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nygiants16 : 7/23/2017 1:29 pm
Knicks hired gerald mackins as assistant gm..
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RE: I think Kanter has deeply negative value  
DanMetroMan : 7/24/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13537526 Deej said:
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he's not just a bad defender. He's so bad that he basically makes an offense. All you have to do is get his feet moving and you'll get elite points/possession.


I think just by virtue of his age/one less year he's more appealing than Anderson if they are hoping to move one of them and it's not crazy to believe Kanter opts out after the season. It could go either way but there is that chance.
I brought this up  
GMEN46 : 7/24/2017 12:36 pm : link
Last week. Kanter's more then likely opting out next year sonits one year deal. I like grant, but didn't realize they don't have picks until 2022.
Grant has always interested me  
Deej : 7/24/2017 12:38 pm : link
on the eye test in PHI-NYK games. Live body, blocks and 3s. Could round into a really nice, bigger 3&D guy. Would also eat into Lance's minutes which is a plus.

Downside of him is that he needs to get paid soon.
Not sure OKC can do a 3 for 1 type deal  
Deej : 7/24/2017 12:40 pm : link
they'd be very thin.
At least OKC gives us some leverage with Houston.  
bceagle05 : 7/24/2017 12:43 pm : link
Maybe we'll nab Capela in this trade after all? We'd have to pay him soon, but Capela and Frank would give us the backbone of an excellent defensive team in years to come.
OKC assets are slightly better  
Italianju : 7/24/2017 12:46 pm : link
i guess. McDermott is not good, sure he shot 39% from 3, but that is all he does. I do like Abrines a bit and ive always liked Grant (Cuse!), but i dont expect either to turn into much. Again HOU is offering crap so of course id like Ferguson and a couple of these guys more then Hartenstein.
There is zero chance...  
Italianju : 7/24/2017 12:47 pm : link
that HOU trades Capela. I guarantee they would rather not get Melo then trade Capela. If this gives us any leverage it might mean we can get Qi.
I have to think HOU cant trade Capela  
Deej : 7/24/2017 12:50 pm : link
he's their interior D and PnR partner for the guards. The could sooner move Ariza and Gordon than Capela IMO.

In any event, if we got Capela in a trade, I'd move him to a 3rd team for futures. It would be tempting to field Capela, Frank, and KP and hope a super D emerges, but my gut tells me that Capela is not good enough to eat your cap. You get a Capela after you're capped out IMO. I think there are a bunch of teams who would move some real pieces for Capela. Maybe could get a 2016 draftee like Maker, Ingram, Brown, etc. with NY adding or getting another piece depending on the guy.
I like Capela  
Enzo : 7/24/2017 12:59 pm : link
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
RE: I like Capela  
Deej : 7/24/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13537577 Enzo said:
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but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.


I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
RE: RE: I like Capela  
Strahan91 : 7/24/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13537637 Deej said:
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but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.



I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.


This was probably the plan previously but I would think the team being for sale throws a wrench in it. I would think a new buyer wouldn't want to buy a team paying the luxury tax (or at least their preference is not to be)
RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/24/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13537499 Deej said:
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).

I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.



Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?  
Deej : 7/24/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13537743 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).

I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.




Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.


Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.

It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source  
Strahan91 : 7/24/2017 3:40 pm : link
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Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )
RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source  
nygiants16 : 7/24/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13537750 Strahan91 said:
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the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?
RE: RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source  
Heisenberg : 7/24/2017 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13537758 nygiants16 said:
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the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?


The only reason they might prefer to deal with the Knicks and not the Celts is that the Celts are a real threat now and the knicks are not.
RE: RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?  
giants#1 : 7/24/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13537749 Deej said:
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).

I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.




Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.



Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.

It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?


His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?
RE: RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source  
DanMetroMan : 7/24/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13537758 nygiants16 said:
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the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?



Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.
RE: RE: RE: i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source  
nygiants16 : 7/24/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13537785 DanMetroMan said:
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. Celtics radio guy - ( New Window )



the deal would already have to be done otherwise why would the cavs say no to another team making a. id if it could be a better offer?




Totally BS. I called him out on twitter and he got defensive. He suggested Ainge doesn't want to bother with talks "so far" down the road with the Knicks. Totally defies logic, then I said I guess we should hear a done deal shortly and he said these things can still fall apart... so Ainge would sit out negotiations on a deal that isn't close enough to being "done"? lol everyone wants their day in the sun.


this is my thinking, no team will tell another team dont make an offer already talking to another team unless that deal is basically done
RE: RE: RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?  
Deej : 7/24/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13537783 giants#1 said:
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His son is 10 (I think). Maybe he likes being able to chat with him after games and playing most his games on the West Coast would prevent that?


