You let Jackson make the 1st round pick and he picks Frank whose main strength over other possible picks is he plays the triangle. Then you fire Jackson a few days later. You interview your top candidate to be your GM but the deal doesn't go through because you don't let him pick his own assistant. Then a few days later, you get rid of your assistant GM who was one of the reasons the other guy. Then You use most of your available salary CAP on a player a few days before you hire a GM
All these happen within a few short weeks. To me, the definition of stupidity
RE: They wanted an Asst. GM who was better at punching the ball in
Point guard.
I don't believe he was drafted only because he fit the triangle.
He is above average defender with good length and can develop into a top pg.
Read in more than a few places that Frank was more capable of playing the triangle than either Smith or Monk. Whether or not that's true is only part of the picture. If the team was going to get rid of Jackson, do it and find his replacement in time for the new guy to draft his player. Maybe it's Frank and maybe not. It's stupid to let Jackson make the pick and then fire him a few days later
News flash -- if you can play well in the triangle you can play well in any system. For that matter most NBA systems are dependent on one simple pre-exquisite-- talent. You either can or can't play.
Why was KP or Gomez drafted? Triangle? Doesn't matter.
Read in more than a few places that Frank was more capable of playing the triangle than either Smith or Monk. Whether or not that's true is only part of the picture. If the team was going to get rid of Jackson, do it and find his replacement in time for the new guy to draft his player. Maybe it's Frank and maybe not. It's stupid to let Jackson make the pick and then fire him a few days later
And we already knew this. Been discussed for three weeks now. Knicks are stupid we know. What does this move have to do with last month?
RE: RE: He was drafted 100% because he fit the triangle
You let Jackson make the 1st round pick and he picks Frank whose main strength over other possible picks is he plays the triangle.
I think this is a myth. First, I don't think he "plays the triangle," because I don't think his French teams ran the triangle. There was a report Jackson liked him because he was suitable for the triangle. But he was also a guy who could do all the normal point guard things: Shoot, penetrate, distribute, and defend.
Second, the scouting reports I read on Ntilikina were that he's got huge potential upside, but also a high chance of being a total bust. I think that's a pretty good description of any 18-year-old prospect, with the exception of generational talents like LeBron and Moses Malone. (Kobe Bryant was 13th overall pick for just that reason.)
So it wasn't a safe pick, but it was a go-for-broke pick. If Frank pans out we're all going to be looking at Phil a little differently for getting them KP and Frank. If he doesn't, then the Knicks are going to keep drafting early and will get to choose another guy.
The comment related to their moving Houston out. Apparently, Griffin did not take the job that was offered because he could not bring his own assistant in and needed to keep Houston. Now, a week later, they're moving Houston out. There's something wrong with the thinking and add that to what happened in the weeks previously, pretty stupid.
With regard to Franj, forget about the triangle. If you're going to replace Jackson, and I'm not arguing against that, its stupid to let him make the pick and then get rid of him a few days later. Equally stupid is using most all of your cap space a few days before you hire a GM.
The comment related to their moving Houston out. Apparently, Griffin did not take the job that was offered because he could not bring his own assistant in and needed to keep Houston. Now, a week later, they're moving Houston out. There's something wrong with the thinking and add that to what happened in the weeks previously, pretty stupid.
With regard to Franj, forget about the triangle. If you're going to replace Jackson, and I'm not arguing against that, its stupid to let him make the pick and then get rid of him a few days later. Equally stupid is using most all of your cap space a few days before you hire a GM.
Though Houston's replacement has ties to the Knicks which made the move palatable for Dolan. Griffin probably wanted people completely outside of the organization.
they are obviously letting Perry bring in some of his people. Maybe Griffin wanted to clean house completely, or maybe the report on that was wrong, i cant remember who reported it, but even if it was woj it could have been wrong.
RE: He was drafted because he distributes the ball
Clarence Gaines may be let go. Gaines, as you all know, is the scout who advised Jackson to draft KP and who told Jackson that KP should actually be the #1 pick. Not that I agree with that assessment. Not easy to see KP over Towns.
knock on Gaines (and credit for the KP pick) but I suspect Kevin Wilson had more to do with that pick than he's been given credit for. Gaines also advocated for Tony Wroten and Ndour and neither did squad. The Knicks haven't exactly hit on a lot of "surprising" talent during Gaines time here and the talent that they have (Kuz, Willy, KP) all are Euro's, Kuz in particular has been on the Knicks radar for.. 7 years. Not going to lose much sleep over Gaines being gone (if that's even the case).
