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Kyrie Irving asked the Cavaliers to trade him in a meeting last week, according to @WindhorstESPN.
Actually at the time of the trade,Stat was 28,Melo was 26
ok and stat was 28 going on 35 and you had nothing else...
if you make this trade you have kp and iriving with thjr and willy
But the year the trade was made,Stat was a NBA stud-hindsight's always 20/20.And after those 4,then what? You want the trade. I only want the trade if they don't give away the house (Frank/2 1sts).Let's see how it plays out!
my deal is melo and a couple of firsts, say 18 top 5 protected, 20 top 5 pritected..
I think Melo and Frank is a solid foundation of any offer. Perhaps a top 10 protected pick if necessary.
If KP is going to be as good as most Knicks fans felt he was when Phil was dangling him around draft time then they are off to a great start.
I'm going to try to be optimistic about THJ as well because he's still young. If he can continue to improve along with H-Gomez then you have a nice collection of young talent that can grow up together while GS is still dominating and ready to compete beyond that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: also stat was 30 at that point
id rather jist keep him, houston wants to give up nothing and get melo, fuck them
I agree,there's nothing from Houston of value but they'll line up a third team someway/somehow to get it done.It's why Knicks mgmt paused. The longer this soap opera goes on,the more impatient everyone gets. Knicks mgmt just has to play their cards right. Hell,if we get into late August & still nothing is completed,Melo might agree to Portland!
Because this kind of crap ONLY seems to happen in the NBA.
Only there would an athlete want to be traded because he doesn't want to share the spotlight.
As an outside observer Kyrie for Melo+ does make a lot of sense
especially if the Cavs can get a 3rd team involved that can send them a startable PG like Bledsoe. I personally think this is a big chance for the Cavs to do something that they needed to do but probably wouldn't have done.
porzingis in this deal you create championship teams by having young studs on cheap contracts. Porzingis is more valauable then kyrie because of his contract. It's easily a top 10 most valauable contract in the NBA right now.
I am more than willing to give up all of these pieces: Melo, Lee, Oquinn and include either of the 3 scenarios to close the deal:
1. would give up either Frank or a 2019 unprotected. I would like to keep 2018 pick because Knicks would still be on border of even making playoffs.
2. Willy and top 25 protected, then top 20 and then becomes 2 seconds
3. 2 protected #1s
Believe it or not Knicks aren't in too bad of shape in terms what they can offer. While Boston has all of these great assetS. I am not sure if they can get salaries to match. Would be interesting if Phili would offer Fultz and fillers to get it done.
the Cavs have decided to trade Irving, what other teams can offer the Cavs an ability to get a player that can score like Irving as well as youth in case Lebron leaves next year?
Knicks will live to regret giving up an unprotected 2018 1st, quote me
say it is melo and 2018 frst for kyire, wouldnt kyrie be what you want the 2018 pick to be?
And you build on that core how? No cap room and likely just good enough that you no longer have a shot at a high pick. So KP/Kyrie/THjr/Frank isnyiur core with no avenue to add another star. What does that do?
Knicks will live to regret giving up an unprotected 2018 1st, quote me
If you're able to get Kyrie Irving why would you regret giving up a first round pick? Odds are even if the pick somehow ends up being in the top 5 you aren't getting a guy that's as good as Irving. He's a top 10 player in the league.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
Knicks will live to regret giving up an unprotected 2018 1st, quote me
If you're able to get Kyrie Irving why would you regret giving up a first round pick? Odds are even if the pick somehow ends up being in the top 5 you aren't getting a guy that's as good as Irving. He's a top 10 player in the league.
#1 he's not a top 10 player. He wasn't even top 20 in PER or WS/48 this season. He was 8th among PG's in PER.
#2 Again... you add Irving and he gets his money.... where are the Knicks adding to that? Where does that player come from? Capped out. 2019 1st? When your 2018 team with Irving minus Melo is almost certainly not picking high. KP/Irving/THjr/Frank that's your squad with no path to get better outside of KP becoming Dirk or THjr becoming some superstar.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
Uh. You hope to draft one/add to the player you draft.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
Uh. You hope to draft one/add to the player you draft.
so then you are in the same position you are in with kyrie and kp?...
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
Playoff spot does what? KP gets paid, Irving gets paid and... the Knicks best case is what over the next 2-3 years? Irving/KP/THjr as your top 3 does what? You can't even pretend to dream that's a force in the east outside of KP becoming Dirk 2.0
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
Playoff spot does what? KP gets paid, Irving gets paid and... the Knicks best case is what over the next 2-3 years? Irving/KP/THjr as your top 3 does what? You can't even pretend to dream that's a force in the east outside of KP becoming Dirk 2.0
Did you even read what I wrote?
