Made this comment, along with some others at his football camp today. Not sure what others think but I love the confidence he brings! Link - ( New Window )
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
just someone who sees a seemingly positive thread and wonders how long it'll take for 1 of you miserable fucks to somehow spin it negatively. first post this thread, I was impressed.
I chose to interpret this as "key giants player exhibits confidence entering the season" - ya know, a good thing.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
Im not sure what you're getting on annex about Big guy. Hes got a point. Collins was not bragging. He was asked a question and he answered with a subtle, determined ferver. He expressed confidence in his team and HIS defence. He also showed in that clip that the rivalry between his guys and Dallas has sunk in deep already.
His response was better than Dak's response when he basically said flippantly, "of course we are going to win the division....we're the Cowboys."
People do get butt-hurt far too often around here when players beat their chests about their team. Its not like the whole team is talking shit and giving bulletin board material. Here Collins was asked a question and he answered it sincerely.
I was much more confident about winning our opener against
them BEFORE I heard that Zeke is likely to be suspended.
Doesn't make sense, but we were winning when Theismann broke his leg and seems we lose some hunger and maybe get over confident when we're playing against backups.
at what positions can we say the Giants are undoubtedly improved over last season?
I see only two clear upgraded positions, one downgraded and a whole lot of grey areas.
Their is clear statistical data to support the position that WR #2 with Brandon Marshall clearly outproducing VC in recent seasons will be stronger.
DE. If JPP produces a full season, something that is a rare occurrence in his career, we will be better(only once in his last four years) . Extended healing and adjustment time for his hand should help him as well. I like the depth better as well with the Taylor signing and Okwara having earned valuable experience. Going on a gut feeling I think Avery Moss could be a guy to watch pushing for some pass rush reps as the season progresses but he'll need to do a lot right and very little wrong to get a chance this season.
DT? We're worse on paper with the loss of Hankins until someone steps up and proves they can perform at the consistent high level he provided.
Engram over the functionally average TE's of recent years seems a safe projection, until you look into the actual underwhelming production most highly drafted TE's have produced as rookies. courtesy nfl.com: Rob Gronkowski: 42 for 546, Jimmy Graham: 31 for 356, Vernon Davis: 20 for 265, Shannon Sharpe 7(that's not a typo) for 99 yards, Tony Gonzalez 33 catches for 368, Eric Ebron 25 for 248, Jermaine Gresham 52 for 471. That's a list of future Hall of Famers and several other high 1st Rounders.
RB? Well we have Perkins, who imo still has more to prove, supported by yet another rookie and an expensive bust of a free agent signing in Vereen so far. Upgrade? Not so fast.
OL? Nah. Not on paper or predictive data based on career performance to date. Anything else is a case of rose colored glasses and wishful thinking.
CB? Great starting three with questionable depth. Push.
Landon Collins is a stud playing with some other guys. If Thompson can stay healthy and regain the early but short lived form he had as a rookie we may be better here. Can we bank on it? No.
LB. Is Goodson/Kennard/Robinson/Casillas a better core group than last years with Sheppard? Is it fair to just pencil that in before we've even seen the man start a game in his NFL career? Umm I don't think so. Anyone believe JT Thomas will finally be a productive asset? Prediction: more of the same.
PK. Downgraded from last years season starter Josh Brown. Better than Robbie Gould? Who knows.
P. Same guy. Nothing to worry about here, though he had a poor outing in Green Bay in the post season.
Of course we have to factor in the division opponents and Dallas clearly got worse. Losing key starting OL and a number of defenders. I think Wentz is going to be a pita for years to come but imo that roster isn't ready yet. I've never been sold on the talent in DC and Cousins doesn't scare me at all.
If NFL.com said Jimmy Graham's rookie season was underwhelming, that's a shocking lack of any kind of deep thought.
Yeah, a 3rd round pick who played 1 year of college football and was a converted basketball player didn't tear it up as a rookie. How can a writer put that on paper with a straight face?
at what positions can we say the Giants are undoubtedly improved over last season?
I see only two clear upgraded positions, one downgraded and a whole lot of grey areas.
Their is clear statistical data to support the position that WR #2 with Brandon Marshall clearly outproducing VC in recent seasons will be stronger.
