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NFT: NBA Major story- Kyrie Irving asks to be traded

DanMetroMan : 7/21/2017 3:42 pm
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Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him in a meeting last week, according to @WindhorstESPN.

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Thank goodness Bill Simmons isn't our GM.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 5:50 pm : link
Melo, Frank and two unprotected picks for Kyrie? That's excessive.
So the Knicks basically gave up 3 firsts and Melo  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 5:50 pm : link
for Irving in that guess of a trade? No thanks.
I doubt the Suns would do it either.  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 5:52 pm : link
Cleveland is stealing from both in that scenario.
Question(s)  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 5:55 pm : link
Do we have any money to sign anybody or no? If we did sign someone now then is the earliest we could trade them?
That is an awful trade proposal  
Chris684 : 7/21/2017 5:56 pm : link
From Simmons.

Way too much going out from NY and Phoenix.
RE: That is an awful trade proposal  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13535373 Chris684 said:
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From Simmons.

Way too much going out from NY and Phoenix.


There's no way on Earth I would trade what amounts to 3 consecutive 1's for Kyree. Then to trade Melo on top of that with basically no return for him????????????????????? HELL NO.
wow Ramona is dumb.  
Enzo : 7/21/2017 6:04 pm : link
this is a Berman level post:
Quote:
Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account
@ramonashelburne
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Chris Haynes
Knicks very interesting. Kyrie is from the area. KP was already dangled...and Knicks could still do S&T with DRose
Legit or not?  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 6:07 pm : link
Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

Jordan Schultz Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Source: #Knicks and #Cavs in serious talks centered around Carmelo Anthony and Kyrie Irving+possible 3rd team (maybe #Suns).
...  
EddieNYG : 7/21/2017 6:07 pm : link
Quote:
Jordan Schultz‏Verified account
@Schultz_Report

Jordan Schultz Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Source: #Knicks and #Cavs in serious talks centered around Carmelo Anthony and Kyrie Irving+possible 3rd team (maybe #Suns).

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Melo is not going to CLE.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 6:09 pm : link
He's not giving up his option and he's not going to be stuck there when LeBron bounces.
I agree with Simmons' original premise....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/21/2017 6:09 pm : link
Irving and KP together. That'd be fun.
Scott Perry is coming up on ESPN soon  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 6:09 pm : link
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RE: Melo is not going to CLE.  
UConn4523 : 7/21/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13535382 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He's not giving up his option and he's not going to be stuck there when LeBron bounces.


But if he gets to the finals year 1 than is it worth it? Melos options are limited, and most scenarios are him not playing for a contender. Him going there for a year then either leaving the year after LeBron or forcing a trade after LeBron leaves are a realistic options.

I'd say going to Cleveland is very much in the cards.
If the Knicks trade Melo  
EddieNYG : 7/21/2017 6:22 pm : link
And end up with Kyrie Irving...that would be amazing!
.  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 6:24 pm : link
Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
NYK, obviously, has strong interest in Kyrie. Wouldn't be willing to trade Porzingis at this point
Scott Perry:  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 6:26 pm : link
Can't comment on Kyrie because of tampering

Fucking Michael Smith suggested Kyrie and Thompson for Melo and KP. Fuck him.




Ian Begley‏
@IanBegley

Knicks would consider trading Carmelo Anthony and future first rounders for Kyrie Irving.
A trade in which we part with Melo and end up  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/21/2017 6:26 pm : link
With Irving...

PLEASE GOD.
RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13535391 Anakim said:
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Ian Begley‏ @IanBegley
NYK, obviously, has strong interest in Kyrie. Wouldn't be willing to trade Porzingis at this point


"At this point"?????????? What would be the purpose if they were willing to trade him at any point?
Can't Melo opt out after next year?  
colin : 7/21/2017 6:27 pm : link
I say make the trade, send Melo over there for a year as a spy, convince LBJ to come to the Knicks next year with Melo. LBJ, KP, Kyrie, and Melo = championship, haha.
RE: Scott Perry:  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/21/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13535395 Anakim said:
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Can't comment on Kyrie because of tampering

Fucking Michael Smith suggested Kyrie and Thompson for Melo and KP. Fuck him.




Ian Begley‏
@IanBegley

Knicks would consider trading Carmelo Anthony and future first rounders for Kyrie Irving.


