NFT: Question for the mods: How does a poster become unbanned?

is the poster a him or a her?

of FilmGiant?

your answer to this will go a long way in determining the length of the ban.

...I forget why though! I do know that after pleading my case to Eric, I got reinstated pretty quickly and easily.

but now the Eric "apology" thread is gone.

SMH.

Or be prepared and have a couple in case one is banned beforehand.

and promise never to misbehave again.

which I think Tommen outlawed, but Cersei is sure to bring it back

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In comment 13534866 BrettNYG10 said:

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There's nothing shameful about two men testing each other's strength.

even do to get banned? He's been a character and a presence on BBI for years.

and he thought the "ask for forgiveness and promise to be nice" part beneath his dignity. So he won't be back. He was not a multiple offender.

In comment 13534874 Moondawg said:

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and he thought the "ask for forgiveness and promise to be nice" part beneath his dignity. So he won't be back. He was not a multiple offender.

I had to do it. It wasn't so bad, really... I just went to my happy place until it was over.

but it's not that easy to get permanently banned here. What did this person do, was it a single 'error' or a long history of issues? More likely it was the former, and bringing them back may change behavior for a bit, but likely will just end up with the same issues. Can't imagine why someone that desperate to be an active BBI member would take actions that resulted in banning in the first place - unless that person can't really consciously control how they act on a message board.

Basically, anyone who got perma-banned is likely to repeat those same behaviors. Better question is, why did they do whatever got them banned in 1st place?

for the shit they spew on the internet. Thank you for that Eric.

As for your banned poster. BOO FUCKIN' HOO. He'll be a better person for it.

In comment 13534903 Cenotaph said:

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but it's not that easy to get permanently banned here. What did this person do, was it a single 'error' or a long history of issues? More likely it was the former, and bringing them back may change behavior for a bit, but likely will just end up with the same issues. Can't imagine why someone that desperate to be an active BBI member would take actions that resulted in banning in the first place - unless that person can't really consciously control how they act on a message board. Basically, anyone who got perma-banned is likely to repeat those same behaviors. Better question is, why did they do whatever got them banned in 1st place?

I'm not here to make a stink, but seeing how the bans were thrown around just yesterday, I would not claim that they are always judiciously applied.

It's a great question.

We're pretty lenient about letting people back as long as they seem to understand why they got banned in the first place and seem to cooperate. In fact, one of the criticisms we get is letting too many previously banned people back or allowing them to have new accounts under different names.

One of the more common issues we face is this:

Poster X contacts us about he/she getting abused by another poster, providing an example. We ask for a link to the thread. But the thread shows that both parties were actually guilty of escalating the fight to name-calling. Poster X may not accept his/her culpability in the affair. We'll ask both to cool it.

Time passes and poster X complains again. We investigate and see the same pattern (sometimes it will be poster X who started the name-calling). We raise this and the poster not only won't accept responsibility but starts lashing out at the moderators for being unfair. At that point, we have a problem... someone who isn't even going cooperate and see his/her role in the issue.

(Some of these people continue to read the site but will still send me hate e-mail even months or years later...those folks are not likely to be invited back).

In regards to the poster that I am referring to. I know dep accepts responsibility for his actions and I know he regrets his behavior and how he reacted to his banning, but he's a good guy. He's passionate and outspoken and slightly annoying when it comes to Eli, but he's a good dude and he adds value to many discussions. He has emailed you guys apologizing a few times and he's gotten no response. He's not the type of guy to make a dupe either. Any leniency here for the depster?

In comment 13534925 Keith said:

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In regards to the poster that I am referring to. I know dep accepts responsibility for his actions and I know he regrets his behavior and how he reacted to his banning, but he's a good guy. He's passionate and outspoken and slightly annoying when it comes to Eli, but he's a good dude and he adds value to many discussions. He has emailed you guys apologizing a few times and he's gotten no response. He's not the type of guy to make a dupe either. Any leniency here for the depster?

Are you Dep?

dep has been the topic of discussion of the moderators for a long time. We've cut him tons of slack over the years. For lack of a better description, he's proven to be terribly high maintenance. And he's terribly abusive.

