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NFT: Game of Thrones S7 E2: Stormborn - Open spoiler thread

Big Blue Blogger : 7/23/2017 1:45 pm
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Daenerys has a surprise visitor; Jon faces a revolt; Tyrion draws up plans to conquer Westeros.
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Daenerys receives an unexpected visitor. Jon faces a revolt. Sam risks his career and life. Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros.

Quickly unpacking the official plot summary:
1) Daenerys has a surprise visitor.
Previews have made it pretty clear that the surprise visitor is Melisandre.

2) Jon faces a revolt.
Not much mystery here either. Yohn Royce objects to Jon treating with Dany, no matter how badly the North needs dragonglass (not to mention dragons). So Jon faces yet another mutiny, which serves as a backdrop for Baelish's ongoing efforts to manipulate Sansa.

3) Sam risks his career and life.
Sam takes a short break from saving the world to cure Jorah's greyscale. Alternate theory: Professor Slughorn Archmaester Ebrose catches him in the restricted stacks of the Hogwarts Citadel library.

4) Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros
That's quite a team around the Painted Table, as the Greyjoys and Sands join Team Dany. But what is Tyrion's strategy? He knows better than anyone the dangers of a frontal assault down Blackwater Bay. Will he strike first in the West, as some keen-eyed observers have suggested?

Any other predictions? Does Euron bring Cersei her engagement gift yet? Does a reunion with Nymeria change Arya's path?

One additional thought on #3: The Sam/Jorah plot is either a bit of serendipity for the showrunners or an impressive piece of advance plotting by Martin - maybe a bit of both. Unlike the stupidly improbable chance meeting between Jorah and Tyrion, the groundwork for this hookup has been inthe works for years. Traly and Mormont both have excellent reasons for being at the Citadel, on "missions" from their respective commanders. There is already much to bind them: Sam knew Jorah's father well, he has experience with curable greyscale (Shireen), and they are both disgraced scions of noble houses - albeit from opposite ends of Westeros's west coast. They have also both seen wonders that most men would dismiss as myth, and are among the most faithful followers of two rulers destined to join forces.

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Everyone dies  
spike : 7/25/2017 12:28 pm : link
Except Sansa who becomes queen
RE: Everyone dies  
Motley Two : 7/25/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13538382 spike said:
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Except Sansa who becomes queen


Probably.
Thoughts on Bran's storyline  
NYG27 : 7/25/2017 12:37 pm : link
Everyone expects him to head back home to Winterfell and have a reunion with Sansa and Jon. Although as the new 3 Eyed Raven, I think his duty will be to stay at the wall and help the Knights Watch and Wildlings prepare for their defense against the Night King.

I got a feeling, when the Wall comes down, Bran will be there somehow.
Yeah...  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2017 12:41 pm : link
Bran isn't going back to Winterfell. He's the three-eyed raven...
There was a preview shot  
beatrixkiddo : 7/25/2017 12:59 pm : link
of Bran sitting in front of the Weirwood at Winterfell though. I think he makes it back and is reunited with Arya and Sansa at the very least. He could through a wrench into any plans Littlefinger may have scheme wise, as Bran could easily foil the plot Littlefinger played in his assassination attempt. Should be interesting.

I think Brans story line is obviously going to take a step forward more so next season when the WW arive, they will likely set that in place before this season is over, obviously he still needs to reveal to Jon who he really is, which is big news, and who knows how it will be received.
Did Bran mess up the Wall's mojo by crossing the gate...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/25/2017 1:06 pm : link
...like he did with the Raven's cave? Doesn't he bear some sort of Mark of the Great Other that negates defenses against the Dark Arts? Or am I confusing him with Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins, and other plucky young heroes who share mysterious bonds with their evil nemeses?
RE: Did Bran mess up the Wall's mojo by crossing the gate...  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13538462 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...like he did with the Raven's cave? Doesn't he bear some sort of Mark of the Great Other that negates defenses against the Dark Arts? Or am I confusing him with Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins, and other plucky young heroes who share mysterious bonds with their evil nemeses?