DE. If JPP produces a full season, something that is a rare occurrence in his career, we will be better(only once in his last four years) . Extended healing and adjustment time for his hand should help him as well. I like the depth better as well with the Taylor signing and Okwara having earned valuable experience. Going on a gut feeling I think Avery Moss could be a guy to watch pushing for some pass rush reps as the season progresses but he'll need to do a lot right and very little wrong to get a chance this season.
DT? We're worse on paper with the loss of Hankins until someone steps up and proves they can perform at the consistent high level he provided.
Engram over the functionally average TE's of recent years seems a safe projection, until you look into the actual underwhelming production most highly drafted TE's have produced as rookies. courtesy nfl.com: Rob Gronkowski: 42 for 546, Jimmy Graham: 31 for 356, Vernon Davis: 20 for 265, Shannon Sharpe 7(that's not a typo) for 99 yards, Tony Gonzalez 33 catches for 368, Eric Ebron 25 for 248, Jermaine Gresham 52 for 471. That's a list of future Hall of Famers and several other high 1st Rounders.
RB? Well we have Perkins, who imo still has more to prove, supported by yet another rookie and an expensive bust of a free agent signing in Vereen so far. Upgrade? Not so fast.
OL? Nah. Not on paper or predictive data based on career performance to date. Anything else is a case of rose colored glasses and wishful thinking.
CB? Great starting three with questionable depth. Push.
Landon Collins is a stud playing with some other guys. If Thompson can stay healthy and regain the early but short lived form he had as a rookie we may be better here. Can we bank on it? No.
LB. Is Goodson/Kennard/Robinson/Casillas a better core group than last years with Sheppard? Is it fair to just pencil that in before we've even seen the man start a game in his NFL career? Umm I don't think so. Anyone believe JT Thomas will finally be a productive asset? Prediction: more of the same.
PK. Downgraded from last years season starter Josh Brown. Better than Robbie Gould? Who knows.
P. Same guy. Nothing to worry about here, though he had a poor outing in Green Bay in the post season.
Of course we have to factor in the division opponents and Dallas clearly got worse. Losing key starting OL and a number of defenders. I think Wentz is going to be a pita for years to come but imo that roster isn't ready yet. I've never been sold on the talent in DC and Cousins doesn't scare me at all.
Here's a better question...
Where are they worse?
Not the OL.
I don't know how well Fluke will pan out, I don't know if Biz will be a good draft pick, I don't know if Flowers will improve - but I do know that Pugh missed about 1/4 of the year last season, and that Richburg was playing with a legitimate injury.
Will they be better? I don't know - but I seriously doubt that they'll be worse. My money is on at least marginal improvement. There's no reason to believe this unit will perform at a lower level than they did in 2016 unless we get ravaged by injury.
Not the secondary.
Apple will only be better in year two. Jenkins was an elite CB1 last year, DRC is as good a Nickel corner as there is in football, Collins is one of the best strong safeties in the game right now and Darian Thompson could be the ball hawking FS that puts this group over the top if he can stay healthy.
The Giants have arguably the best secondary in the NFL right now. Almost every single team would trade what they have for what we have. SEA is one of the only teams that would probably stick with what they have if Earl Thomas is 100%
Not the DL.
Yes, we lost Hankins. Hankins was also not particularly good last year. We drafted Tomlinson to be his successor and I expect a similar rookie year from him as we got from Hank. Snacks is still the key and as long as he's healthy, we're going to be extremely hard to run against.
Oh, and Vernon played with a smashed hand most of last year. He's going to be better this year. JPP is even further removed from his accident and is still one of the better two-way DEs in the game. We have decent depth. This unit is very unlikely to be worse simply because Hankins is gone.
Not the RB's.
Jennings is a great guy and I wish him all the best - but he was awful last year. Paul Perkins was noticeably better. Perkins has a year under his belt now and will continue to improve. We were without Vereen most of the year who is one of the best pass catching 3DRB's you'll find. We drafted Gallman, Darkwa is serviceable.
Odds of the RB group being worse in 2017 are very slim.
Not the WR's.
Brandon Marshall is a massive upgrade over Victor Cruz at this point in time. Shepard is going to get better. Beckham is an elite WR1. TK flashed last year and we have a couple of interesting guys at the bottom of the DC.
This unit is almost a lock to be better in 2017.
Not the TE's.