BTW... my poster x explanation almost fits dep to a "t".

That being said, I know for a fact that he regrets his behavior and how he has treated the mods(yourself included). He's a good guy, he really is, he just needs to reel it in sometimes when he gets worked up. All I am asking is to open the lines of communication with him and let him aplogize. Everyone on bbi will be much better for it! Thanks for listening.

to be banned here and exceptionally nasty. So I think tough to those who have gotten hit with it.

That said, as a longtimer, certain posters seem to be grandfathered in. Not a big deal but it does happen.

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depper loses his composure sometimes but I think he's generally a good guy who was here to talk football and sports. We've had way, way worse parading around here if we're being honest. There are guys here on their 10th dupe.

I think he regrets his actions and has had time to reflect.

Not my site, not my rules, but I'd give him another shot to redeem himself. I know he feels bad about the way he acted and regrets it.

In comment 13534871 Metnut said:

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even do to get banned? He's been a character and a presence on BBI for years.

He probably went absolutely ballistic and personal on somebody for something slight.

Many of the more outspoken posters have been here a while, and/or have many friends on the site who will side with them, regardless of behavior. Very common to see 'Yeah, he acts like a jerk sometimes, but he's a good guy'. People rarely get perma-banned here for a single slip - it's usually a pattern where things escalate to name calling and that garbage. Some people can't avoid or back down from it - they get stuck in, continue to escalate and use profanity/attack posters, etc. Sure, these people may contribute to some threads, but they may also completely turn others off topic into childish name calling fights. It's tough for the mods in these cases - the posters themselves rarely recognize their own contribution to the problems, and often have a fair amount of support from long time posters asking for their return. But the patterns of why they got banned suggest it's unlikely these posters will come back and not fall into those same issues.

But his Mr. Hyde side was like a perverse point guard: he had a tendency to make everyone around him better at being an asshole. Like, I do enjoy posting absurd comments from time to time, but I'm generally not someone who deliberately posts things to legitimately make someone mad. But I did so with Dep just because it was funny to see how he'd react to something so relatively trivial, inert and non-personal.

be clear here with dep:

Again, we cut him more slack than most people... and we did so for years.

We repeatedly had to tell him to cool it, and he promised to change his ways, but couldn't do so.

He's not unusual. We've had others like that on BBI. Basically "regular" posters who some enjoyed, others hated, but who simply would fly off the handle on a regular basis.

If I listed the handles, it would elicit a mixture of support for the bannings and regret that the person is gone.

In most cases, we never say never and can re-examine at a future date.

An apology
Ice cubes
A gorilla (preferably stufffed)
A 9 iron
Lube
Signing a document declaring something called a Radnee is Voldemort
A donation

In comment 13534980 Cenotaph said:

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Many of the more outspoken posters have been here a while, and/or have many friends on the site who will side with them, regardless of behavior. Very common to see 'Yeah, he acts like a jerk sometimes, but he's a good guy'. People rarely get perma-banned here for a single slip - it's usually a pattern where things escalate to name calling and that garbage. Some people can't avoid or back down from it - they get stuck in, continue to escalate and use profanity/attack posters, etc. Sure, these people may contribute to some threads, but they may also completely turn others off topic into childish name calling fights. It's tough for the mods in these cases - the posters themselves rarely recognize their own contribution to the problems, and often have a fair amount of support from long time posters asking for their return. But the patterns of why they got banned suggest it's unlikely these posters will come back and not fall into those same issues.

Gary and gidiefor like to call them timeouts now, not bannings. Timeouts is a better word because most of the time, they are allowed back quickly.

With the new registration process (which is unwieldy but effective), we have 100 percent shut off spammers from the site. And most trolls don't bother anymore either.

In comment 13534988 Lawrence_Taylor_56 said:

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An apology Ice cubes A gorilla (preferably stufffed) A 9 iron Lube Signing a document declaring something called a Radnee is Voldemort A donation

Actually, a number of people who have donated have been banned over the years... and in some cases they immediately demand (and receive) their money back.