You're overthinking it. Houston/OKC games end at 10 or 10:30 ET. He's not trying to push himself to an Eastern team.

The simple explanation is probably the correct explanation -- he wants to play with Paul and can be talking into Russ + PG13. Less so the Portland guys. The kid thing is likely an excuse (given that he's not trying to force himself on a north east team)
Derrick Rose is officially a Cav!  
bceagle05 : 7/24/2017 7:09 pm : link
Breathe easier, Knicks fans.
Good spot for him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/24/2017 7:10 pm : link
and an upgrade over the animated corpse of Deron Williams
Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving?  
yatqb : 7/24/2017 9:37 pm : link
Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.

I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.

RE: Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving?  
nygiants16 : 7/24/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13537957 yatqb said:
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Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.

I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.


if i am the cavs:

melo, willy and 2 1sts for irving
RE: Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving?  
Mike in NJ : 7/24/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13537957 yatqb said:
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Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.

I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.


I saw somewhere today (forget who reported it) that they are looking for 2 veterans and a young asset. I'd start them off with an offer of Melo, Courtney Lee, and a first round pick. They would have to send back Shumpert and Frye's contracts to make salaries match along with Irving.

The only issue with them bringing in Melo is that the fit with him, Lebron, Love, and Thompson is awkward. They would have to find a new home for Love, perhaps they could send him to Phoenix for a package centered around Bledsoe.
I don't know why they'd be interested in Melo.  
yatqb : 7/24/2017 10:05 pm : link
If Lebron leaves and Melo also opts out next year they quickly become awful. To me they should ask for Lee, Willy and KP, but the Knicks won't go there. Perhaps substitute Frank N. and another #1 for KP.

(We'd sure have been better off keeping Lopez than taking on Rose and Noah last year, huh?)
I could see  
TommyWiseau : 7/24/2017 10:11 pm : link
Melo, Lee, 1st round pick (hopefully top 6 protected) for Irving, Frye and Shump. Lee could actually thrive in Cleveland and Melo could bring some scoring that they lose with Kyrie leaving. Frye I actually do not mind at all, he has one year left at about 7 million and is a good player off the bench. Shump is getting paid a bit more but still under contract for only two more seasons.

Does Melo and Lee plus a 1st rounder take Cleveland over the top? Probably not but at least they get an asset in return. I am not sure if this deal gets it done, they probably will want two first round picks or a 1st and Willy
To me Irving is in the upper echelon of NBA talents.  
yatqb : 7/24/2017 10:16 pm : link
Cleveland would be silly to give him up for an aging Melo, a decent shooting guard, and a #1. They likely can get a bidding war going between several teams and get a lot more than that.
Suns are reportedly willing to offer Eric Bledsoe and Josh Jackson+  
Anakim : 7/24/2017 10:19 pm : link
I don't think we can top that, nor should we. I'd be willing to trade Frank, Carmelo, MAYBE a unprotected first, but that's it.
RE: Suns are reportedly willing to offer Eric Bledsoe and Josh Jackson+  
Eli Wilson : 7/24/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13537980 Anakim said:
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I don't think we can top that, nor should we. I'd be willing to trade Frank, Carmelo, MAYBE a unprotected first, but that's it.

Maybe the Knicks can get in on that:

Cleveland gets - Bledsoe, Melo (Maybe a future Knicks #1)
Cleveland gives - Irving, Shumpert, Frye

Phoenix gets - Irving, C. Lee
Phoenix gives - Bledsoe, J Jackson, B. Knoght

Knicks get - J Jackson, Frye, Shumpert, B. Knight
Knicks give - Melo, Lee, (Future #1?)
RE: Suns are reportedly willing to offer Eric Bledsoe and Josh Jackson+  
nygiants16 : 7/24/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13537980 Anakim said:
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I don't think we can top that, nor should we. I'd be willing to trade Frank, Carmelo, MAYBE a unprotected first, but that's it.


suns would be stupid to do that in my opinion...

just keep building around booker, jackson and chriss...

they said they want booker to be like harden ball always in his hands, then why trade for irving?
RE: RE: Suns are reportedly willing to offer Eric Bledsoe and Josh Jackson+  
Jon in NYC : 7/24/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13537983 Eli Wilson said:
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I don't think we can top that, nor should we. I'd be willing to trade Frank, Carmelo, MAYBE a unprotected first, but that's it.


Maybe the Knicks can get in on that:

Cleveland gets - Bledsoe, Melo (Maybe a future Knicks #1)
Cleveland gives - Irving, Shumpert, Frye

Phoenix gets - Irving, C. Lee
Phoenix gives - Bledsoe, J Jackson, B. Knoght

Knicks get - J Jackson, Frye, Shumpert, B. Knight
Knicks give - Melo, Lee, (Future #1?)