Their window is 3 years from now. Who cares what happens the next 2-3 years. My only point about the playoffs was that their pick won't be that high.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
you can find the room to add a 3rd guy if someone wants to come...
irving, thjr, kp, willy is a pretty good young core, and then add in the unknown frank...
you can trade lee, thomas and kpq come off in the next couple of years, noah is the guy you got to try and sell off...
Try and sell off? You guys love the quick fix. Each and every time. "They can compete for a playoff spot!" who the fuck cares about being one of the top 8-9 teams in the east? That's the goal now? With no upward mobility? Kyrie Irving is very good, he's not Chris Paul in his prime.
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
Did I miss the Celtics, Bucks and Wizards having young talent? Bucks aren't on the same timeline as us with an MVP caliber player already on the roster?
timeline are the Wolves on? Bucks? Wizards? Celtics? Sixers? Suns? Kings? All of these teams are loaded/loading up on young talent. The Knicks are in some alternate universe where that trio is challenging for a ring in the next 2-3 years?
you can find the room to add a 3rd guy if someone wants to come...
irving, thjr, kp, willy is a pretty good young core, and then add in the unknown frank...
you can trade lee, thomas and kpq come off in the next couple of years, noah is the guy you got to try and sell off...
Try and sell off? You guys love the quick fix. Each and every time. "They can compete for a playoff spot!" who the fuck cares about being one of the top 8-9 teams in the east? That's the goal now? With no upward mobility? Kyrie Irving is very good, he's not Chris Paul in his prime.
dan with all due respect wtf are you talking about?
if you add kyrie and get rid of 2018 pick you have kyrie, thjr kp, willy and frank...
if you dont add kyrie, you 2018 pick, kp, willy thjr and frank...
The 2018 pick allows you to potentially add a budget friendly star which allows you to add a max player in the future. Where are the Knicks adding a third star with a maxed out KP and Irving? Michael Porter jr allows you to dream on building a championship roster. Irving deal will be very similar to the Melo trade if they give up an unprotected 2018 1. Quote me. Write it down. Bookmark it. He's good, very good. Not special. Not A #1 star
timeline are the Wolves on? Bucks? Wizards? Celtics? Sixers? Suns? Kings? All of these teams are loaded/loading up on young talent. The Knicks are in some alternate universe where that trio is challenging for a ring in the next 2-3 years?
Yes, those are the teams the Knicks will competing against.
Breaking news Dan: There is a lot of good young talent in the NBA. If you don't think 28 year old Irving, THJR and 25 year old KP, Willy, plus another max player, aren't competitive in that group, then something has gone disastrously wrong with their development.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
The 2018 pick allows you to potentially add a budget friendly star which allows you to add a max player in the future. Where are the Knicks adding a third star with a maxed out KP and Irving? Michael Porter jr allows you to dream on building a championship roster. Irving deal will be very similar to the Melo trade if they give up an unprotected 2018 1. Quote me. Write it down. Bookmark it. He's good, very good. Not special. Not A #1 star
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
and either eay trade for irving or dont trade for irving you are maxed out, you are not adding any ody if you dont trade for irving...
so it is as simple as do you want irving for the 2018 player?
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
and the Suns (for example) are happy with Frank to replace Bledsoe, I don't see why we have to start throwing around first rounders anyway. The Cavs are either making a "win now" move or a "post-Lebron rebuild" move - they can't have everything.
Exchange Kuz for Frank, since you technically can't trade Frank in the trade machine.
For the Suns: Get rid of Knight's salary, trade Bledsoe for Frank, which lines up more with the rest of their team. Save a bunch of salary. Think this is a no brainer for them.
For the Cavs: Simple, move Kyrie for Bledsoe and Melo. They are arguably a better team now and add two of Lebron's buds.
For the Knicks: Also pretty simple. Melo and Frank for Kyrie.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
When was I ever against Frank? I've been consistently pro-Frank.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
Nice strawman. Literally not one person here has said, "Get Irving regardless of the cost." I haven't even seen one person advocate trading what amounts to 3 first rounders (Frank & 2 picks or 3 picks).
Here's what I don't understand... people who wanted to burn Phil Jackson's house down over KP trade rumors are now acting like it's too much to expect him to be really good in the next 2 years or eventually be the best player on a championship team. If he wasn't capable of doing those things, what the hell was all the complaining about when the trade rumors happened?
