I can overlook the Norman meltdown. But I remember vividly the pouting when he didn't get the ball and he showed up Eli. And that bothers me and it's a worry for next year and it's about the only way I can see this team not blowing away the league.
I remember too the disregard (both implicit and explicit) that he showed for his head coach. The bravado not sustained that showed up shirtless in Green Bay and a potential trip to the superbowl crapped on with dropped wide open passes and Eli didn't show him up cause Eli is about team.
I also remember the first time he played; lined up split left (the top of my tv screen), the first graceful move he put on the CB and he was so open a stunned Eli couldn't react, the second play and the cb almost fell down reached out and grabbed for elusive lightning & took a penalty - gladly. A Giant fan since the mid fifties, only LT, Tucker Fredrickson, and Shockey had first moments that compared, only they didn't compare.
This is a generational talent. Brilliant in every way, the best route runner, best hands, most explosive YAC's, and, all his preening aside, still a charmer.
Who thinks he is bigger than the game and bigger than NY. And probably is.
And suddenly there's Marshall, a returning Vereen, a more mature and accomplished Shepard, the wonderful potential of Ephram, King, Lewis, Powe and Randall. And solid tough guy Ellison who is a better receiver and overall player than he's given credit for.
Our kitchen scraps will be other teams entrees.
As great as he is I am not sure that group is much the less for not having him. And the game is still played with one ball...and is he going to pout when Marshall gets red zone attention and Ephram breaks one down the middle.
And it's relative anyway. He will demand (appropriately so) a kings's ransom next year and that means less talent on the roster.
It's bold, it's daring and maybe even suicidial. But I'd trade the brilliance and the promise if I could bring back a high (and easy on the cap) no.`1.
Which is why I'm in the forklift business and don't trade cars or football players.
I simply do not condone pouting...
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.
If your ignorance wasn't on full display in the rest of the shit above, this cements it. An easy on the cap #1 doesn't exist unless it turns out to be a shitty player!
I hope (and expect) that he will someday retire as a Giant.
I wouldn't trade OBJ (unless for a king's ransom).
So the idea of getting a great deal for Beckham is not absurd.
But I would not trade him nor will the Giants. His antics are boorish and immature but not to the degree that they neutralize his talents. Hopefully he will mature, but if he does not, he will probably go the way of Shockley in the end
Dallas built a dynasty when they let a generational player go.
Dikta gave away a dynasty when he went for a generational player.
I think two no.1's or so, is worth more than Odell simply because of the fine receiving corp we would (should?) have without him.
And I am worried about the chemistry this year.
Too bold, too daring, not gonna happen, but maybe should. And injuries happen and I could see letting him go and suddenly praying that you had him and the cries of "folly, off with his head" that would follow.
But "safe" has potential problems too.
Unless a QB is involved I'd almost always trade a "skill" player for a bucketful of picks. Particularly because of the richness of the receiving corp without him.
Just cut him and be done with it.
That too. Don't know what my ask would be but it would start at two 1sts and what team would pay that and a 9 figure extension?
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.
Who is Ephram?
Dallas built a dynasty when they let a generational player go.
No, they didn't. Dallas built a dynasty when they found a chump to trade with.
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it's an opinion you don't share.
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.
Who is Ephram?
I assume he meant Engram, just with a rediculous misspelling...
Ephram, Marshall, Ellis, Shepard, Ellison and Vereen make it an option and maybe even a redundancy.
Nope. It's ridiculous.
Did the Giants re-sign Randle? And isn't Ellis a catcher?
It wouldn't be unprecedented for a team to let a top flight receiver go
Some guys here are insufferable.
1. The LT analogy makes sense..until you look at it. Very different - and not because of the talent level but the position. There is only one ball. And WR's are the biggest diva's in the sport. Historically and currently.
2. I think you're all underestimating the potential for discord. Odell pouted and showed up his QB when he didn't get the ball last year. How is going to react in a situation with so much more talent on the roster. He is about brand and about stats, I am sure he wants the record for yards in four years and it's within reach. Cutting his receptions is going to cost him big money.
Since Jeter his is the biggest figure in NY, he is known throughout the world. How could any young man hold on to perspective agaisnt that?
For all his greatness there is potential for discord and your head is in the sand if you don't see it.
3. I am convinced the Oline is going to be better, the maturation and hard work of Flowers and Hart is almost certainly going to help, Ellison will help and Perkins figures to be better. The D is going to be better with the addition of Goodson and another year in Spags system.
I think this is the best team in the league without Odell.
4. It's not Odell or nothing..It's likely Odell or Shepard. Or Odell or Marshall and yes the talent drop off is significant. But when you mention the Julio Jones or the great Pitts receiver I think the drop off from them to their replacements is much greater. So I don't hold with that analogy either... Because trading Julio would cripple Atlanta, it does not follow that trading Odell would have the same effect.
Understand your need to criticise a controversial and maybe wrongful sentiment, but doesn't mean you should abandon logic.
And I also realise that it's not going to happen.
You are entitled to your opinion but your opinion is based on you perception of the Eli/Beckham relationship and I think you are way off. You think Eli hates getting 7 yard slants taken to the house?
a comment' button and think really, really hard before hitting 'submit'. You're an idiot.
what a fucking joke ... lets trade someone who could quite possibly be the most talented offensive player in franchise history because "Ephram" and Marshall will make him pout
It wouldn't be unprecedented for a team to let a top flight receiver go
Some guys here are insufferable.
joepa -- can you please give us an example of how it wouldn't be unprecedented to trade away a generational talent that was drafted, and arguably the top WR in the NFL during the passing era?
I reject the Cowboys example. Trading away Hershel Walker was a monumentally classic blunder by Minnesota - it's hard to believe that any team would give the Giants what Minnesota gave the Cowboys for Walker -- but if somehow the Giants could get four starters (3 above average offensive line men and an above average power running back) and 3 number ones and 3 number twos and a number three draft picks then I might listen to such a trade...
but the fact is that draft picks are much more valuable now then they were in 1989 .. and you won't see such an offer.
The Redskins didn't trade that much to get RGIII and that was for a supposed franchise QB
I guess as fans we are allowed to dream about having play money - but the Giants are built around having Beckham this year and next -- and I agree with a comment above -- that if you're going to trade Beckham you really should trade Eli as well -- and to me -- right now the only way I would trade Beckham is if Eli was out and I wanted the top QB in next year's draft -- so basically you would trade for next year's number 1 pick and a few sorted other things
but even that is a huge risk unless you have a conviction -- and right now I have a conviction that with Beckham the Giants are one of the best teams in football right now -- and without him they are a defensive powerhouse -- without a real offense
but I ask you -- why sign/keep OV, JPP or Beckham - why sign/keep Jack Rabbit, DRC - if you are trading Beckham? It just doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense because you used all that money and made serious committments for no good reason
The fact that he pouted last year is certainly a harbinger.
But there's lots of other reasons...the wonderful depth at the position being another, the cap space he will take up next year and on and on...
And your"jet remark" was inappropriate and simply an example of someone who couldn't rebut straight up...