Evan Engram has all the tools to be a game breaking TE. Jerell Adams is going to get better. Ellison is an excellent blocker. And we still have both Tye and LaCosse.
It would be literally impossible for the TE play to not improve in 2017.
Probably not the Linebackers.
Goodson has gotten a lot of good press - long ways from being a dependable 2-down thumper in the middle, but the potential is there. K-Rob is back and was excellent as a pass covering LB last year. Kennard is at least solid. Casillas is ok.
Can't see why this group would take a step back in 2017.
The kicker?
Yeah - it's slightly concerning when you go with an unproven guy like Rosas. I just posted a thread yesterday about being a bit worried about this - but at the end of the day, if he doesn't pan out, we'll be able to at least find a serviceable vet.
Truth be told - I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants had the same record as last year despite a team that I feel is improved from last year's version. It's the nature of the league. But I still feel this is about as solid a roster as you're going to find right now.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
Im not sure what you're getting on annex about Big guy. Hes got a point. Collins was not bragging. He was asked a question and he answered with a subtle, determined ferver. He expressed confidence in his team and HIS defence. He also showed in that clip that the rivalry between his guys and Dallas has sunk in deep already.
His response was better than Dak's response when he basically said flippantly, "of course we are going to win the division....we're the Cowboys."
People do get butt-hurt far too often around here when players beat their chests about their team. Its not like the whole team is talking shit and giving bulletin board material. Here Collins was asked a question and he answered it sincerely.
Kick ass LC.
Chop, what his opinions are, are fine with me. But what gets old is his one constant retort which is, "party pooped in record time! great job BBI." That's all I was responding to..Obnoxious when it becomes an incessant mantra..
This team has depth, only in the fact that it will field 53 players.....quality depth it doesn't have....a few significant injuries and this train can be derailed.....of course, you can say that about any team....
And of course there is a lot of positive speculation.....
Marshall will be way better than Cruz.....or does he age overnight?
Engram will be, dare I say, the OBj of TE's......or will he play like a rookie and make those rookie mistakes at critical times in his first year?
Ellison will be that blocking TE we haven't had for awhile.....or will previous injuries rear their ugly head?
With a year under his belt, Perkins will easily replace Jennings....but who replaces Perkins' spot as a backup? Darkwa, who I doubt has ever played 2 series in a row? Vereen? He can be a spot starter for a game, but can't carry the load.....Gallman? Huge question mark.....is he better than Wilson was, coming out of college? Yes, he is expected to know the playbook, block for Eli, and be the backup right out of the gate.....
OL? If Flowers improves, if Pugh and Richburg stay healthy....that's asking a lot.....but what about RT and RG? That can go south in a heart beat.....expecting a 7th rounder to get better, or a 6th rounder to become a starter? Anyone have a clue of what our draft record is after the second round? The one thing that can help this OL is if Engram can block....we know Ellison can.....if we can only convince our TE coach to show them what a chip block is to help the Tackles, it will help this OL dramatically....
I found it amazing, that neither poster talked about the QB position.....there are those that say Eli had a bad year.....there are those that say Eli was injured in that Washington game....there are those that say, Eli developed happy feet, and threw balls away too soon.....I think Eli was hamstringed last season with this OL, and lack of weapons......yes he is a year older....but I think, he is preparing himself for a big year, possibly his best.....if that OL can give him a slit second more time, if the OL/TE's can learn to run a screen, if they can learn to convert 3rd and short runs, if Marshall has another year in him, if Engram turns out to be the wunderkind we hope he can be, if Perkins can play a full season(and hopefully we get a vet RB back), if Vereen can stay on the field, if SS takes that next step, then I think Eli finally has one of those "stat" years, that we have been waiting for.....
The defense still has question marks.....who plays FS? What happens if Apple has a hammy or if DRC gets nicked(you know he will)? Expecting Tomlinson to just replace Hankins is crazy(he may develop into a good DT, but it's not happening overnight)......If Goodson can't replace the likes of Sheppard, there is something very wrong here....
I expect this defense to play as well as last season for two reasons....one, if they stay healthy, they can even be better.....two, I think the offense is going to put points on the board, and this is going to allow Spag's to gamble more and bring more pressure against teams that will be playing from behind....
ST's? we just are not consistent....we have up/down years.....coach/personnel?