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Derrick Rose could sign a minimum deal with the Cavaliers today.
This is the problem with the NBA. You have a cap, and then vets line up to sign on with the best teams for no money. So these great teams can add the depth that should be lacking from being so top heavy salary-wise.
Look, I hate Rose as NY's starting PG. But as your 6th man, leading the 2nd unit offense? I'd love it. The guy can still make a ton of offense out of nothing, and can be sheltered defensively against backups. And if you need him to start 25 games due to injury? That's fine.
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Derrick Rose could sign a minimum deal with the Cavaliers today.
This is the problem with the NBA. You have a cap, and then vets line up to sign on with the best teams for no money. So these great teams can add the depth that should be lacking from being so top heavy salary-wise.
Look, I hate Rose as NY's starting PG. But as your 6th man, leading the 2nd unit offense? I'd love it. The guy can still make a ton of offense out of nothing, and can be sheltered defensively against backups. And if you need him to start 25 games due to injury? That's fine.
Yup it goes beyond having a superstar. Players line up to sign with the Warriors/Cavs for prices well below what a "normal" team can sign them for. You don't see the best team in baseball getting a 4th starter for the league minimum because he "wants to win a ring". Did the new CBA close up the Deron Williams "loophole"? I forget. It's pretty annoying every season where veterans ask for buyouts to join contenders.
windbag on espn says cavs have no interest in melo
But someone named Burt Steele on twitter, who apparently legit has ties to Morey is saying the Melo deal is done and he will be a rocket by 5:45 tomorrow.
I guess they made their run at Kyrie and got nowhere.
But someone named Burt Steele on twitter, who apparently legit has ties to Morey is saying the Melo deal is done and he will be a rocket by 5:45 tomorrow.
ha. This guy Steele tweets for the first time in over 2 years and it's about Melo. No idea what his deal is, but who was even following this guy on twitter to even notice this?
But someone named Burt Steele on twitter, who apparently legit has ties to Morey is saying the Melo deal is done and he will be a rocket by 5:45 tomorrow.
he apparently has called other stuff, and he apparently gets moreys cpurtside seats at the rpckets games...
But someone named Burt Steele on twitter, who apparently legit has ties to Morey is saying the Melo deal is done and he will be a rocket by 5:45 tomorrow.
ha. This guy Steele tweets for the first time in over 2 years and it's about Melo. No idea what his deal is, but who was even following this guy on twitter to even notice this?
he apparently called the chris paul move, and a couple of football stuff with the texans
a win now piece and a future piece. I mean for the Knicks sure it makes sense because the win now piece is a guy we want to dump anyway. But why would MINN give up Wiggins+ for irving. Irving is a better player right now then wiggins and will probably end up the better player but not by some wide margin. Plus they want more then that?
I think the Knicks will take back a shitty salary from Houston
the Knicks somehow get leverage over Cleveland because landing Melo might get Lebron to commit for another season.
I think the driving force here is that Lebron thought he was gonna make the banana boat happen, and Paul got traded. In retrospect, CLE should have traded Kyrie for Paul, and Love for Melo+. Even if you dont like either deal on its face, Lebron would stick around for Melo and Paul.
I think this is going to be a very ugly year in Cleveland, though they'll still probably do very well in the playoffs.
but get back 2 first rounders. They will be late firsts of course, but it's better than nothing. That contract will blow though.
the problem with that is the entire league was asking for two firsts just to take back Anderson's deal - without including a player of Melo's caliber in return. I get it that Melo is somewhat diminished and his NTC impacts his market, but if Houston is not willing to include their 4th or 5th most valuable assets (guys like Capela or Gordon) for what will almost certainly become their 3rd best player, there's no reason to engage with them at this time.
huh? why?
OKAY Sarcasm off
All these happen within a few short weeks. To me, the definition of stupidity
Haha well played
Many analysts believe his skill set would work well in the triangle offense. But Frank has never actually played in the triangle.
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I don't believe he was drafted only because he fit the triangle.
He is above average defender with good length and can develop into a top pg.
I understand doubt and cynicism with the Knicks, but this seems like it's a positive.
To be fair, virtually EVERYONE thought Okafor was the superior choice at the time.
he was a projected top 10 player, he was not drafted just because of the triangle
Why was KP or Gomez drafted? Triangle? Doesn't matter.
And we already knew this. Been discussed for three weeks now. Knicks are stupid we know. What does this move have to do with last month?
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hopefully its another Phil Jackson mistake that works out well like when he thought Okafor was a better player than Porzingis but the 76ers saved us.
