he's not just a bad defender. He's so bad that he basically makes an offense. All you have to do is get his feet moving and you'll get elite points/possession.
I think just by virtue of his age/one less year he's more appealing than Anderson if they are hoping to move one of them and it's not crazy to believe Kanter opts out after the season. It could go either way but there is that chance.
on the eye test in PHI-NYK games. Live body, blocks and 3s. Could round into a really nice, bigger 3&D guy. Would also eat into Lance's minutes which is a plus.
Downside of him is that he needs to get paid soon.
Maybe we'll nab Capela in this trade after all? We'd have to pay him soon, but Capela and Frank would give us the backbone of an excellent defensive team in years to come.
i guess. McDermott is not good, sure he shot 39% from 3, but that is all he does. I do like Abrines a bit and ive always liked Grant (Cuse!), but i dont expect either to turn into much. Again HOU is offering crap so of course id like Ferguson and a couple of these guys more then Hartenstein.
he's their interior D and PnR partner for the guards. The could sooner move Ariza and Gordon than Capela IMO.
In any event, if we got Capela in a trade, I'd move him to a 3rd team for futures. It would be tempting to field Capela, Frank, and KP and hope a super D emerges, but my gut tells me that Capela is not good enough to eat your cap. You get a Capela after you're capped out IMO. I think there are a bunch of teams who would move some real pieces for Capela. Maybe could get a 2016 draftee like Maker, Ingram, Brown, etc. with NY adding or getting another piece depending on the guy.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
This was probably the plan previously but I would think the team being for sale throws a wrench in it. I would think a new buyer wouldn't want to buy a team paying the luxury tax (or at least their preference is not to be)
RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away? Â
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away? Â
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source Â
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?
RE: RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source Â
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.
RE: RE: RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source Â
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.
this is my thinking, no team will tell another team dont make an offer already talking to another team unless that deal is basically done
RE: RE: RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away? Â
His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?
You're overthinking it. Houston/OKC games end at 10 or 10:30 ET. He's not trying to push himself to an Eastern team.
The simple explanation is probably the correct explanation -- he wants to play with Paul and can be talking into Russ + PG13. Less so the Portland guys. The kid thing is likely an excuse (given that he's not trying to force himself on a north east team)
Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
RE: Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving? Â
Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
if i am the cavs:
melo, willy and 2 1sts for irving
RE: Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving? Â
Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
I saw somewhere today (forget who reported it) that they are looking for 2 veterans and a young asset. I'd start them off with an offer of Melo, Courtney Lee, and a first round pick. They would have to send back Shumpert and Frye's contracts to make salaries match along with Irving.
The only issue with them bringing in Melo is that the fit with him, Lebron, Love, and Thompson is awkward. They would have to find a new home for Love, perhaps they could send him to Phoenix for a package centered around Bledsoe.
If Lebron leaves and Melo also opts out next year they quickly become awful. To me they should ask for Lee, Willy and KP, but the Knicks won't go there. Perhaps substitute Frank N. and another #1 for KP.
(We'd sure have been better off keeping Lopez than taking on Rose and Noah last year, huh?)
Melo, Lee, 1st round pick (hopefully top 6 protected) for Irving, Frye and Shump. Lee could actually thrive in Cleveland and Melo could bring some scoring that they lose with Kyrie leaving. Frye I actually do not mind at all, he has one year left at about 7 million and is a good player off the bench. Shump is getting paid a bit more but still under contract for only two more seasons.
Does Melo and Lee plus a 1st rounder take Cleveland over the top? Probably not but at least they get an asset in return. I am not sure if this deal gets it done, they probably will want two first round picks or a 1st and Willy
To me Irving is in the upper echelon of NBA talents. Â
Cleveland would be silly to give him up for an aging Melo, a decent shooting guard, and a #1. They likely can get a bidding war going between several teams and get a lot more than that.
Suns are reportedly willing to offer Eric Bledsoe and Josh Jackson+ Â
Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
Here are the 3 assets I'm willing to move...
- Melo
- Frank
- PROTECTED 2018 first round pick (somewhere between 5-8)
There's no way I make the 2018 pick unprotected. I also would be strongly against giving up Willy.
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago.
Can't wait to hear people talk up Leonard and how he was a high pick...6 years ago. Blazers fans absolutely despise him. They talk about him the way we used to talk about Fat Ray/Jeffries.
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[–]_Quetzalcoatlus_ 11 points 6 hours ago
Blazers fan jumping in on the top comment to let y'all know: Rice is our recently fired color announcer. He was let go because he was getting old and saying some wacky shit on TV. As far as I know, he's never broken a story before.
Maybe he's right, but I would take it with a grain of salt.
HAVE to include Leonard, fwiw. They have plenty of other salary filler to make it work.
Just saying Leonard flat sucks. Blazers fans talk about him like he's truly garbage and 38% from the field at 7'1 is tough to pull off...If you can't get burn 5 years into your career you likely aren't very good.
him, but most assume they want to dump a bit more salary then just Harkless if they are going to take on Anderson. Who knows though.
Id be fine with Ariza coming here, we should 100% be able to trade him to a contender during the season. To be honest id rather trade him right away, but either way he is an asset.
we better end up with more then Hartenstein. EIther HOU is throwing in Qi and/or POR is throwing in another asset. If we get a couple extra assets for taking leonard im ok with that. Let him sit on the bench until we need the capspace and then stretch him. But im only taking him if we are getting more youth/picks to take him.
let the record show the market spoke pretty clearly on Rose's value in today's NBA. He's getting closer and closer to his destiny of leading the Chinese league in scoring. It's telling that an older player with his own lengthy injury history (George Hill) got a ton more money.