Dep Again.

Eric handled the donation situation the right way. So.....dep is back in now?

So you have to royally shit the bed to banned.

In comment 13535035 Joey in VA said:

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So you have to royally shit the bed to banned.

royally, but not literally.

a BBI mod parole board complete with, Gary in a Giants tie.

Who would take the time?...other than MiS of course.

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Dep would that get him unbanned? That's the least Eli can do for all the support Dep gave him over the years!

In comment 13535057 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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Dep would that get him unbanned? That's the least Eli can do for all the support Dep gave him over the years!

lol

In comment 13535035 Joey in VA said:

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So you have to royally shit the bed to banned.

Joey, you were the ORIGINAL hothead. (grin)

In comment 13535042 Les in TO said:

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a BBI mod parole board

if the glove don't fit, you must re-admit!

Free Scott in morgantown btw

Yep tanked

where is bigbluebretheren these days??

Was a turd.

are advocating for someone and saying the "good guy" stuff. Eric has laid out a formula. If he is such a "good guy" he'll let some time pass, come back contrite and convince the mods that that is the case. I've followed the banning threads for a while because they are extremely entertaining we all get heated sometimes, I've gotten into some pissing matches myself over the years. But c'mon, to first stand out among people on the internet for being extreme enough to get banned, and then secondarily take it too far in the cream of the crop of those posters it doesn't matter how "good of a guy you are" you have emotional control problems.

The best thing you can do to help your friend is to tell him to get a handle on that and come back genuinely sorry and changed. All this lobbying through people makes him look even more emotionally immature. That's what children do.

In comment 13535099 NoGainDayne said:

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are advocating for someone and saying the "good guy" stuff. Eric has laid out a formula. If he is such a "good guy" he'll let some time pass, come back contrite and convince the mods that that is the case. I've followed the banning threads for a while because they are extremely entertaining we all get heated sometimes, I've gotten into some pissing matches myself over the years. But c'mon, to first stand out among people on the internet for being extreme enough to get banned, and then secondarily take it too far in the cream of the crop of those posters it doesn't matter how "good of a guy you are" you have emotional control problems. The best thing you can do to help your friend is to tell him to get a handle on that and come back genuinely sorry and changed. All this lobbying through people makes him look even more emotionally immature. That's what children do.

Why?

Because we've had posters here guilty of child abduction or whatever that scumbag did who were allowed to post for years.

We have people who are on their 10th dupe handle who constantly troll, add nothing of value, or simply exist to piss people off.

In comparison, a guy who loses his temper arguing about Eli seems pretty tame as far as I'm concerned.

I've honestly never had one bad interaction with dep in the years he's been here. We've disagreed on some things, but nothing ever got personal.

I'm sure he rubs people the wrong way sometimes, I just don't think it's fair that he's basically banished when it took far worse for others to get banned and less for them to come back.

Whatever. Again - not my site, not my rules- and that's fine.

I think he needed a timeout. He's served it, expressed regret for his actions, and has apologized.

What happened?

refers to Jews moving to your town as a "big problem".

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refers to Jews moving to your town as a "big problem".

WTF???

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In comment 13535128 Deej said: Quote: refers to Jews moving to your town as a "big problem". WTF???

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He flies off the handle from time to time but he's a decent dude.

In comment 13535128 Deej said:

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refers to Jews moving to your town as a "big problem".

More hyperbole. Now, "moderate problem" would have been ok.

him the right to say that, so.....

maybe stuff like this was part of the concern.
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him the right to say that, so.....

Let's not take the guy effectively calling Jews locusts at face value.

You want me to ban a Jewish poster for being anti-Semitic?

In comment 13535206 Eric from BBI said:

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You want me to ban a Jewish poster for being anti-Semitic?

I dont call for bannings. I also have no idea whether that guy is Jewish. He didnt post a picture of his shmeckle.