I also don't understand people comparing this in any way to the Melo trade. The Knicks problem post-Melo trade were first, STAT falling apart (while being EXTREMELY expensive) and the team having no young talent outside of Iman Shumpert and the 5 minutes they had Jeremy Lin. This situation is the antithesis of the post-Melo trade... they'd be building around 4 YOUNG players.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
When was I ever against Frank? I've been consistently pro-Frank.
He had an awful game and suddenly you were pro DSJ. It was during the French league playoffs.
Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
Nice strawman. Literally not one person here has said, "Get Irving regardless of the cost." I haven't even seen one person advocate trading what amounts to 3 first rounders (Frank & 2 picks or 3 picks).
Here's what I don't understand... people who wanted to burn Phil Jackson's house down over KP trade rumors are now acting like it's too much to expect him to be really good in the next 2 years or eventually be the best player on a championship team. If he wasn't capable of doing those things, what the hell was all the complaining about when the trade rumors happened?
I also don't understand people comparing this in any way to the Melo trade. The Knicks problem post-Melo trade were first, STAT falling apart (while being EXTREMELY expensive) and the team having no young talent outside of Iman Shumpert and the 5 minutes they had Jeremy Lin. This situation is the antithesis of the post-Melo trade... they'd be building around 4 YOUNG players.
People defend every move the Knicks make on here. That includes Bargnani and Noah. People were flat out blasting me for hating the Noah deal (not that I was the only one who hated it) but numerous people who on this very thread were defending it (and the Bargnani trade) some on this very thread were okay bringing back Rose (nygiants16 at least once advocated a 3 year deal if the money wasn't "crazy").
The last good trade the Knicks made was probly for Marbury
Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
Did I miss the Celtics, Bucks and Wizards having young talent? Bucks aren't on the same timeline as us with an MVP caliber player already on the roster?
Your point is what? I referenced the Warriors because that is the team that you cited in regards to Lebron and Irving getting curb stomped. So since other teams in the east have young talent we should just pack it in for the next 10 years? Again, there is no guarantee the 2018 pick ends up being a player of Irvings caliber. Teams like the 76ers tank for all those years hoping they end up with a player like that.
Birdy just gave me some info.. Irving leaked this flat out. Requested a deal to the Bulls. Cavs said no. Said if they found a fair deal from a team they would consider it. Never got back to him, they spoke again. Said they wouldn't deal him... now this.
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kp is 22
Actually at the time of the trade,Stat was 28,Melo was 26
ok and stat was 28 going on 35 and you had nothing else...
if you make this trade you have kp and iriving with thjr and willy
But the year the trade was made,Stat was a NBA stud-hindsight's always 20/20.And after those 4,then what? You want the trade. I only want the trade if they don't give away the house (Frank/2 1sts).Let's see how it plays out!
my deal is melo and a couple of firsts, say 18 top 5 protected, 20 top 5 pritected..
thats it...
And if it's that PLUS Frank?
I think Melo and Frank is a solid foundation of any offer. Perhaps a top 10 protected pick if necessary.
If KP is going to be as good as most Knicks fans felt he was when Phil was dangling him around draft time then they are off to a great start.
I'm going to try to be optimistic about THJ as well because he's still young. If he can continue to improve along with H-Gomez then you have a nice collection of young talent that can grow up together while GS is still dominating and ready to compete beyond that.
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And if it's that PLUS Frank?
if i have to? i woukd probably still do it, but i change the protections on the pick or make them swaps...
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And if it's that PLUS Frank?
if i have to? i woukd probably still do it, but i change the protections on the pick or make them swaps...
That's to much for me.I'd be okay w/what you originally had but 3 1sts is my tipping point! We'll see..Melo probably still winds up in Houston!
I agree,there's nothing from Houston of value but they'll line up a third team someway/somehow to get it done.It's why Knicks mgmt paused. The longer this soap opera goes on,the more impatient everyone gets. Knicks mgmt just has to play their cards right. Hell,if we get into late August & still nothing is completed,Melo might agree to Portland!
Would be fun to watch and hopefully they will continue to develop.
Only there would an athlete want to be traded because he doesn't want to share the spotlight.
I am more than willing to give up all of these pieces: Melo, Lee, Oquinn and include either of the 3 scenarios to close the deal:
1. would give up either Frank or a 2019 unprotected. I would like to keep 2018 pick because Knicks would still be on border of even making playoffs.
2. Willy and top 25 protected, then top 20 and then becomes 2 seconds
3. 2 protected #1s
Believe it or not Knicks aren't in too bad of shape in terms what they can offer. While Boston has all of these great assetS. I am not sure if they can get salaries to match. Would be interesting if Phili would offer Fultz and fillers to get it done.
say it is melo and 2018 frst for kyire, wouldnt kyrie be what you want the 2018 pick to be?