I think just by virtue of his age/one less year he's more appealing than Anderson if they are hoping to move one of them and it's not crazy to believe Kanter opts out after the season. It could go either way but there is that chance.
Downside of him is that he needs to get paid soon.
In any event, if we got Capela in a trade, I'd move him to a 3rd team for futures. It would be tempting to field Capela, Frank, and KP and hope a super D emerges, but my gut tells me that Capela is not good enough to eat your cap. You get a Capela after you're capped out IMO. I think there are a bunch of teams who would move some real pieces for Capela. Maybe could get a 2016 draftee like Maker, Ingram, Brown, etc. with NY adding or getting another piece depending on the guy.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
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but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
This was probably the plan previously but I would think the team being for sale throws a wrench in it. I would think a new buyer wouldn't want to buy a team paying the luxury tax (or at least their preference is not to be)
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
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. Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
The only reason they might prefer to deal with the Knicks and not the Celts is that the Celts are a real threat now and the knicks are not.
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?
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. Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.
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. Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )
the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.
this is my thinking, no team will tell another team dont make an offer already talking to another team unless that deal is basically done
His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?
You're overthinking it. Houston/OKC games end at 10 or 10:30 ET. He's not trying to push himself to an Eastern team.
The simple explanation is probably the correct explanation -- he wants to play with Paul and can be talking into Russ + PG13. Less so the Portland guys. The kid thing is likely an excuse (given that he's not trying to force himself on a north east team)
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
if i am the cavs:
melo, willy and 2 1sts for irving
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
I saw somewhere today (forget who reported it) that they are looking for 2 veterans and a young asset. I'd start them off with an offer of Melo, Courtney Lee, and a first round pick. They would have to send back Shumpert and Frye's contracts to make salaries match along with Irving.
The only issue with them bringing in Melo is that the fit with him, Lebron, Love, and Thompson is awkward. They would have to find a new home for Love, perhaps they could send him to Phoenix for a package centered around Bledsoe.
(We'd sure have been better off keeping Lopez than taking on Rose and Noah last year, huh?)
Does Melo and Lee plus a 1st rounder take Cleveland over the top? Probably not but at least they get an asset in return. I am not sure if this deal gets it done, they probably will want two first round picks or a 1st and Willy
Maybe the Knicks can get in on that:
Cleveland gets - Bledsoe, Melo (Maybe a future Knicks #1)
Cleveland gives - Irving, Shumpert, Frye
Phoenix gets - Irving, C. Lee
Phoenix gives - Bledsoe, J Jackson, B. Knoght
Knicks get - J Jackson, Frye, Shumpert, B. Knight
Knicks give - Melo, Lee, (Future #1?)
suns would be stupid to do that in my opinion...
just keep building around booker, jackson and chriss...
they said they want booker to be like harden ball always in his hands, then why trade for irving?
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I don't think we can top that, nor should we. I'd be willing to trade Frank, Carmelo, MAYBE a unprotected first, but that's it.
Maybe the Knicks can get in on that:
Cleveland gets - Bledsoe, Melo (Maybe a future Knicks #1)
Cleveland gives - Irving, Shumpert, Frye
Phoenix gets - Irving, C. Lee
Phoenix gives - Bledsoe, J Jackson, B. Knoght
Knicks get - J Jackson, Frye, Shumpert, B. Knight
Knicks give - Melo, Lee, (Future #1?)
Right teams, wrong trade:
Cleveland gives: Irving, Shump, Frye
Cleveland gets: Bledsoe, Melo
Phoenix gives: Knight, Bledsoe
Phoenix gets: Shump, Frank, Knicks 2018 no. 1 top 5 protected
Knicks give: Melo, Frank, 2018 1st top 5 protected
Knicks get: Irving, Frye, Knight
I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.
Here are the 3 assets I'm willing to move...
- Melo
- Frank
- PROTECTED 2018 first round pick (somewhere between 5-8)
There's no way I make the 2018 pick unprotected. I also would be strongly against giving up Willy.
Can't wait to hear people talk up Leonard and how he was a high pick...6 years ago. Blazers fans absolutely despise him. They talk about him the way we used to talk about Fat Ray/Jeffries.
[–]_Quetzalcoatlus_ 11 points 6 hours ago
Blazers fan jumping in on the top comment to let y'all know: Rice is our recently fired color announcer. He was let go because he was getting old and saying some wacky shit on TV. As far as I know, he's never broken a story before.
Maybe he's right, but I would take it with a grain of salt.
Just saying Leonard flat sucks. Blazers fans talk about him like he's truly garbage and 38% from the field at 7'1 is tough to pull off...If you can't get burn 5 years into your career you likely aren't very good.
Id be fine with Ariza coming here, we should 100% be able to trade him to a contender during the season. To be honest id rather trade him right away, but either way he is an asset.
maybe deal got completely reworked and anderson and leonard are not involved?
Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor
Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton
Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor
Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton
let the record show the market spoke pretty clearly on Rose's value in today's NBA. He's getting closer and closer to his destiny of leading the Chinese league in scoring. It's telling that an older player with his own lengthy injury history (George Hill) got a ton more money.
Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor
Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton
Looks like Williams signing has happened.
"Williams signed a three-year contract extension with the Rockets on Thursday, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN reports."