Original synopsis:
| Daenerys has a surprise visitor; Jon faces a revolt; Tyrion draws up plans to conquer Westeros. |
Revised synopsis:
| Daenerys receives an unexpected visitor. Jon faces a revolt. Sam risks his career and life. Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros. |
Quickly unpacking the official plot summary:
1)
Daenerys has a surprise visitor.
Previews have made it pretty clear that the surprise visitor is Melisandre.
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Jon faces a revolt.
Not much mystery here either. Yohn Royce objects to Jon treating with Dany, no matter how badly the North needs dragonglass (not to mention dragons). So Jon faces yet another mutiny, which serves as a backdrop for Baelish's ongoing efforts to manipulate Sansa.
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Sam risks his career and life.
Sam takes a short break from saving the world to cure Jorah's greyscale. Alternate theory:
Professor Slughorn Archmaester Ebrose catches him in the restricted stacks of the
Hogwarts Citadel library.
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Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros
That's quite a team around the Painted Table, as the Greyjoys and Sands join Team Dany. But what is Tyrion's strategy? He knows better than anyone the dangers of a frontal assault down Blackwater Bay. Will he strike first in the West, as some keen-eyed observers have suggested?
Any other predictions? Does Euron bring Cersei her engagement gift yet? Does a reunion with Nymeria change Arya's path?
One additional thought on #3: The Sam/Jorah plot is either a bit of serendipity for the showrunners or an impressive piece of advance plotting by Martin - maybe a bit of both. Unlike the stupidly improbable chance meeting between Jorah and Tyrion, the groundwork for this hookup has been inthe works for years. Traly and Mormont both have excellent reasons for being at the Citadel, on "missions" from their respective commanders. There is already much to bind them: Sam knew Jorah's father well, he has experience with curable greyscale (Shireen), and they are both disgraced scions of noble houses - albeit from opposite ends of Westeros's west coast. They have also both seen wonders that most men would dismiss as myth, and are among the most faithful followers of two rulers destined to join forces.
I think that too , almost sacrifice for the greater good. Could be what puts him over the top to become a stronger warrior. I assume it will be Theon helping Jon Stark beat Euron
-Davos is going to be pretty pissed off when he shows up to Dragonstone to find Mellisadre chilling in her old pad. Also is Greyworm in Shireen's old room?
-It makes since that Hotpie would know more about Westeros than Arya. Arya has just returned and apparently has had blinders on until she finished dealing with the Freys. Meanwhile Hotpie is a very "gossipy" person and works at the center for all Westerosi travel.
-I'm probably looking too mush into the Direwolf/Stark symbolism with Nymeria, but it seemed to me Arya's wolf turning away tells alot about Arya's inner identity as a Stark. We will see soon enough, if she does continue to Winterfell I'm probably wrong. It would be great to see Ned's 3 remaining children reunite. But I still have this feeling that Nymeria's rejection will make Arya once again, change course back to Kings Landing.
-The girl who plays Missandie is still gorgeous.
-On a simmilar note, I'm gald the hotter one of the Sand Snakes survived, but why wouldn't they kill her? Yara and Ellyria are valuable hostages - Tyene, no so much.
-I know Theon jumped overboard because of fear, but it was also his smartest move. Now he actually has a better chance of saving his sister, with Dany's help, then if he charged and was slaughtered there on the ship.
I think given what happened to Septa Unella, we could be in for some ugly scenes. Cercei has zombie Mountain, Qyburn, and a bunch of savage pirates at her disposal in choosing a fate for the people responsible for Myracella's death. Will Cercei show restraint and hold the two of them safely hostage in exchange for Dorne's non-participation? Or will she forgo the better overall strategy and give in to her baser instincts? The latter is more consistent with Cercei's character to date. It's no coincidence that Ellaria Sand murdered Cercei's only daughter and will be there to witness her last remaining daughter's fate.
In other words, unless Qyburn plans a saturation strike, his plan is utterly stupid. Which means - Qyburn being Qyburn - it will almost certainly work.
Thought the same thing. Gregworm is going down.
The Euron situation with knowing which ship is Yaras is pretty simple, Yaras ship is different as is all other ships in her fleet. Him being able to spot the Captain of the Iron Fleets ship is no shock. I do not know if they will delve into it in the show but Euron has hostage many wizards, warlocks etc as well as various "magical" relics. He has way more tricks up his sleeve then has been seen. I guess they just mashed up Eurons chacter and his brother Victarion and put them into one. Victarion is more the captain of the Iron Fleet and Warrior (jumping from ship to ship in full plate weilding axe's) where Euron is more the sit back and scheme/call the shots type.
The Nymeria scene to me was Arya recgonizing that Nymeria is now Wild with a family or pack of her own. Her connection to the direwolf is dim at this point. Maybe it's foreshadowing to when she finally meets her family at Winterfel... her differing opinions/way of life may lead her back to being the lone wolf that she is.
