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DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:42 pm
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Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him in a meeting last week, according to @WindhorstESPN.

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Jeez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 3:44 pm : link
the Warriors not only beat them, but ripped out their hearts too. They don't even want to try again.
Since they cut the GM loose  
JonC : 7/21/2017 3:45 pm : link
seems Lebron has made it clear he's out, Irving wanting to follow suit.

Ego, man.
kyrie  
viggie : 7/21/2017 3:45 pm : link
for melo,straight up lol. seriously maybe he knows the west is loaded and the celts are coming.
Melo's available.  
Heisenberg : 7/21/2017 3:45 pm : link
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He def knows Lebron is out.  
Keith : 7/21/2017 3:46 pm : link
Melo for Kyrie.
Wow  
Deej : 7/21/2017 3:47 pm : link
I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.
What a shitshow the NBA is right now.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 3:47 pm : link
A one-team league.
they still control  
Enzo : 7/21/2017 3:48 pm : link
him for 2 more years. Not time to panic...yet.
Lebron  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:49 pm : link
"blindsided"
As GM, Lebron expected to be told first.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 3:50 pm : link
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LeBron and Kyrie  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 3:51 pm : link
to the Knicks for the maximum number of 1st round picks we're allowed to give them + Hernangomez.

Kyrie
Hardaway Jr
LeBron
Melo
Porzingis

That team beats GS!

Haha
If the Cavs are about to fall  
Metnut : 7/21/2017 3:52 pm : link
apart, and Lebron is going to leave after next year anyway, maybe they should trade Love, Irving and Lebron and get loaded up on assets? Is one more year of Lebron a better proposition than being super loaded up with assets for a long time?
They won't get value back now  
Eric on Li : 7/21/2017 3:52 pm : link
but I actually think it would have been a smart time to try to trade him with his value high (earlier this offseason obviously). I think this offseason was their chance to change things up for the better to give Lebron a reason to stay and obviously the exact opposite has happened.
I have a sneaky feeling that  
Keith : 7/21/2017 3:53 pm : link
it's going to be the Lakers vs the Warriors for a few years.
RE: Wow  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13535076 Deej said:
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I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.


Is that it? Or is it an illustration of what an awful idea it is to allow your superstar to be the de facto GM?
RE: Wow  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13535076 Deej said:
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I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.


The guys they gave ridiculous contracts to were all guys LeBron wanted them to re-sign at any cost. Now he's ready to bounce.
Greg beat me to it  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 3:55 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:55 pm : link
The request came last week and was made to Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert. Irving has expressed that he wants to go play in a situation where he can be a more focal point and no longer wants to play alongside LeBron James, sources said.
Irvings agent Jeff Wechsler would not confirm or deny whether Irving asked for a trade.
Kyrie and I had a meeting with Cavs leadership where we discussed many different scenarios in reference to Kyrie and his future with the team, Wechsler told ESPNs Adrian Wojnarowski. The basis of those discussions and what went on in those discussions are between the Cavs and us. We are respectfully going to keep those private.
RE: If the Cavs are about to fall  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13535086 Metnut said:
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apart, and Lebron is going to leave after next year anyway, maybe they should trade Love, Irving and Lebron and get loaded up on assets? Is one more year of Lebron a better proposition than being super loaded up with assets for a long time?


That's probably a good idea. That team is fucked after next season if they stay the course here.
RE: Jeez...  
santacruzom : 7/21/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13535065 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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the Warriors not only beat them, but ripped out their hearts too. They don't even want to try again.


Well, the Cavs always struck me as an organization that doesn't really try hard that much. They were just able to sign LeBron, and they were able to draft some good players and some valuable trade assets on account of sucking.
Kick the tires?  
Canton : 7/21/2017 3:57 pm : link
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RE: RE: Wow  
Keith : 7/21/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13535093 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13535076 Deej said:


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I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.



The guys they gave ridiculous contracts to were all guys LeBron wanted them to re-sign at any cost. Now he's ready to bounce.


Lebron did the same thing when he bounced the first time. He forced their hand into acquiring a bunch of overpriced names and then booked when he realized he couldn't win there.
RE: RE: Wow  
santacruzom : 7/21/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13535092 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13535076 Deej said:


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I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.



Is that it? Or is it an illustration of what an awful idea it is to allow your superstar to be the de facto GM?