the Night King marked Bran during a vision and allegedly (according to the then three-eyed raven) it meant they will come for him and it also meant their safe space was no longer safe from the Night King and the White Walkers and it led to Summer's death and Hodor's death.
Bran is absolutley going back to Winterfell  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 1:20 pm : link
they have beaten us over the head for 6 seasons with images of the large wierwood tree in the Winterfell Godswood. This will be Bran's "base of operations"

If he were to stay at Castle Black, he would have to take a short trip North of the wall each day to "plug into" a wierwood (the one Jon and Sam swore their oaths at). This would obviously be pretty dangerous once the Walkers start to approach.

It make much better sense for him to see and advise from behind the scenes back at Winterfell. When he gets there I bet he will put to rest any questions about whether he should be the rightfull "King in the North" by birthright. Bran has been there done that and it didn't turn out very well for him. He'd much rather be the 3-eyed raven and leave the ruling to Sansa or Jon.
Some sharp-eyed  
PEEJ : 7/25/2017 1:20 pm : link
viewer noticed that the sea coast close to Eastwatch was frozen (in the opening credits). The Wall may not have to come down before the invasion of WWs
RE: Did Bran mess up the Wall's mojo by crossing the gate...  
NYG27 : 7/25/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13538462 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...like he did with the Raven's cave? Doesn't he bear some sort of Mark of the Great Other that negates defenses against the Dark Arts? Or am I confusing him with Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins, and other plucky young heroes who share mysterious bonds with their evil nemeses?


With the Night King's mark on Bran's arm, that breaks any magic that kept the White Walkers at bay. So once Bran crossed the Wall, the Night King should now be able to take down the Wall.
There are more than one of those trees  
Motley Two : 7/25/2017 1:36 pm : link
both north & south of the wall.
RE: Some sharp-eyed  
GMenLTS : 7/25/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13538490 PEEJ said:
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viewer noticed that the sea coast close to Eastwatch was frozen (in the opening credits). The Wall may not have to come down before the invasion of WWs


Yea buzzfeed picked up on this and also referenced the hound describing what he sees in the fire
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RE: Some sharp-eyed  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13538490 PEEJ said:
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viewer noticed that the sea coast close to Eastwatch was frozen (in the opening credits). The Wall may not have to come down before the invasion of WWs


I accidently saw something similar while reading a recapp for the 1st episode this season. It may be a spoiler so I will post below in white text.

Apparently a line was cut from The Hound's fireside monolouge. The full, uncut speech was

"Ice. A wall of ice. The Wall. It’s where the Wall meets the sea. THE WAVES ARE FROZEN There’s a castle there. There’s a mountain. Looks like an arrowhead. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."

If this is accurate, it seems the Walkers will be marching around the wall. I wonder if the mountain that looks like an arrowhead is actually a ship frozen in the bay.
If Bran  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 1:47 pm : link
goes to Winterfell wouldn't he be leading the Night King's army of wights and white walkers right to what remains of his family?

Unless he can somehow add value to the story (like maybe revisit tower of joy or shed light on Jon Snow's true identity) he should probably embed himself in a weirwood tree somewhere and live out his days like the prior three-eyed raven.

He's already indirectly responsible for so many deaths, and I have yet to see his purpose.

He can warg, he's a green seer, but to what purpose?

any theories?
it isn't a spoiler  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2017 1:49 pm : link
it was given to us in the intro.
RE: Bran is absolutley going back to Winterfell  
Chris in Philly : 7/25/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13538489 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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they have beaten us over the head for 6 seasons with images of the large wierwood tree in the Winterfell Godswood. This will be Bran's "base of operations"

If he were to stay at Castle Black, he would have to take a short trip North of the wall each day to "plug into" a wierwood (the one Jon and Sam swore their oaths at). This would obviously be pretty dangerous once the Walkers start to approach.

