Original synopsis:
| Daenerys has a surprise visitor; Jon faces a revolt; Tyrion draws up plans to conquer Westeros. |
Revised synopsis:
| Daenerys receives an unexpected visitor. Jon faces a revolt. Sam risks his career and life. Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros. |
Quickly unpacking the official plot summary:
1)
Daenerys has a surprise visitor.
Previews have made it pretty clear that the surprise visitor is Melisandre.
2)
Jon faces a revolt.
Not much mystery here either. Yohn Royce objects to Jon treating with Dany, no matter how badly the North needs dragonglass (not to mention dragons). So Jon faces yet another mutiny, which serves as a backdrop for Baelish's ongoing efforts to manipulate Sansa.
3)
Sam risks his career and life.
Sam takes a short break from saving the world to cure Jorah's greyscale. Alternate theory:
Professor Slughorn Archmaester Ebrose catches him in the restricted stacks of the
Hogwarts Citadel library.
4)
Tyrion plans the conquest of Westeros
That's quite a team around the Painted Table, as the Greyjoys and Sands join Team Dany. But what is Tyrion's strategy? He knows better than anyone the dangers of a frontal assault down Blackwater Bay. Will he strike first in the West, as some keen-eyed observers have suggested?
Any other predictions? Does Euron bring Cersei her engagement gift yet? Does a reunion with Nymeria change Arya's path?
One additional thought on #3: The Sam/Jorah plot is either a bit of serendipity for the showrunners or an impressive piece of advance plotting by Martin - maybe a bit of both. Unlike the stupidly improbable chance meeting between Jorah and Tyrion, the groundwork for this hookup has been inthe works for years. Traly and Mormont both have excellent reasons for being at the Citadel, on "missions" from their respective commanders. There is already much to bind them: Sam knew Jorah's father well, he has experience with curable greyscale (Shireen), and they are both disgraced scions of noble houses - albeit from opposite ends of Westeros's west coast. They have also both seen wonders that most men would dismiss as myth, and are among the most faithful followers of two rulers destined to join forces.
I lol'd, hard.
I think this is off. They pretty clearly showed Sansa and Brienne cornering him in a horse stall when she first got back. She threatened to kill him for selling her off and made it clear to Briemne later he might be useful to keep around. Clearly, that came to fruition already once. She can't tell Jon about it. He'll killl him.
Its easily my biggest complaint of the show. Not only is he one of the best actors on the show who now gets absolutely no lines anymore, but we are made to think he's now a fool.
I agree with this - fitting with the Cersei as Sansa's mentor theme, Sansa knows Littlefinger can be valuable if used properly. There's no value in "outing" him to Jon now, she knows Jon would quickly kill him. Better to have leverage over him to be used when needed.
Only Starks traditionally enter the tombs? Or maybe he knows Littlefinger's history with Cat?
Jon's pretty noble and loyal to the family, but he hated Cat and she *really* hated him. I can see him getting angry enough to kill over Sansa, but not sure he would kill a man for being in love with Cat. Not really sure anything actually happened with him and Cat that would cause anyone to kill him. He loved her and she didn't love him back. I never would have made past 7th grade if that was a criterion.
Varia: Not sure why Jaime could meet up with Greyworm. I suppose he could rush to Castlery Rock if they had enough advance notice, but for now, he's not in position to defend it. Much less so if they can still get the siege come to pass.
I don't buy Yara as a hostage for Cercei. Lieutenant's to the queen are likely not high enough on the chain for her to notice. I can't think why she would be astute enough about world politics to care about succession and throne claims in the Iron Islands even know Yara's name, much less place much value on her. Yeah, Indira Varma is the true hostage. I rather think that Yara is kept alive specifically to be Euron's prisoner to toy with. Nice, rival, stole his best ships, and there is a blood hatred between them. It's been talked about how Euron will be a villain to rival any that there have been in the show. A villain needs a pet to torture and I think that Yara will play Reek to Euron's Ramsey. Who knows, if she gets out of it alive, that might give her better perspective on how to view Theon's cowardice. At the least, it gives them parallel stories.
He used to be one of the biggest reasons I tuned in every week in the early seasons. And that was because he was uniquely funny, very sharp, loathed "the game," didn't kiss anybody's ass, and still managed to survive (and even thrive) in Westeros.