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Knicks will live to regret giving up an unprotected 2018 1st, quote me
say it is melo and 2018 frst for kyire, wouldnt kyrie be what you want the 2018 pick to be?
And you build on that core how? No cap room and likely just good enough that you no longer have a shot at a high pick. So KP/Kyrie/THjr/Frank isnyiur core with no avenue to add another star. What does that do?
If you're able to get Kyrie Irving why would you regret giving up a first round pick? Odds are even if the pick somehow ends up being in the top 5 you aren't getting a guy that's as good as Irving. He's a top 10 player in the league.
Melo
Lee
Top 3 protected 2018
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Melo
Lee
2018 top 10 protected
Frank or Willy (not both)
Best I would give up for kyrie
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
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Knicks will live to regret giving up an unprotected 2018 1st, quote me
If you're able to get Kyrie Irving why would you regret giving up a first round pick? Odds are even if the pick somehow ends up being in the top 5 you aren't getting a guy that's as good as Irving. He's a top 10 player in the league.
#1 he's not a top 10 player. He wasn't even top 20 in PER or WS/48 this season. He was 8th among PG's in PER.
#2 Again... you add Irving and he gets his money.... where are the Knicks adding to that? Where does that player come from? Capped out. 2019 1st? When your 2018 team with Irving minus Melo is almost certainly not picking high. KP/Irving/THjr/Frank that's your squad with no path to get better outside of KP becoming Dirk or THjr becoming some superstar.
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
Uh. You hope to draft one/add to the player you draft.
irving, thjr, kp, willy is a pretty good young core, and then add in the unknown frank...
you can trade lee, thomas and kpq come off in the next couple of years, noah is the guy you got to try and sell off...
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
umm how you adding a 3rd star if you are just adding a 2018 pick to the team?
Uh. You hope to draft one/add to the player you draft.
so then you are in the same position you are in with kyrie and kp?...
what is the difference?
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
Playoff spot does what? KP gets paid, Irving gets paid and... the Knicks best case is what over the next 2-3 years? Irving/KP/THjr as your top 3 does what? You can't even pretend to dream that's a force in the east outside of KP becoming Dirk 2.0
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
They aren't setting up to play the Warriors. Nor the Celtics. Their window will be in 3 years, even with Irving, and by that point they will have the means to add a third star via FA.
With how weak the east is, it's almost unfathomable that the Knicks with Irving wouldn't be at least competing for a playoff spot.
Playoff spot does what? KP gets paid, Irving gets paid and... the Knicks best case is what over the next 2-3 years? Irving/KP/THjr as your top 3 does what? You can't even pretend to dream that's a force in the east outside of KP becoming Dirk 2.0
Did you even read what I wrote?
Their window is 3 years from now. Who cares what happens the next 2-3 years. My only point about the playoffs was that their pick won't be that high.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
irving, thjr, kp, willy is a pretty good young core, and then add in the unknown frank...
you can trade lee, thomas and kpq come off in the next couple of years, noah is the guy you got to try and sell off...
Try and sell off? You guys love the quick fix. Each and every time. "They can compete for a playoff spot!" who the fuck cares about being one of the top 8-9 teams in the east? That's the goal now? With no upward mobility? Kyrie Irving is very good, he's not Chris Paul in his prime.
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
Did I miss the Celtics, Bucks and Wizards having young talent? Bucks aren't on the same timeline as us with an MVP caliber player already on the roster?
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you can find the room to add a 3rd guy if someone wants to come...
irving, thjr, kp, willy is a pretty good young core, and then add in the unknown frank...
you can trade lee, thomas and kpq come off in the next couple of years, noah is the guy you got to try and sell off...
Try and sell off? You guys love the quick fix. Each and every time. "They can compete for a playoff spot!" who the fuck cares about being one of the top 8-9 teams in the east? That's the goal now? With no upward mobility? Kyrie Irving is very good, he's not Chris Paul in his prime.
dan with all due respect wtf are you talking about?
if you add kyrie and get rid of 2018 pick you have kyrie, thjr kp, willy and frank...
if you dont add kyrie, you 2018 pick, kp, willy thjr and frank...
wtf is the difference?
Yes, those are the teams the Knicks will competing against.
Breaking news Dan: There is a lot of good young talent in the NBA. If you don't think 28 year old Irving, THJR and 25 year old KP, Willy, plus another max player, aren't competitive in that group, then something has gone disastrously wrong with their development.
you are maxed out either way...
