Two quarterbacks, or three?

Can't leave the season in the hands of a rookie with no history of being under center.

We have to carry Geno or Johnson.

I'd be shocked if it were not three.

Even if Webb plays like Prescott during the preseason I still think the Giants would keep him as the 3rd QB unless Smith and Johnson both play terribly.

The Giants think it's best for Webb's development that he spend the year focused on his mechanics and the playbook as the 3rd string QB.

Eli Manning
Geno Smith
Davis Webb

QB (3) Eli, Geno, and Webb

RB (4) Perkins, Vereen, Gallman, Darkwa

WR (6) Odell, Marshall, Shepard, Harris, King, Lewis

TE(4) Engram, Ellison, Adams, LaCosse

OL (8) Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Hart, Fluker, Bisnowaty, Jones

DL (10) JPP, Snacks, Tomlinson, Vernon, Okwara, Moss, Taylor, Thomas, and Bromley

LB (6) Kennard, Goodson, Cassilas, JT Thomas, Keenen Robinson, Herzlich

CB (5) Jenkins, Apple, DRC, Hunter, M. Thompson

S (4) Collins, D. Thompson, Adams, Behre

ST (3) Rosas, Wing, DeOssie

Tough cuts: Powe, Rudolph, Shane Smith, Wheeler, Deayon, Wynn, OO, Gettis, Tye

so add back in the winner of Wynn/OO battle. 6 DE is a lot but Taylor can move inside on certain downs, as can others.

In comment 13536033 ZGiants98 said:

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so add back in the winner of Wynn/OO battle. 6 DE is a lot but Taylor can move inside on certain downs, as can others.

Why do they need ten DL?

My breakdown:
QB: 3
RB: 4
TE: 4
WR: 5
OL: 9
DL: 9
LB: 6
DB: 10
ST: 3

Many young QBs have been thrown into the fire. A bunch have been able to manage a game reasonably ok..

Johnson and Smith are garbage. Might as well go with the kid if Eli goes down..I'd love the flexibility of an extra roster spot..

to run a short script of plays so that he could finish a game. In all likelyhood, either Smith or Johnson (or both) will be sitting on their couch after cut -down and be available, if needed.

But I want 2

In comment 13536018 ZGiants98 said:

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We have to carry Geno or Johnson.

We can't win with Geno or Johnson either, so whats the difference. At least Webb will get better.

(assuming Web isn't completely lost in the next few weeks). But, the Giants will keep 3.

training camp/preseason can help with the decision but I lean toward just keeping Webb as the back up. As others have noted above, plenty of rookie QBs play and be reasonably successful. I would prefer to have the extra roster spot.

And can we hold off on assigning nicknames at least until he takes a snap in a game?

That being said, pre-season can change things. Stranger stuff has happened. (look who the backup was in 07- the hefty lefty!)

it would be a shock if they kept only 2.

If Eli got hurt in midseason, we'd probably go down the tubes. But if we made the playoffs -- or were close -- you'd rather bring in an experienced guy who, with our defense, might succeed in pulling out a few game-managed wins.

In comment 13536081 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 13536018 ZGiants98 said: Quote: We have to carry Geno or Johnson. We can't win with Geno or Johnson either, so whats the difference. At least Webb will get better.

Disagree 100%. We should have a top 5 defense. Geno could absolutely win us a few games if Eli was out for little while. Not all injuries are season enders.

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In comment 13536033 ZGiants98 said: Quote: so add back in the winner of Wynn/OO battle. 6 DE is a lot but Taylor can move inside on certain downs, as can others. Why do they need ten DL? My breakdown: QB: 3 RB: 4 TE: 4 WR: 5 OL: 9 DL: 9 LB: 6 DB: 10 ST: 3

Thanks for the cookie cutter diagram. Lol. We have a lot of draft picks and money invested in DE so I could see us going there with our last spot. We normally keep 5. Obviously that last spot can go to an extra OL or somewhere else.

If Webb plays well this preseason...

