NFT: Portland involved in Melo 3 team trade per Mike Rice

In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said:

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take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5.

Outside of Russ he's the best scoring PG in the game. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a #1 pick who is the best offensive player/scorer on the court in almost any game he plays if he's on another team.

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Jokic had potential but time will tell! Kyrie is a proven scorer and a champion! Kyrie is a top 10 player, Jokic maybe top 30


Daniel M‏ @DanielM2k2020 21h21 hours ago
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Kyrie Irving is a top 5 point guard in the NBA and a top 10 player

Renan‏ @JulioMostDope Jul 23
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Kyrie Irving is top 10 player in the NBA right now.. And yes better than John Wall


Rick ⛹🏾‏ @1Rickedson Jul 21
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Kyrie Irving is a top 10 player in the NBA. His slander will not be tolerated!

is 25...is there anyone in the league 25 and under outside of Anthony Davis you'd rather have? Maybe Towns

In comment 13538346 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said: Quote: take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5. Outside of Russ he's the best scoring PG in the game. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a #1 pick who is the best offensive player/scorer on the court in almost any game he plays if he's on another team.

All due respect he's not a top 5 player c'mon.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Leonard
Curry
Anthony Davis
Towns
Greek Freak
Wall
Cousins

Without thinking twice

over Wall in a heartbeat

i said Irving will be in the discussion once he leaves Cleveland. With LeBron handling the ball a lot of the time, he can't be the guy

fandom talking...I love Irving. Do you guys remember him in the finals last year? Best player on the court in a few of those games

much harder than it should be.. I think im starting to understand what its like being a Jets fan.

The Knicks gain more leverage each time Melo says how much he doesn't want to have anything to do with the Knicks.

Fine, just wait until he expands the options to where he will play.

He gets the ball plenty. Which makes it all the more weird that he wants to leave. He has never lacked for shots and opportunities.

In comment 13538352 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13538346 ryanmkeane said: Quote: In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said: Quote: take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5. Outside of Russ he's the best scoring PG in the game. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a #1 pick who is the best offensive player/scorer on the court in almost any game he plays if he's on another team. All due respect he's not a top 5 player c'mon. Lebron Durant Westbrook Harden Leonard Curry Anthony Davis Towns Greek Freak Wall Cousins Without thinking twice

You'd take Cousins over Kyrie without thinking twice?

he is top 13 or whatever. Does that really matter? I mean one guy here said top 5 and some people on twitter. And we know the people on twitter are always very level headed educated fans.

I think you could make an argument for him over wall (id take wall) but its also hard to gauge because he has played on a team with Lebron. Pretty much every "star" who has played with lebron has seen his numbers decrease some. If irving was the alpha on his team he might be considered better then wall.

was there. Then Durant left and look what he did. Let me be clear here, I AM NOT SAYING IRVING IS ANYWHERE NEAR RW, it is just an example. Dont need any "Knick fans think Irving is better then westbrook...."

me you are in the severe minority of anyone who thinks Irving is top 5 or will be a top 5 player in the NBA. What difference does 25 vs. 26 make? Leonard is 26 you are taking Irving over him? Jokic is 22, Davis is 24, Towns is 21. Coming into the 2017 seasons CNNSI ranked Irving 25th in the NBA, ESPN 15th.

is a lunatic so I'd take Irving for that reason but if Cousins were not a lunatic yes, without thinking twice. Guy is LEGIT top 5 player in the NBA in terms of talent.

is a great offensive player who can thrive even more than he already has if he can be the main ball handler. He's essentially a combo wing player for the cavs. He's not the PG.

you're considering Jokic over Irving? C'mon man...

Adam Zagoria‏Verified account @AdamZagoria 3m3 minutes ago
Knicks now at 3/1 to land @KyrieIrving per @BovadaLV

That is the best odds of any team (best odds overall still have him staying in CLE)

Creates potential for the rare stroke of luck for the Knicks.

If they can somehow capitalize on LeBron's friendship/comfort level with Melo and not have to send Cleveland an overwhelming package (admittedly Phoenix can offer more), this could be a real turning point for the Knicks.

Assuming a top 10 protected pick is also a part of the deal, what would you rather have?

Kyrie or Frank + garbage from Portland or Houston?

a continuation of the "top 5" argument but any reason why Irving graded so poorly defensively in 2017? Curry was #1 among guards, Irving... 82. THjr was actually #19

Irving plays next to zero defense.

In comment 13538374 ryanmkeane said:

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you're considering Jokic over Irving? C'mon man...

C'mon man? Jokic age 21 season 17 and 10 with 5 assists, 1 block, 1 steal .228 WS/48. He had an absolutely MONSTER season and no reason to believe he's a fluke. He was 9th in the league in WS/48, 8th in PER. He looked like a potential MVP caliber player going forward. What is "C'mon man" about it. You said Irving is a top 5 player away from Lebron. He's just not.

