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I would trade Odell

grizz299 : 7/22/2017 7:35 am

I can overlook the Norman meltdown. But I remember vividly the pouting when he didn't get the ball and he showed up Eli. And that bothers me and it's a worry for next year and it's about the only way I can see this team not blowing away the league.
I remember too the disregard (both implicit and explicit) that he showed for his head coach. The bravado not sustained that showed up shirtless in Green Bay and a potential trip to the superbowl crapped on with dropped wide open passes and Eli didn't show him up cause Eli is about team.
I also remember the first time he played; lined up split left (the top of my tv screen), the first graceful move he put on the CB and he was so open a stunned Eli couldn't react, the second play and the cb almost fell down reached out and grabbed for elusive lightning & took a penalty - gladly. A Giant fan since the mid fifties, only LT, Tucker Fredrickson, and Shockey had first moments that compared, only they didn't compare.
This is a generational talent. Brilliant in every way, the best route runner, best hands, most explosive YAC's, and, all his preening aside, still a charmer.
Who thinks he is bigger than the game and bigger than NY. And probably is.
And suddenly there's Marshall, a returning Vereen, a more mature and accomplished Shepard, the wonderful potential of Ephram, King, Lewis, Powe and Randall. And solid tough guy Ellison who is a better receiver and overall player than he's given credit for.
Our kitchen scraps will be other teams entrees.
As great as he is I am not sure that group is much the less for not having him. And the game is still played with one ball...and is he going to pout when Marshall gets red zone attention and Ephram breaks one down the middle.
And it's relative anyway. He will demand (appropriately so) a kings's ransom next year and that means less talent on the roster.
It's bold, it's daring and maybe even suicidial. But I'd trade the brilliance and the promise if I could bring back a high (and easy on the cap) no.`1.
Which is why I'm in the forklift business and don't trade cars or football players.
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Can we  
PaulN : 7/22/2017 7:37 am : link
See how this season goes before we decide he should be traded. Ridiculous is what this is.
Agree. Trade him now before he  
Jimmy Googs : 7/22/2017 7:40 am : link
pouts when Marshall catches a td pass.

I simply do not condone pouting...
Cool original thought  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 7:43 am : link
...
No its not rediculous  
grizz299 : 7/22/2017 7:43 am : link
it's an opinion you don't share.
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.

LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/22/2017 7:44 am : link
this is just astounding:

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But I'd trade the brilliance and the promise if I could bring back a high (and easy on the cap) no.`1


If your ignorance wasn't on full display in the rest of the shit above, this cements it. An easy on the cap #1 doesn't exist unless it turns out to be a shitty player!
But let's start with Marshall ending his career here  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 7:45 am : link
a rookie TE and a 2nd year slot WR somehow being just fine without Beckham, so much so that he's expendable. Because that's what you are claiming, right?
If we trade Beckham  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 7:47 am : link
then trade Eli too. What's he point of having him? Hand the keys to Webb with less talent and hope for the best, because draft picks always pan out.
Holy  
TommytheElephant : 7/22/2017 7:47 am : link
Shit
He is easily the best player on the team  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/22/2017 7:48 am : link
But give him away.....

I hope (and expect) that he will someday retire as a Giant.
Do we have a player named Ephram on the team?  
aquidneck : 7/22/2017 7:54 am : link
Engram is the guy we drafted #1.

I wouldn't trade OBJ (unless for a king's ransom).
Giants won Super Bowls with guys like  
joeinpa : 7/22/2017 7:54 am : link
McConkey, Bobby Johnson, Mark Ingram, Lionel Manuel. Wide receivers get a lot more attention than they deserve because they make plays out in the open for all to see. But the games are still won in the trenches.

So the idea of getting a great deal for Beckham is not absurd.

But I would not trade him nor will the Giants. His antics are boorish and immature but not to the degree that they neutralize his talents. Hopefully he will mature, but if he does not, he will probably go the way of Shockley in the end
It's early. I am tired, but I know this.  
LarmerTJR : 7/22/2017 7:56 am : link
This thread is a turd.
Give the guy some credit.  
Clintqb17 : 7/22/2017 7:56 am : link
He wants to win just as bas as anyone else on the team.. sure, he wants to get his yards, catches and td's but that's every great WR. He will get his touches and make plenty of plays. I truly believe he would sacrifice some stats for a RING. Am I nuts?
How many  
Doomster : 7/22/2017 8:10 am : link
first round picks do we get for him?
I feel bad for you that you think of this at 7:35 AM on a Saturday.  
Neckbone1333 : 7/22/2017 8:11 am : link
Have some coffee. Scrambled eggs...Go get laid. Anything other than writing stupid things.
And what's up  
Beer Man : 7/22/2017 8:12 am : link
with that f-ing hairdo
...  
Beezer : 7/22/2017 8:26 am : link
You forgot  
XBRONX : 7/22/2017 8:29 am : link
your adderall this morning.
I do not feel he is a selfish player  
George from PA : 7/22/2017 8:32 am : link
So it goes without saying, I disagree with the idea trading him.