This team has the potential....SB potential.....if we stay clear of injuries, and the new players pan out, it's just a matter of the coaches putting the players in position to win.....
'Here's a better question... Where are they worse?'...
That's not a better question. Why? because the goal from season to season is to improve the roster to win a championship. We needed to get better, significantly so in certain areas /cough O-line. In the context of our divisional opponents I feel we've gained ground on Dallas and don't consider washington or filly to be real threats unless we stumble.
Taking a wider league view though have we done enough to win a title? Have we closed the gap on the top four contenders in the Pats, Packers, Falcons and Raiders? I don't think so. We're in that next tier with the Steelers, Chiefs, Cards and Seahawks. So we didn't get enough done imo. Which is the point...isn't it? Championship is the goal right?
And when you do make these kinds of observations in July, it doesn't always bear out in the reg. season. A team that adds a bunch of expensive free agents gets "better". And how many times has that course of action been a bust?
Such as "Preseason means nothing," or "I don't care about OTAs."
annex has a point, though - you can't make a positive post without some pain-in-the-ass pointing out the negative. To me, that's much more obnoxious.
They think it makes them better fans. Fans sitting on their couches telling players to not talk and to stfu is incredibly pathetic. There is a segment of fans that think players should be robots and it's usually that exact same segment that love to throw cold water on anything slightly positive, so as to make themselves look as though they don't wear "blue colored glasses".
It must suck to constantly find the negative in everything just so you can pretend that you are some kind of smarter fan. In reality, it just makes you miserable.
That's not a better question. Why? because the goal from season to season is to improve the roster to win a championship. We needed to get better, significantly so in certain areas /cough O-line. In the context of our divisional opponents I feel we've gained ground on Dallas and don't consider washington or filly to be real threats unless we stumble.
Taking a wider league view though have we done enough to win a title? Have we closed the gap on the top four contenders in the Pats, Packers, Falcons and Raiders? I don't think so. We're in that next tier with the Steelers, Chiefs, Cards and Seahawks. So we didn't get enough done imo. Which is the point...isn't it? Championship is the goal right?
Did you think the Giants had an elite roster in 2007 or 2011?
My guess is no, because virtually no one did.
How are the Giants not in the same league as ATL? The Falcons defense was AWFUL last year. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in both points and yards. They were bad. Our defense is significantly better than theirs and I don't think the gap between their offense and ours is nearly as large.
party pooped in record time! great job BBI.
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party pooped in record time! great job BBI.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
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party pooped in record time! great job BBI.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
just someone who sees a seemingly positive thread and wonders how long it'll take for 1 of you miserable fucks to somehow spin it negatively. first post this thread, I was impressed.
I chose to interpret this as "key giants player exhibits confidence entering the season" - ya know, a good thing.
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party pooped in record time! great job BBI.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
Im not sure what you're getting on annex about Big guy. Hes got a point. Collins was not bragging. He was asked a question and he answered with a subtle, determined ferver. He expressed confidence in his team and HIS defence. He also showed in that clip that the rivalry between his guys and Dallas has sunk in deep already.
His response was better than Dak's response when he basically said flippantly, "of course we are going to win the division....we're the Cowboys."
People do get butt-hurt far too often around here when players beat their chests about their team. Its not like the whole team is talking shit and giving bulletin board material. Here Collins was asked a question and he answered it sincerely.
Kick ass LC.
them BEFORE I heard that Zeke is likely to be suspended.
Doesn't make sense, but we were winning when Theismann broke his leg and seems we lose some hunger and maybe get over confident when we're playing against backups.
I see only two clear upgraded positions, one downgraded and a whole lot of grey areas.
Their is clear statistical data to support the position that WR #2 with Brandon Marshall clearly outproducing VC in recent seasons will be stronger.
DE. If JPP produces a full season, something that is a rare occurrence in his career, we will be better(only once in his last four years) . Extended healing and adjustment time for his hand should help him as well. I like the depth better as well with the Taylor signing and Okwara having earned valuable experience. Going on a gut feeling I think Avery Moss could be a guy to watch pushing for some pass rush reps as the season progresses but he'll need to do a lot right and very little wrong to get a chance this season.
DT? We're worse on paper with the loss of Hankins until someone steps up and proves they can perform at the consistent high level he provided.
