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NFT: 7/23 Yankees (50-46) @ Mariners (49-50)

EddieNYG : 7/23/2017 4:10 pm
Yankees Lineup
1 Gardner CF
2 C Frazier LF
3 Judge RF
4 Sanchez C
5 Holliday DH
6 Gregorius SS
7 Headley 1B
8 T Frazier 3B
9 Wade 2B

P LHP Caleb Smith

Mariners Lineup
1 Segura SS
2 Valencia 1B
3 Cano 2B
4 Cruz DH
5 Seager 3B
6 Haniger RF
7 Gamel LF
8 Heredia CF
9 Ruiz C

P RHP Yovani Gallardo

C'mon, Yankees! Lets win our first serious since mid June!
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Can't let him pitch wtf  
DennyInDenville : 7/23/2017 7:17 pm : link
Take him out !!!

His leg just got rocked..

Dumb as fuck
Wow great pickoff move by Chapman  
DennyInDenville : 7/23/2017 7:18 pm : link
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Haha. Fuck you Joe Dirt.  
B in ALB : 7/23/2017 7:19 pm : link
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Sanchize is a lazy  
Sec 103 : 7/23/2017 7:22 pm : link
Backstop
Sanchez is quite frustrating back there at times.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 7:23 pm : link
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Hope Chapman  
EddieNYG : 7/23/2017 7:24 pm : link
Strikes out Gamel here...
Okay so Chapman ate that line drive and now pumping 102  
DennyInDenville : 7/23/2017 7:24 pm : link
Guy is a freak
Siddown. JIM Dirt.  
B in ALB : 7/23/2017 7:25 pm : link
Trash.

Win. Great flight home.
That took a while  
Sec 103 : 7/23/2017 7:25 pm : link
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Sit the fuck down, Gamel.  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 7:25 pm : link
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HUGE Series Win!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 7:25 pm : link
Fuck Seattle and fuck the west coast. Good riddance.
That's a big win  
Kyle in NY : 7/23/2017 7:26 pm : link
Chapman's velo and command looks much better
RE: Sanchize is a lazy  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/23/2017 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13536960 Sec 103 said:
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Backstop


Sanchez caught every fucking pitch of a 4 game series.
It's a Christmas (in July) miracle!  
NYerInMA : 7/23/2017 7:30 pm : link
A series win for the Yankees!
Very important win  
dpinzow : 7/23/2017 7:31 pm : link
Finally get a series win for the first time in a while. Boston and Tampa lost so the Yanks amazingly are only 1 back in the loss column
CLINT with the game-winning hit.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 7:31 pm : link
He's only 22!
RE: HUGE Series Win!!!  
B in ALB : 7/23/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13536968 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Fuck Seattle and fuck the west coast. Good riddance.


Haha. Dude you Crack me the fuck up sometimes.
Day off, then home for nine  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 7:41 pm : link
against Cincy, Tampa and Detroit. I think we're about to go on a nice little run. Lineup is much better with Ginger in the two hole, bullpen is much better (obviously) and there's no Pineda to fuck us over.
Clint Frazier  
EddieNYG : 7/23/2017 7:42 pm : link
HAS to be on the roster for the rest of the year!
RE: Clint Frazier  
Beer Man : 7/23/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13536983 EddieNYG said:
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HAS to be on the roster for the rest of the year!
His job is to make that a very tough decision for the org. The fact that Jacoby is sitting so many games as of late may be a good indication that he is doing a good job.
Typhoid Tyler  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/23/2017 8:02 pm : link
I was checking in how Clippard has done with the White Sox. He's already blown 2 games for them and the Sox as a whole haven't since the trade. He's faced a total of 5 batters and retired 1.
Great series, Yanks needed that win today  
mfsd : 7/23/2017 8:04 pm : link
As everyone else is saying - Clint Frazier has to stay and has to play. When Hicks is back, get back to the 4 man OF rotation, except this time with Frazier instead of Ellsbury. That gives us a chance to let Judge get the occasional DH game or day off, and sit Gardy against tough lefties

Headley's splits tell the tale - as a lefty hitter, he still has a .382 OBP and .785 OPS...but a .549 OPS as a righty. He's still OK as a platoon player. Yeah he's pretty mediocre wherever he plays in the field now, but we don't have many other options.
Ok  
djm : 7/23/2017 8:11 pm : link
Moving on...
Headley is probably tenth on the list of problems with the yanks  
djm : 7/23/2017 8:13 pm : link
He's an average player when all said and done. Maybe slightly above or below if you want to split hairs but pretty much average. He's necessary for now. Won't be forever.