I mean he isn't going back to be Lord of WInterfell and having cookouts with his siblings. He's got bigger items on his agenda...

It make much better sense for him to see and advise from behind the scenes back at Winterfell. When he gets there I bet he will put to rest any questions about whether he should be the rightfull "King in the North" by birthright. Bran has been there done that and it didn't turn out very well for him. He'd much rather be the 3-eyed raven and leave the ruling to Sansa or Jon.
i have a feeling Bran will hold off the walkers  
GMAN4LIFE : 7/25/2017 1:55 pm : link
only to sacrifice himself while letting Jon Snow know his destiny
I've never been able to wrap my mind around Bran's purpose.  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 1:56 pm : link
After the shit he pulled with Hodor, anything is possible. Is he the Night King? Will he warg into one of the dragons? Expect the unexpected with him. No way Jojen and Bloodraven would obsess over him so much unless he was crucial.

I remember the showrunners being interviewed after the Hodor/Hold The Door episode last season, and they said they were blown away when George RR Martin told them the Hodor origin, and were blown away by another shocking discovery later in the story. I'm guessing the next one has to do with Bran.
pjcas18: Getting a little rough on Bran there.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/25/2017 2:02 pm : link
pjcas18 said:
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He's already indirectly responsible for so many deaths, and I have yet to see his purpose.

Seems kind of harsh to blame him for all the deaths that ensued from him climbing that tower, or failing to antipicate Theon's treachery after Robb left him in charge. Bran has mostly been a victim, at least by GoT standards.
RE: pjcas18: Getting a little rough on Bran there.  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13538538 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He's already indirectly responsible for so many deaths, and I have yet to see his purpose.


Seems kind of harsh to blame him for all the deaths that ensued from him climbing that tower, or failing to antipicate Theon's treachery after Robb left him in charge. Bran has mostly been a victim, at least by GoT standards.


I meant Hodor, Jojen, Summer, the children of the forest who were killed because of him, the prior 3-eyed Raven (or crow), etc. on his journey people who died specifically to protect Bran while on this quest or because of him, that at some point might click and have readers/watchers say ahh now I get it, but today I don't see the end game that was worth those lives and more.

To me Bran's story is more mysterious than anyone's, he's got a unique set of skills with warging and green seeing, but how does he use them to help the 7 kingdoms.

Cam Bran be the "builder" like his ancestor or even the uniter or is he less important.
Bran only went north  
giants#1 : 7/25/2017 2:22 pm : link
because of Jojen and (IIRC) Jojen knew it was basically a one-way trip for him.
RE: Bran only went north  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13538558 giants#1 said:
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because of Jojen and (IIRC) Jojen knew it was basically a one-way trip for him.


Yeah, the three-eyed Raven said Jojen knew his fate, but again, my point is how does it end?

I realize that's kind of the point, not to know the end, but with a lot of people in the show you can sort of guess or have theories, but Bran is a mystery. to me.
I'd guess Bran plays  
giants#1 : 7/25/2017 2:37 pm : link
a large role in stopping the WW. I'm sure he'll warg into some creatures during a major battle (or two) with them, but maybe he also finds some 'knowledge' within the trees that helps turn the tide of the war.
I agree Bran is a big mystery  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 3:02 pm : link
His story is so different from anyone else's. Plus he doesn't get much screen time anyway.

What's kind of interestiong about him is Bran seems to have a very mischevious and curious personality. He's not afraid to "break the rules" in order to save himself and friends or to serve his own curiosity. Even in episode 1 he would climb everywhere and spy on everyone. Obviously that has gotten him to alot of touble, but it also got him out of some jams (warging into humans is probably a no-no, but Locke would have killed him if he didn't take over Hodor).

Yet, he has been very passive in his own story. Even when he does get to make a decision, he doesn't really have much choice in the matter. Breaking the rules is the only thing Bran gets to do that isn't ordered or persuaded by Robb, or Maester Luewin, or Osha, or Jojen or the 3-eyed Raven.

