is a deal with Houston, I fear it's a total giveaway. In fact, it could be worse than that - they could end up with negative pieces.
I fully expect negative pieces, in fact I think Ryan Anderson is a Knick when this happens.
I've already begun talking myself into Anderson. It's only 3 more years! His "skill" will age well! Surround KP with shooters and he will blossom!
Watch the Knicks somehow "negotiate" themselves swap rights or some nonsense with Houston - as if we have any chance of being better than them anytime soon.
would be the greatest "Big Three" of shitty contracts in NBA history, so we'd have that going for us. But I agree, if we get enough first round picks, it's almost worth it.
would be the greatest "Big Three" of shitty contracts in NBA history, so we'd have that going for us. But I agree, if we get enough first round picks, it's almost worth it.
Unfair to group them all. Noah's contract is an abomination. Anderson is significantly overpaid. Hardaway is probably overpaid by no more than $10 million, and an argument can easily be made that he isnt overpaid at all per the market for mid-20s wings the last 2 years like Crabbe and Turner and several others (my feeling is that they were all overpaid).
In 2 offseasons it wont hurt much to stretch Noah if you need half his salary to make a trade. Hopefully, Hardaway's remaining 1+1 deal will not be toxic and may even have positive trade value if you need his $$ to sign someone.
trade Melo for expirings or if they keep him this year and he opts out, they'll have good cap room next summer. If not - and if they give KP a max deal, I don't see them having significant cap space anytime soon.
As long as they are getting more first round picks. He lines up with Noah, thomas and lee. They will all expire same time. If you take Anderson without multiple firsts or young players then it's a problem.
RE: RE: I think the Knicks will take back a shitty salary from Houston
trade Melo for expirings or if they keep him this year and he opts out, they'll have good cap room next summer. If not - and if they give KP a max deal, I don't see them having significant cap space anytime soon.
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Hey Melo, there are a plethora of other teams much closer to NY than Cle or Houston. Washington is right down the road.
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Anderson and has a p/o next year he could exercise. They can't trade their pick for a few years which sucks but I'd take back Kanter, Ferguson and fillers. Any shot they can get Adams?
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
We essentially have a better Kanter in Hernangomez
Anderson and has a p/o next year he could exercise. They can't trade their pick for a few years which sucks but I'd take back Kanter, Ferguson and fillers. Any shot they can get Adams?
No chance. Adams is a huge piece of what they do. They would be nuts to give him up for Melo. He (along with Russy) is their heart and soul.
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
forgot about Ferguson. Maybe you can spin off Kanter to a contender at some point.
I'd like to see it happen just to see Melo and Russ fight over the ball. But having Russ, Melo, PG, and Adams out there with whoever would be fun to watch.
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
forgot about Ferguson. Maybe you can spin off Kanter to a contender at some point.
I'd like to see it happen just to see Melo and Russ fight over the ball. But having Russ, Melo, PG, and Adams out there with whoever would be fun to watch.
I bet they'd have to find a third team to take Kanter. I don't think itd be that hard but who knows
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Problem with Carmelo to OKC rumors: going to need a third team because Knicks won't want Kanter. Same challenge as Rockets/Anderson.
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Problem with Carmelo to OKC rumors: going to need a third team because Knicks won't want Kanter. Same challenge as Rockets/Anderson.
One would think that Kanter is less objectionable than Anderson because the deal is cheaper by year and also shorter.
much rather Kanter just based on the contracts.....
and Ferguson isnt a bad get, at least he was a first rounder. Thing is other then him they dont really have much to offer. That said if HOU is still offering us Hartenstein and crap then id rather Ferguson and Kanter's shorter contract.
If nothing else maybe this helps get us some leverage with HOU.
he's not just a bad defender. He's so bad that he basically makes an offense. All you have to do is get his feet moving and you'll get elite points/possession.
RE: much rather Kanter just based on the contracts.....
and Ferguson isnt a bad get, at least he was a first rounder. Thing is other then him they dont really have much to offer. That said if HOU is still offering us Hartenstein and crap then id rather Ferguson and Kanter's shorter contract.
If nothing else maybe this helps get us some leverage with HOU.
They have more than Houston. Abrines shot 38% from 3, .096 WS/48 as a 23 year old rookie last year, McDermott has been disappointing but still career 39% from 3, Dakari Johnson is a legit 7 footer who impressed scouts in the d league, Jeremi Grant quietly shot 37% from 3, .098 WS/48 and Ferguson. I think their assets are "significantly" more appealing especially if Qi is a total no-go.
he's not just a bad defender. He's so bad that he basically makes an offense. All you have to do is get his feet moving and you'll get elite points/possession.
