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NFT: Portland involved in Melo 3 team trade per Mike Rice

ryanmkeane : 7/25/2017 8:32 am
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It looks like blazers will be part of Knicks 3team trade of Carmelo. No they won't get Carmelo. Stay tuned

I would say Rice would be pretty in the know considering he's the color commentator for Portland, and he wouldn't just put that out there with no info...
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RE: RE: KP  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13538432 Pep22 said:
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only 1.7 drives per game, that's pretty low when you see Durant 4.0, Anthony Davis 3.5, Blake Griffin 4.0, Towns 3.0.




He played with Melo and has yet to play with an NBA caliber facilitator at lead guard. Two major constraints to floor spacing and good offense right there.


That, plus he was shooting an even 40% from 3 last year until January. He should have been shooting from range.
they eye tweet...  
Italianju : 7/25/2017 1:06 pm : link
has to be one of the more obnoxious.....haha
I'm too old  
Carl in CT : 7/25/2017 1:07 pm : link
To figure out tweets.
Ron  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:08 pm : link
Baker, Chasson Randle, Courtney Lee, Brandon Jennings all averaged more drives per game than KP
Ok trade them all  
Carl in CT : 7/25/2017 1:09 pm : link
For Kyrie. (Grin)
A foot from the goal line.  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 1:09 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: KP  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13538459 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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only 1.7 drives per game, that's pretty low when you see Durant 4.0, Anthony Davis 3.5, Blake Griffin 4.0, Towns 3.0.




He played with Melo and has yet to play with an NBA caliber facilitator at lead guard. Two major constraints to floor spacing and good offense right there.



That, plus he was shooting an even 40% from 3 last year until January. He should have been shooting from range.


I dunno. 3.8 FTA per game is really, really low. I don't think that's ideal especially for a guy who can shoot them so well.
The guy's 7'3" with a relatively high dribble.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 1:13 pm : link
Not shocking that he doesn't drive more; not saying it shouldn't improve, but he sure doesn't look great when he drives at present.
RE: Westbrook had a huge usage rate when Durant...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13538370 Italianju said:
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was there. Then Durant left and look what he did. Let me be clear here, I AM NOT SAYING IRVING IS ANYWHERE NEAR RW, it is just an example. Dont need any "Knick fans think Irving is better then westbrook...."


It's a fun discussion, and I'm not trying to get on anybody in here for their opinion, but there's a lot you can say about this.

Westbrook had an all-time great individual season, but that's clearly not the way you want to go about playing 82 games or gameplanning that way to win a title. Russ couldn't even take a five minute breather because the team would fall apart any time he wasn't on the court. Even if the team around him was good you wouldn't want to rely on that so much.

I have no doubt Kyrie could win a scoring title if he just took the ball and ran it up the court, but that isn't really what Knicks fans are hoping to accomplish. At least, that's not what the backlash against Melo has indicated the last couple of years.

If the goal is the build a team from the foundation up and develop young players, seems like you'd really need to find a player that plays defense and is just as concerned with passing as he is scoring.
RE: RE: Isnt the triangle not really designed for dribble drives?  
Deej : 7/25/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13538456 DanMetroMan said:
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Isnt the premise that you move without the ball and receive a pass when in a position to score?



Garbage Derrick Rose was among the league leaders in drives (11th in the league)


Garbage Derrick Rose didnt play the offense. Also, he's an elite drive guy. Even in the triangle, I expect explosive guards to drive. KP is a different story.
RE: The guy's 7'3  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13538480 yatqb said:
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Not shocking that he doesn't drive more; not saying it shouldn't improve, but he sure doesn't look great when he drives at present.


I'm just saying he's more athletic than Frank Kaminsky and Olynyk, no reason guys like that should be driving more than him. I'm 0% knocking KP at all. I love KP. Just think if/when he takes the next step he'll get to the basket more and shoot more FT's.
That Burt Steele  
elisha2014 : 7/25/2017 1:20 pm : link
twitter account has like 400 followers...smells like bullshit to me
perhaps KP started more possessions  
Enzo : 7/25/2017 1:21 pm : link
with his back to the basket compared to some of those other guys? Not as easy to drive from the "pinch post" or down on the block.
RE: That Burt Steele  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13538488 elisha2014 said:
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twitter account has like 400 followers...smells like bullshit to me


He apparently had a previous account. Back in 2015 he supposedly had the Ed Reed/Texans stuff before the media and if you believe his twitter feed was given tickets by Morey. That said, if he's friends with Morey why is he going behind his friends back and leaking stuff?
Potential  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:23 pm : link
"3rd team" update

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Teams with available cap space:

BKN $16.5M
PHI $15.1M
PHX $10.5M
ATL $9.6M
IND $5.6M
SAC $4.3M
DEN $2.7M
ORL $1.3M
LAL .815K
Dan, nothing from your boy Tommy Dee?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 1:24 pm : link
Or have you successfully kicked the habit? lol.
Would be very  
elisha2014 : 7/25/2017 1:25 pm : link
Knicks-esque to trade Melo for hot garbage as soon as Kyrie becomes available.
RE: Dan, nothing from your boy Tommy Dee?  
DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13538497 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Or have you successfully kicked the habit? lol.