One thing that doesn't make sense  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 3:14 pm : link
to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?

RE: One thing that doesn't make sense  
Kevin in Annapolis : 7/25/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13538649 pjcas18 said:
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to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?


IIRC being a green seer and a warg is what makes Bran special, even when compared to the previous 2 eyed raven.
Bran  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 7/25/2017 3:57 pm : link
I think Bran makes a pit stop at Winterfell before continuing on to The Isle of Faces inside the God's Eye. I'll continue in white text since I'm not sure how much of this is book stuff and how much was on the show.

There are a few chapters in the books that talk about the Isle of Faces and many people think that some of the green men still live there. It's an island made up almost entirely of weirwood trees, I believe. Bran has expressed interest in going there and Howland Reed supposedly spent a few months there with the green men before the Tournament at Harrenhal. What better place for Bran the Three Eyed Raven than an entire island of weirwoods and children of the forest?
RE: RE: One thing that doesn't make sense  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13538685 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?




IIRC being a green seer and a warg is what makes Bran special, even when compared to the previous 2 eyed raven.


I kind of got the sense that Bran could warg into things other people couldn't, like Direwolves and of course humans.

Maybe what makes him special is he can eventually warg into the wights, stopping the army of the dead or turning them on the Walkers. Either that or he will warg into a dragon, but I don't see how that is special if someone could just ride one.
It'd be cool if he warged into the Night King  
GiantsLaw : 7/25/2017 4:11 pm : link
and reminded him of his humanity, just before he offs humanity.
Bran  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 7/25/2017 4:22 pm : link
I think what makes Bran special is probably his ability to actually interact with things in the past rather than just watch them when he's in a vision. Like when Ned hears him outside the Tower of Joy or when he causes Hodor's mental breakdown.
RE: Bran  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13538727 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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I think what makes Bran special is probably his ability to actually interact with things in the past rather than just watch them when he's in a vision. Like when Ned hears him outside the Tower of Joy or when he causes Hodor's mental breakdown.


The three-eyed raven warned him not to though.
RE: RE: RE: One thing that doesn't make sense  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2017 4:25 pm : link
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to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?




IIRC being a green seer and a warg is what makes Bran special, even when compared to the previous 2 eyed raven.



I kind of got the sense that Bran could warg into things other people couldn't, like Direwolves and of course humans.

Maybe what makes him special is he can eventually warg into the wights, stopping the army of the dead or turning them on the Walkers. Either that or he will warg into a dragon, but I don't see how that is special if someone could just ride one.


One of the wildlings warged into the hawk that found Qhorin Halfhand so it isn't exclusive to Bran.
RE: RE: RE: RE: One thing that doesn't make sense  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 4:30 pm : link
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to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?




IIRC being a green seer and a warg is what makes Bran special, even when compared to the previous 2 eyed raven.



I kind of got the sense that Bran could warg into things other people couldn't, like Direwolves and of course humans.

Maybe what makes him special is he can eventually warg into the wights, stopping the army of the dead or turning them on the Walkers. Either that or he will warg into a dragon, but I don't see how that is special if someone could just ride one.



One of the wildlings warged into the hawk that found Qhorin Halfhand so it isn't exclusive to Bran.


No one has warged into a Hodor, (or any other human) before
Do both Bran and Night King have the same abilities???  
NYG27 : 7/25/2017 4:30 pm : link
It would explain how the Night King had the ability of green sight and was able to see Bran in Bran's vision and place a marker on his arm.

Plus the way he animates the dead, could be an advanced for of warging. Instead of warging into an animal or human like Bran has done, maybe the Night King can warg into the dead.

Plus in that flash back scene with the children, they captured one of the "First Men" and turned him into a White Walker by putting dragon glass through his chest. Wasn't it also mentioned that the Stark family line directly linked to the First Men thousands of years ago? Maybe the Night King and Bran have similar abilities because they are from the same bloodline (separated by a thousand years) which also explains how rare this ability is and why both Bran and the Night King are special.
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UConn4523 : 7/25/2017 4:35 pm : link
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to me is why couldn't the other three-eyed Raven do anything to stop the Night King's army but Bran people suspect can?