But that in itself is a symptom of being a terribly run team.
How nuts would it be if they traded LeBron  
Deej : 7/21/2017 3:58 pm : link
as a one year rental? BOS (Horford/Tatum)? I feel like NO should get involved. Aldridge to Philly, LeBron to SAS, futures from Philly and Murray from SAS to CLE?
Hmm...  
Reeses Pieces : 7/21/2017 3:58 pm : link
D Rose signs with the Cavs.

Cats send Kyrie and Tristan Kardashian to NY for Melo, O'Quinn and Lee. Nice
yes it is  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 3:59 pm : link
My comment was more about whether we dodged a bullet with David Griffin. Maybe we did, but I think it's hard to pin this on him. He was effectively neutered the second Lebron returned.
RE: RE: Wow  
Deej : 7/21/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13535092 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13535076 Deej said:


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I wonder if LeBron roughed him up after the series.

Cleveland is quietly a TERRIBLY run team. I think we dodged a bullet with their GM.



Is that it? Or is it an illustration of what an awful idea it is to allow your superstar to be the de facto GM?


Same thing. Part of being terribly run is letting LeBron dictate that you resign every dumbfuck.
Lebron will end up in Houston  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 3:59 pm : link
with Paul and Harden, and we'll be stuck with Melo for two more years.
RE: RE: Jeez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13535098 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13535065 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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the Warriors not only beat them, but ripped out their hearts too. They don't even want to try again.



Well, the Cavs always struck me as an organization that doesn't really try hard that much. They were just able to sign LeBron, and they were able to draft some good players and some valuable trade assets on account of sucking.


It was just straight luck to get FOUR first overall picks in a dozen years despite having the worst record just once. The Lakers look well run now, but they were lucky as fuck to not only keep their first round pick, but move up a spot too (and get the biggest name player).

For all of the talk about well run franchises, this sport more than any other involves luck due to the lottery system and stars winning the championships.
Cavs  
Reeses Pieces : 7/21/2017 4:01 pm : link
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RE: Lebron will end up in Houston  
Deej : 7/21/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13535108 bceagle05 said:
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with Paul and Harden, and we'll be stuck with Melo for two more years.


Capela+ contracts for LeBron

It's really not crazy. They're the next best positioned team to run at GSW.
That's why it's nice to be able to close deals.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 4:03 pm : link
Are we still at the two-yard line?
RE: RE: RE: Jeez...  
Deej : 7/21/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13535109 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13535098 santacruzom said:


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In comment 13535065 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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the Warriors not only beat them, but ripped out their hearts too. They don't even want to try again.



Well, the Cavs always struck me as an organization that doesn't really try hard that much. They were just able to sign LeBron, and they were able to draft some good players and some valuable trade assets on account of sucking.



It was just straight luck to get FOUR first overall picks in a dozen years despite having the worst record just once. The Lakers look well run now, but they were lucky as fuck to not only keep their first round pick, but move up a spot too (and get the biggest name player).

For all of the talk about well run franchises, this sport more than any other involves luck due to the lottery system and stars winning the championships.


Except GSW is built on a mid lotto pick, a late lotto pick, a 2nd round pick, and good cap management. Kobe wasnt an elite pick (even if the Nets would have taken him) and then LA drew out Shaq. Miami combined a #5 pick with cap space to built a dream team.
Kinda dumb to trade LeBron unless you get absolutely blown  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 4:07 pm : link
away like Brooklyn's number 1, LAL/SAC pick, Tatum, and Smart.

Otherwise, you're better off going to the Finals with him again (raking in that dough), then decide if you want to trade Kyrie too at that point.

If all of this is true, I'd try to trade Kevin Love IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Not buying it  
ghost718 : 7/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
He'd have to be pretty dumb for this to be true.With the way the league is going,you better hop on board one of these super teams.Also,he's 2 years away from a max contract.

Could be applying pressure to the Cavs,there off season hasn't gone very well.
I don't know, ending up with a player of Draymond Green's caliber  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
with a second round pick strikes me as pretty damned lucky.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeez...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13535121 Deej said:
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Except GSW is built on a mid lotto pick, a late lotto pick, a 2nd round pick, and good cap management. Kobe wasnt an elite pick (even if the Nets would have taken him) and then LA drew out Shaq. Miami combined a #5 pick with cap space to built a dream team.


