NFT: Portland involved in Melo 3 team trade per Mike Rice

surgery in 2015 and still an issue in 2017? I'm a pessimist by nature but that worries me given the Knicks history with players like this.

In comment 13538157 DanMetroMan said:

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surgery in 2015 and still an issue in 2017? I'm a pessimist by nature but that worries me given the Knicks history with players like this.

I don't know. He's 25 and was amazing in the playoffs this year.

will be considered a top 5 NBA player once he breaks free from LeBron. He can average close to 30 and 8 assists I'd wager.

due to LeBron's frustration with him?

Maybe LeBron pressures them to ship him out for Carmelo asap?

Melo, Frank and top 10 protected #1 for Kyrie.

LeBron and Melo make a run at GS together this year and can opt out next summer.

Knicks rebuild is underway with 4 young pieces in Kyrie, THJ, KP and Willy.

In comment 13538159 ryanmkeane said:
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surgery in 2015 and still an issue in 2017? I'm a pessimist by nature but that worries me given the Knicks history with players like this.


I don't know. He's 25 and was amazing in the playoffs this year. [/quote

Irving himself admitted his knee bothered him late in the season and playoffs. Straight from his mouth

In comment 13538163 Chris684 said:

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due to LeBron's frustration with him? Maybe LeBron pressures them to ship him out for Carmelo asap? Melo, Frank and top 10 protected #1 for Kyrie. LeBron and Melo make a run at GS together this year and can opt out next summer. Knicks rebuild is underway with 4 young pieces in Kyrie, THJ, KP and Willy.

I'd have a heart attack if that trade happened. Would be an incredible deal for Knicks.

In comment 13538165 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13538159 ryanmkeane said: [quote] In comment 13538157 DanMetroMan said: Quote: surgery in 2015 and still an issue in 2017? I'm a pessimist by nature but that worries me given the Knicks history with players like this. I don't know. He's 25 and was amazing in the playoffs this year. [/quote Irving himself admitted his knee bothered him late in the season and playoffs. Straight from his mouth

I didn't realize that stuff with his knee. Something to monitor..crazy to think he was as good as he was with those issues

That everyone on the board is predicting in a deal to send Melo to Houston, why trade him at all. The team will stink with him or without him this season.

Keep him and see if there are better offers near the trade deadline or let him opt out at the end of the season and pick up the significant cap space.

It's frustrating to read about Melo like he is a 40 year old has been. Guy is still one of the top pier scorers in the league, and as a second or third option on a Houston or Cleveland, he'd be lethal.

Knicks should feel no pressure to make a deal unless it makes the team better in the future (aka quality young players and/or picks).

In comment 13538162 ryanmkeane said:

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will be considered a top 5 NBA player once he breaks free from LeBron. He can average close to 30 and 8 assists I'd wager.

#Cavs Kyrie Irving said his knee is bothering him and when asked if he needs a day of rest he said, "I don't know"
— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) April 8, 2017

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Kyrie said his knee wasn’t right late in season. He’s been banged up in playoffs, too https://twitter.com/jonesonthenba/status/871547440607789057 …

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Kyrie looks a step slow. I've heard he isn't healthy as he was last year at this time and I'm starting to believe it.

Kyrie had a broken bone, I wouldn't be too concerned with long term effects.

In comment 13538148 Keith said:

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and there is no repairing it at this point. I am a little disappointed in Kyrie and how he's handled this situation. Immensely talented, but I'd be a little concerned trading for this guy.

I don't blame Irving for wanting to get out. He knows LBJ is gone next summer. You think he wants to stick around with the mess that Cleveland will be after this season? Hell no. I'd be looking to bounce too.

Cleveland from just not doing anything and keeping Kyrie?

In comment 13538184 ryanmkeane said:

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Cleveland from just not doing anything and keeping Kyrie?

Nothing, but if GM Lebron wants him gone, he's gone.

In comment 13538154 ryanmkeane said:

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thing is amazing because in reality, the Knicks can probably give the Cavs the most for Irving (not including KP). And it would give Irving a chance to come home and be the man in NY.

Suns can easily outbid us IMO. Jackson, Bledsoe, Chriss, Bender, Chandler are all interesting assets.

