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Dunedin81 : 7/25/2017 9:36 am
I didn't want to try to start Yankee discussions on what has become a Mets thread (nothing wrong with that, but it has) so I figured I'd start another one.

Presumably the Yankees are after starting pitching alone, though a 1B and LHRP are possibilities. The two notable depth guys who were available, Cahill and Garcia, both moved yesterday. Maybe someone else ends up on the market, but for now it seems like Sonny Gray and a chance that one or both of JV and Darvish get moved.

Dodgers reportedly want Darvish or no one. Milwaukee might take a run at Gray, and they certainly have the ammo to get it done. The real issue for the Yanks is whether they view Gray as an ace or as a good pitcher. A controllable ace, even with injury concerns, is worth a hefty prospect return. A good pitcher with injury concerns is not.
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Yankees-A's working toward blockbuster  
EddieNYG : 7/25/2017 7:09 pm : link
Trade centered around Gray, Alonso...
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What's the deal with Alonso?  
adamg : 7/25/2017 7:13 pm : link
Are his numbers this year legit or an outlier?
It would be a shame if they gsve up top prospects for Gray.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 7:57 pm : link
He's just not that good. If they gave it up for an ace like Sale and I'd have no problem with it. But Gray? Ugh.
RE: I don't like that package...  
Milton : 7/25/2017 7:59 pm : link
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but Quintana netted an elite prospect and a prospect who falls into the same weight class as the three they're talking about from us.
If you go mlb.com, Jimenez is a weight class above the three they're talking about. He is ranked above every Yankees prospect other than Torres (and that includes Frazier). I may be the only one here who feels this way, but if the Yankees give up Florial, Mateo, and Acevedo for Gray and Alonso, I consider that a win-win deal for both teams. If you can make a trade for a frontline starting pitcher who isn't eligible for free agency for another 2 1/2 years without giving up any of your top three prospects (Torres, Frazier, Adams), you should be happy.
RE: What's the deal with Alonso?  
Greg from LI : 7/25/2017 7:59 pm : link
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Are his numbers this year legit or an outlier?


Outlier, and he's been slumping for a month.
RE: It would be a shame if they gsve up top prospects for Gray.  
Milton : 7/25/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13538915 yatqb said:
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He's just not that good. If they gave it up for an ace like Sale and I'd have no problem with it. But Gray? Ugh.
You're not going to get an ace like Sale for Florial, Mateo, and Acevedo. Hell, Quintana cost the Cubs the seventh ranked prospect in all of baseball (according to mlb.com).
Milton, I just don't think much of Gray.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 8:15 pm : link
I'd have been willing to put one top prospect (e.g., Rutherford or C. Frazier) in a trade for an ace like Sale, along with very good prospects like Mateo and Sheffield or Adams. But I'm not that interested in giving up 3 very good prospects for Gray.
RE: Milton, I just don't think much of Gray.  
Milton : 7/25/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13538930 yatqb said:
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I'm not that interested in giving up 3 very good prospects for Gray.
Yeah, it comes down to your opinion of Gray and where do you see him in the Yankees rotation. He's not Sale, but Sale is one of the top five pitchers in all of baseball.
Sonny Gray  
EddieNYG : 7/25/2017 8:53 pm : link
Fits what Cashman is looking for in trades. Young, controllable assets. Gray is 27 and will be under team control until 2020.

Severino and Gray at the top of your rotation if you lose CC, Pineda and Tanaka (if he opts out) is reason enough to make a deal for Gray.

I don't know what the deal will be, but i'm not getting that worked up over the possibility of losing prospects. All of them are not making the team and all of them are not panning out. Gonna have to deal some at some point to improve the overall competitiveness of the big league club.
From a Mets fan...  
brunswick : 7/25/2017 9:23 pm : link
IF you can put the injury history aside Gray is an elite SP who is 27 years old. Alonso appears to have figured it out. If the Yankees get these 2 major pieces they will have significantly upgraded their roster and have to be considered a top 5 choice to win the WS. People are underestimating how good Gray is.
Sale is a good pitcher...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2017 9:47 pm : link
But he has a 5+ ERA against NYY, Boston and Baltimore, 8+ at Fenway and 7+ at Camden. Limited reps but still something to consider when deciding if he is an ace or not.
Are you talking about Gray, Duned?  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:51 pm : link
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Yes, sorry...  
Dunedin81 : 7/25/2017 9:57 pm : link
My typos are getting more frequent with age.
Gray pitching well in Toronto tonight  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:58 pm : link
I'm so mixed on him.. more down then high
RE: Yes, sorry...  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 10:36 pm : link
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My typos are getting more frequent with age.