Engram over the functionally average TE's of recent years seems a safe projection, until you look into the actual underwhelming production most highly drafted TE's have produced as rookies. courtesy nfl.com: Rob Gronkowski: 42 for 546, Jimmy Graham: 31 for 356, Vernon Davis: 20 for 265, Shannon Sharpe 7(that's not a typo) for 99 yards, Tony Gonzalez 33 catches for 368, Eric Ebron 25 for 248, Jermaine Gresham 52 for 471. That's a list of future Hall of Famers and several other high 1st Rounders.
RB? Well we have Perkins, who imo still has more to prove, supported by yet another rookie and an expensive bust of a free agent signing in Vereen so far. Upgrade? Not so fast.
OL? Nah. Not on paper or predictive data based on career performance to date. Anything else is a case of rose colored glasses and wishful thinking.
CB? Great starting three with questionable depth. Push.
Landon Collins is a stud playing with some other guys. If Thompson can stay healthy and regain the early but short lived form he had as a rookie we may be better here. Can we bank on it? No.
LB. Is Goodson/Kennard/Robinson/Casillas a better core group than last years with Sheppard? Is it fair to just pencil that in before we've even seen the man start a game in his NFL career? Umm I don't think so. Anyone believe JT Thomas will finally be a productive asset? Prediction: more of the same.
PK. Downgraded from last years season starter Josh Brown. Better than Robbie Gould? Who knows.
P. Same guy. Nothing to worry about here, though he had a poor outing in Green Bay in the post season.
Of course we have to factor in the division opponents and Dallas clearly got worse. Losing key starting OL and a number of defenders. I think Wentz is going to be a pita for years to come but imo that roster isn't ready yet. I've never been sold on the talent in DC and Cousins doesn't scare me at all.
Yeah, a 3rd round pick who played 1 year of college football and was a converted basketball player didn't tear it up as a rookie. How can a writer put that on paper with a straight face?
I see only two clear upgraded positions, one downgraded and a whole lot of grey areas.
Their is clear statistical data to support the position that WR #2 with Brandon Marshall clearly outproducing VC in recent seasons will be stronger.
DE. If JPP produces a full season, something that is a rare occurrence in his career, we will be better(only once in his last four years) . Extended healing and adjustment time for his hand should help him as well. I like the depth better as well with the Taylor signing and Okwara having earned valuable experience. Going on a gut feeling I think Avery Moss could be a guy to watch pushing for some pass rush reps as the season progresses but he'll need to do a lot right and very little wrong to get a chance this season.
DT? We're worse on paper with the loss of Hankins until someone steps up and proves they can perform at the consistent high level he provided.
Engram over the functionally average TE's of recent years seems a safe projection, until you look into the actual underwhelming production most highly drafted TE's have produced as rookies. courtesy nfl.com: Rob Gronkowski: 42 for 546, Jimmy Graham: 31 for 356, Vernon Davis: 20 for 265, Shannon Sharpe 7(that's not a typo) for 99 yards, Tony Gonzalez 33 catches for 368, Eric Ebron 25 for 248, Jermaine Gresham 52 for 471. That's a list of future Hall of Famers and several other high 1st Rounders.
RB? Well we have Perkins, who imo still has more to prove, supported by yet another rookie and an expensive bust of a free agent signing in Vereen so far. Upgrade? Not so fast.
OL? Nah. Not on paper or predictive data based on career performance to date. Anything else is a case of rose colored glasses and wishful thinking.
CB? Great starting three with questionable depth. Push.
Landon Collins is a stud playing with some other guys. If Thompson can stay healthy and regain the early but short lived form he had as a rookie we may be better here. Can we bank on it? No.
LB. Is Goodson/Kennard/Robinson/Casillas a better core group than last years with Sheppard? Is it fair to just pencil that in before we've even seen the man start a game in his NFL career? Umm I don't think so. Anyone believe JT Thomas will finally be a productive asset? Prediction: more of the same.
PK. Downgraded from last years season starter Josh Brown. Better than Robbie Gould? Who knows.
P. Same guy. Nothing to worry about here, though he had a poor outing in Green Bay in the post season.
Of course we have to factor in the division opponents and Dallas clearly got worse. Losing key starting OL and a number of defenders. I think Wentz is going to be a pita for years to come but imo that roster isn't ready yet. I've never been sold on the talent in DC and Cousins doesn't scare me at all.