To be fair, virtually EVERYONE thought Okafor was the superior choice at the time.
Phil wanted Okafor over Towns as well and "nobody" thought he was a superior choice
Second, the scouting reports I read on Ntilikina were that he's got huge potential upside, but also a high chance of being a total bust. I think that's a pretty good description of any 18-year-old prospect, with the exception of generational talents like LeBron and Moses Malone. (Kobe Bryant was 13th overall pick for just that reason.)
So it wasn't a safe pick, but it was a go-for-broke pick. If Frank pans out we're all going to be looking at Phil a little differently for getting them KP and Frank. If he doesn't, then the Knicks are going to keep drafting early and will get to choose another guy.
Look, the Knicks cant quit Houston competently. You just have to accept it.
Remember when the NBA made the Allan Houston clause to bail out the Knicks, and they used it on Jerome Williams?
With regard to Franj, forget about the triangle. If you're going to replace Jackson, and I'm not arguing against that, its stupid to let him make the pick and then get rid of him a few days later. Equally stupid is using most all of your cap space a few days before you hire a GM.
With regard to Franj, forget about the triangle. If you're going to replace Jackson, and I'm not arguing against that, its stupid to let him make the pick and then get rid of him a few days later. Equally stupid is using most all of your cap space a few days before you hire a GM.
Though Houston's replacement has ties to the Knicks which made the move palatable for Dolan. Griffin probably wanted people completely outside of the organization.
Exactly.
I'd be absolutely stunned if Houston is "gone". Re-assigned is almost certainly what happened.
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Derrick Rose could sign a minimum deal with the Cavaliers today.
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Derrick Rose could sign a minimum deal with the Cavaliers today.
This is the problem with the NBA. You have a cap, and then vets line up to sign on with the best teams for no money. So these great teams can add the depth that should be lacking from being so top heavy salary-wise.
Look, I hate Rose as NY's starting PG. But as your 6th man, leading the 2nd unit offense? I'd love it. The guy can still make a ton of offense out of nothing, and can be sheltered defensively against backups. And if you need him to start 25 games due to injury? That's fine.
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Derrick Rose could sign a minimum deal with the Cavaliers today.
This is the problem with the NBA. You have a cap, and then vets line up to sign on with the best teams for no money. So these great teams can add the depth that should be lacking from being so top heavy salary-wise.
Look, I hate Rose as NY's starting PG. But as your 6th man, leading the 2nd unit offense? I'd love it. The guy can still make a ton of offense out of nothing, and can be sheltered defensively against backups. And if you need him to start 25 games due to injury? That's fine.
Yup it goes beyond having a superstar. Players line up to sign with the Warriors/Cavs for prices well below what a "normal" team can sign them for. You don't see the best team in baseball getting a 4th starter for the league minimum because he "wants to win a ring". Did the new CBA close up the Deron Williams "loophole"? I forget. It's pretty annoying every season where veterans ask for buyouts to join contenders.
woj says cavs want a win now piece and anotger piece for future for irving..
why would the qolves do that? they just signed teague. and does wiggins for irving really make them better?
ha. This guy Steele tweets for the first time in over 2 years and it's about Melo. No idea what his deal is, but who was even following this guy on twitter to even notice this?
he apparently has called other stuff, and he apparently gets moreys cpurtside seats at the rpckets games...
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But someone named Burt Steele on twitter, who apparently legit has ties to Morey is saying the Melo deal is done and he will be a rocket by 5:45 tomorrow.
ha. This guy Steele tweets for the first time in over 2 years and it's about Melo. No idea what his deal is, but who was even following this guy on twitter to even notice this?
he apparently called the chris paul move, and a couple of football stuff with the texans
I think the driving force here is that Lebron thought he was gonna make the banana boat happen, and Paul got traded. In retrospect, CLE should have traded Kyrie for Paul, and Love for Melo+. Even if you dont like either deal on its face, Lebron would stick around for Melo and Paul.
I think this is going to be a very ugly year in Cleveland, though they'll still probably do very well in the playoffs.
I fully expect negative pieces, in fact I think Ryan Anderson is a Knick when this happens.
the problem with that is the entire league was asking for two firsts just to take back Anderson's deal - without including a player of Melo's caliber in return. I get it that Melo is somewhat diminished and his NTC impacts his market, but if Houston is not willing to include their 4th or 5th most valuable assets (guys like Capela or Gordon) for what will almost certainly become their 3rd best player, there's no reason to engage with them at this time.