Boy, do I know about that! And my Dad just turned 94, and our visit to him (in FL) showed me what I have to look forward to if I reach that age...physical and mental infirmity. Sad and scary.
Speaking of Sale  
mitch300 : 7/25/2017 11:39 pm : link
The Yanks are 2-0 against him this season. Both times no decisions for Sale. Proof that bullpens have a huge impact in today's game.
Nunez to Bosox per Ken Rosenthal  
adamg : 7/26/2017 12:26 am : link
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Source: Eduardo Nunez to #RedSox.
RE: Nunez to Bosox per Ken Rosenthal  
chopperhatch : 7/26/2017 12:32 am : link
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Source: Eduardo Nunez to #RedSox.



Good bat. Does he still suck at fielding?
Yeah, he still sucks.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/26/2017 12:34 am : link
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Mediocre bat  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2017 12:44 am : link
96 OPS+, slightly better than Headley.
RE: Mediocre bat  
chopperhatch : 7/26/2017 12:46 am : link
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96 OPS+, slightly better than Headley.


Mediocre bat? Hes batting .307....like .350 the last 40 games. Hes a very nice bat.
RE: RE: Mediocre bat  
DennyInDenville : 7/26/2017 12:47 am : link
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96 OPS+, slightly better than Headley.



Mediocre bat? Hes batting .307....like .350 the last 40 games. Hes a very nice bat.

Superb speed also

and he will hit more homers in Fenway
He's a hacker without much power  
Greg from LI : 7/26/2017 1:32 am : link
So he's a glorified singles hitter who doesn't walk much and is one of the absolute worst defensive infielders I've seen in my life. They can have him. I've never missed him for a millisecond.
Nunez deal returns  
adamg : 7/26/2017 1:39 am : link
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They're a reasonably patient team...  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 8:49 am : link
they can handle a hacker in their lineup. The issue is more that they don't have a ton of pop. Their top 2 HR guys have 17 apiece, and then they have 3 with 12 and nobody else with more than 6, while playing in a bandbox. Nunez has a little bit of power, but someone like Frazier (even with his BA) would have been a decent get for them. Hell, Devers might have the most pop in that lineup right now.
I agree Dun they just hit their 100th HR last night  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 9:06 am : link
Frankly they have a lot of holes. More so than us. We are 9 games under .500 the past 5 weeks and wake up today all of 1 game out.
They've got a starter you'd take against almost anyone...  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 9:10 am : link
in a one game series, or in two games of a five game series. They've got a shutdown closer. And they're middle of the pack for runs scored, so they're not a terrible offensive team. They have flaws - pitching depth in the rotation and in the pen, lack of power - but on paper they're still probably a better team than we are. We're set up at least as well going forward, without question, but it's easy to overlook them because of inconsistency.
Nunez  
DanMetroMan : 7/26/2017 9:22 am : link
trade makes sense for both sides, I'm jealous the Mets couldn't get something similar for Cabrera.
Problem is a closer, and even a top 8th inning guy isn't enough  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 9:22 am : link
you need at least 3 or 4 arms you can count on every night. The whole season isn't a 1 game series. Besides the rest of their rotation is nothing special. Not bad but not special. I disagree. of course I'm biased but going forward this season I'd rather have our roster. As you saw in Boston in a 3 or 4 game series between us the pens decide the games especially as the series goes on and the innings pile up. Sevi can match Sale for 6 or 7 innings.
Sevi is going to start to have SOME innings considerations...  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 9:26 am : link
If you're Boston, you can pencil Sale in for 7-8 IP (he averages just over 7) and then you have to get through 2 innings.

But yes, after Sale there are a lot of unknowns. Price is pitching well but historically has been terrible in the postseason, whether fatigue or nerves or what have you.