In comment 13538182 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 13538148 Keith said: Quote: and there is no repairing it at this point. I am a little disappointed in Kyrie and how he's handled this situation. Immensely talented, but I'd be a little concerned trading for this guy. I don't blame Irving for wanting to get out. He knows LBJ is gone next summer. You think he wants to stick around with the mess that Cleveland will be after this season? Hell no. I'd be looking to bounce too.

And yet the Knicks are on his list.

Then even more leverage for the Knicks if true.

Still, I'd rather take what seems to be a minor risk on Kyrie's knee than deal Melo for Houston or Portland's trash.

All things considered the deal I proposed above seems pretty fair.

Cleveland walks away with Carmelo Anthony, a top 10 prospect from this year's draft and a potential #1 in next year's draft.

In comment 13538189 widmerseyebrow said:

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In comment 13538184 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Cleveland from just not doing anything and keeping Kyrie? Nothing, but if GM Lebron wants him gone, he's gone.

I suspect GM LeBron is dead without a commitment to say in CLE

You think they can keep him around?"

because he's from NJ.

In comment 13538200 Keith said:

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You think they can keep him around?"

Lebron actually said/tweeted that? Or is it just hearsay from SAS?

In comment 13538203 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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because he's from NJ.

It also gives him a chance to start fresh/be the man in the best market in the country. Decent building pieces as well.

LeBron wants one more go at it before opting out, Melo is the best player he can get for Kyrie. Simple as that.

Given that the Knicks now have a GM with some skill and rep around the game, what are the odds that there might be subsequent trades lined up for whomever the Knicks get in the Anthony deal?

In general, when a team is over the cap, they cannot trade a player acquired in a trade together with another player for 2 months- though they can trade the player by himself in a deal.

on what the Knicks might want in return.

If Melo waives his trade kicker, the following COULD work financially.

NY sends Melo to Houston

Houston sends Anderson to Portland

Houston sends Ariza and Black to NY, with their 2020 1st rounder.

Portland sends Aminu, Davis and Vonleh, and their 1st rounder next year to NY.

The Knicks get 2 picks, and all expirings- except Aminu- who is on a 2 year deal at about $7M per.

dream deal

In comment 13538221 rich in DC said:

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on what the Knicks might want in return. If Melo waives his trade kicker, the following COULD work financially. NY sends Melo to Houston Houston sends Anderson to Portland Houston sends Ariza and Black to NY, with their 2020 1st rounder. Portland sends Aminu, Davis and Vonleh, and their 1st rounder next year to NY. The Knicks get 2 picks, and all expirings- except Aminu- who is on a 2 year deal at about $7M per.

why is Portland doing that? By all accounts, Anderson has negative value at this point.

Houston doesnt have enough assets to be rid of Anderson's contract, let alone pay positive value for Melo.

If Melo goes to HOU in an Anderson-centered deal, Morey ripped off someone. We can talk about the Chinese kid, the German kid etc. -- doesnt matter. None are fair value in a trade like this.

to get rid of Anderson and Portland most likely will be getting a pick to take him on. I'm guessing the Knicks will get Harkless, a young player and salary cap relief. Portland will get Anderson and a pick. Houston will get Melo. So something like:

Knicks trade Melo
Knicks get Harkless, Ariza, Hartenstein, Ed Davis

Houston trades Anderson, Ariza, Hartenstein, future pick
Houston gets Melo

Portland trades Harkless, Ed Davis
Portland gets Anderson, fiture pick from Houston

In comment 13538250 Deej said:

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Houston doesnt have enough assets to be rid of Anderson's contract, let alone pay positive value for Melo.

this is the whole thing in a nutshell - and the main reason the Knicks should walk away.

I'm not even talking about his ability to play bball either. The Knicks need to rid themselves of Melo so that we can actually build something with the youth we have. Let the coach actually have some pull with the players(no coach ever has clout with Melo as Melo has run so many out) and let the team build around KP, Willy and the youth.

makes sense for the Knicks. The only salaries after this year are Harkless(reasonable) and Hartenstein(makes nothing). All of the guys could end up having trade value at the deadline too, so it's possible to add more assets later on. So we rid ourselves of this anchor, we add youth, we get salary cap relief. Done.

also likely costs them a few extra games next year, so hopefully they keep their 1st and are picking top 5.

