when the police senselessly kill a middle class white woman.
I wonder why that would be?
Looked like a lot of the protesters at the news conference were black, why don't you tune in and hear what they have to say
The contrary tends to be true. Greg frequently provides stories in that vein, which generally receive a fraction the attention of a suspect police shooting of a minority citizen.
They were pissed about this incident, involving the Aussie woman, but they seemed more pissed institutionally. In other words, saying that removing the chief wasn't going to fix the cultural problems that exist in Minneapolis government, or perhaps the police department. Wasn't clear to me.
for instance, the officer who pulled the trigger is a Somali, a demographic that has occasionally had a strained relationship with the police. There have been other criticisms and protests in recent history involving race, so even though race isn't really an issue here the media attention is giving people the impetus to try to get some of those issues front and center.
First you had the verdict in the Castile case. Then, you had an incident many of you many not have heard of but was big news up there, where a cop who had entered someone's backyard shot their two dogs. Body camera footage showed that the dogs didn't look aggressive or dangerous at all. Now, the unarmed Aussie woman in her pajamas. All this in the space of a few months.
Do yourself a favor, watch and read as much as possible and think about the actual events....not so much the opinions presented.
The study is flawed.....if no information actually gets you more knowledgeable....tells me all I need to know. Before I give any credence to this study....I want to know the questions.
Today's American media has an agenda and so do these studies.
Do yourself a favor, watch and read as much as possible and think about the actual events....not so much the opinions presented.
The study is flawed.....if no information actually gets you more knowledgeable....tells me all I need to know. Before I give any credence to this study....I want to know the questions.
Today's American media has an agenda and so do these studies.
First of all, it's wrong to look at the reaction and tie it solely to the precipitating event. The steady drip drip drip of this stuff winds people up. Oftentimes the thing that sparks it can be something relatively minor.
On the other hand, this poor woman's race aside, you'd be hard-pressed to find a more straightforward and egregious example of police misconduct. The lady was in her own driveway, in her PJ's, calmly chatting with an officer, when his partner pulls his weapon and puts a bullet in her.
Inducted June 2012
Nominated by Lawrence Sherman, University of Maryland and Cambridge University
Biography:
Anthony V. Bouza served as Chief of Police of Minneapolis, Minnesota from 1980 to 1989. Born in Spain in 1928, he moved to New York City at the age of 9 and later joined the New York Police Department, rising to the rank of Assistant Chief and Commander of the Bronx. After serving in the NYPD from 1953 to 1976, he served as Deputy Chief of the New York City Transit Police Department from 1977 to 1979 before moving to the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) in 1980.
He holds a B.A. and Master of Public Administration from the City University of New York (Baruch College), and is the author of six books, including one of the few detailed descriptions of the operations of a police intelligence unit (Police Intelligence, AMS Press, 1976).
Evidence-Based Research and Practice:
From the first day of his appointment in Minneapolis, Chief Bouza became a bold and effective advocate for evidence-based policing and experimental criminology. He immediately recommended to the Mayor and City Council that they approve a randomized controlled trial in the use of arrest for domestic violence, which they voted unanimously to do. The result was the Minneapolis Domestic Violence Experiment, the most highly-cited police experiment tracked by Google Scholar (Sherman and Berk, American Sociological Review, 1984).
He also supported the use of MPD resources to discover that 3% of the street addresses in the city produced over half of all dispatched police responses to calls for service, as reported in the New York Times in 1987. He then asked the City Council to approve an experiment that would reduce police patrols to near zero in low-crime areas, in order to double patrol time at high crime hot spots located across the city. Once again, the City Council provided unanimous approval for realigning police time in the pursuit of better knowledge. In what became the first random assignment of patrol to crime hot spots, he and his successor (Chief John Laux) managed to help produce substantial police compliance with the experimental protocol of extra patrol at 55 of 100 hot spots (Sherman and Weisburd, 1995).
He also assigned 5 officers fulltime to the Repeat Call address Policing Project (RECAP), which launched problem-solving efforts at 250 of the 500 top addresses in the city demanding police response to calls for service. Other experiments he supported in Minneapolis included a randomized trial in the use of neighborhood watch staff in some neighborhoods and not others, as evaluated by the Police Foundation in Washington, DC.