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
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Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
and either eay trade for irving or dont trade for irving you are maxed out, you are not adding any ody if you dont trade for irving...
so it is as simple as do you want irving for the 2018 player?
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Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
For the Suns: Get rid of Knight's salary, trade Bledsoe for Frank, which lines up more with the rest of their team. Save a bunch of salary. Think this is a no brainer for them.
For the Cavs: Simple, move Kyrie for Bledsoe and Melo. They are arguably a better team now and add two of Lebron's buds.
For the Knicks: Also pretty simple. Melo and Frank for Kyrie.
Who says no?
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In comment 13536074 DanMetroMan said:
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Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
When was I ever against Frank? I've been consistently pro-Frank.
Nice strawman. Literally not one person here has said, "Get Irving regardless of the cost." I haven't even seen one person advocate trading what amounts to 3 first rounders (Frank & 2 picks or 3 picks).
Here's what I don't understand... people who wanted to burn Phil Jackson's house down over KP trade rumors are now acting like it's too much to expect him to be really good in the next 2 years or eventually be the best player on a championship team. If he wasn't capable of doing those things, what the hell was all the complaining about when the trade rumors happened?
I also don't understand people comparing this in any way to the Melo trade. The Knicks problem post-Melo trade were first, STAT falling apart (while being EXTREMELY expensive) and the team having no young talent outside of Iman Shumpert and the 5 minutes they had Jeremy Lin. This situation is the antithesis of the post-Melo trade... they'd be building around 4 YOUNG players.
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In comment 13536074 DanMetroMan said:
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Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
You have such a weird stance on this and are firmly in the minority.
It's one thing to mortgage the future for a star that will get them nowhere. Irving is 25. He is only getting better and could be a Knick for the next decade.
Melo is on the way out anyway. His value to the Knicks is negative. If the cost for Irving is Frank and a 1st, so be it. That's pennies on the dollar for Irving's relative value in the league.
Minority here maybe, in Knicks Reddit people are majority in agreement not to give up 2018 unprotected. BBI doesn't speak for the world. You flip flop quite a bit yourself namely on Frank, wanting him then one day being against taking him and now loving him again
When was I ever against Frank? I've been consistently pro-Frank.
He had an awful game and suddenly you were pro DSJ. It was during the French league playoffs.
Regardless, I've been pretty pro-Frank from the get go.
Keep Frank and next 2 years picks
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Been a Knick fan long enough to know how this goes. Fans approve every move that involves a "star name" regardless of the cost. They could deal Melo 2018, 2020, 2022 and people on here would still support the move. 100% fact
Nice strawman. Literally not one person here has said, "Get Irving regardless of the cost." I haven't even seen one person advocate trading what amounts to 3 first rounders (Frank & 2 picks or 3 picks).
Here's what I don't understand... people who wanted to burn Phil Jackson's house down over KP trade rumors are now acting like it's too much to expect him to be really good in the next 2 years or eventually be the best player on a championship team. If he wasn't capable of doing those things, what the hell was all the complaining about when the trade rumors happened?
I also don't understand people comparing this in any way to the Melo trade. The Knicks problem post-Melo trade were first, STAT falling apart (while being EXTREMELY expensive) and the team having no young talent outside of Iman Shumpert and the 5 minutes they had Jeremy Lin. This situation is the antithesis of the post-Melo trade... they'd be building around 4 YOUNG players.
People defend every move the Knicks make on here. That includes Bargnani and Noah. People were flat out blasting me for hating the Noah deal (not that I was the only one who hated it) but numerous people who on this very thread were defending it (and the Bargnani trade) some on this very thread were okay bringing back Rose (nygiants16 at least once advocated a 3 year deal if the money wasn't "crazy").
The Melo trade was a wash imo.
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Do the Knicks add a 3rd star if you give up your 2018 unprotected pick? And save me Frank being that guy or Willy being that guy. The second best player of all time with Irving and Love just got curb stomped by the Warriors.
When the core of your team is a 25 year old Irving, 21 year old Porzingis, and 18 year old Ntilikina you aren't on the same timeline as the Warriors. The important thing is to be able to move space before KP hits free agency to add another guy before you have to lock up KP to a big deal.
Did I miss the Celtics, Bucks and Wizards having young talent? Bucks aren't on the same timeline as us with an MVP caliber player already on the roster?
Your point is what? I referenced the Warriors because that is the team that you cited in regards to Lebron and Irving getting curb stomped. So since other teams in the east have young talent we should just pack it in for the next 10 years? Again, there is no guarantee the 2018 pick ends up being a player of Irvings caliber. Teams like the 76ers tank for all those years hoping they end up with a player like that.