Let's keep on winning.
Boston brought up Devers instead of trading for Frazier.  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 8:18 pm : link
Why are we trying to fill in mistakes with new mistakes?

So far, objectively speaking, we have one GM who can't win without a hefty payroll and a manager who can't win unless he has five aces in the bullpen.

Let's do something different, let's see what the youngsters can do. The Sawx are contending with a pretty young team, let's not mortgage the future for middling vets.
RE: Boston brought up Devers instead of trading for Frazier.  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13537013 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Why are we trying to fill in mistakes with new mistakes?

So far, objectively speaking, we have one GM who can't win without a hefty payroll and a manager who can't win unless he has five aces in the bullpen.

Let's do something different, let's see what the youngsters can do. The Sawx are contending with a pretty young team, let's not mortgage the future for middling vets.

Are you fucking serious with this bullshit? The Sox gave up their best prospects for Sale. They also traded good prospects for Pomeranz. And signed fat ass Panda for a billion dollars. The Yankees meanwhile have called up a TON of prospects. But Boston calls up one guy AFTER FAILING TO LAND FRAZIER, which they tried to do, and they are the gold standard? Because the Yankees traded an A ball player for bullpen help? If you think Frazier was anything other than a throw in in that deal, you're even more clueless than you are coming across as being with this stupid ass post
I wonder if Holliday ends up being the odd man out.  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 8:40 pm : link
That DH spot could be key in breaking the outfield logjam and keeping the best bats in the lineup. There could come a time in September when our lineup is eight or nine deep:

1). Gardy LF
2). Hicks CF
3). Judge RF
4). Sanchez C
5). C. Frazier DH
6). Didi SS
7). Bird 1B
8). Castro 2B
9). Headley/T. Frazier 3B

With our ridiculous bullpen and one more starter (I think Cash acquires one), we'd have a team that could make some serious noise.

RE: RE: Boston brought up Devers instead of trading for Frazier.  
Stu11 : 7/23/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13537020 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13537013 Jim in Hoboken said:


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Why are we trying to fill in mistakes with new mistakes?

So far, objectively speaking, we have one GM who can't win without a hefty payroll and a manager who can't win unless he has five aces in the bullpen.

Let's do something different, let's see what the youngsters can do. The Sawx are contending with a pretty young team, let's not mortgage the future for middling vets.


Are you fucking serious with this bullshit? The Sox gave up their best prospects for Sale. They also traded good prospects for Pomeranz. And signed fat ass Panda for a billion dollars. The Yankees meanwhile have called up a TON of prospects. But Boston calls up one guy AFTER FAILING TO LAND FRAZIER, which they tried to do, and they are the gold standard? Because the Yankees traded an A ball player for bullpen help? If you think Frazier was anything other than a throw in in that deal, you're even more clueless than you are coming across as being with this stupid ass post

lol not to pile on but thats some nonsense. The Sox? they've been trading and discussing their prospects like its a tag sale since Dombrowski got there. The Yanks have used like 20 guys from AAA this year. That post almost rivaled the winner this morning who wanted to DFA Frazier and Holliday.
RE: Boston brought up Devers instead of trading for Frazier.  
mfsd : 7/23/2017 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13537013 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Why are we trying to fill in mistakes with new mistakes?

So far, objectively speaking, we have one GM who can't win without a hefty payroll and a manager who can't win unless he has five aces in the bullpen.

Let's do something different, let's see what the youngsters can do. The Sawx are contending with a pretty young team, let's not mortgage the future for middling vets.