Anybody think Webb ends up on disabled list? He is a hard worker by all accounts but, he is not ready to play yet. Bring him along slowly (no pressure), save a roster spot and let him learn(?)

In comment 13536179 short lease said:

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Anybody think Webb ends up on disabled list? He is a hard worker by all accounts but, he is not ready to play yet. Bring him along slowly (no pressure), save a roster spot and let him learn(?)

No DL in football. If you place him on the IR he can't practice with the team and therefore won't develop. So, No, that wouldn't happen unless he was actually hurt.

shows enough to only keep 2 (I doubt it.)

Also, I hope Smith has an awesome pre-season and we can use him as trade bait. (another pipe dream)

Ultimately we end up with 3 and very little confidence after Eli

In comment 13536186 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 13536179 short lease said: Quote: Anybody think Webb ends up on disabled list? He is a hard worker by all accounts but, he is not ready to play yet. Bring him along slowly (no pressure), save a roster spot and let him learn(?) No DL in football. If you place him on the IR he can't practice with the team and therefore won't develop. So, No, that wouldn't happen unless he was actually hurt.

That's what I meant ... the DL. I know he will be gone for the season but, so what really And then keep the other 3 with the most experience(?).

To accurately determine if he's capable of being the team's #2 QB. So in all likelihood he'll sit behind Eli and either Smith or Johnson.

In comment 13536209 short lease said:

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In comment 13536186 ZogZerg said: Quote: In comment 13536179 short lease said: Quote: Anybody think Webb ends up on disabled list? He is a hard worker by all accounts but, he is not ready to play yet. Bring him along slowly (no pressure), save a roster spot and let him learn(?) No DL in football. If you place him on the IR he can't practice with the team and therefore won't develop. So, No, that wouldn't happen unless he was actually hurt. That's what I meant ... the DL. I know he will be gone for the season but, so what really And then keep the other 3 with the most experience(?).

Did it again. IR not DL ....

Hoping 2. Gino was just terrible with the jets. Why expect that to change?

Modification they permitted a couple years ago? A third qb still counts towards overall roster number but now on game day your third qb doesn't count against active player roster correct?

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Modification they permitted a couple years ago? A third qb still counts towards overall roster number but now on game day your third qb doesn't count against active player roster correct?

No. They eliminated the 3rd QB rule when they expanded the number of gameday-active players from 45 to 46.

You are a damned encyclopedia. How do you do it?

and it would be a shame not to give Webb as many reps/snaps, if not more, than either of those two guys this summer.

In comment 13536638 bigfish703 said:

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You are a damned encyclopedia. How do you do it?

I'm not human, but the chicks still dig me.

Eli and Webb.

If eli goes down Josh Johnson and/or Geno Smith will not be able carry the load. I like Johnson better of the two, based on what ive seen of them during meaningfull games but neither is that much better then the other. I cant imagine webb being too far behind these guys, though i could be wrong.

unless webb comes in and is flat out clueless i go with 2 QBs. The hall of famer and the young back up setting up to fill big shoes down the line.

for the next model.

I don t see how Web gets serious time in preseason.

but I would be shocked if it is not 3. Webb will be #3 and I think Smith would have to be horrible to not be #2.

Webb is a reasonable choice for backup of Eli Manning, or first clipboard holder. He's played nearly 13 seasons and never missed a game. I highly doubt the difference between Webb and a Geno is going to be that great. We're probably screwed regardless but having that extra lineman or being able to have a legit FB on the roster, for example, means more than having a 3rd QB. Not to mention that this is just to start the season, there will always be vet QBs available waiting for a call should Webb not be ready if the unthinkable happens.

preseason, then I could see his being the backup, but it's a long shot, at least early in the season. I think they carry 3, and if they feel at some point during the season that Webb is comfortable enough, they go with 2.

instead of the expected 8 and 8 or 9 DL, instead of the 10 mentioned in this thread.

because the season is over if Eli goes down regardless ... this "veteran QB" stuff is nonsense

all geno will do is maybe win another game or 2 more than Webb - get the rookie reps if disaster strikes