Right teams, wrong trade:

Cleveland gives: Irving, Shump, Frye
Cleveland gets: Bledsoe, Melo

Phoenix gives: Knight, Bledsoe
Phoenix gets: Shump, Frank, Knicks 2018 no. 1 top 5 protected

Knicks give: Melo, Frank, 2018 1st top 5 protected
Knicks get: Irving, Frye, Knight
RE: Knicks fans, what do you think is a truly fair offer for Irving?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/24/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13537957 yatqb said:
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Not an offer that's good for the Knicks, but one that's really comparable to what the Cavs could get from others.

I'd say Hernangomez, Frank N., and an unprotected pick next year. I'm not crazy about that trade for the Knicks, but I can't see the Cavs settling for anything less than that...or likely even that.


Here are the 3 assets I'm willing to move...

- Melo
- Frank
- PROTECTED 2018 first round pick (somewhere between 5-8)

There's no way I make the 2018 pick unprotected. I also would be strongly against giving up Willy.
sounds like the houston deal is getting closer  
nygiants16 : 7/24/2017 11:09 pm : link
blazers color guy saying the blazers are the 3rd team in deal
One-yard line!  
bceagle05 : 7/24/2017 11:28 pm : link
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so after all of this...  
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:30 am : link
watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago.
RE: so after all of this...  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 7:48 am : link
In comment 13538035 Italianju said:
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watch us just end up with the harkless, Leonard, Hartenstein crap we thought we were getting a week or so ago.


Can't wait to hear people talk up Leonard and how he was a high pick...6 years ago. Blazers fans absolutely despise him. They talk about him the way we used to talk about Fat Ray/Jeffries.
The Blazers dont  
Jon in NYC : 7/25/2017 7:49 am : link
HAVE to include Leonard, fwiw. They have plenty of other salary filler to make it work.
No  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 7:49 am : link
idea the origin but smoke that Ariza has been informed he's involved and coming here.
Blazer fan on Reddit-  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 7:50 am : link
eply
[–]_Quetzalcoatlus_ 11 points 6 hours ago
Blazers fan jumping in on the top comment to let y'all know: Rice is our recently fired color announcer. He was let go because he was getting old and saying some wacky shit on TV. As far as I know, he's never broken a story before.
Maybe he's right, but I would take it with a grain of salt.
RE: The Blazers dont  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 7:52 am : link
In comment 13538039 Jon in NYC said:
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HAVE to include Leonard, fwiw. They have plenty of other salary filler to make it work.


Just saying Leonard flat sucks. Blazers fans talk about him like he's truly garbage and 38% from the field at 7'1 is tough to pull off...If you can't get burn 5 years into your career you likely aren't very good.
Sure the blazers dont have to include...  
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:55 am : link
him, but most assume they want to dump a bit more salary then just Harkless if they are going to take on Anderson. Who knows though.

Id be fine with Ariza coming here, we should 100% be able to trade him to a contender during the season. To be honest id rather trade him right away, but either way he is an asset.
if we are taking back leonard...  
Italianju : 7/25/2017 7:57 am : link
we better end up with more then Hartenstein. EIther HOU is throwing in Qi and/or POR is throwing in another asset. If we get a couple extra assets for taking leonard im ok with that. Let him sit on the bench until we need the capspace and then stretch him. But im only taking him if we are getting more youth/picks to take him.
RE: No  
nygiants16 : 7/25/2017 8:05 am : link
In comment 13538040 DanMetroMan said:
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idea the origin but smoke that Ariza has been informed he's involved and coming here.


maybe deal got completely reworked and anderson and leonard are not involved?
5:45 will be  
Enzo : 7/25/2017 8:44 am : link
here before you know it!
I am hoping  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 8:46 am : link
for a couple of these components coming to NYK:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor

Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton
I am hoping  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 8:47 am : link
for a couple of these components coming to NYK:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor

Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton
RE: Derrick Rose is officially a Cav!  
Enzo : 7/25/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13537892 bceagle05 said:
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Breathe easier, Knicks fans.

let the record show the market spoke pretty clearly on Rose's value in today's NBA. He's getting closer and closer to his destiny of leading the Chinese league in scoring. It's telling that an older player with his own lengthy injury history (George Hill) got a ton more money.
RE: I am hoping  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13538064 Pep22 said:
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for a couple of these components coming to NYK:

Isaiah Hartenstein
Troy Williams (perhaps that announced signing didn't actually occur yet)
Isaiah Taylor

Mo Harkless
Noah Vonleh
Pat Conaughton


Looks like Williams signing has happened.

"Williams signed a three-year contract extension with the Rockets on Thursday, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN reports."
Derrick Rose is weird.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 9:14 am : link
From that grotesque civil trial's reveals to no-showing work, I can't think of a worse initial impression of a player to a new city.
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