Look at the players that Baby Bill let's go  
grizz299 : 7/22/2017 8:32 am : link
and none of them brought back what Odell would bring back.
Dallas built a dynasty when they let a generational player go.
Dikta gave away a dynasty when he went for a generational player.
I think two no.1's or so, is worth more than Odell simply because of the fine receiving corp we would (should?) have without him.
And I am worried about the chemistry this year.
Too bold, too daring, not gonna happen, but maybe should. And injuries happen and I could see letting him go and suddenly praying that you had him and the cries of "folly, off with his head" that would follow.
But "safe" has potential problems too.
Unless a QB is involved I'd almost always trade a "skill" player for a bucketful of picks. Particularly because of the richness of the receiving corp without him.
Grizz  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 8:34 am : link
give some relevant examples, not what happened 20+ years ago in a different NFL. There's 1 team and 1 team only that would consider trading away Beckham and that's the Pats and if we are going to turn the thread into that then you might as well just delete because it's pointless.
We missed our chance to trade him  
mfsd : 7/22/2017 8:34 am : link
His trade value is in the toilet now, after he caught a few balls from Johnny Football one day.

Just cut him and be done with it.
Beckams not going anywhere  
Blue1956 : 7/22/2017 8:36 am : link
I have also been following he G-Men since the 50's...He's quite possibly the most explosive offensive talent I've ever seen suit up for the Giants!! But he needs to learn from his first playoff experience where he did make a fool of himself running shirtless on the field and then failing his Qb! It also didn't help making it public partying with bieber the twat ! Hopefully with the injection of more talent on offense it will only enhance his game ...I look forward to this season
And is Atlanta and Pitt  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 8:43 am : link
trading their stud WRs? Atlanta doesn't go to the SB without Jones and Pitt turns into a more 1 dimensional offense without Brown.
You're right.  
Giantgator : 7/22/2017 8:46 am : link
In retrospect, we should have traded LT after '85.
No team would give what it would take for me  
eli4life : 7/22/2017 8:49 am : link
To even pick up the phone and say hi not interested
Dude has to be a  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/22/2017 8:51 am : link
troll no?
RE: No team would give what it would take for me  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 8:52 am : link
In comment 13535785 eli4life said:
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To even pick up the phone and say hi not interested


That too. Don't know what my ask would be but it would start at two 1sts and what team would pay that and a 9 figure extension?
I know it's very old news  
Blue1956 : 7/22/2017 8:52 am : link
But going back to that first Norman incident it was Norman who initiated that by body slamming Beckham and the dopey refs did Nothing...I never judged Beckham too harshly on his reaction..I believe if he had defensive teammates like LT and Banks they would have taken note and somebody on Carolinas offense would have paid a price...
No  
PaulN : 7/22/2017 8:56 am : link
He isn't a troll, he is an ill-informed fan, with a ridiculous proposal based on nothing relevant. By the way, our owner said he would take 10 of him, I guess he just said that though, since that would fit your opinion.
RE: No its not rediculous  
Gatorade Dunk : 7/22/2017 8:58 am : link
In comment 13535750 grizz299 said:
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it's an opinion you don't share.
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.

Who is Ephram?
RE: Look at the players that Baby Bill let's go  
BillT : 7/22/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13535773 grizz299 said:
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Dallas built a dynasty when they let a generational player go.

No, they didn't. Dallas built a dynasty when they found a chump to trade with.

RE: RE: No its not rediculous  
mfsd : 7/22/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13535796 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13535750 grizz299 said:


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it's an opinion you don't share.
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.



Who is Ephram?


I assume he meant Engram, just with a rediculous misspelling...
RE: No its not rediculous  
djm : 7/22/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13535750 grizz299 said:
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it's an opinion you don't share.
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.


Nope. It's ridiculous.
Yup, it's ridiculous.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/22/2017 9:03 am : link
He's one of those rare players where it's impossible to get approximate value in return because he's simply that good.
The only way he gets traded  
EddieNYG : 7/22/2017 9:08 am : link
Is if the Giants don't want to meet his contract demands which will pay him top WR money.
Who is Ephram, Ellis, and Randall?  
Ivan15 : 7/22/2017 9:09 am : link
I can understand getting a rookie's name wrong once, but not multiple times. And who are thes other guys?

Did the Giants re-sign Randle? And isn't Ellis a catcher?
Wow  
Big Rick in FL : 7/22/2017 9:20 am : link
You are a moron
Bbi at its best  
joeinpa : 7/22/2017 9:24 am : link
Guy shares an "Opinion", and gets attacked personally. Well done boys.

It wouldn't be unprecedented for a team to let a top flight receiver go

Some guys here are insufferable.
yes he is that good  
grizz299 : 7/22/2017 9:34 am : link
but within the context of our situation?