All he's been tweeting about is Kyrie Irving and fighting with @oldtakesexposed
RE: Would be very  
blueblood : 7/25/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13538500 elisha2014 said:
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Knicks-esque to trade Melo for hot garbage as soon as Kyrie becomes available.


Assuming Melo has any value to Cleveland.. which I dont believe he will have a high value as he is effectively a power forward now..
RE: Yeah the Kyrie/Lebron situation escalated quickly  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13538148 Keith said:
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and there is no repairing it at this point. I am a little disappointed in Kyrie and how he's handled this situation. Immensely talented, but I'd be a little concerned trading for this guy.


I'm more concerned with Kyrie's lack of defense. He's not a great player. He's a good to very good guard that can score with the best of them. Problem is the opposing guard will score too.

The optics are weird but Lebron is a weird dude too. Who knows what went on behind the scenes. Some are saying that Lebron started crafting trade ideas that included Kyrie without Kyrie's knowledge. Can't say I blame the guy if that's so.
RE: RE: take it fwiw  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13538151 ryanmkeane said:
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sas said on mike and mike, knicks willing to give up anyone except kp in deal for irving, melo to cavs real possibility


Melo, Willy, Frank. Get it done!


No thanks. Melo and one. Not two.
Quinn Cook? Someone actually wants Quinn Cook?  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2017 2:23 pm : link
Insanity. We have enough Dook garbage already.
RE: Bottom line  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13538397 Carl in CT said:
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If you can get Irving without giving KP u do it. I don't care what contracts come back. Then you evaluate you team. If not, hello Houston I guess.


That's a crazy way to conduct team building.

The thought of the Knicks getting Irving does indeed excite me, but slow the hell down guys. This is not a transcendent player here. IRving is a good player. Maybe even a very very good player. He's not a great player. He doesn't play much defense and that's such an overlooked aspect of guard play. He'd be a definite upgrade and possibly could be a boon to KP's development. He could also be a weird selfish player that hinder's KP and does more harm than good here. We have seen this before.

You don't give up every young resource the Knicks possess for this guy. No fucking way.
RE: Quinn Cook? Someone actually wants Quinn Cook?  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13538560 Greg from LI said:
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Insanity. We have enough Dook garbage already.


Who cares about where he went to school and some stupid aversion to an obvious upgrade...all because you like UNC?
Did people start watching Kyrie Irving only in the 2017 finals?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 2:29 pm : link
Based on the impressions of a few posters you'd think people are confusing him with Lebron.

RE: RE: RE: take it fwiw  
TyreeHelmet : 7/25/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13538551 djm said:
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In comment 13538127 nygiants16 said:


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sas said on mike and mike, knicks willing to give up anyone except kp in deal for irving, melo to cavs real possibility


Melo, Willy, Frank. Get it done!



No thanks. Melo and one. Not two.


You have to do that in a heartbeat. Getting Kyrie without trading KP or future 1sts is a grand slam. Also theres zero chance that gets it done.

Kyrie has his flaws but he is an elite shooter- with the ball or off the ball. Lebron good luck finding another PG capabale of that. Drose will be clogging that lane up.
RE: Did people start watching Kyrie Irving only in the 2017 finals?  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13538571 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Based on the impressions of a few posters you'd think people are confusing him with Lebron.


HE's a former first pick who has put up some eye popping stats while winning an NBA title. And he plays a position the KNicks sorely lack. I get why some fans are going bananas over this guy but I always go back to defense. If IRving played D like a poor man's Gary Payton ok fine, do whatever it takes to get him, but he doesn't. He's probably not awful on D but he's not known for his D either.

I'd love to get him but not at all costs. He's simply not THAT good. This isn't Kobe redux.
Portland trades Allan Crabbe to Nets  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 2:35 pm : link
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I don't understand why fans  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:36 pm : link
would rather give up frank (willy) over the future draft pick.

I'd give up a pick or two. I am not giving them Frank and Willy. Future picks carry less weight than rookie talents. Frank was picked 8th and nearly everyone had this guy pegged as a top ten talent. Don't trade that away if you can deal a future pick instead.

i'll say it again and again  
djm : 7/25/2017 2:38 pm : link
Melo plus one legit young asset. Not two. Fuck LEbron and the Cavs. Don't like it? Fish elsewhere. I might do Frank and a future protected pick but even that bothers me a lot.