So wait...

- we'd trade Melo & picks
- end up with Kyrie
- still have Frank

Hard to argue with that one.
Knicks aren't parting with  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/21/2017 6:28 pm : link
KP.
Scott Perry:  
Anakim : 7/21/2017 6:30 pm : link
Reiterates what he said at the press conference about Melo. "We're in communication with Carmelo and his group"

Perry has not met with James Dolan. PERIOD.


Wow
LOL Scott Perry  
widmerseyebrow : 7/21/2017 6:31 pm : link
has yet to meet Dolan. Thought it was a little odd to not stick up for his boss when asked about the dysfunction centering around Dolan, but I guess that explains it. Hahaha
Regardless of what happens...  
brunswick : 7/21/2017 6:37 pm : link
Have to give Kyrie all the credit in the world for wanting to play here w/all the BS. Most people wouldn't want the challenge.
Irving is from Jersey no  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/21/2017 6:44 pm : link
?

Probably grew up a Knicks fan.
Just spitballing here  
bigbluehoya : 7/21/2017 7:05 pm : link
If the price on Kyrie includes 2 firsts, better off convincing Melo to stick and trying to lure LBJ here after the season (assuming Kyrie dealt elsewhere)?

Between now and then, you do whatever is needed to create the room by dumping Lee, KOQ, Lance, Noah.

Just a bat-shit crazy idea that occurred to me.

I worry that if you send 2 unprotected firsts along w Melo, you have a much better team right now, but do you have enough ammo to get over the hump to true contender in 2-3 years?
RE: Scott Perry:  
Deej : 7/21/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13535395 Anakim said:
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Can't comment on Kyrie because of tampering

Fucking Michael Smith suggested Kyrie and Thompson for Melo and KP. Fuck him.




Ian Begley‏
@IanBegley

Knicks would consider trading Carmelo Anthony and future first rounders for Kyrie Irving.


"Knicks" is so vague. "would consider" is so vague. "future first rounders" is decently vague.

Kyrie news broke 3 hours ago and suddenly the "Knicks" have a position/plan? Feels like made up a rumor with vague enough weasel words that you could never be disproven.
RE: RE: Scott Perry:  
colin : 7/21/2017 7:14 pm : link
In comment 13535429 Deej said:
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In comment 13535395 Anakim said:


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Can't comment on Kyrie because of tampering

Fucking Michael Smith suggested Kyrie and Thompson for Melo and KP. Fuck him.




Ian Begley‏
@IanBegley

Knicks would consider trading Carmelo Anthony and future first rounders for Kyrie Irving.



"Knicks" is so vague. "would consider" is so vague. "future first rounders" is decently vague.

Kyrie news broke 3 hours ago and suddenly the "Knicks" have a position/plan? Feels like made up a rumor with vague enough weasel words that you could never be disproven.


Allegedly Kyrie voiced his desire to be traded last week. Doesn't give any more legitimacy to that particular rumor, but there's likely been talks leading up to this.
Don't do it guys  
BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 7:16 pm : link
How many times will we fall for it? Get our hopes up, only to have them come slamming down on us. I'll believe the Knicks can get Irvin without giving up KP right after it happens. Until then? It's not happening
Sorry for creating new thread - didn't see updated information when I  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:16 pm : link
NFT: Knicks trade for Kyrie would be very complicated
KingZ : 7:02 pm
I see the update has Heat, T-Wolves, Knicks, Spurs as preferred destinations.

Knicks would be over the cap, would need to make some pre-moves to accomadate his salary.

Cavs wouldn't be able to take back equal salary because they are way over cap.


Sign and trade with Rose would probably be for minimum.

Melo for Kyrie wouldn't work.


-Why would Phoenix help?
Irving  
BigBlueShock : 7/21/2017 7:17 pm : link
Not Irvin, lol
supposedly we cannot sign and trade Rose  
robbieballs2003 : 7/21/2017 7:17 pm : link
since we had to renounce his rights to sign Hardaway.
Kyrie will only get traded if they want to trade him  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:19 pm : link
Possibly once Lebron leaves. Trade Lebron now? Lol!
RE: supposedly we cannot sign and trade Rose  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13535442 robbieballs2003 said:
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since we had to renounce his rights to sign Hardaway.