Since the day he was appointed commander of the NYPD Planning Division in 1971, Anthony V. Bouza was a tireless campaigner for the development of research in policing. At a time when few police commanders had university education and many were suspicious of academics, Bouza urged them to open their minds and their operation to relentless examination, especially by experimentation. He set so many precedents and broke so many unspoken rules about random assignment that he literally made the world safe for Chiefs of Police to move forward with evidence-based policing. It is hard to find any police executive before or since who has made such giant strides forward in police research.
Which we know is not the norm for vast majority police conduct, one thing that continues to pop up is that the police officers involved appear to be poor fit for their profession whether it's because they're emotionally unable to control their anger/aggression or they're too damn scared to do their job without resorting to the use of deadly force as their immediate reaction.
Just like the Castile shooting, this appears to be an incident where the police officer involved was unqualified for the profession. It's a tragedy born of someone who probably should never have been given the job.
Which we know is not the norm for vast majority police conduct, one thing that continues to pop up is that the police officers involved appear to be poor fit for their profession whether it's because they're emotionally unable to control their anger/aggression or they're too damn scared to do their job without resorting to the use of deadly force as their immediate reaction.
Just like the Castile shooting, this appears to be an incident where the police officer involved was unqualified for the profession. It's a tragedy born of someone who probably should never have been given the job.
The part that has me very puzzled is, why is Noor refusing to talk to investigators, and how the hell does he get away with that?
Noor is exercising his right to not incriminate himself.
The department can order him to be interviewed administratively but any compelled statements he makes could not be used in criminal proceedings. ( see Garrity decision out of NJ or Lybarger decision out of CA) his attorney has probably advised him to disobey department order to talk which amounts to insubordination, a fireable offense. He would probably be facing termination anyway so his decision not to talk is an easy one, geared toward self preservation.
that he's lawyer'd up to the hilt. They're no doubt discussing (scrambling, really) how to approach his defense. History tells us he still has a good chance to not serve time.
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And obviously no serious person watches Fox with any regularity (I suppose for breaking news it's serviceable). As more & more people, especially young people, cut the cord, its viewership will skew even more old & cranky than it already is so one wonders if its content will devolve even further into the brainless & inane...although obviously it already flirts with rock bottom on the regs.
One thing that does concern me is that its most loyal viewers become SO stupid & covered in drool that they stop doing other things altogether aside from watching Fox. And that's just bad for the economy.
There are many people wearing a badge that are just not well suited for the job.
Departments are struggling to fill their rosters and the applicant pool is limited. There are better jobs available.
Watch the evening news. Not a lot of people want to deal with this shit. Many of those who do apply are not mentally, emotionally or physically suited to do the job.
Having said that, there are some incredibly gifted people working the streets. As Ronnie stated, we don't see or hear about the amazing things that they do on a daily basis.
RE: Noor is exercising his right to not incriminate himself.
The department can order him to be interviewed administratively but any compelled statements he makes could not be used in criminal proceedings. ( see Garrity decision out of NJ or Lybarger decision out of CA) his attorney has probably advised him to disobey department order to talk which amounts to insubordination, a fireable offense. He would probably be facing termination anyway so his decision not to talk is an easy one, geared toward self preservation.
^^^^ Spot on.
He and his lawyers know his job is gone. Now they're working on a plan to keep him out of jail.
There are many people wearing a badge that are just not well suited for the job.
Departments are struggling to fill their rosters and the applicant pool is limited. There are better jobs available.
Watch the evening news. Not a lot of people want to deal with this shit. Many of those who do apply are not mentally, emotionally or physically suited to do the job.
Having said that, there are some incredibly gifted people working the streets. As Ronnie stated, we don't see or hear about the amazing things that they do on a daily basis.
sounds like we will have robot police in the near future
If the killing in the Castile case was a direct result of the cop doing the shooting being unqualified, then what is the case for him being found not guilty? Why does an overreaction by an emotionally unqualified officer count as that officer having a reasonable fear for his life? Under that logic--which obviously persuaded the jury--incompetence and instability is apparently an advantage in a bad shooting like that one.