I think just by virtue of his age/one less year he's more appealing than Anderson if they are hoping to move one of them and it's not crazy to believe Kanter opts out after the season. It could go either way but there is that chance.
on the eye test in PHI-NYK games. Live body, blocks and 3s. Could round into a really nice, bigger 3&D guy. Would also eat into Lance's minutes which is a plus.
Downside of him is that he needs to get paid soon.
Maybe we'll nab Capela in this trade after all? We'd have to pay him soon, but Capela and Frank would give us the backbone of an excellent defensive team in years to come.
i guess. McDermott is not good, sure he shot 39% from 3, but that is all he does. I do like Abrines a bit and ive always liked Grant (Cuse!), but i dont expect either to turn into much. Again HOU is offering crap so of course id like Ferguson and a couple of these guys more then Hartenstein.
he's their interior D and PnR partner for the guards. The could sooner move Ariza and Gordon than Capela IMO.
In any event, if we got Capela in a trade, I'd move him to a 3rd team for futures. It would be tempting to field Capela, Frank, and KP and hope a super D emerges, but my gut tells me that Capela is not good enough to eat your cap. You get a Capela after you're capped out IMO. I think there are a bunch of teams who would move some real pieces for Capela. Maybe could get a 2016 draftee like Maker, Ingram, Brown, etc. with NY adding or getting another piece depending on the guy.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
This was probably the plan previously but I would think the team being for sale throws a wrench in it. I would think a new buyer wouldn't want to buy a team paying the luxury tax (or at least their preference is not to be)
RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
RE: RE: So OKC and HOU are fine buy POR is too far away?
Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
i don't know what to make of this. Another questionable source
i think if the knicks were going to take nderson it would be done already
I'd take it. Don't they have two other team's firsts in 2018?
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is a deal with Houston, I fear it's a total giveaway. In fact, it could be worse than that - they could end up with negative pieces.
I fully expect negative pieces, in fact I think Ryan Anderson is a Knick when this happens.
Sad thing is the Knicks cap situation is screwed the next 3 years regardless. Might as well take on Anderson with picks/assets.
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is a deal with Houston, I fear it's a total giveaway. In fact, it could be worse than that - they could end up with negative pieces.
I fully expect negative pieces, in fact I think Ryan Anderson is a Knick when this happens.
I've already begun talking myself into Anderson. It's only 3 more years! His "skill" will age well! Surround KP with shooters and he will blossom!
Watch the Knicks somehow "negotiate" themselves swap rights or some nonsense with Houston - as if we have any chance of being better than them anytime soon.
It sounds like a character from Anchorman.
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is a deal with Houston, I fear it's a total giveaway. In fact, it could be worse than that - they could end up with negative pieces.
I fully expect negative pieces, in fact I think Ryan Anderson is a Knick when this happens.
Sad thing is the Knicks cap situation is screwed the next 3 years regardless. Might as well take on Anderson with picks/assets.
really not as bad as you make it out to be..
Unfair to group them all. Noah's contract is an abomination. Anderson is significantly overpaid. Hardaway is probably overpaid by no more than $10 million, and an argument can easily be made that he isnt overpaid at all per the market for mid-20s wings the last 2 years like Crabbe and Turner and several others (my feeling is that they were all overpaid).
In 2 offseasons it wont hurt much to stretch Noah if you need half his salary to make a trade. Hopefully, Hardaway's remaining 1+1 deal will not be toxic and may even have positive trade value if you need his $$ to sign someone.
i dont really want to believe him, but he doesnt seem like the type of poster who just makes shit up to get clicks or followers...
That being said, we can get this done without Anderson. Gordon and Ariza can get the money close.
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but get back 2 first rounders. They will be late firsts of course, but it's better than nothing. That contract will blow though.
I'd take it. Don't they have two other team's firsts in 2018?
The Rockets are not owed any firsts. They owe their own pick in 2018. They can't trade their pick until 2020.
oquinn comes off this year..
lance thomas's 4th year is non guaranteed..
i think lee is easily traded if they want. to..
noah is yhe only albatross...
That being said, we can get this done without Anderson. Gordon and Ariza can get the money close.
i believe they also have non guaranteed deal left
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but get back 2 first rounders. They will be late firsts of course, but it's better than nothing. That contract will blow though.
I'd take it. Don't they have two other team's firsts in 2018?