Here's a better question...
Where are they worse?
Not the OL.
I don't know how well Fluke will pan out, I don't know if Biz will be a good draft pick, I don't know if Flowers will improve - but I do know that Pugh missed about 1/4 of the year last season, and that Richburg was playing with a legitimate injury.
Will they be better? I don't know - but I seriously doubt that they'll be worse. My money is on at least marginal improvement. There's no reason to believe this unit will perform at a lower level than they did in 2016 unless we get ravaged by injury.
Not the secondary.
Apple will only be better in year two. Jenkins was an elite CB1 last year, DRC is as good a Nickel corner as there is in football, Collins is one of the best strong safeties in the game right now and Darian Thompson could be the ball hawking FS that puts this group over the top if he can stay healthy.
The Giants have arguably the best secondary in the NFL right now. Almost every single team would trade what they have for what we have. SEA is one of the only teams that would probably stick with what they have if Earl Thomas is 100%
Not the DL.
Yes, we lost Hankins. Hankins was also not particularly good last year. We drafted Tomlinson to be his successor and I expect a similar rookie year from him as we got from Hank. Snacks is still the key and as long as he's healthy, we're going to be extremely hard to run against.
Oh, and Vernon played with a smashed hand most of last year. He's going to be better this year. JPP is even further removed from his accident and is still one of the better two-way DEs in the game. We have decent depth. This unit is very unlikely to be worse simply because Hankins is gone.
Not the RB's.
Jennings is a great guy and I wish him all the best - but he was awful last year. Paul Perkins was noticeably better. Perkins has a year under his belt now and will continue to improve. We were without Vereen most of the year who is one of the best pass catching 3DRB's you'll find. We drafted Gallman, Darkwa is serviceable.
Odds of the RB group being worse in 2017 are very slim.
Not the WR's.
Brandon Marshall is a massive upgrade over Victor Cruz at this point in time. Shepard is going to get better. Beckham is an elite WR1. TK flashed last year and we have a couple of interesting guys at the bottom of the DC.
This unit is almost a lock to be better in 2017.
Not the TE's.
Evan Engram has all the tools to be a game breaking TE. Jerell Adams is going to get better. Ellison is an excellent blocker. And we still have both Tye and LaCosse.
It would be literally impossible for the TE play to not improve in 2017.
Probably not the Linebackers.
Goodson has gotten a lot of good press - long ways from being a dependable 2-down thumper in the middle, but the potential is there. K-Rob is back and was excellent as a pass covering LB last year. Kennard is at least solid. Casillas is ok.
Can't see why this group would take a step back in 2017.
The kicker?
Yeah - it's slightly concerning when you go with an unproven guy like Rosas. I just posted a thread yesterday about being a bit worried about this - but at the end of the day, if he doesn't pan out, we'll be able to at least find a serviceable vet.
Truth be told - I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants had the same record as last year despite a team that I feel is improved from last year's version. It's the nature of the league. But I still feel this is about as solid a roster as you're going to find right now.
TL;DR... this is going to be a good fucking team.
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party pooped in record time! great job BBI.
Whoever you are or have been, shut up already with that..It gets stale
Im not sure what you're getting on annex about Big guy. Hes got a point. Collins was not bragging. He was asked a question and he answered with a subtle, determined ferver. He expressed confidence in his team and HIS defence. He also showed in that clip that the rivalry between his guys and Dallas has sunk in deep already.
His response was better than Dak's response when he basically said flippantly, "of course we are going to win the division....we're the Cowboys."
People do get butt-hurt far too often around here when players beat their chests about their team. Its not like the whole team is talking shit and giving bulletin board material. Here Collins was asked a question and he answered it sincerely.
Kick ass LC.
Chop, what his opinions are, are fine with me. But what gets old is his one constant retort which is, "party pooped in record time! great job BBI." That's all I was responding to..Obnoxious when it becomes an incessant mantra..
annex has a point, though - you can't make a positive post without some pain-in-the-ass pointing out the negative. To me, that's much more obnoxious.
annex has a point, though - you can't make a positive post without some pain-in-the-ass pointing out the negative. To me, that's much more obnoxious.
Fine
The key, though, is injuries.....
This team has depth, only in the fact that it will field 53 players.....quality depth it doesn't have....a few significant injuries and this train can be derailed.....of course, you can say that about any team....