KP/Willy/Frank/top 5 pick could turn into a nice core and potentially draw a top FA in a few years (when Noah and a few others are off the books).

is bloated based on both years and $$. But he is a useful player (unlike say, Joachim Noah). I fail to see how this is an immovable object given other contracts discussed w/ these three teams.

In comment 13538275 Pep22 said:

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is bloated based on both years and $$. But he is a useful player (unlike say, Joachim Noah). I fail to see how this is an immovable object given other contracts discussed w/ these three teams.

Almost nothing is immovable if you add assets to sweeten the pot, but nobody was lining up to take Anderson. We are lucky that Portland showed interest.

has made it clear that he has no interest in going to camp with the Knicks. As you get closer to camp or the start of the season, I bet his list of preferred teams expands. Already we've seen smoke around OKC of all places.

In comment 13538240 Enzo said:

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In comment 13538221 rich in DC said: Quote: on what the Knicks might want in return. If Melo waives his trade kicker, the following COULD work financially. NY sends Melo to Houston Houston sends Anderson to Portland Houston sends Ariza and Black to NY, with their 2020 1st rounder. Portland sends Aminu, Davis and Vonleh, and their 1st rounder next year to NY. The Knicks get 2 picks, and all expirings- except Aminu- who is on a 2 year deal at about $7M per. why is Portland doing that? By all accounts, Anderson has negative value at this point.

Anderson is a great fit on Portland. They have a massive gap at the 4 and he can stretch the floor for them.

In comment 13538289 Enzo said:

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has made it clear that he has no interest in going to camp with the Knicks. As you get closer to camp or the start of the season, I bet his list of preferred teams expands. Already we've seen smoke around OKC of all places.

OKC has even fewer assets than the Rockets

not pay him if he didn't report to camp? Seems like a terrible bluff by Carmelo's camp if true.

In comment 13538290 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 13538240 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 13538221 rich in DC said: Quote: on what the Knicks might want in return. If Melo waives his trade kicker, the following COULD work financially. NY sends Melo to Houston Houston sends Anderson to Portland Houston sends Ariza and Black to NY, with their 2020 1st rounder. Portland sends Aminu, Davis and Vonleh, and their 1st rounder next year to NY. The Knicks get 2 picks, and all expirings- except Aminu- who is on a 2 year deal at about $7M per. why is Portland doing that? By all accounts, Anderson has negative value at this point. Anderson is a great fit on Portland. They have a massive gap at the 4 and he can stretch the floor for them.

Teams are telling Houston they want two #1s for Anderson. It's unrealistic to think Portland is just going to accept him into their roster/cap without expecting assets in return. The above trade has them sending out assets.

Mine was excellent.

In comment 13538302 Keith said:

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Mine was excellent.

What was my trade idea?

Missed u kmed

it was rich's idea.

that RA adds value to Portland. Is it 19mm in value? No, but if they can ease their pain by unloading a portion of their ridiculous $$ versus production allocated to the small forward position (36mm a year with Turner, MH, AFA) or even succeed in throwing in ML, it makes sense for Portland.

Knicks challenge is obvious (get Harkless or AFA and try to avoid poisonous deals).

In terms of the crappiest deals mentioned in this trade ordeal, I'd rank the following worst to best:

1 Turner

2 Anderson

3 Eric Gordon (he'd get hurt about 5 minutes after the Knicks got him)

4 Leonard

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not pay him if he didn't report to camp? Seems like a terrible bluff by Carmelo's camp if true.

there's a subtle difference between him communicating that he wants a trade before the season and him threatening a hold-out. I don't think anyone is at that point yet.

Harkless and Leonard, adding Anderson really isn't that bad. It's basically a wash salary wise and a much better player.

take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5.

are a combined 20M and both set to expire in summer 2020. Anderson is the same. If I'm Portland that's a good option to improve the team and maybe make some playoff noise as a 5-6 seed.

Houston can't because the salaries won't match. Knicks certainly aren't....or shouldn't. I think Portland is going to be trading Harkless and pieces and getting Anderson and a pick.

In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said:

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take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5.

One person expressed that opinion, and you're attributing it to all Knicks fans? You actually do that a lot.

In comment 13538344 Deej said:

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In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said: Quote: take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5. One person expressed that opinion, and you're attributing it to all Knicks fans? You actually do that a lot.

Nope. I'm being told on twitter he's 10 "easily" but okay then.