1. The LT analogy makes sense..until you look at it. Very different - and not because of the talent level but the position. There is only one ball. And WR's are the biggest diva's in the sport. Historically and currently.
2. I think you're all underestimating the potential for discord. Odell pouted and showed up his QB when he didn't get the ball last year. How is going to react in a situation with so much more talent on the roster. He is about brand and about stats, I am sure he wants the record for yards in four years and it's within reach. Cutting his receptions is going to cost him big money.
Since Jeter his is the biggest figure in NY, he is known throughout the world. How could any young man hold on to perspective agaisnt that?
For all his greatness there is potential for discord and your head is in the sand if you don't see it.
3. I am convinced the Oline is going to be better, the maturation and hard work of Flowers and Hart is almost certainly going to help, Ellison will help and Perkins figures to be better. The D is going to be better with the addition of Goodson and another year in Spags system.
I think this is the best team in the league without Odell.
4. It's not Odell or nothing..It's likely Odell or Shepard. Or Odell or Marshall and yes the talent drop off is significant. But when you mention the Julio Jones or the great Pitts receiver I think the drop off from them to their replacements is much greater. So I don't hold with that analogy either... Because trading Julio would cripple Atlanta, it does not follow that trading Odell would have the same effect.
Really???  
blueblood'11 : 7/22/2017 9:42 am : link
The season hasn't even started yet. For that matter training camp hasn't bedun and we want to trade our best offensive player. Makes sense to me.
Pray tell  
grizz299 : 7/22/2017 9:48 am : link
what does the season starting mean?....If you were going to trade seems to me this would be the best time.
Understand your need to criticise a controversial and maybe wrongful sentiment, but doesn't mean you should abandon logic.
And I also realise that it's not going to happen.
What pouting do you keep referring to?  
UConn4523 : 7/22/2017 9:55 am : link
And be specific. And once you answer that question go ahead and let me know if any other WR current or otherwise has ever clamored for the ball. And then when you answer that let me know if you think Eli can't handle it or if he's a big boy and knows that it's part of the game.

You are entitled to your opinion but your opinion is based on you perception of the Eli/Beckham relationship and I think you are way off. You think Eli hates getting 7 yard slants taken to the house?
grizz I think the key points supporting your argument are...  
Torrag : 7/22/2017 9:56 am : link
...the presence of Ephram and Randall. Since no such guys exist on the roster it gives you an idea how bad your reasoning is. Suggestion. Never hit the crystal before tapping that 'add
a comment' button and think really, really hard before hitting 'submit'. You're an idiot.
OBJ will be making his HoF acceptance speech  
mfsd : 7/22/2017 9:57 am : link
and some BBI posters will be saying "yeah, but the Josh Norman game"

...  
annexOPR : 7/22/2017 9:59 am : link
go root for the Jets.

what a fucking joke ... lets trade someone who could quite possibly be the most talented offensive player in franchise history because "Ephram" and Marshall will make him pout

RE: Bbi at its best  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/22/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13535814 joeinpa said:
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Guy shares an "Opinion", and gets attacked personally. Well done boys.

It wouldn't be unprecedented for a team to let a top flight receiver go

Some guys here are insufferable.


joepa -- can you please give us an example of how it wouldn't be unprecedented to trade away a generational talent that was drafted, and arguably the top WR in the NFL during the passing era?

I reject the Cowboys example. Trading away Hershel Walker was a monumentally classic blunder by Minnesota - it's hard to believe that any team would give the Giants what Minnesota gave the Cowboys for Walker -- but if somehow the Giants could get four starters (3 above average offensive line men and an above average power running back) and 3 number ones and 3 number twos and a number three draft picks then I might listen to such a trade...

but the fact is that draft picks are much more valuable now then they were in 1989 .. and you won't see such an offer.

The Redskins didn't trade that much to get RGIII and that was for a supposed franchise QB

I guess as fans we are allowed to dream about having play money - but the Giants are built around having Beckham this year and next -- and I agree with a comment above -- that if you're going to trade Beckham you really should trade Eli as well -- and to me -- right now the only way I would trade Beckham is if Eli was out and I wanted the top QB in next year's draft -- so basically you would trade for next year's number 1 pick and a few sorted other things

but even that is a huge risk unless you have a conviction -- and right now I have a conviction that with Beckham the Giants are one of the best teams in football right now -- and without him they are a defensive powerhouse -- without a real offense

but I ask you -- why sign/keep OV, JPP or Beckham - why sign/keep Jack Rabbit, DRC - if you are trading Beckham? It just doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense because you used all that money and made serious committments for no good reason
oops -- Beckham = Harrison in the  
gidiefor : Mod : 7/22/2017 10:04 am : link
why sign/keep list
yes...you've almost got it....  
grizz299 : 7/22/2017 10:04 am : link
there's a real possibility that the addition of Engram and MZarshall cause Odell to pout and create tension and discord.
The fact that he pouted last year is certainly a harbinger.
But there's lots of other reasons...the wonderful depth at the position being another, the cap space he will take up next year and on and on...
And your"jet remark" was inappropriate and simply an example of someone who couldn't rebut straight up...
Whatever the reason whether....  
Tom [Giants fan] : 7/22/2017 10:04 am : link
logical or illogical, NO!!!!
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