And of course there is a lot of positive speculation.....
Marshall will be way better than Cruz.....or does he age overnight?
Engram will be, dare I say, the OBj of TE's......or will he play like a rookie and make those rookie mistakes at critical times in his first year?
Ellison will be that blocking TE we haven't had for awhile.....or will previous injuries rear their ugly head?
With a year under his belt, Perkins will easily replace Jennings....but who replaces Perkins' spot as a backup? Darkwa, who I doubt has ever played 2 series in a row? Vereen? He can be a spot starter for a game, but can't carry the load.....Gallman? Huge question mark.....is he better than Wilson was, coming out of college? Yes, he is expected to know the playbook, block for Eli, and be the backup right out of the gate.....
OL? If Flowers improves, if Pugh and Richburg stay healthy....that's asking a lot.....but what about RT and RG? That can go south in a heart beat.....expecting a 7th rounder to get better, or a 6th rounder to become a starter? Anyone have a clue of what our draft record is after the second round? The one thing that can help this OL is if Engram can block....we know Ellison can.....if we can only convince our TE coach to show them what a chip block is to help the Tackles, it will help this OL dramatically....
I found it amazing, that neither poster talked about the QB position.....there are those that say Eli had a bad year.....there are those that say Eli was injured in that Washington game....there are those that say, Eli developed happy feet, and threw balls away too soon.....I think Eli was hamstringed last season with this OL, and lack of weapons......yes he is a year older....but I think, he is preparing himself for a big year, possibly his best.....if that OL can give him a slit second more time, if the OL/TE's can learn to run a screen, if they can learn to convert 3rd and short runs, if Marshall has another year in him, if Engram turns out to be the wunderkind we hope he can be, if Perkins can play a full season(and hopefully we get a vet RB back), if Vereen can stay on the field, if SS takes that next step, then I think Eli finally has one of those "stat" years, that we have been waiting for.....
The defense still has question marks.....who plays FS? What happens if Apple has a hammy or if DRC gets nicked(you know he will)? Expecting Tomlinson to just replace Hankins is crazy(he may develop into a good DT, but it's not happening overnight)......If Goodson can't replace the likes of Sheppard, there is something very wrong here....
I expect this defense to play as well as last season for two reasons....one, if they stay healthy, they can even be better.....two, I think the offense is going to put points on the board, and this is going to allow Spag's to gamble more and bring more pressure against teams that will be playing from behind....
ST's? we just are not consistent....we have up/down years.....coach/personnel?
This team has the potential....SB potential.....if we stay clear of injuries, and the new players pan out, it's just a matter of the coaches putting the players in position to win.....
Taking a wider league view though have we done enough to win a title? Have we closed the gap on the top four contenders in the Pats, Packers, Falcons and Raiders? I don't think so. We're in that next tier with the Steelers, Chiefs, Cards and Seahawks. So we didn't get enough done imo. Which is the point...isn't it? Championship is the goal right?
And when you do make these kinds of observations in July, it doesn't always bear out in the reg. season. A team that adds a bunch of expensive free agents gets "better". And how many times has that course of action been a bust?
annex has a point, though - you can't make a positive post without some pain-in-the-ass pointing out the negative. To me, that's much more obnoxious.
They think it makes them better fans. Fans sitting on their couches telling players to not talk and to stfu is incredibly pathetic. There is a segment of fans that think players should be robots and it's usually that exact same segment that love to throw cold water on anything slightly positive, so as to make themselves look as though they don't wear "blue colored glasses".
It must suck to constantly find the negative in everything just so you can pretend that you are some kind of smarter fan. In reality, it just makes you miserable.
Taking a wider league view though have we done enough to win a title? Have we closed the gap on the top four contenders in the Pats, Packers, Falcons and Raiders? I don't think so. We're in that next tier with the Steelers, Chiefs, Cards and Seahawks. So we didn't get enough done imo. Which is the point...isn't it? Championship is the goal right?
Did you think the Giants had an elite roster in 2007 or 2011?
My guess is no, because virtually no one did.
How are the Giants not in the same league as ATL? The Falcons defense was AWFUL last year. They finished in the bottom 3rd of the league in both points and yards. They were bad. Our defense is significantly better than theirs and I don't think the gap between their offense and ours is nearly as large.