Really not digging Sansa at all, never have and quite frankly never will. Too loud a mouth on a girl who has literally done nothing.
Where the hell is Bran? He was at the wall and not even a Raven gets sent to Winterfel letting Jon know his brother is there? Okay no Maester up there to send a bird, so send a man on a horse.
Did Sansa reveal the whole history? I'd be surprised if Jon Snow didn't hang Littlefinger if he knew he "sold" her to the Bolton's.
I don't remember the two (Jon Snow and Baelish) ever really interacting with each other until season 6 and the battle of the bastards and littlefinger is right, without him, Jon Snow likely loses.
the comment about loving Sansa like he did Catelyn, I didn't take to mean romantically, is that how littlefinger meant it and Jon took it?
Is that forced hate to set up plot or does Jon likely know how evil Littlefinger is and if he does, why is he roaming around free to continue to manipulate/play the game?
In Martin's version, he marries a plump, dimwitted noblewoman and retires to an estate in the Reach.
Any guesses?
Is Riverrun back to edmure's control now that the freys are gone?
Did Sansa reveal the whole history? I'd be surprised if Jon Snow didn't hang Littlefinger if he knew he "sold" her to the Bolton's.
I don't remember the two (Jon Snow and Baelish) ever really interacting with each other until season 6 and the battle of the bastards and littlefinger is right, without him, Jon Snow likely loses.
the comment about loving Sansa like he did Catelyn, I didn't take to mean romantically, is that how littlefinger meant it and Jon took it?
Is that forced hate to set up plot or does Jon likely know how evil Littlefinger is and if he does, why is he roaming around free to continue to manipulate/play the game?
If Jon knew the role Littlefinger played in Ned's death, Littlefinger would've been beheaded already.
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His time on GOT is over
Thought the same thing. Gregworm is going down.
pun intended?
Good thinking on that one
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all know Littlefinger is conniving and set up Ned's death pretty much, but how does Jon Snow know and what makes him hate littlefinger so much?
Did Sansa reveal the whole history? I'd be surprised if Jon Snow didn't hang Littlefinger if he knew he "sold" her to the Bolton's.
I don't remember the two (Jon Snow and Baelish) ever really interacting with each other until season 6 and the battle of the bastards and littlefinger is right, without him, Jon Snow likely loses.
the comment about loving Sansa like he did Catelyn, I didn't take to mean romantically, is that how littlefinger meant it and Jon took it?
Is that forced hate to set up plot or does Jon likely know how evil Littlefinger is and if he does, why is he roaming around free to continue to manipulate/play the game?
If Jon knew the role Littlefinger played in Ned's death, Littlefinger would've been beheaded already.
Agree, so why does he hate him so much, after littlefinger literally saved the north.
Weird development for Westeros's former #1 schemer.
I did like the rest, overall.
Agree, so why does he hate him so much, after littlefinger literally saved the north.
The Knights of the Vale saved the North. I suspect that is how Jon sees it. Jon is probably grateful to Royce.
Weird development for Westeros's former #1 schemer.
He has nothing to do now that he has the Vale. Just in the back of the room smirking all the time
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Agree, so why does he hate him so much, after littlefinger literally saved the north.
The Knights of the Vale saved the North. I suspect that is how Jon sees it. Jon is probably grateful to Royce.
technically Robin Arryn then right?, but we all know it was Littlefinger who got the raven from Sansa and brought the troops, even if he wasn't in the actual battle he made it happen, I doubt Jon Snow looks beyond that. Though maybe so.
Weird development for Westeros's former #1 schemer.
If there were more than ~10 episodes left, it would lead you to think he has a longer scheme in play. He knows Jon Snow doesn't like/trust him and needs to either build that trust or remove Jon so he can try to manipulate Sansa. And in the meantime, staying in the North is probably the smart play with Dany-Cersei going head-to-head.
Of course, Littlefinger also likely knew nothing of the Wights
I thought it was the opposite, kind of a "...this is all working out perfectly..."
Jon leaves to go and meet Dany personally, he's got Sansa and Winterfell to himself (pretty much) and he's going to make his move.
Why would Jon say "you don't belong down here" at Ned's tomb if he didn't know anything about Littlefinger setting up Ned?
Anyway, minor point that I'm sure I'm missing, it just seems like Jon should know more about how evil Littlefinger is and his history to hate him this much.
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when Jon broke the news of Dany, Tyrion and the dragons arriving at Dragonstone? It was an "oh fuck, there goes my plans" sort of half smile.
I thought it was the opposite, kind of a "...this is all working out perfectly..."
Jon leaves to go and meet Dany personally, he's got Sansa and Winterfell to himself (pretty much) and he's going to make his move.
Why would Jon say "you don't belong down here" at Ned's tomb if he didn't know anything about Littlefinger setting up Ned?