Melo, Willy and a future pick...ok fine.
Allen Crabbe salary dumped to BK  
elisha2014 : 7/25/2017 2:38 pm : link
Blazers clearing cap - maybe this Melo deal will actually go down today
so Portland can now take on added salary  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 2:38 pm : link
if they choose...one would speculate this is a precursor to the Melo 3 way
Djm  
Carl in CT : 7/25/2017 2:38 pm : link
Give me what resource we possess? Willy and Frank? Cleveland would laugh.
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DanMetroMan : 7/25/2017 2:39 pm : link
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Portland has traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson, league sources tell ESPN.
Let's go Nets! Let's go Nets!  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 2:42 pm : link
I want the worst record in basketball this season.
Burt Steele is on the clock...  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 2:45 pm : link
Three hours....
so  
Pep22 : 7/25/2017 2:45 pm : link
this allows:

NYK gives: Melo;
Gets: Harkless, Hartenstein

HOU gives: RA, IH
Gets: Melo

Portland gives: Mo
Gets: RA

that simple I suppose

RE: so Portland can now take on added salary  
TyreeHelmet : 7/25/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13538582 Pep22 said:
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if they choose...one would speculate this is a precursor to the Melo 3 way


But they are still way over the cap. This doesn't create 19 mill in cap room, just sheds Crabbe's contract.

This is purely a salary dump. Teams had to wait a full year from when the Nets signed Crabbe last year.
very happy with that move actually  
hitdog42 : 7/25/2017 2:47 pm : link
nicholson was dead cap space for 3 more years and not a useful player.

crabbe they clearly wanted last year---

so i guess they are done now... long athletic, and without much size!
What did the Nets  
Metnut : 7/25/2017 2:47 pm : link
get out of that trade?
RE: RE: Did people start watching Kyrie Irving only in the 2017 finals?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/25/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13538576 djm said:
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Based on the impressions of a few posters you'd think people are confusing him with Lebron.




HE's a former first pick who has put up some eye popping stats while winning an NBA title. And he plays a position the KNicks sorely lack. I get why some fans are going bananas over this guy but I always go back to defense. If IRving played D like a poor man's Gary Payton ok fine, do whatever it takes to get him, but he doesn't. He's probably not awful on D but he's not known for his D either.

I'd love to get him but not at all costs. He's simply not THAT good. This isn't Kobe redux.


I would never argue that he's not a world class scorer. He is. But he's not a "sell the house and worry about it later" type of player. He's not carrying KP and a bunch of anonymous players anywhere. Lebron James can't get five minutes of rest time in serious playoff basketball because the Cavs fall apart any time he's not on the floor. Kyrie gets a share of that blame.
RE: RE: so Portland can now take on added salary  
TyreeHelmet : 7/25/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13538598 TyreeHelmet said:
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if they choose...one would speculate this is a precursor to the Melo 3 way



But they are still way over the cap. This doesn't create 19 mill in cap room, just sheds Crabbe's contract.

This is purely a salary dump. Teams had to wait a full year from when the Nets signed Crabbe last year.


This saves Portland 60 mill between luxury tax and Crabbe's salary.

Crabbe also agreed to waive his trade kicker worth 6mill. Why would he do that?
Wondering if courtney lee  
GMEN46 : 7/25/2017 2:51 pm : link
Is going to Portland in Melo deal with Knicks taking back harkless and aminou and fillers does that add up and Portland taking Anderson? I think this fits, but could be wrong
Maybe Crabbe has wanted to be with the Nets  
Keith : 7/25/2017 2:52 pm : link
all along. That's why he waived his trade kicker. I'm sure it has to do with teh culture.
Portland just saved $40M+ in luxury tax and Nets get a good shooter  
Eric on Li : 7/25/2017 2:52 pm : link
solid move for both sides. Crabbe has about $56M left on his deal and Nicholson had $19M left, same term. So Nets basically absorbed $11M per year for Crabbe. Not bad as long as he comes back from the injury without issues. Will probably end up taking over the starting SF spot from Carroll at some point.
I would think Portland needs more than Anderson.  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 2:53 pm : link
Crabbe and Harkless for Anderson is a little much just to be the third wheel to get Melo to Houston.
Will this get done now?  
Keith : 7/25/2017 2:54 pm : link
The question is.....would this trade have happened without the Melo discussions? If not, then obviously this is the precursor.
RE: Maybe Crabbe has wanted to be with the Nets  
hitdog42 : 7/25/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13538610 Keith said:
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all along. That's why he waived his trade kicker. I'm sure it has to do with teh culture.


guys just giving away money to play with the nets--- all culture all the time! haha
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Keith : 7/25/2017 3:03 pm : link

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