1. Does Rhett Ellison pass his physical? The Giants are no strangers to calf injuries which seemed innocent enough when first reported, but ultimately cost the player the season (Berhe and Cruz to name two).
2. Does J.T. Thomas pass his physical? There are five ways this could go...
a) he passes the physical and is immediately released, saving the team $3M under the cap.
b) he passes the physical and accepts a significant paycut, thus allowing him to compete for the starting job he lost to Casillas last year.
c) he passes the physical and is allowed to compete in camp under his current salary (meaning the Giants run the risk of being on the hook for $3M should he tear his ACL in camp and wind up on IR again.
d) he fails the physical and is released with a $1M injury settlement.
e) he fails the physical and is placed on PUP, allowing the Giants to put off releasing him in the hope that he can pass his physical before the end of camp (at which time the Giants could release him sans injury settlement).
3. Does Odighizuwa report for camp? I'm hoping he doesn't, because if he does, I see little chance of him making the team. But if he doesn't, the Giants can put him on NFI at no cost, allowing them to retain his rights should he manage to get his head straight for a return to the team in 2018.
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What guys have injuries that we don't know about right now? We'll find out.
But honestly,Neither player is guaranteed. I just have a heard time with us only keeping 4 DE's.
Hopefully he gets it together.
Let's hope and pray Ellison is healthy. His blocking is needed.
If not,is Will Johnson still an option?
JT Thomas, my gut tells me he passes the physical (its been 10.5 months now, I believe) and is forced to take a paycut with incentives.
Just hoping we have a healthy start, 6 weeks, and finish along with a healthy game 1 win over hated Dallas.
But honestly,Neither player is guaranteed. I just have a heard time with us only keeping 4 DE's.
Hopefully he gets it together.
Let's hope and pray Ellison is healthy. His blocking is needed.
If not,is Will Johnson still an option?
You can get to 5 DEs without OO or Wynn (and keep the top 5 DEs in the process, IMO): JPP, OV, Okwara, Taylor, Moss.
Maybe so, but the first question is pretty freakin' important.
They couldn't say enough about his athlectism. I was very excited by the signing. The guy never made plays even when he was able to stay in the field.
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are pretty far down the list of importance to this team imo...
Yes, but the most important questions won't be answered for weeks and months. These are questions that will be answered by the end of the week. You get what you pay for.
Ok so what are the most important ones? Is offense clicking, are Flowers and Hart doing better, how is the running game, is BJ Goodson the goods, and is DThompson back on track?
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are pretty far down the list of importance to this team imo...
Maybe so, but the first question is pretty freakin' important.
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Ellison sat out OTAs due to calf soreness, so it's encouraging that he was more active during minicamp. His issue never appeared to be all that serious in any case, but it still isn't certain whether he'll be full speed when training camp rolls around next month.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
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help this team if Ellison misses long stretches.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
That being said, I have zero belief in Lacrosse staying healthy let alone being an effective player.
To be more blunt, if this team doesn't have a te who can block they will continue to field one of the worst offensives in football. Can Adams be that guy? Maybe and I hope so. I dont think Engram will be an effective blocker for at least a year, if ever, nor do I think thats why he was drafted which is fine. But you make a legit point about Adams.
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help this team if Ellison misses long stretches.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
haha it was way over the top for sure.
That being said, I have zero belief in Lacrosse staying healthy let alone being an effective player.
To be more blunt, if this team doesn't have a te who can block they will continue to field one of the worst offensives in football. Can Adams be that guy? Maybe and I hope so. I dont think Engram will be an effective blocker for at least a year, if ever, nor do I think thats why he was drafted which is fine. But you make a legit point about Adams.
More hyperbole. Keep it comin'.
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help this team if Ellison misses long stretches.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
haha it was way over the top for sure.
That being said, I have zero belief in Lacrosse staying healthy let alone being an effective player.
To be more blunt, if this team doesn't have a te who can block they will continue to field one of the worst offensives in football. Can Adams be that guy? Maybe and I hope so. I dont think Engram will be an effective blocker for at least a year, if ever, nor do I think thats why he was drafted which is fine. But you make a legit point about Adams.
More hyperbole. Keep it comin'.
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help this team if Ellison misses long stretches.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
haha it was way over the top for sure.