In comment 13535123 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13535099 NoGainDayne said: Quote: are advocating for someone and saying the "good guy" stuff. Eric has laid out a formula. If he is such a "good guy" he'll let some time pass, come back contrite and convince the mods that that is the case. I've followed the banning threads for a while because they are extremely entertaining we all get heated sometimes, I've gotten into some pissing matches myself over the years. But c'mon, to first stand out among people on the internet for being extreme enough to get banned, and then secondarily take it too far in the cream of the crop of those posters it doesn't matter how "good of a guy you are" you have emotional control problems. The best thing you can do to help your friend is to tell him to get a handle on that and come back genuinely sorry and changed. All this lobbying through people makes him look even more emotionally immature. That's what children do. Why? Because we've had posters here guilty of child abduction or whatever that scumbag did who were allowed to post for years. We have people who are on their 10th dupe handle who constantly troll, add nothing of value, or simply exist to piss people off. In comparison, a guy who loses his temper arguing about Eli seems pretty tame as far as I'm concerned. I've honestly never had one bad interaction with dep in the years he's been here. We've disagreed on some things, but nothing ever got personal. I'm sure he rubs people the wrong way sometimes, I just don't think it's fair that he's basically banished when it took far worse for others to get banned and less for them to come back. Whatever. Again - not my site, not my rules- and that's fine. I think he needed a timeout. He's served it, expressed regret for his actions, and has apologized.

So you tell me what's more likely.

1) Eric and the mods have an axe to grind with Dep or any poster in particular.

OR

2) Dep has behaved in a way towards them and others that stands out as particularly unacceptable and they are simply reacting to that.

At the end of the day a website is a business and this one in particular is a community. Whoever it is you are complaining about that is worse than Dep i'm sure if there was a critical mass of people that also did they would be banned or if their actions stood out as particularly abusive they'd get ban hammer as well.

Don't you think it's a lot more likely that your positive feelings about this poster is affecting your judgement towards his point of view?

OK, but I'm not sure what your point is then. You seemed to be saying that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Does anyone feel that way?

In comment 13535221 NoGainDayne said:

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In comment 13535123 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 13535099 NoGainDayne said: Quote: are advocating for someone and saying the "good guy" stuff. Eric has laid out a formula. If he is such a "good guy" he'll let some time pass, come back contrite and convince the mods that that is the case. I've followed the banning threads for a while because they are extremely entertaining we all get heated sometimes, I've gotten into some pissing matches myself over the years. But c'mon, to first stand out among people on the internet for being extreme enough to get banned, and then secondarily take it too far in the cream of the crop of those posters it doesn't matter how "good of a guy you are" you have emotional control problems. The best thing you can do to help your friend is to tell him to get a handle on that and come back genuinely sorry and changed. All this lobbying through people makes him look even more emotionally immature. That's what children do. Why? Because we've had posters here guilty of child abduction or whatever that scumbag did who were allowed to post for years. We have people who are on their 10th dupe handle who constantly troll, add nothing of value, or simply exist to piss people off. In comparison, a guy who loses his temper arguing about Eli seems pretty tame as far as I'm concerned. I've honestly never had one bad interaction with dep in the years he's been here. We've disagreed on some things, but nothing ever got personal. I'm sure he rubs people the wrong way sometimes, I just don't think it's fair that he's basically banished when it took far worse for others to get banned and less for them to come back. Whatever. Again - not my site, not my rules- and that's fine. I think he needed a timeout. He's served it, expressed regret for his actions, and has apologized. So you tell me what's more likely. 1) Eric and the mods have an axe to grind with Dep or any poster in particular. OR 2) Dep has behaved in a way towards them and others that stands out as particularly unacceptable and they are simply reacting to that. At the end of the day a website is a business and this one in particular is a community. Whoever it is you are complaining about that is worse than Dep i'm sure if there was a critical mass of people that also did they would be banned or if their actions stood out as particularly abusive they'd get ban hammer as well. Don't you think it's a lot more likely that your positive feelings about this poster is affecting your judgement towards his point of view?

I think there's little consistency in who gets banned for what or the amount of time that people stay banned.

it has little to do with my feelings towards dep.

If you think the bannings around here have been uniform or logical, we'll just have to disagree.

I think dep deserved a time out. Not banishment.