I don't see how drafting a future MVP after the likes of Rubio and Jonny Flynn are selected isn't considered luck. IDK about you, but I definitely thought he was better than those guys before the draft.
RE: Kinda dumb to trade LeBron unless you get absolutely blown  
Deej : 7/21/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13535126 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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away like Brooklyn's number 1, LAL/SAC pick, Tatum, and Smart.

Otherwise, you're better off going to the Finals with him again (raking in that dough), then decide if you want to trade Kyrie too at that point.

If all of this is true, I'd try to trade Kevin Love IMMEDIATELY!!!!


Probably right. That's also a bad fan base to pitch on the idea of "we're gonna get high picks and rebuild".

They should trade off Love and try to get a lot more athletic. Trade skill for athletes, see if that works. Figure out a way to get an athletic center and try to win with rebounding, defense, power. If Kyrie stays.
RE: I don't know, ending up with a player of Draymond Green's caliber  
Deej : 7/21/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13535136 Greg from LI said:
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with a second round pick strikes me as pretty damned lucky.


Sure. But that's 3 of the 4 recent multi-title winners (ex Spurs) that werent built around landing a #1 overall pick and building from there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeez...  
santacruzom : 7/21/2017 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13535121 Deej said:
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Except GSW is built on a mid lotto pick, a late lotto pick, a 2nd round pick, and good cap management.


People forget this now, but GSW also took some risks that were fairly criticized at the time, especially by its own fan base. You can't say that the new ownership is one that does not try. In fact, you could say that early on, their gall to try was almost considered unwelcome and out of character to a fan base that kind of gave up on being a playoff powerhouse and just wanted the team to at least be entertaining.

maybe he didnt enjoy  
hitdog42 : 7/21/2017 4:15 pm : link
hitting the game winner in the finals bringing a title to cleveland and nobody ever mentioning a thing about it.

and then having to hear about how much help lebron needs and how hard it is for him to carry everyone.
Hahhaha  
UConn4523 : 7/21/2017 4:16 pm : link
The NBA just keeps providing laughs. What a league.
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arcarsenal : 7/21/2017 4:18 pm : link
How quickly people forget what the Cavs were with Kyrie before LeBron returned.

A team that was winning games in the 20's, finishing in last place, and missing the playoffs entirely.

Kyrie is a really good player, but if he thinks he's going to be the best player on a championship caliber team, he's in for a rude awakening.
Maybe Kyrie  
Deej : 7/21/2017 4:20 pm : link
doesnt want to live there anymore. Or is rightly worried that without Lebron it's a bubble playoff team, and he'll get crapped on for that.
Irving  
DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 4:21 pm : link
doesn't want to be #2 to Lebron... but is okay being #2 to Leonard?

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The San Antonio Spurs are Kyrie Irving's "preferred" destination. (Via ESPN)
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Kyle in NY : 7/21/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13535162 arcarsenal said:
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How quickly people forget what the Cavs were with Kyrie before LeBron returned.

A team that was winning games in the 20's, finishing in last place, and missing the playoffs entirely.

Kyrie is a really good player, but if he thinks he's going to be the best player on a championship caliber team, he's in for a rude awakening.


I get what you're saying, but Kyrie has a made a leap and is a better player now than he was then
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David in LA : 7/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13535162 arcarsenal said:
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How quickly people forget what the Cavs were with Kyrie before LeBron returned.

A team that was winning games in the 20's, finishing in last place, and missing the playoffs entirely.

Kyrie is a really good player, but if he thinks he's going to be the best player on a championship caliber team, he's in for a rude awakening.


I have my doubts that he could carry a team as the #1 guy. I have my doubts that's his motivation, I think it's a kick in the ass to the front office and owner to get their shit together.
I don't agree David.  
Keith : 7/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
I think this goes deeper than that. I think he knows Lebron is leaving and this is him getting in front of that, IMO.
RE: Maybe Kyrie  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2017 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13535166 Deej said:
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doesnt want to live there anymore.


Has Cleveland somehow become an even shittier place to live in the last year?
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arcarsenal : 7/21/2017 4:25 pm : link
He absolutely is, but that doesn't change the last thing I said.

Kyrie will never be the best player on a Championship team. He's an incredible offensive player and is the closest thing I've probably ever seen to Iverson, but he doesn't play defense and he's not a good facilitator, either.

Kyrie has one of the most devastating handles in the league and is impossible to guard 1 on 1. I love watching him. All I'm saying is that if he thinks he's going to find greener pastures where he's the Alpha dog on a team that is playing in the Finals, he's sorely mistaken.
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