, and Alonso.

The A's asking price for Gray is equal to Quintana which means the Yankees will likely pass as they should.
Update on the Jaime Garcia talks  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2017 12:43 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
Sources: Garcia trade stalled due to #Braves medical concern on #Twins prospect. Still could revive, but both teams working alternatives.

Kirilloff is coming off TJ surgery but I can't imagine that they would give him up for Garcia unless the Braves were sending a reliever or a lesser prospect along with him.
Dustin  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2017 2:06 pm : link
May in a Reed deal, thanks!
RE: Dustin  
SJGiant : 7/22/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13536036 DanMetroMan said:
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May in a Reed deal, thanks!


Is this a rumor or wishful thinking. Can you provide info on who is Dustin May?

Thanks
RE: RE: Dustin  
capone : 7/22/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13536066 SJGiant said:
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May in a Reed deal, thanks!



Is this a rumor or wishful thinking. Can you provide info on who is Dustin May?

Thanks


He would be a very good get for a rental, clean injury wise, 6 foot 6 can fill out , high ceiling , still working as a starter
RE: The Brewers are now targeting  
spike : 7/22/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13535854 Jay on the Island said:
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Mets RP Addison Reed.

The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.


who wouldn't want Justin Verlander?
RE: RE: Dustin  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13536066 SJGiant said:
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May in a Reed deal, thanks!



Is this a rumor or wishful thinking. Can you provide info on who is Dustin May?

Thanks


Total wishful thinking. 6'6 kid with long red hair. Highly protectable. Think Stndergaard starter kid. Kind of guy you target from the Dodgers since he's 2 or so years away and they are trying to win now. Could develop into a top guy if all goes right.
RE: RE: The Brewers are now targeting  
Jay on the Island : 7/22/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13536101 spike said:
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Mets RP Addison Reed.

The Cubs are talking with the Tigers about Justin Verlander and are reportedly willing to take on his contract.



who wouldn't want Justin Verlander?

He is 34, having a down year, and he makes a lot of money. His ERA is 4.54 his walk rate has nearly doubled from last season and his K rate went from 10/per9 to 8.5/ per 9. He makes 28 million per season through 2019 with a 22 million vesting option for 2020.
Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2017 4:44 pm : link
with some Mets trade ideas
Link - ( New Window )
Don't know much about most of those guys  
Eric on Li : 7/22/2017 4:47 pm : link
but I'd prefer quality > quantity. I'd definitely trade Duda, Reed, Granderson and Cabrera though, so if there's no quality quantity it is.
RE: Sherman  
BigBlueShock : 7/22/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13536120 DanMetroMan said:
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with some Mets trade ideas Link - ( New Window )

I'm not real enthused about giving up good prospects for Duda as a rental, but that trade seems ludicrous for the Mets. Refsnyder may be the next Daniel Murphy? Come on now. As a Yankee fan I would do that deal in a heartbeat. I've had about enough of Chase Headley, but why would the Mets do that? I also don't agree with Sherman that the Mets wouldn't offer him the QO.

And Jay Bruce for Nate Karns? They don't have enough problems with Harvey, they'd want to take in another guy with the same injury?
Of  
DanMetroMan : 7/22/2017 5:35 pm : link
his ideas I like the Reed to Colorado idea (Murphy has legit starting C upside), Seattle (no brainer for Grandy. Povse is 6'8 and has a shot to be a work horse #4, I'd do it with the quickness (he was almost dealt to Miami this week so he's likely available) and Cabrera for Diaz (another no brainer for me), Neil Walker deal is a no-brainer as well. Formerly highly regarded C prospect (roll the dice) and a big armed P prospect. I'd make all of those deals.
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