Thanks!!but ok to re-sign Baker to new deal.
If the Suns are involved in this  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 7:27 pm : link
and Melo and Bledsoe are going to Cleveland, and Frank is going to Phoenix, I don't see why we need to be throwing first rounders Cleveland's way. Maybe one - with protection - in the next three years. We're contributing plenty.
Don't see how Cleveland makes cap work  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:30 pm : link
They are way over it. Looks like less salary going out than coming in.

Knicks and Cavs would have to shed salary before doing a deal. KOQ, Noah, Lance...
RE: RE: supposedly we cannot sign and trade Rose  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/21/2017 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13535446 KingZ said:
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In comment 13535442 robbieballs2003 said:


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since we had to renounce his rights to sign Hardaway.



Thanks!!but ok to re-sign Baker to new deal.


They used their cap exception sign Baker.
RE: RE: RE: supposedly we cannot sign and trade Rose  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13535451 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 13535446 KingZ said:


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In comment 13535442 robbieballs2003 said:


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since we had to renounce his rights to sign Hardaway.



Thanks!!but ok to re-sign Baker to new deal.



They used their cap exception sign Baker.
I got you guys. That was just odd.
Courtney Lee  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:38 pm : link
Should be enough to clear salary. Cavs trading Shump and Kyrie probably isn't enough for trade.
That works  
Rflairr : 7/21/2017 7:40 pm : link
Cavs Trade: Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye
Cavs Get: Eric Bledsoe, Carmelo Anthony

Suns Trade: Eric Bledsoe
Suns Get: Frank Ntilikina, Iman Shumpert

Knicks Trade: Frank Ntilikina, Carmelo Anthony
Knicks Get: Kyrie Irving, Channing Frye
I missed Frye  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:43 pm : link
But what I saw last yr, they can keep him.
Would you do  
GMEN46 : 7/21/2017 7:55 pm : link
Give up Melo Oquinn and hernangomez could be a good start obviously third team involvedbi would also give up a 1st rounder, kyrie is a stud although defensively he is terrible
RE: I missed Frye  
Rflairr : 7/21/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13535466 KingZ said:
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But what I saw last yr, they can keep him.


you have to make the contracts work to get the trade done.
RE: Thank goodness Bill Simmons isn't our GM.  
santacruzom : 7/21/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13535366 bceagle05 said:
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Melo, Frank and two unprotected picks for Kyrie? That's excessive.


He's probably considering the likelihood that the Knicks will either trade those picks anyway on someone not worthy of them, or just blow them on bad players altogether.
RE: Would you do  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13535480 GMEN46 said:
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Give up Melo Oquinn and hernangomez could be a good start obviously third team involvedbi would also give up a 1st rounder, kyrie is a stud although defensively he is terrible


Do you think there is a deal that Cleveland either comes out even or ahead? A year from now a team led by Love and Melo is going nowhere.
RE: wow Ramona is dumb.  
santacruzom : 7/21/2017 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13535379 Enzo said:
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this is a Berman level post:


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Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account
@ramonashelburne
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Chris Haynes
Knicks very interesting. Kyrie is from the area. KP was already dangled...and Knicks could still do S&T with DRose



Seems to me like she just passed on someone else's tweet. You calling her dumb for that would be like me calling you dumb for quoting her tweet.
RE: RE: I missed Frye  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13535482 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13535466 KingZ said:


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But what I saw last yr, they can keep him.



you have to make the contracts work to get the trade done.
I'd rather they include someone else lol
RE: RE: wow Ramona is dumb.  
KingZ : 7/21/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13535485 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13535379 Enzo said:


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this is a Berman level post:


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Ramona Shelburne‏Verified account
@ramonashelburne
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Chris Haynes
Knicks very interesting. Kyrie is from the area. KP was already dangled...and Knicks could still do S&T with DRose





Seems to me like she just passed on someone else's tweet. You calling her dumb for that would be like me calling you dumb for quoting her tweet.


Haynes might be in the know but what does sign and trade do when Cleveland has the cap issues it has.
If the Knicks are willing to give THjr $71 million  
bceagle05 : 7/21/2017 8:07 pm : link
God only knows how far they'll go for Kyrie. Hold onto your pants.
Kyrie - THJR - KP  
Sean : 7/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
Very interesting.
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