It seems like all of those qualities have been hiding in a drawer since he met Daenerys. Now he's basically a humorless yes-man who contributes fairly conventional strategic ideas. And he seems to have moved on quite well from killing his father and the only true love he may have ever had. I figured that the events of that dark final night in King's Landing would have had profound effects on his character development, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
He used to be one of the biggest reasons I tuned in every week in the early seasons. And that was because he was uniquely funny, very sharp, loathed "the game," didn't kiss anybody's ass, and still managed to survive (and even thrive) in Westeros.
It seems like all of those qualities have been hiding in a drawer since he met Daenerys. Now he's basically a humorless yes-man who contributes fairly conventional strategic ideas. And he seems to have moved on quite well from killing his father and the only true love he may have ever had. I figured that the events of that dark final night in King's Landing would have had profound effects on his character development, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Daenerys is an overbearing character who constantly promises to kill people if they displease her. Tough to have interesting conversations with such a character if you're her sworn, direct report.
Also, the Daenerys actress just sucks the oxygen out of the room, in a bad way, to me.
It again makes me think of the direwolves. Sansa hasn't truley been a "Stark" since Lady was killed in season 1. Bran's wolf, Summer, died just as he officially became the 3-eyed raven. And now Nymeria turned away from Arya who still in some ways "no-one".
The only Stark who still acts like a Stark, is the one who still, presumably has his direwolf by his side - Jon.
I think Littlefinger is doing what he does. There is no obvious move to make, so he's biding his time. Now that Jon is gone he will begin scheming anew. Maybe get Sansa to impulsively react foolishly in order to turn the Lords against her.
I thought the worst part of the episode was Sansa arguing until Jon told her she would be in charge, then she was cool.
Probably one of the weakest episodes IMO, but still enjoyed it.
It again makes me think of the direwolves. Sansa hasn't truley been a "Stark" since Lady was killed in season 1. Bran's wolf, Summer, died just as he officially became the 3-eyed raven. And now Nymeria turned away from Arya who still in some ways "no-one".
The only Stark who still acts like a Stark, is the one who still, presumably has his direwolf by his side - Jon.
Agree on all of this.
What Arya said to her wolf in this last episode. "It's not you." or whatever, is how her wolf reacted to Arya.
So who eats it? I feel like it is one of the girls because the boys seem more necessary to the White Walkers story. Though I could see Bran doing his role in the story and then dying.
So who eats it? I feel like it is one of the girls because the boys seem more necessary to the White Walkers story. Though I could see Bran doing his role in the story and then dying.
Same. I think one of the Stark sisters and I also think it will be because of or have a lot to do with the other.
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are reunited. This story allows for no such sentimentality.
So who eats it? I feel like it is one of the girls because the boys seem more necessary to the White Walkers story. Though I could see Bran doing his role in the story and then dying.
Same. I think one of the Stark sisters and I also think it will be because of or have a lot to do with the other.
In general, figure out which character you like the most and then put an X through his or her picture.
So who eats it? I feel like it is one of the girls because the boys seem more necessary to the White Walkers story. Though I could see Bran doing his role in the story and then dying.
Jon already died once, killing him again is just piling on. Bran has no use of his legs, that was cruel enough.
I think Arya dies, Nymeria leaving maybe signified Arya is a lone wolf, and has no pack.
If she does die she took out a lot of her list. I think she could die at the hands of the many face gods, a death that was not hers to take must be met with another death - wasn't that it? something like that from the house of black and white?
He used to be one of the biggest reasons I tuned in every week in the early seasons. And that was because he was uniquely funny, very sharp, loathed "the game," didn't kiss anybody's ass, and still managed to survive (and even thrive) in Westeros.
His biggest contribution over the past couple years was telling jokes to Grey Worm. He's also been neutered but he will come on strong since that's where the story is going.
It seems like all of those qualities have been hiding in a drawer since he met Daenerys. Now he's basically a humorless yes-man who contributes fairly conventional strategic ideas. And he seems to have moved on quite well from killing his father and the only true love he may have ever had. I figured that the events of that dark final night in King's Landing would have had profound effects on his character development, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Maybe she goes to Winterfell with a new face, hangs out some and decides it's not the place for her, goes off to work on her list. Ends up back in Essos.
Or yeah, eats it.