In this case, btw, the right to avoid self-incrimination started awfully early, since the cops didn't even bother to activate their body cameras, as required. The law in Minnesota and elsewhere needs to be amended so that, if you don't activate your camera prior to a police shooting, and you had ample time to do so, you are immediately suspended without pay after the shooting. In a case like this one, that should apply to both officers.
If the killing in the Castile case was a direct result of the cop doing the shooting being unqualified, then what is the case for him being found not guilty? Why does an overreaction by an emotionally unqualified officer count as that officer having a reasonable fear for his life? Under that logic--which obviously persuaded the jury--incompetence and instability is apparently an advantage in a bad shooting like that one.
In this case, btw, the right to avoid self-incrimination started awfully early, since the cops didn't even bother to activate their body cameras, as required. The law in Minnesota and elsewhere needs to be amended so that, if you don't activate your camera prior to a police shooting, and you had ample time to do so, you are immediately suspended without pay after the shooting. In a case like this one, that should apply to both officers.
That's what frustrates me with many of these cases where the verdict defies logic. However, the way I see it is different from how many see it since even on BBI we have a very strong contingent of people willing to give police officers involved in these shootings incredible leeway. I'm sure there were and are people, who still believe that Rodney King's beating was justified.
Mayhem.
Appears to be escalating.
Woman with a bull horn leading now.
Crazy.
Nuts. lol
And who concocted that press conference set-up?
Where was security?
Really interesting.
I wonder why that would be?
I wonder why that would be?
Looked like a lot of the protesters at the news conference were black, why don't you tune in and hear what they have to say
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when the police senselessly kill a middle class white woman.
I wonder why that would be?
Looked like a lot of the protesters at the news conference were black, why don't you tune in and hear what they have to say
The contrary tends to be true. Greg frequently provides stories in that vein, which generally receive a fraction the attention of a suspect police shooting of a minority citizen.
I wonder why that would be?
are you sure about that?
I wonder why that would be?
What? Please expand on your statement. Can't wait.
I wonder why that would be?
You should really not try so hard. You come of like an ignorant buffoon.
It was loud and boisterous. But non-violent.
STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All - ( New Window )
The study is flawed.....if no information actually gets you more knowledgeable....tells me all I need to know. Before I give any credence to this study....I want to know the questions.
Today's American media has an agenda and so do these studies.
Think independent of their opinions "news".
The study is flawed.....if no information actually gets you more knowledgeable....tells me all I need to know. Before I give any credence to this study....I want to know the questions.
Today's American media has an agenda and so do these studies.
Think independent of their opinions "news".
On the other hand, this poor woman's race aside, you'd be hard-pressed to find a more straightforward and egregious example of police misconduct. The lady was in her own driveway, in her PJ's, calmly chatting with an officer, when his partner pulls his weapon and puts a bullet in her.
Quote:
Watching in Fox.
STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All - ( New Window )
lol ... in case it wasn't clear, this was live video of the press conference, so a bit difficult to "spin."
Anthony V. Bouza
Inducted June 2012
Nominated by Lawrence Sherman, University of Maryland and Cambridge University
Biography:
Anthony V. Bouza served as Chief of Police of Minneapolis, Minnesota from 1980 to 1989. Born in Spain in 1928, he moved to New York City at the age of 9 and later joined the New York Police Department, rising to the rank of Assistant Chief and Commander of the Bronx. After serving in the NYPD from 1953 to 1976, he served as Deputy Chief of the New York City Transit Police Department from 1977 to 1979 before moving to the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) in 1980.
He holds a B.A. and Master of Public Administration from the City University of New York (Baruch College), and is the author of six books, including one of the few detailed descriptions of the operations of a police intelligence unit (Police Intelligence, AMS Press, 1976).
Evidence-Based Research and Practice:
From the first day of his appointment in Minneapolis, Chief Bouza became a bold and effective advocate for evidence-based policing and experimental criminology. He immediately recommended to the Mayor and City Council that they approve a randomized controlled trial in the use of arrest for domestic violence, which they voted unanimously to do. The result was the Minneapolis Domestic Violence Experiment, the most highly-cited police experiment tracked by Google Scholar (Sherman and Berk, American Sociological Review, 1984).