In comment 13538384 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13538374 ryanmkeane said: Quote: you're considering Jokic over Irving? C'mon man... C'mon man? Jokic age 21 season 17 and 10 with 5 assists, 1 block, 1 steal .228 WS/48. He had an absolutely MONSTER season and no reason to believe he's a fluke. He was 9th in the league in WS/48, 8th in PER. He looked like a potential MVP caliber player going forward. What is "C'mon man" about it. You said Irving is a top 5 player away from Lebron. He's just not.

i would take jokic over irving in a second...

actually ranked just behind Middleton, that's pretty shocking. Spoelstra must be doing something right. Tyler Johnson, Josh Richardson and Dion Waiters were all top 14 at the position defensively and Goran Dragic a non-pathetic 30th among guards.

In comment 13538352 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13538346 ryanmkeane said: Quote: In comment 13538341 DanMetroMan said: Quote: take Irving in ONE second but I think he's becoming ridiculously overrated by Knicks fans. He's nowhere near a top 5 player in the NBA. He was 8th among PG's in PER, 23rd overall. I find it hard to believe anyone would really have him near their top 5. Outside of Russ he's the best scoring PG in the game. I don't think he's overrated at all. He's a #1 pick who is the best offensive player/scorer on the court in almost any game he plays if he's on another team. All due respect he's not a top 5 player c'mon. Lebron Durant Westbrook Harden Leonard Curry Anthony Davis Towns Greek Freak Wall Cousins Without thinking twice

I take Irving over Wall and Cousins, but at that point its just nitpicking. The guy is in the top 10-15 range of players in the league.

I disagree there.

In comment 13538378 DanMetroMan said:

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a continuation of the "top 5" argument but any reason why Irving graded so poorly defensively in 2017? Curry was #1 among guards, Irving... 82. THjr was actually #19

seems like the Cavs collectively coasted for much of the regular season last year. Was Irving any better in previous years? If not, then maybe he's just a poor/unmotivated defender.

and Winslow #2 best forward defensively, James Johnson #15. Whiteside "surprisingly" only #10. But you can see why the Heat are so strong defensively despite not having "names". Lets copy whatever they do. Thanks.

but i think defensive metrics still leave a lot to be desired. We have all seen guys who look like crap defenders somehow rank high vice versa. Now im not sure irving is that bad, but he is def worse then most. If you get irving you pair him with an elite defender at SG (you know not JR smith).

If you can get Irving without giving KP u do it. I don't care what contracts come back. Then you evaluate you team. If not, hello Houston I guess.

of winslow's right? ANd im not saying he didnt deserve it, but he did only play 18 games last year.

i meant to say that Irving IS A BAD defender. No idea why i typed is not.

In comment 13538397 Carl in CT said:

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If you can get Irving without giving KP u do it. I don't care what contracts come back. Then you evaluate you team. If not, hello Houston I guess.

That's my thinking

In comment 13538393 Enzo said:

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In comment 13538378 DanMetroMan said: Quote: a continuation of the "top 5" argument but any reason why Irving graded so poorly defensively in 2017? Curry was #1 among guards, Irving... 82. THjr was actually #19 seems like the Cavs collectively coasted for much of the regular season last year. Was Irving any better in previous years? If not, then maybe he's just a poor/unmotivated defender.

2015-2016 he ranked 59th, Curry was #1 that season as well. It's almost understated how good Curry is since "nobody" talks about his defense.

In comment 13538398 Italianju said:

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of winslow's right? ANd im not saying he didnt deserve it, but he did only play 18 games last year.

It's his only skill, no doubt. Just saying "at least" he has that to fall back on. If you shoot 35% from the field, 20% from 3 you better be an animal defensively.

Parker grades out shockingly well in terms of defensive winshares despite his advanced age. That's probably impacted by the Spurs team defensive right? We'll see how it works out but THjr ranked neck and neck with Simmons defensively and obviously THjr is the superior offensive talent (and younger)

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which is MVP candidate, and top 10, which usually means top 12-15 or so.

is pretty awesome, never realized it. They have EVERY stat you can think of.
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TODAY. A MIN contract will do the trick. PG choices, both on the current roster and available, are so slim. Cook is a good defender and had improved dramatically on O since Duke. I'd consider him to be a very solid 15 minute a game point guard.

21/5/4 in SL on 56/50/90 shooting

only 1.7 drives per game, that's pretty low when you see Durant 4.0, Anthony Davis 3.5, Blake Griffin 4.0, Towns 3.0.

In comment 13538427 DanMetroMan said:

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only 1.7 drives per game, that's pretty low when you see Durant 4.0, Anthony Davis 3.5, Blake Griffin 4.0, Towns 3.0.

He played with Melo and has yet to play with an NBA caliber facilitator at lead guard. Two major constraints to floor spacing and good offense right there.

last year he seemed way to content to take threes and mid range jumpers all game.

Steele with a cryptic tweet seemingly implying something is going down.

what did he say?

Burt Steele‏ @burt_steele 3m3 minutes ago
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In comment 13538446 Carl in CT said:

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what did he say?

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(no not kidding)

Isnt the premise that you move without the ball and receive a pass when in a position to score?

In comment 13538455 Deej said:

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Isnt the premise that you move without the ball and receive a pass when in a position to score?

Garbage Derrick Rose was among the league leaders in drives (11th in the league)