You touched on it, but we have no problem with Dep. It became a maintenance issue.

You can't have it both ways. There are those on BBI who say we have no consistency with moderation. But then we get complaints like this that say there should be special consideration for a regular.

Moderation is not a science and I don't think it is wise or practical to be 100 percent "consistent"... you have to feel you way through each situation and do what you think is best. Mistakes are made. It's subjective.

But in the case of dep, this was NOT a one, two, three, four-time thing. It was a pattern.

Does that mean my takes are not hot enough? Do I have to crank up the volume?

On a serious note, it never ceases to amaze me how so many adults and supposedly good people "irl" can't behave on a f***ing website.

On a third note, whoever came back as KCabMI--that was good.

as a complaint? I see it more as an inquiry. At no point did I question your decision or complain about how you handled it.

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as a complaint? I see it more as an inquiry. At no point did I question your decision or complain about how you handled it.

Not a complaint at all. As I said above, it's a good question.

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Just checked the notes from the moderation team... repeated personal attacks, warnings issues, new attacks (with specific dates provided).

and think he's a pretty good poster, certainly a passionate one.

But it's not that hard as an adult to avoid getting in repeated fights around here. Dep couldn't do it the first time around. If he's truly learned and is remorseful, then I'd love to see him return. But his history makes me skeptical.

In comment 13534874 Moondawg said:

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and he thought the "ask for forgiveness and promise to be nice" part beneath his dignity. So he won't be back. He was not a multiple offender.

Multiple offender is still be a possibility, though not a goal.

There's no love lost between us and we've mixed it up in the past, but I've never considered anything dep did to be banworthy. Certainly not anything I'd go complaining to a mod about.

He's a turd. But he's our turd.

In comment 13535419 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 13534874 Moondawg said: Quote: and he thought the "ask for forgiveness and promise to be nice" part beneath his dignity. So he won't be back. He was not a multiple offender. Multiple offender is still be a possibility, though not a goal.

Hey you bastard! You're back.

BBI Jail is awesome. I saw Filthy there.

In comment 13535424 Modus Operandi said:

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BBI Jail is awesome. I saw Filthy there.

Let's hope you didn't besmirch my "beneath his dignity" claim!

In comment 13535255 Eric from BBI said:

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OK, but I'm not sure what your point is then. You seemed to be saying that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with. Does anyone feel that way?

if we're going to need to make a point to post on BBI, you'll need more mods.

I'm posting here 20+ years. I've never asked you or a mod to get involved.

In comment 13535428 Moondawg said:

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In comment 13535424 Modus Operandi said: Quote: BBI Jail is awesome. I saw Filthy there. Let's hope you didn't besmirch my "beneath his dignity" claim!

Hey man, you do what you gotta do.



Wait, you meant the beg for forgiveness part...

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That being said, I know for a fact that he regrets his behavior and how he has treated the mods(yourself included). He's a good guy, he really is, he just needs to reel it in sometimes when he gets worked up. All I am asking is to open the lines of communication with him and let him aplogize. Everyone on bbi will be much better for it! Thanks for listening.

Keith - I have numerous remorseful emails from dep -- but way more vitreous ones with hateful attacks in them -- His cycle: He instigates - then he loses it and accuses someone else of committing a transgression -- he becomes belligerent - he lashes out - he refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions and blames everyone within striking distance of heinous and immoral transgressions that excuse his behavior -- I've been through several cycles with him

He asked me never to email him again - yet he emails me with hateful emails and after a time then begs me to reconsider his reinstatement --

he was told during his last cycle after he asked for his donation back - that before reconsidered his application a year would have to go by - and yet the familiar remorseful emails have been coming

it's really gotten to the point that we don't know what to do about him - we know he's going to erupt again if we let him back -- it's only a question of time

In comment 13535434 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 13535428 Moondawg said: Quote: In comment 13535424 Modus Operandi said: Quote: BBI Jail is awesome. I saw Filthy there. Let's hope you didn't besmirch my "beneath his dignity" claim! Hey man, you do what you gotta do. Wait, you meant the beg for forgiveness part...

