Remember Shockey's catch and run in the preseason HOF game..

thank you!!! I looked but couldnt find that anywhere

Google Images is the best.

I wouldn't say he had a bad career by any stretch but what could have been? You don't see many guys with his size, speed, mentality, toughness anymore.

For that game, visiting a college buddy
. Man, I thought he was going to be an all time great. Weird, but his 02 season was his best year.

In comment 13535387 robbieballs2003 said:

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I wouldn't say he had a bad career by any stretch but what could have been? You don't see many guys with his size, speed, mentality, toughness anymore.

I know he had maturity issues but his nonstop injuries plus Coughin's offense did him no favors. Say what you will about Fassel, but his O-game plan used Shockey's abilitys more than Coughlins most of the time which was to stay in to block more than being run out to catch like an extra WR. I think he resented that.

bulking him up and making him a two way tight end. In today's NFL I think teams keep him at 250 and minimize his inline blocking.

That's all said not taking into account his personality and lack of chemistry with Eli. Just thought his offseason training was odd for a few years there.

..that allegedly he asked to come back to the Giants after getting cut by the Panthers and was told a firm NO. Thats what happens when you get into a shouting match with the GM and demand to be traded, you burn that bridge forever.

that pass was from Jesse Palmer. He was a quick footnote in Giants history

..that was Larry Donnell instead of Shockey. Here's how that wouldve played out:
Catch
Trip
Flip
Fumble

6 points going the other way *face palm*

Shockey liked blocking. I remember his issue with the Giants was that he said on any given play he can have up to 10 reads AFTER the ball was snapped. It took away from his playmaking ability. This was a Gilbride offense issue. It has been discussed a ton. When Gilbride's offense was clicking it was near impossible to stop. The problem was that it was off more than it was on. Plus you needed a great OL for that to occur. I also remember that we almost never had any yards after the catch in that offense for awhile. So, I am not going to criticize the offense because we won 2 super bowls with it but I also understand the downfalls of it (2008 when we couldn't adjust for Plaxico going down and thinking Hixon was going to replicate what Plax could do).

Gave no quarter, expected none. Never seen one player get more helmets ripped off his head. At 250-260, he could out-run most 180-190 pound defensive backs, he was amazing.

In comment 13535412 robbieballs2003 said:

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Shockey liked blocking. I remember his issue with the Giants was that he said on any given play he can have up to 10 reads AFTER the ball was snapped. It took away from his playmaking ability. This was a Gilbride offense issue.

Gilbride's offense was definitely a mismatch. To his credit, Shockey did like blocking and trained to fit in to the Gilbride tight end role as best he could: be a big time blocker and settle into an open zone over the middle when called upon. The former contributed to him being injury prone imo.

Just not a good fit at all for a big guy who could run like that.

Babe Ruth? Hahaha. Wow.

In comment 13535423 B in ALB said:

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Babe Ruth? Hahaha. Wow.

Happy Hour just started in CA. Give him a pass.

Ran over that Colts defender?
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In comment 13535393 jnoble said:

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I know he had maturity issues but his nonstop injuries plus Coughin's offense did him no favors. Say what you will about Fassel, but his O-game plan used Shockey's abilitys more than Coughlins most of the time which was to stay in to block more than being run out to catch like an extra WR. I think he resented that.

I don't buy Coughlin's offense as a thing that slowed Shockey down. 2005 represented his second-best year in terms of catches and yardage, plus his best year in terms of yards per catch and touchdowns. He had more than 100 targets in 2005 and 2006, plus another 93 in 2007 before he got injured.

I think the big thing that derailed Shockey's career was his knee injury in 2003 plus his general pig-headedness. I'm not saying Coughlin's offense used him better than Fassel's did, but there wasn't really an appreciable dropoff like people often claim.

I also remember that rookie David Carr actually looked pretty good in his brief outing too.

where a Texans player was badly injured?

In comment 13535462 an_idol_mind said:

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In comment 13535393 jnoble said: Quote: I know he had maturity issues but his nonstop injuries plus Coughin's offense did him no favors. Say what you will about Fassel, but his O-game plan used Shockey's abilitys more than Coughlins most of the time which was to stay in to block more than being run out to catch like an extra WR. I think he resented that. I don't buy Coughlin's offense as a thing that slowed Shockey down. 2005 represented his second-best year in terms of catches and yardage, plus his best year in terms of yards per catch and touchdowns. He had more than 100 targets in 2005 and 2006, plus another 93 in 2007 before he got injured. I think the big thing that derailed Shockey's career was his knee injury in 2003 plus his general pig-headedness. I'm not saying Coughlin's offense used him better than Fassel's did, but there wasn't really an appreciable dropoff like people often claim.

Didn't Plax say that at least 2 of the INTs in Eli's famous crap-fest against the Vikings was because Shockey missed a read?

The one catch that stands out in my mind was against the Colts. He took a flat pass on the left side and just blew colts DB's out of their shoes. I remember Strahan jumping up and down on the sidelines. A magic moment.

babe ruth? holy shit.

years after the injuries caught up, what a difference.

He had legitimate injuries, but he also did not take care of himself well off the field. He could have been better than Jason Witten.

When he ran that guy over I yelled, "that's why you pick a tight end in the first round!"

was one of those rare finds....

I remember splitting him out as a wide receiver....remember the catch against the Eagles?

But the chemistry between him and Eli was not there.....was it the "tree routes" or something else?

I agree he could have been something special, if he took better care of himself, especially in the off season....

I don't think the Giants were the right team for him....he had an Oakland Raider mentality...

The one play though, that really haunts me, is that dropped td against SF in the playoffs....would have put that game away.....

Unfortunately for him, he was injured during the SB run....

Can you imagine this offense in 2007, if Tiki played one more year, and Shockey stayed healthy? the thing is, maybe we don't make it to the SB if that happened.....maybe their omission from the team was for the good of the team....

all time giants ...

I recall this game quite well - I believe the DB he leveled referred to Shockey as "overrated" prior to the game.
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clip everywhere and could not find it. I remembered Strahan and the other defenders getting excited when they saw that

Huge TD catch and the talking to Dawkins is priceless!
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In comment 13535736 Doomster said:

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was one of those rare finds.... I remember splitting him out as a wide receiver....remember the catch against the Eagles? But the chemistry between him and Eli was not there.....was it the "tree routes" or something else? I agree he could have been something special, if he took better care of himself, especially in the off season.... I don't think the Giants were the right team for him....he had an Oakland Raider mentality... The one play though, that really haunts me, is that dropped td against SF in the playoffs....would have put that game away..... Unfortunately for him, he was injured during the SB run.... Can you imagine this offense in 2007, if Tiki played one more year, and Shockey stayed healthy? the thing is, maybe we don't make it to the SB if that happened.....maybe their omission from the team was for the good of the team....

It is my personal opinion we do not make that run if either player is on the team,healthy and in uniform.

Eli became a leader on offense and was able to spread the ball around with the two of them gone.

in the Super Bowl?

Is when, on an INT vs Washington, he complained to the official about holding while the D.C. LB took it in for a pick 6. December 2005.