He used to be one of the biggest reasons I tuned in every week in the early seasons. And that was because he was uniquely funny, very sharp, loathed "the game," didn't kiss anybody's ass, and still managed to survive (and even thrive) in Westeros.
It seems like all of those qualities have been hiding in a drawer since he met Daenerys. Now he's basically a humorless yes-man who contributes fairly conventional strategic ideas. And he seems to have moved on quite well from killing his father and the only true love he may have ever had. I figured that the events of that dark final night in King's Landing would have had profound effects on his character development, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Here some flak , but not much ;)
You say hes been humorless since joining Danaerys, but then say he's seemed to move on since killing his father and lover. To me it makes since that Tyrion would never regain that carefree sarcastic side, after what happened his last night in Kinglanding. He has been through way too much to go back to that recreational life.
I wish Tyrion had more screen time. I was really hoping we would get more "Super Beuacracy Team of Tyrion & Varys" scenes last season, but I do think that have gotten his character development on point. Hes a serious and sad, but hopefull man now. A far way from the wise but appethetic wanderer in season 1.
We brought it up last week. I think you have to take some liberties there. It seemed like only a small group went with Yara and Theon. Euron was the new king and in charge of every other person left there. He said he wanted every man, woman, and child to start building so essentially that was all they were doing. Presumably, there was at least a few months that passed when Theon and Yarra went and reached out to Daynerys to join her and then they all made the trip west later. It's a major stretch and should have been something that took years but considering the amount of time left did we really want to waste time watching them build? I think it just is what it is. Maybe the books bring more context to it.
Also, that whole mix up with the gender for Valerian nouns. Could that be a hint, that Cersie's Valonqar prophecy has a similar translation probelm?
Also, that whole mix up with the gender for Valerian nouns. Could that be a hint, that Cersie's Valonqar prophecy has a similar translation probelm?
that theory (the pronoun and the prophecy) made it's way through reddit, but does Cersei have a sister?
no so IMO it's irrelevant in this case.
also maggy used the word "his" not just valonqar in the prophecy, so I don't think it was a case of an improper gender in a word like at dragonstone with Dany and Melisandre:
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When Varys asks "what makes you think this Jon Snow could be the Lord of Light?" Why doesn't Melisandre tell them about Jon's ressurection?
Also, that whole mix up with the gender for Valerian nouns. Could that be a hint, that Cersie's Valonqar prophecy has a similar translation probelm?
that theory (the pronoun and the prophecy) made it's way through reddit, but does Cersei have a sister?
no so IMO it's irrelevant in this case.
also maggy used the word "his" not just valonqar in the prophecy, so I don't think it was a case of an improper gender in a word like at dragonstone with Dany and Melisandre:
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Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds,” she said. “And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
You are most likely right. I just thought it was odd they brought that up about the Valerian language.
But to play devil's advocate for a second, she did say "the Valonqar" not your Valonqar. It really could be anyone's little brother (the hound maybe?) or sister. Maggie also did say "his hands" but last I saw, one of Cersie's brothers has a removable hand.
When you play the pronoun game, there is alot left open for interpretation. All I am saying is, there is about a 0.001% chance that Arya chokes out Cersie with Jaime's golden hand.
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When Varys asks "what makes you think this Jon Snow could be the Lord of Light?" Why doesn't Melisandre tell them about Jon's ressurection?
Also, that whole mix up with the gender for Valerian nouns. Could that be a hint, that Cersie's Valonqar prophecy has a similar translation probelm?
that theory (the pronoun and the prophecy) made it's way through reddit, but does Cersei have a sister?
no so IMO it's irrelevant in this case.
also maggy used the word "his" not just valonqar in the prophecy, so I don't think it was a case of an improper gender in a word like at dragonstone with Dany and Melisandre:
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Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds,” she said. “And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.
You are most likely right. I just thought it was odd they brought that up about the Valerian language.
But to play devil's advocate for a second, she did say "the Valonqar" not your Valonqar. It really could be anyone's little brother (the hound maybe?) or sister. Maggie also did say "his hands" but last I saw, one of Cersie's brothers has a removable hand.
When you play the pronoun game, there is alot left open for interpretation. All I am saying is, there is about a 0.001% chance that Arya chokes out Cersie with Jaime's golden hand.
now that would be awesome. there is a lot of foreshadowing out there for Jamie and Cersei dying together.