Well, glad you're back!

I appreciate the explanation. I know dep well, as well as you can know someone that you've never met. I've been posting on the same board for as long as I can remember finding the BBWC message boards. He's a fiery one. He mixes it up with guys(I'm sure it'll be a lot less once Eli retires), but he's also a good guy that adds to conversations and adds to bbi.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do. All I know is that he feels bad for how he acted and he wants to apologize. Let him.

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I appreciate the explanation. I know dep well, as well as you can know someone that you've never met. I've been posting on the same board for as long as I can remember finding the BBWC message boards. He's a fiery one. He mixes it up with guys(I'm sure it'll be a lot less once Eli retires), but he's also a good guy that adds to conversations and adds to bbi. I'm not trying to tell you what to do. All I know is that he feels bad for how he acted and he wants to apologize. Let him.

and we feel bad about taking action against him in October, November, December and March. I received long appologies from him after each of these four "time outs" -- not to mention a dozen or more emails complaining about other posters without references that would make it easy for us to investigate, or the hate emails he sends me -- and frankly -- I don't care about any of that -- what I care about is when he goes into an unmanageable rage and takes over a thread with it, and it becomes a behind the scenes soap opera that takes an enormous amount of time and energy to respond to. This is just ongoing unreasonable behavior - and a guy that's been given more last chances to manage this any other poster on the board - when is enough, enough? How many apologies can a guy make and expect to be believed?

You may feel sympathy for him -- and I have been there myself several times - but at this point it's just hard to believe him.

I appreciate your explanation.

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Was a turd.

I liked Scotty even though he called Pittsburgh abandoned still mill. Every time I saw him post I'd immediately get the song in my head "Scotty doesn't know...Scotty doesn't know!"

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In comment 13535083 B in ALB said: Quote: Was a turd. I liked Scotty even though he called Pittsburgh abandoned still mill. Every time I saw him post I'd immediately get the song in my head "Scotty doesn't know...Scotty doesn't know!"

Steel. It's steel.

If you let him back and he does something bannable, can't you just ban him again? I only ask because of the dupes that are always back, so why not Dep?

In comment 13535123 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13535099 NoGainDayne said: Quote: are advocating for someone and saying the "good guy" stuff. Eric has laid out a formula. If he is such a "good guy" he'll let some time pass, come back contrite and convince the mods that that is the case. I've followed the banning threads for a while because they are extremely entertaining we all get heated sometimes, I've gotten into some pissing matches myself over the years. But c'mon, to first stand out among people on the internet for being extreme enough to get banned, and then secondarily take it too far in the cream of the crop of those posters it doesn't matter how "good of a guy you are" you have emotional control problems. The best thing you can do to help your friend is to tell him to get a handle on that and come back genuinely sorry and changed. All this lobbying through people makes him look even more emotionally immature. That's what children do. Why? Because we've had posters here guilty of child abduction or whatever that scumbag did who were allowed to post for years. We have people who are on their 10th dupe handle who constantly troll, add nothing of value, or simply exist to piss people off. In comparison, a guy who loses his temper arguing about Eli seems pretty tame as far as I'm concerned. I've honestly never had one bad interaction with dep in the years he's been here. We've disagreed on some things, but nothing ever got personal. I'm sure he rubs people the wrong way sometimes, I just don't think it's fair that he's basically banished when it took far worse for others to get banned and less for them to come back. Whatever. Again - not my site, not my rules- and that's fine. I think he needed a timeout. He's served it, expressed regret for his actions, and has apologized.

Screw Dep, he was such a jerk he got banned from weathermans bbi fantasy league for....you guessed it...flaming.
I was wondering why it's been more pleasant of late. Couldn't happened to a more deserving dick. Kudus.