That being said, I have zero belief in Lacrosse staying healthy let alone being an effective player.
To be more blunt, if this team doesn't have a te who can block they will continue to field one of the worst offensives in football. Can Adams be that guy? Maybe and I hope so. I dont think Engram will be an effective blocker for at least a year, if ever, nor do I think thats why he was drafted which is fine. But you make a legit point about Adams.
More hyperbole. Keep it comin'.
Were the Giants not one of the worst offensives in football last year or am I crazy?
Did the Giants have Marshall, Engram or a healthy Vereen last year? Did they use Perkins as their starting RB instead of a washed-up Jennings? Did they have a healthy Richburg? And further, you seem to be assuming no YOY improvement from the OL; only the blocking TE role can improve the offense, apparently.
Jury's still out on whether you're crazy. I guess we'll find out when we figure out your previous handle.
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help this team if Ellison misses long stretches.
I want Ellison healthy too but this is way over the top. With Adams in his second year and even LaCrosse showing well in OTAs it wouldn't be the ed of the world if they lost Ellison. There are far more important players than Ellison who would be devastating to lose.
haha it was way over the top for sure.
That being said, I have zero belief in Lacrosse staying healthy let alone being an effective player.
To be more blunt, if this team doesn't have a te who can block they will continue to field one of the worst offensives in football. Can Adams be that guy? Maybe and I hope so. I dont think Engram will be an effective blocker for at least a year, if ever, nor do I think thats why he was drafted which is fine. But you make a legit point about Adams.
More hyperbole. Keep it comin'.
Were the Giants not one of the worst offensives in football last year or am I crazy?
Did the Giants have Marshall, Engram or a healthy Vereen last year? Did they use Perkins as their starting RB instead of a washed-up Jennings? Did they have a healthy Richburg? And further, you seem to be assuming no YOY improvement from the OL; only the blocking TE role can improve the offense, apparently.
Jury's still out on whether you're crazy. I guess we'll find out when we figure out your previous handle.
The Giants did have awful skill players last year out of ODB. No doubt.
However, Im a strong believer that skill players shine when the O-line can protect the qb and you can run the ball. I do expect improvement just based on the additon of said skill players(despite one being a rookie who has never played on down in the NFL.)
As for the injuries on the O-line, please, the Giants were reasonably healthy in that regard.
As for year to year improvement. It could just as easily not happen as it could happen. How many other teams are banking on internal improvement? Lots. Its a crapshoot. I believe with a legit blockin TE this team an cover any OT deficiencies. Without that, expecting the OL to take a step forward thats significant is I think coin flip at best. Flowers regressed in year two. Hart on the other hand could improve significantly but isn't quite drafted in a round where thats any given.
1. Grade-1 micro tear, 2 to 4 weeks
2. Grade-2 Partial tear, 4 to 8 weeks
3. Grade-3 complete tear, 3 to 4 months
I had a grade-2 some years back. It felt good after 5-weeks, so I tried to return to running. The first mile out it tore again, it then took the full 8-weeks to heal
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I would like DoubleO to report and make the squad. Especially over Wynn.
But honestly,Neither player is guaranteed. I just have a heard time with us only keeping 4 DE's.
Hopefully he gets it together.
Let's hope and pray Ellison is healthy. His blocking is needed.
If not,is Will Johnson still an option?
You can get to 5 DEs without OO or Wynn (and keep the top 5 DEs in the process, IMO): JPP, OV, Okwara, Taylor, Moss.
Totally forgot about Moss.
Shucks, Double O might be done. Hopefully he shows up to camp. He's a third rd pick. To lose him just like that..
In any case, I'm not expecting Odigi to show. After all, he didn't show up for mandatory mini-camp or any OTA, so why should we think anything has changed over the last month?
Milt, what time do you go to sleep out on the west coast?
The Thomas question is interesting but not as impactfull as I feel we have some legit players ahead of him and could get by if he is out.
As for Odi, I feel he is not making the cut with the depth of players in front of him and given his recent issues. Maybe they can put him on IR with "mental problems"?? A bigger question for me would be does Mikel Thompson ever really get healthy and can he make the squad as a back up/slot corner/safety. Or can Berhe learn to hit with his shoulder and not his head. I think depth at safety or secondary is a bigger issue that LB.