The Rockets are not owed any firsts. They owe their own pick in 2018. They can't trade their pick until 2020.
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Still, I was surprised on Sunday evening to get a call from someone who has known Anthony personally for more than a decade. And when I asked why Portland wasnt among Anthonys preferred destinations, I didnt get a diatribe on basketball, or the rainy weather, or how he needs to know the organization can compete for a title. Instead, I got a pleasant surprise. Melos a doting father, the person said. Hes a great dad. Hes present and he loves that kid. Theres no way hes going to leave that little boy in New York and be 3,000 miles away from him. 4 hours ago via Oregonian
Hey Melo, there are a plethora of other teams much closer to NY than Cle or Houston. Washington is right down the road.
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Enes Kanter? Yay?
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
No chance. Adams is a huge piece of what they do. They would be nuts to give him up for Melo. He (along with Russy) is their heart and soul.
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have less to offer than Houston.
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
forgot about Ferguson. Maybe you can spin off Kanter to a contender at some point.
I'd like to see it happen just to see Melo and Russ fight over the ball. But having Russ, Melo, PG, and Adams out there with whoever would be fun to watch.
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
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have less to offer than Houston.
I dunno about that. Ferguson, Jeremi Grant (quietly not a bad player, only 23), Kanter's contract is more appealing than anything Houston has (+ he's still a 25 year old big with proven positive qualities), Abrines might be useful.
forgot about Ferguson. Maybe you can spin off Kanter to a contender at some point.
I'd like to see it happen just to see Melo and Russ fight over the ball. But having Russ, Melo, PG, and Adams out there with whoever would be fun to watch.
I bet they'd have to find a third team to take Kanter. I don't think itd be that hard but who knows
Problem with Carmelo to OKC rumors: going to need a third team because Knicks won't want Kanter. Same challenge as Rockets/Anderson.
Problem with Carmelo to OKC rumors: going to need a third team because Knicks won't want Kanter. Same challenge as Rockets/Anderson.
One would think that Kanter is less objectionable than Anderson because the deal is cheaper by year and also shorter.
If nothing else maybe this helps get us some leverage with HOU.
If nothing else maybe this helps get us some leverage with HOU.
They have more than Houston. Abrines shot 38% from 3, .096 WS/48 as a 23 year old rookie last year, McDermott has been disappointing but still career 39% from 3, Dakari Johnson is a legit 7 footer who impressed scouts in the d league, Jeremi Grant quietly shot 37% from 3, .098 WS/48 and Ferguson. I think their assets are "significantly" more appealing especially if Qi is a total no-go.
I think just by virtue of his age/one less year he's more appealing than Anderson if they are hoping to move one of them and it's not crazy to believe Kanter opts out after the season. It could go either way but there is that chance.
Downside of him is that he needs to get paid soon.
In any event, if we got Capela in a trade, I'd move him to a 3rd team for futures. It would be tempting to field Capela, Frank, and KP and hope a super D emerges, but my gut tells me that Capela is not good enough to eat your cap. You get a Capela after you're capped out IMO. I think there are a bunch of teams who would move some real pieces for Capela. Maybe could get a 2016 draftee like Maker, Ingram, Brown, etc. with NY adding or getting another piece depending on the guy.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
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but get him away from Dantoni and I think his production takes a dip. Will be interesting to see how Morey handles his next contract. Do they pay him or do they look for a random cheaper young/bouncy big to fill the role.
I think they're at the stage where you cant manage the cap anyway, so they're gonna pay Capela. But maybe he doesnt need the max.
This was probably the plan previously but I would think the team being for sale throws a wrench in it. I would think a new buyer wouldn't want to buy a team paying the luxury tax (or at least their preference is not to be)
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
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Doesnt make a lot of sense to me. 3.5 hours is far away. There is no "drop in" 3.5 hour flight (each way).
I dont begrudge a guy for not wanting to be away from his kid. But the POR vs. HOU thing seems like BS to me. He's willing to go to HOU to play with Paul, not because it is near his kid. If he was pushing CLE, BOS, BK, PHI, WAS I'd buy that a bit more -- those are places where you can get to NY fast.
Seattle and portland are pretty much the end of the world, to be fair. OKC and Houston are quite literally half the distance.
Flying it is 3.5 hours vs. 5 hours. Add in travel time to/from airport and waiting around pre/post flight and it's more like 5.5 vs. 7.
It's not a very big difference. If his kid stays in NY, how many times more would he see his kid as a Rocket vs. as a Trailblazer?
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