He also supported the use of MPD resources to discover that 3% of the street addresses in the city produced over half of all dispatched police responses to calls for service, as reported in the New York Times in 1987. He then asked the City Council to approve an experiment that would reduce police patrols to near zero in low-crime areas, in order to double patrol time at high crime hot spots located across the city. Once again, the City Council provided unanimous approval for realigning police time in the pursuit of better knowledge. In what became the first random assignment of patrol to crime hot spots, he and his successor (Chief John Laux) managed to help produce substantial police compliance with the experimental protocol of extra patrol at 55 of 100 hot spots (Sherman and Weisburd, 1995).
He also assigned 5 officers fulltime to the Repeat Call address Policing Project (RECAP), which launched problem-solving efforts at 250 of the 500 top addresses in the city demanding police response to calls for service. Other experiments he supported in Minneapolis included a randomized trial in the use of neighborhood watch staff in some neighborhoods and not others, as evaluated by the Police Foundation in Washington, DC.
Since the day he was appointed commander of the NYPD Planning Division in 1971, Anthony V. Bouza was a tireless campaigner for the development of research in policing. At a time when few police commanders had university education and many were suspicious of academics, Bouza urged them to open their minds and their operation to relentless examination, especially by experimentation. He set so many precedents and broke so many unspoken rules about random assignment that he literally made the world safe for Chiefs of Police to move forward with evidence-based policing. It is hard to find any police executive before or since who has made such giant strides forward in police research.
And yes, Bouza had a giant footprint.
Just like the Castile shooting, this appears to be an incident where the police officer involved was unqualified for the profession. It's a tragedy born of someone who probably should never have been given the job.
Just like the Castile shooting, this appears to be an incident where the police officer involved was unqualified for the profession. It's a tragedy born of someone who probably should never have been given the job.
The part that has me very puzzled is, why is Noor refusing to talk to investigators, and how the hell does he get away with that?
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And obviously no serious person watches Fox with any regularity (I suppose for breaking news it's serviceable). As more & more people, especially young people, cut the cord, its viewership will skew even more old & cranky than it already is so one wonders if its content will devolve even further into the brainless & inane...although obviously it already flirts with rock bottom on the regs.
One thing that does concern me is that its most loyal viewers become SO stupid & covered in drool that they stop doing other things altogether aside from watching Fox. And that's just bad for the economy.
Departments are struggling to fill their rosters and the applicant pool is limited. There are better jobs available.
Watch the evening news. Not a lot of people want to deal with this shit. Many of those who do apply are not mentally, emotionally or physically suited to do the job.
Having said that, there are some incredibly gifted people working the streets. As Ronnie stated, we don't see or hear about the amazing things that they do on a daily basis.
^^^^ Spot on.
He and his lawyers know his job is gone. Now they're working on a plan to keep him out of jail.
Departments are struggling to fill their rosters and the applicant pool is limited. There are better jobs available.
Watch the evening news. Not a lot of people want to deal with this shit. Many of those who do apply are not mentally, emotionally or physically suited to do the job.
Having said that, there are some incredibly gifted people working the streets. As Ronnie stated, we don't see or hear about the amazing things that they do on a daily basis.
sounds like we will have robot police in the near future
In this case, btw, the right to avoid self-incrimination started awfully early, since the cops didn't even bother to activate their body cameras, as required. The law in Minnesota and elsewhere needs to be amended so that, if you don't activate your camera prior to a police shooting, and you had ample time to do so, you are immediately suspended without pay after the shooting. In a case like this one, that should apply to both officers.
He worked with him when he was stationed in the Bronx prior to heading to Manhattan.
Three uncles. father, cousin's et. all NYPD.
My Uncle was a full inspector and is on the Fallen Police Officers wall in Albany and listed at 1 Police Plaza - died of 911 related illness.
In this case, btw, the right to avoid self-incrimination started awfully early, since the cops didn't even bother to activate their body cameras, as required. The law in Minnesota and elsewhere needs to be amended so that, if you don't activate your camera prior to a police shooting, and you had ample time to do so, you are immediately suspended without pay after the shooting. In a case like this one, that should apply to both officers.
That's what frustrates me with many of these cases where the verdict defies logic. However, the way I see it is different from how many see it since even on BBI we have a very strong contingent of people willing to give police officers involved in these shootings incredible leeway. I'm sure there were and are people, who still believe that Rodney King's beating was justified.