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I think there may have been more to that sequence there than him just being a coward/Reek. Realizing he'd have little chance to get to Yara in time and also defeat Euron, jumping overboard likely saves his life and gives him time to mobilize more forces against Euron to save Yara.
I think that too , almost sacrifice for the greater good. Could be what puts him over the top to become a stronger warrior. I assume it will be Theon helping Jon Stark beat Euron
I dont know about this. You want to root for Theon, but this is GOT... good people die all the time, and in this case, he did appear to snap when the chips were at their highest. It's actually a testament to Yara's weakness to have her broken down brother as her bodyguard. Weakness/softness leads to death in this story but we'll see.
To the above poster, Cersei was hot a few seasons back with longer hair and maybe more make up - she got old.
It seemed to me like Dany got a lot more ruthless all of a sudden this episode - yes she treated slavers and some other lords brutally along the way, but all of a sudden she's demanding Jon bend the knee and call her his Queen...not but 10 minutes after deciding not to attack Kings Landing because she didnt want to force the masses to obey out of fear. And all of a sudden going after Varys - didnt they meet up and hash all this out 2 seasons ago, she's just wondering about his loyalties now?
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I think there may have been more to that sequence there than him just being a coward/Reek. Realizing he'd have little chance to get to Yara in time and also defeat Euron, jumping overboard likely saves his life and gives him time to mobilize more forces against Euron to save Yara.
I think that too , almost sacrifice for the greater good. Could be what puts him over the top to become a stronger warrior. I assume it will be Theon helping Jon Stark beat Euron
I dont know about this. You want to root for Theon, but this is GOT... good people die all the time, and in this case, he did appear to snap when the chips were at their highest. It's actually a testament to Yara's weakness to have her broken down brother as her bodyguard. Weakness/softness leads to death in this story but we'll see.
To the above poster, Cersei was hot a few seasons back with longer hair and maybe more make up - she got old.
It seemed to me like Dany got a lot more ruthless all of a sudden this episode - yes she treated slavers and some other lords brutally along the way, but all of a sudden she's demanding Jon bend the knee and call her his Queen...not but 10 minutes after deciding not to attack Kings Landing because she didnt want to force the masses to obey out of fear. And all of a sudden going after Varys - didnt they meet up and hash all this out 2 seasons ago, she's just wondering about his loyalties now?
Daneaerys and Varys have never shared dialogue together beofore this past episode. He was shown on the ship with her at the end of last season but they never hashed anything out. It was a "grilling" the show needed.
I actually interpret that as part of the reason she hasn't mourned Tommen - because tears are the next part of the prophecy and shes not ready to go yet. She knows it will all come true, so she is just prolonging as best she can.
As some point it will all catch up to her and she will break down then be killed. Im guessing this season finale.
It now appaears to me season 6 will be about determining the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Thus, season 7 should be about the battle against the White Walkers.
It now appaears to me season 6 will be about determining the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Thus, season 7 should be about the battle against the White Walkers.
She'll turn more and more into her father
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I think the actor is great and the role is strong. She was even more bad ass last night which surprised me, so I hope she doesn't lose that love for humanity that she has always had.
It now appaears to me season 6 will be about determining the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Thus, season 7 should be about the battle against the White Walkers.
She'll turn more and more into her father
I hope she does. With Cersei likely biting it this season there needs to be another conflict other than just the White Walkers.
It now appaears to me season 6 will be about determining the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Thus, season 7 should be about the battle against the White Walkers.
Isn't this season 7 right now?
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I think the actor is great and the role is strong. She was even more bad ass last night which surprised me, so I hope she doesn't lose that love for humanity that she has always had.
It now appaears to me season 6 will be about determining the ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Thus, season 7 should be about the battle against the White Walkers.
She'll turn more and more into her father
I hope she does. With Cersei likely biting it this season there needs to be another conflict other than just the White Walkers.
I think she will start coming unglued when she starts losing her dragons, just like how Cersie lost it as her children started dying. I bet she will start to make somecrazy decisions.
I don't think she'll be an ultimate "baddie" though. That's reserved for the Night King in the last season. I can imagine the whole series ending with Danaerys finally sitting on the throne, with an air of uncertainty among everyone (characters and viewers) as to whether she will rule well or become mad.