In comment 13535435 gidiefor said:

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In comment 13534942 Keith said: Quote: That being said, I know for a fact that he regrets his behavior and how he has treated the mods(yourself included). He's a good guy, he really is, he just needs to reel it in sometimes when he gets worked up. All I am asking is to open the lines of communication with him and let him aplogize. Everyone on bbi will be much better for it! Thanks for listening. Keith - I have numerous remorseful emails from dep -- but way more vitreous ones with hateful attacks in them -- His cycle: He instigates - then he loses it and accuses someone else of committing a transgression -- he becomes belligerent - he lashes out - he refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions and blames everyone within striking distance of heinous and immoral transgressions that excuse his behavior -- I've been through several cycles with him He asked me never to email him again - yet he emails me with hateful emails and after a time then begs me to reconsider his reinstatement -- he was told during his last cycle after he asked for his donation back - that before reconsidered his application a year would have to go by - and yet the familiar remorseful emails have been coming it's really gotten to the point that we don't know what to do about him - we know he's going to erupt again if we let him back -- it's only a question of time

My god, that is EXACTLY what he did in Weathermans BBI Fantasy Baseball league that got him banned.
Spot on.

and I've been cursed at by some of them yet none of them are banned. It's just a weird selection process I guess.

The only people I vote to get banned are the dupes and trolls who post absolute garbage and never offer a single constructive post about anything. And even then I wouldn't email anyone to get them banned.

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and I've been cursed at by some of them yet none of them are banned. It's just a weird selection process I guess.

... and I never understood why adults would even do that. 99% of them would never do it to your face either.

I suppose the mods have their side that some of us never see...but I did not have a problem with Dep. We battled over Eli's play often but it never got ugly.

on this board. Basically the definition of "butthurt." I truly thought he was a 13 or 14 y/o for a while.

I say let him back. Juxtaposed with his whiny pussiness, he instantly makes the rest of us look a degree tougher. Like that scene in The Social Network:

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who was the guy who got banned sometime after he bitched on YouTube about us losing to the Eagles in the 2008 playoffs?

We are lucky to have him and BBI. He hasnt sold out for more money which he couldve done

In comment 13535741 spike said:

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We are lucky to have him and BBI. He hasnt sold out for more money which he couldve done

This ^^^^

But this is only one of the reasons why I support Eric and what he does and has done here -- and why I am willing to go down swinging with him. He has built the best Giants fan site anywhere and he makes decisions about it based on his gut intelligence - which when it comes to the Giants, and this board, has amazingly uncanny integrity (as does his wife by the way) and he has never been greedy.

What I hate more than the hot heads, Internet tough guys or even the dups are the few PC types that try to start a fire without any tinder. I think it would be nice if some of these sanctimonious baiters got a time-out every now and again. But, I suppose that would be impossible to qualify and I further suppose that's exactly why our weaker comrades engage in that sort of intellectual cowardice.

Altogether, I'd say the mods and Eric do a terrific job making BBI one of the best places I go on the Internet. I don't support mandatory sentencing but I'd have a hard time understanding how anyone would ever warrant more than two strikes.

In comment 13535880 trueblueinpw said:

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What I hate more than the hot heads, Internet tough guys or even the dups are the few PC types that try to start a fire without any tinder. I think it would be nice if some of these sanctimonious baiters got a time-out every now and again. But, I suppose that would be impossible to qualify and I further suppose that's exactly why our weaker comrades engage in that sort of intellectual cowardice. Altogether, I'd say the mods and Eric do a terrific job making BBI one of the best places I go on the Internet. I don't support mandatory sentencing but I'd have a hard time understanding how anyone would ever warrant more than two strikes.

If that were the case, fatman in charlotte woulda been long gone. The self anointed thread police.

If you don't get FatMan...you don't get it

In comment 13535435 gidiefor said:

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In comment 13534942 Keith said: Quote: That being said, I know for a fact that he regrets his behavior and how he has treated the mods(yourself included). He's a good guy, he really is, he just needs to reel it in sometimes when he gets worked up. All I am asking is to open the lines of communication with him and let him aplogize. Everyone on bbi will be much better for it! Thanks for listening. Keith - I have numerous remorseful emails from dep -- but way more vitreous ones with hateful attacks in them -- His cycle: He instigates - then he loses it and accuses someone else of committing a transgression -- he becomes belligerent - he lashes out - he refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions and blames everyone within striking distance of heinous and immoral transgressions that excuse his behavior -- I've been through several cycles with him He asked me never to email him again - yet he emails me with hateful emails and after a time then begs me to reconsider his reinstatement -- he was told during his last cycle after he asked for his donation back - that before reconsidered his application a year would have to go by - and yet the familiar remorseful emails have been coming it's really gotten to the point that we don't know what to do about him - we know he's going to erupt again if we let him back -- it's only a question of time

Sounds like Dep needs other things right now in his life other than BBI to assist in his issues.