Because he can warg? and the prior three-eyed Raven was "just" a green seer?




IIRC being a green seer and a warg is what makes Bran special, even when compared to the previous 2 eyed raven.



I kind of got the sense that Bran could warg into things other people couldn't, like Direwolves and of course humans.

Maybe what makes him special is he can eventually warg into the wights, stopping the army of the dead or turning them on the Walkers. Either that or he will warg into a dragon, but I don't see how that is special if someone could just ride one.



One of the wildlings warged into the hawk that found Qhorin Halfhand so it isn't exclusive to Bran.



No one has warged into a Hodor, (or any other human) before


Right, humans I can see but direwolves might be different since we've seen it already with an Eagle. But the 1 human it happened to was Hodor and his mind was "simple". Curious to see if Bran has free reign on that power or not.
This is all deeper than  
pjcas18 : 7/25/2017 4:38 pm : link
my memory goes but I thought it was the Children of the Forest who somehow created the White Walkers to protect them from the First Men.

The White Walkers then turned on the Children of the Forest and became their enemies (and enemies of everyone).

there was a huge battle, all of Westeros came together, defeated the White Walkers and their wights and built the wall and created the Night's Watch.

which covers thousands of years but is sort of where we are now, those at Hadrhome and survived know the terror (like Jon Snow, Samwell, etc.), those who weren't there don't believe it exists and are willfully ignorant.

Jojen was blown away by Bran's ability to warg into humans.  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 4:38 pm : link
And Jojen's no slouch himself when it comes to such tricks.
RE: Do both Bran and Night King have the same abilities???  
NYG27 : 7/25/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13538738 NYG27 said:
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It would explain how the Night King had the ability of green sight and was able to see Bran in Bran's vision and place a marker on his arm.

Plus the way he animates the dead, could be an advanced for of warging. Instead of warging into an animal or human like Bran has done, maybe the Night King can warg into the dead.

Plus in that flash back scene with the children, they captured one of the "First Men" and turned him into a White Walker by putting dragon glass through his chest. Wasn't it also mentioned that the Stark family line directly linked to the First Men thousands of years ago? Maybe the Night King and Bran have similar abilities because they are from the same bloodline (separated by a thousand years) which also explains how rare this ability is and why both Bran and the Night King are special.


Plus the way the Night King turned babies into White Walkers, maybe that is an advance form of warging that is transferred by touch. Maybe it's hard to do that to humans as they get older, which is why he preferred Craster's baby son's that were born. Easier to covert them by touch if their mind is as blank as a babies.

Speaking of which, how did Craster and the Night King first originally come to this agreement, does the Night King talk and we just haven't seen it yet?
RE: Jojen was blown away by Bran's ability to warg into humans.  
UConn4523 : 7/25/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13538748 bceagle05 said:
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And Jojen's no slouch himself when it comes to such tricks.


My only question is how far can Bran take it. He warged a human with the mental capacity of a small child which could come into play. I kind of feel like Bran being able to warg anyone will really cheapen the conclusion of the series. I hope there are limitations and warging a human like Hodor was a one time thing.
RE: RE: Jojen was blown away by Bran's ability to warg into humans.  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/25/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13538753 UConn4523 said:
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And Jojen's no slouch himself when it comes to such tricks.



My only question is how far can Bran take it. He warged a human with the mental capacity of a small child which could come into play. I kind of feel like Bran being able to warg anyone will really cheapen the conclusion of the series. I hope there are limitations and warging a human like Hodor was a one time thing.


Yeah, entering an adult mind and controlling it, is really the entering creepy and kind of evil zone. Depending on how they do it, it could be fun. I don't like to think Bran is capable of that.