Hey numbskull - we would have called up Gleyber Torres instead of trading for Frazier had Torres not been lost for the season to a freak injury.
Todd Frazier was a thrown in  
EddieNYG : 7/23/2017 8:49 pm : link
He was not the centerpiece of the deal. Tommy Kahnle was the price acquisition along with getting Robertson back. Geez!
*Prize  
EddieNYG : 7/23/2017 8:50 pm : link
not price
The best part is  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 8:58 pm : link
This guy obviously is oblivious to the fact that Boston was very close to trading for Frazier. They were trying very hard. Chicago decided they liked the Yankees offer more. So to suggest that they called up Devers instead of trading for Frazier is utter nonsense. They tried trading for Frazier!
There's a fear of bringing up youngsters too early...  
Milton : 7/23/2017 9:33 pm : link
...and fucking up their confidence when has a trickle down effect on their mechanics. The Yankees would've been reluctant to bring up Torres had he not been injured and the Sox were reluctant to bring up Devers. Devers is plan C for them, something they were hoping too avoid.
p.s.--Meanwhile Yoan Moncada--the #1 prospect in baseball--is hitting .077 since being called up.
RE: There's a fear of bringing up youngsters too early...  
Milton : 7/23/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13537050 Milton said:
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...and fucking up their confidence *when* has a trickle down effect on their mechanics.
That should read *which* has a trickle down effect....
Had the Sox included Devers, you think those players would be here?  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 9:39 pm : link
All I am saying is we can't dump more prospects for another 1B or a starter just to compete with the Sox this year. They are young as well, we have to compete against them for the long haul.

My god, it's like I am posting on board full of high schoolers. Pipe down, what's the big fucking deal if somebody doesn't agree with you?
RE: Had the Sox included Devers, you think those players would be here?  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13537052 Jim in Hoboken said:
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All I am saying is we can't dump more prospects for another 1B or a starter just to compete with the Sox this year. They are young as well, we have to compete against them for the long haul.

My god, it's like I am posting on board full of high schoolers. Pipe down, what's the big fucking deal if somebody doesn't agree with you?

Because you have no idea what you're talking about. Your post basically said that we should do it like the Sox. Your entire post was full of bullshit, false statements. Own up to it. Don't call other people high schoolers for calling out your ignorance. Every single thing about your post was off base and blatantly wrong. Blame yourself, not everyone else.
RE: RE: HUGE Series Win!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13536977 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13536968 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Fuck Seattle and fuck the west coast. Good riddance.



Haha. Dude you Crack me the fuck up sometimes.


Thanks, man. You routinely throw out some hilarious zingers, too. Haha.
No need to get snippy  
Dunedin81 : 7/23/2017 10:13 pm : link
Good posters with differing opinions.

Boston did what we are doing now a couple years ago. They got a young core in place. They even tried to stock the pitching rotation with prospects, but a mix of injury and failure sent them scrambling to the trade and FA markets. We are getting that core put together and early returns are great, pitching is a big question but we have the money and the pieces to round things out if our kids falter. I just hope we don't go full throttle on a trade spree before we are actually competitive because we could end up like the Sox, good but without the real prospect ammo to put us over the top. Chicago had it last year and used it, though this year they are short in follow on talent and the pieces to plug holes.
When did I say we should do it like the Sox?  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 10:21 pm : link
I said I liked that they brought up Devers only. I never said the Sox always retain their prospects, I can see as well as you do that they tended to trade prospects for veterans under Dombrowski.

Last I checked they've had more championship rings lately than we do.

I am not jumping all over the last trade because I am secretly hoping that maybe Cash and co. just soured on Rutherford. However, under no circumstances do I want to see Mateo and others traded for Darvish, Gray, or Bour.
RE: No need to get snippy  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13537070 Dunedin81 said:
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Good posters with differing opinions.

Boston did what we are doing now a couple years ago. They got a young core in place. They even tried to stock the pitching rotation with prospects, but a mix of injury and failure sent them scrambling to the trade and FA markets. We are getting that core put together and early returns are great, pitching is a big question but we have the money and the pieces to round things out if our kids falter. I just hope we don't go full throttle on a trade spree before we are actually competitive because we could end up like the Sox, good but without the real prospect ammo to put us over the top. Chicago had it last year and used it, though this year they are short in follow on talent and the pieces to plug holes.