No one deserves to have that done to them because they banned someone acting like a child

when it was Pete's Corner, you had to kill an active poster in hand-to-hand combat to become unbanned.

In comment 13536144 Deej said:

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when it was Pete's Corner, you had to kill an active poster in hand-to-hand combat to become unbanned.

Aha -- this is why I had to kill Lippy today --- in self-defense

It's obviously the sign of deep psychological issues to be a multiple offender on a football site. I support BBI and encourage anyone banned to seek a mental health professional. That's the best way to solve the problem.

In comment 13536263 LCtheINTMachine said:

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It's obviously the sign of deep psychological issues to be a multiple offender on a football site. I support BBI and encourage anyone banned to seek a mental health professional. That's the best way to solve the problem.

Oh fuck off with you and your sanctimonious bullshit.

and just one observation: Those, such as Arc, who are basing their judgement as too fairness regarding banning and reinstatement simply upon what they see on the threads are flat-out being unfair. Eric and Gidie have made it very clear that the issues and behaviors that prevented Dep (as an example) from being reinstated yet again TOOK PLACE OFF LINE.

If you don't see the off-line exchanges, then how the hell do you know what is fair and what is unfair?

In comment 13536139 montanagiant said:

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In comment 13535435 gidiefor said: Quote: In comment 13534942 Keith said: Quote: That being said, I know for a fact that he regrets his behavior and how he has treated the mods(yourself included). He's a good guy, he really is, he just needs to reel it in sometimes when he gets worked up. All I am asking is to open the lines of communication with him and let him aplogize. Everyone on bbi will be much better for it! Thanks for listening. Keith - I have numerous remorseful emails from dep -- but way more vitreous ones with hateful attacks in them -- His cycle: He instigates - then he loses it and accuses someone else of committing a transgression -- he becomes belligerent - he lashes out - he refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions and blames everyone within striking distance of heinous and immoral transgressions that excuse his behavior -- I've been through several cycles with him He asked me never to email him again - yet he emails me with hateful emails and after a time then begs me to reconsider his reinstatement -- he was told during his last cycle after he asked for his donation back - that before reconsidered his application a year would have to go by - and yet the familiar remorseful emails have been coming it's really gotten to the point that we don't know what to do about him - we know he's going to erupt again if we let him back -- it's only a question of time Sounds like Dep needs other things right now in his life other than BBI to assist in his issues. No one deserves to have that done to them because they banned someone acting like a child

+1

If he (or anyone) has really sent hateful emails to site owners or mods (and I see no reason not to believe what's being shared he), he's got bigger issues than whether or not he posts here.

And he apparently demanded his donation back? That's pathetic.

Anyone who really wants to be his friend, tell him to stop worrying about BBI and grow up

But how someone that sought conflict and basically questioned rational people's fandom of the Giants (usually the objective non homer fans here that may have even been slightly critical of Eli) and ruined a number of decent discussions is being spun as a some ok guy is beyond me.

Maybe the disclosure that he threatened moderators with hate mail should reveal what he's about. Personally did not need to see that to know he was certifiable.

In comment 13536144 Deej said:

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when it was Pete's Corner, you had to kill an active poster in hand-to-hand combat to become unbanned.

When it was Pete's people didn't really get banned. For a large portion of time we didn't even have to log in.

In comment 13538231 steve in ky said:

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In comment 13536144 Deej said: Quote: when it was Pete's Corner, you had to kill an active poster in hand-to-hand combat to become unbanned. When it was Pete's people didn't really get banned. For a large portion of time we didn't even have to log in.

I stand corrected.