Anyway, minor point that I'm sure I'm missing, it just seems like Jon should know more about how evil Littlefinger is and his history to hate him this much.
Only Starks traditionally enter the tombs? Or maybe he knows Littlefinger's history with Cat?
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when Jon broke the news of Dany, Tyrion and the dragons arriving at Dragonstone? It was an "oh fuck, there goes my plans" sort of half smile.
I thought it was the opposite, kind of a "...this is all working out perfectly..."
Jon leaves to go and meet Dany personally, he's got Sansa and Winterfell to himself (pretty much) and he's going to make his move.
Why would Jon say "you don't belong down here" at Ned's tomb if he didn't know anything about Littlefinger setting up Ned?
Anyway, minor point that I'm sure I'm missing, it just seems like Jon should know more about how evil Littlefinger is and his history to hate him this much.
Only Starks traditionally enter the tombs? Or maybe he knows Littlefinger's history with Cat?
King Robert entered the crypt. So maybe you need to be accompanied or maybe it was just Jon hating on Tommy Carcetti.
As for Edmure, I think he's at Casterly Rock with his wife and son. That was Jaime's promise as part of Edmure's surrender, and there's no reason to think he broke it.
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when Jon broke the news of Dany, Tyrion and the dragons arriving at Dragonstone? It was an "oh fuck, there goes my plans" sort of half smile.
I thought it was the opposite, kind of a "...this is all working out perfectly..."
Jon leaves to go and meet Dany personally, he's got Sansa and Winterfell to himself (pretty much) and he's going to make his move.
Why would Jon say "you don't belong down here" at Ned's tomb if he didn't know anything about Littlefinger setting up Ned?
Anyway, minor point that I'm sure I'm missing, it just seems like Jon should know more about how evil Littlefinger is and his history to hate him this much.
I have a feeling the Sana's interaction with Jon last week will play into Jon's way of dealing with littlefinger. My prediction is Jon allows Littlefinger to help him but then betrays him just like how he betrayed Ned. it will be glorious
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when Jon broke the news of Dany, Tyrion and the dragons arriving at Dragonstone? It was an "oh fuck, there goes my plans" sort of half smile.
I thought it was the opposite, kind of a "...this is all working out perfectly..."
Jon leaves to go and meet Dany personally, he's got Sansa and Winterfell to himself (pretty much) and he's going to make his move.
Why would Jon say "you don't belong down here" at Ned's tomb if he didn't know anything about Littlefinger setting up Ned?
Anyway, minor point that I'm sure I'm missing, it just seems like Jon should know more about how evil Littlefinger is and his history to hate him this much.
Only Starks traditionally enter the tombs? Or maybe he knows Littlefinger's history with Cat?
King Robert entered the crypt. So maybe you need to be accompanied or maybe it was just Jon hating on Tommy Carcetti.
well everyone does love to hate the mayor, only slightly less than the governor, and he was both.
"I'm leaving you in charge while I'm gone..."
"K Bye..."
Weird development for Westeros's former #1 schemer.
I don't think Littlefinger accounted for Danaerys in his schemes (which were started before she had any power). His plan seems to be:
-get titles and power by kissing Lannister assses, leading him to Harrenhall and a marriage to Lysa (his co-plotter).
-Then team with Tyrells kill Joffrey and creat chaos amongst the Lannisters.
-Then sell off Sansa to the Boltons, giving him a foothold in the North.
-Then use the army of the Vale to take Winterfell from either the Boltons or Stannis.
-He would of then married Sansa for himself and have the full power of the North and Vale behind him, with an alliance to the Tyrells.
But Jon and Danaerys effectivly put a block to this scheme. He made alot of faces when Jon and Royce were arguing about Danaerys. I think Littlefinger is still coming up with a new plan.
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His time on GOT is over
Thought the same thing. Gregworm is going down.
pun intended?
Lol. Nice.
Really not digging Sansa at all, never have and quite frankly never will. Too loud a mouth on a girl who has literally done nothing.
Done nothing?? Jon would be dead and the North still controlled by Ramsey if not for her moves. She gets on my nerves here and there, but she's grown and learned a lot.
Hmm, I can think of a certain character, who Arya knows well and is also heading North, that was present when Littlefinger betrayed Ned and held that dagger up to his throat.
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At some point, she might find out how Littlefinger double-crossed Ned. That will jump him to the top of the list pretty quickly.
Hmm, I can think of a certain character, who Arya knows well and is also heading North, that was present when Littlefinger betrayed Ned and held that dagger up to his throat.
It would be great if Arya runs into The Hound and the rest of the Brotherhood. Throw in Gendry, who is rumored to be making an appearance somewhere.
They're doing Cersei a service, because I still favor her way more than I should at this point, but there are just so many characters I don't give a shit about.