Good post Dune, as usual. And I apologize to Jim for getting "snippy". I just cannot stand the narrative that Boston does everything right and the Yankees screw everything up. The Yankees have done a fantastic job rebuilding the system and bringing up the young guys when they are ready. Boston has traded most of their system in the past couple of years and absolutely would have traded for Frazier had the Yankees not stepped in at the last minute. Boston gets enough inaccurate love and affection from the media for being loveable, blue collar, low budget over achievers that it drives me insane when I see Yankee fans buying that nonsense.
Glad we don't see Ben Gamel for a while  
DennyInDenville : 7/23/2017 10:27 pm : link
That guy wanted to murder every Yankee player and was on a mission to kill
I am always critical of Cashman, because to me  
Jim in Hoboken : 7/23/2017 10:33 pm : link
he let the minor league system flounder for too long and for most of his tenure couldn't do anything with one of the highest payrolls. He's been doing a better job lately, in large part because we became sellers down the stretch for a change.

Yankee fans should remember, for years our system sucked. The current embarrassment of riches isn't what we are used to and Cash shouldn't be trading the current prospects for rentals when, given some patience and prudence, these prospects can do the same jobs at fraction of the cost.
Yeah, Gamel was a pain in the ass.  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 10:33 pm : link
He can enjoy anonymity in the Pacific Northwest while we build a dynasty.
RE: Glad we don't see Ben Gamel for a while  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13537078 DennyInDenville said:
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That guy wanted to murder every Yankee player and was on a mission to kill

Hopefully now he finds a shelter to provide him with some food and water. And then a nice hot shower and a haircut and shave. That dude looks hideous.
Nice picture of some of our studs on the plane ride back!  
DennyInDenville : 7/23/2017 10:37 pm : link
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Chapman Twitter - ( New Window )
I think Cash will acquire a pitcher this week  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 10:38 pm : link
and probably give up a prospect or two we're gonna hate to see go. The front office will conclude that one more arm + deep bullpen + healthier lineup will be enough to make us contenders.
RE: I am always critical of Cashman, because to me  
BigBlueShock : 7/23/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13537087 Jim in Hoboken said:
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he let the minor league system flounder for too long and for most of his tenure couldn't do anything with one of the highest payrolls. He's been doing a better job lately, in large part because we became sellers down the stretch for a change.

Yankee fans should remember, for years our system sucked. The current embarrassment of riches isn't what we are used to and Cash shouldn't be trading the current prospects for rentals when, given some patience and prudence, these prospects can do the same jobs at fraction of the cost.

Cashman was also over ruled many times by the Tampa segment. Cashman wanted no part of ARod signing that contract. He was overruled. Cashman has wanted to go this direction for a long time and was finally able to talk the clowns upstairs into letting him do it. Your anger is directed in the wrong direction.
Yeah, Cash wanted to deal Cano and Robertson  
bceagle05 : 7/23/2017 10:41 pm : link
to replenish the farm, and was overrruled. Now Hal can't get enough of the Baby Bombers, who he's been pimping all year.
RE: RE: I am always critical of Cashman, because to me  
Stu11 : 7/23/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13537096 BigBlueShock said:
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Cashman was also over ruled many times by the Tampa segment. Cashman wanted no part of ARod signing that contract. He was overruled. Cashman has wanted to go this direction for a long time and was finally able to talk the clowns upstairs into letting him do it. Your anger is directed in the wrong direction.

Let me preface my post with I love Cash, he's a superb GM and don't love this mythical "Tampa Crew" Hal, Randy Levine etc...However there's a little too much of framing every bad move we've made over the past 10 years as something Cash was against and over ruled on. He has to take the bad with the good. He's been the GM here for 20 years. He has now set us up for a great chance at a contending run.
Not every bad move was something forced on Cash  
Greg from LI : 7/24/2017 10:20 am : link
But he did want to start a rebuild several years before the higher-ups would allow it, and he did want to trade Robertson and Cano rather than letting them walk. Only last year, when it was obvious by midseason that they weren't a playoff contender, did he get the green light to sell. I think it's been pretty well established that the Yankees hierarchy will never sell if there's any chance, however remote, of making the playoffs.
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