I still predict Bran comes face to face with "zombie Hodor" next season and as a last ditch effort to save himself, he successfully wargs into 'Zomdor', giving him the idea he can do it to any zombie wight.
Book info in white below  
Kevin in Annapolis : 7/26/2017 8:31 am : link
There was another warg that warged an adult human in the books. It was considered forbidden and the character only did it as a last resort (he was dying).
The woman he warged into fought back inside her mind.
It was weird.
Kevin  
UConn4523 : 7/26/2017 8:43 am : link
that's essentially what I am talking about. Pretty cool way to introduce it in the books, and its likely foreshadowing. Will be interesting to see how its used in the show.
Question for the book readers..  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/26/2017 10:27 am : link
How much older was Rob and Jon than Sansa? Rob was concieved on Ned and Cat's wedding day which took place in the middle of the war, correct? Did Caitlyn wait at Riverrun until Ned came back? Is it possible they concieved Sansa immediatly after he returned, before heading to Winterfell? Was Baelish still there in Riverrun with Cat throughout the war?

What I'm getting at is, is it at all possible Littlefinger is actually Sansa's father? And that, knowing the war was over and he would lose Caitlyn forever, Baelish finally managed to seduce her just before Ned returned?

It was just a bit weird, the way he told Jon "I love Sansa. I loved her mother". I know he kissed Sansa back in season 4, but Baelish is a creepy dude anyway. Also, could the reason Cat hated Jon so much was that he actually reminded her of her own infedelity as well as the possibility Sansa wasn't Ned's?
That's too muh math for me  
Bill L : 7/26/2017 10:36 am : link
but I wouldn't put that much stock in calculating based on ages and times. I'm pretty sure that I read that they increased the ages of all the Stark children (and maybe Dany) when they translated them from book to show because Martin is more than a little creepy.
RE: Question for the book readers..  
Kevin in Annapolis : 7/26/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13539223 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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What I'm getting at is, is it at all possible Littlefinger is actually Sansa's father? And that, knowing the war was over and he would lose Caitlyn forever, Baelish finally managed to seduce her just before Ned returned?


Interesting theory. I checked the wiki. The war ended in 283 AC, Sansa was born in 286 AC, so was either conceived in 285 or 286. It is doubtful that they would have been at Riverrun then. Also, Little finger was banished from Riverrun in 828 AC.
RE: Question for the book readers..  
Chris in Philly : 7/26/2017 10:52 am : link
In comment 13539223 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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How much older was Rob and Jon than Sansa? Rob was concieved on Ned and Cat's wedding day which took place in the middle of the war, correct? Did Caitlyn wait at Riverrun until Ned came back? Is it possible they concieved Sansa immediatly after he returned, before heading to Winterfell? Was Baelish still there in Riverrun with Cat throughout the war?

What I'm getting at is, is it at all possible Littlefinger is actually Sansa's father? And that, knowing the war was over and he would lose Caitlyn forever, Baelish finally managed to seduce her just before Ned returned?

It was just a bit weird, the way he told Jon "I love Sansa. I loved her mother". I know he kissed Sansa back in season 4, but Baelish is a creepy dude anyway. Also, could the reason Cat hated Jon so much was that he actually reminded her of her own infedelity as well as the possibility Sansa wasn't Ned's?


In the books, they are bout 3 years older than Sansa...
And I am not buying...  
Chris in Philly : 7/26/2017 10:53 am : link
for a second that Cat was seduced by Littlefinger...
Thanks guys  
Pete in 'Vliet : 7/26/2017 11:11 am : link
I knew it wasn't much of a theory. I guess there isn't any deep layers to Littlefinger. He's just a narcissistic creep.
RE: Thanks guys  
Chris in Philly : 7/26/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13539293 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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I knew it wasn't much of a theory. I guess there isn't any deep layers to Littlefinger. He's just a narcissistic creep.


I think he is a skilled player of "the game". But Cat was never very fond of him in that way...
Should have said  
Kevin in Annapolis : 7/26/2017 11:13 am : link
Little finger was banished from Riverrun in 282 AC.
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