And people are crowing about our historically good pen, but if Girardi is still going to trot out Betances and Chapman for 8-9 and one or both is still messed up, we're in deep trouble.
I'll take the Yankees roster over Bostons  
BigBlueShock : 7/26/2017 9:35 am : link
But Sale is going to be a bitch to deal with in the postseason and that is why it is so important for the Yankees to win the division. Make Boston play the wildcard game and use Sale for that game. If they end up facing Boston in the first round, at least they'd only face Sale once in a 5 game series
I think as long as his shoulder holds up Chappy will be fine  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 9:36 am : link
he has looked a lot more like himself the past week. Either way we have 6 arms to rely on. Adam Warren of all people got the biggest out of the game last night in the 8th. I can't believe how good his numbers are.
RE: I'll take the Yankees roster over Bostons  
Kyle in NY : 7/26/2017 9:38 am : link
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But Sale is going to be a bitch to deal with in the postseason and that is why it is so important for the Yankees to win the division. Make Boston play the wildcard game and use Sale for that game. If they end up facing Boston in the first round, at least they'd only face Sale once in a 5 game series


AL East and AL Central are pretty much locked in to play one another. Astros will get the wild card winner
RE: RE: I'll take the Yankees roster over Bostons  
BigBlueShock : 7/26/2017 9:40 am : link
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But Sale is going to be a bitch to deal with in the postseason and that is why it is so important for the Yankees to win the division. Make Boston play the wildcard game and use Sale for that game. If they end up facing Boston in the first round, at least they'd only face Sale once in a 5 game series



AL East and AL Central are pretty much locked in to play one another. Astros will get the wild card winner

Yeah, good point
Not  
DanMetroMan : 7/26/2017 9:46 am : link
to miller your thread but am I the last person to realize how awesome Whit Merrifield has been? He's like Zobrist 2.0 wow.
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Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 9:50 am : link
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to miller your thread but am I the last person to realize how awesome Whit Merrifield has been? He's like Zobrist 2.0 wow.


What about Marwin Gonzalez?
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DanMetroMan : 7/26/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13539187 Dunedin81 said:
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to miller your thread but am I the last person to realize how awesome Whit Merrifield has been? He's like Zobrist 2.0 wow.



What about Marwin Gonzalez?


Coming off 2015 I ranted about wanting the Mets to go after Marwin Gonzalez, then he "stunk" in 2016 making me look bad but yeah wow. Breakout star at 28.
Marwin Gonzalez has been insane  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 10:08 am : link
man doing it all. plays like 6 positions and hitting for huge power and avg. I saw him and Altuve turn a double play the other day that was insane.
Based on this thread  
Metnut : 7/26/2017 10:52 am : link
I just traded a 2018 draft pick for Marwin Gonzales in fantasy baseball. He's eligible at like all IF positions. Hopefully it works out!
Interesting that Mateo is playing SS today for the 3rd straight day  
TheMick7 : 7/26/2017 11:07 am : link
after being in CF.Obviously showing his versatility to A's,others who might want a SS.
RE: Interesting that Mateo is playing SS today for the 3rd straight day  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13539285 TheMick7 said:
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after being in CF.Obviously showing his versatility to A's,others who might want a SS.


I think anything they say, anywhere they put him or don't put him, is going to be tabloid fodder at this point.
And, Mateo hit a grand slam this AM.....  
TheMick7 : 7/26/2017 1:07 pm : link
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Brett Anderson worth a look?  
LarmerTJR : 7/26/2017 5:32 pm : link
Just DFA'ed.
Anderson has an 8.18 ERA this year...  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 6:24 pm : link
I'd give him a shot at AAA but I wouldn't plan for him.
RE: Brett Anderson worth a look?  
rich in DC : 7/26/2017 6:26 pm : link
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Just DFA'ed.


No- ALWAYS injured- and a bad back has limited him to just 22 innings this year. Almost no chance that he contributes for anyone anywhere this season.
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Dave in Hoboken : 7/26/2017 8:42 pm : link
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Add another entrant into the Justin Wilson sweepstakes: The Yankees.
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rich in DC : 7/26/2017 9:06 pm : link
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Add another entrant into the Justin Wilson sweepstakes: The Yankees.


I think I would rather have Wilson back than a SP. The only question is whether that creates a new problem of actually having TOO many relievers.

Chapman, Betances, Kahnle, Robertson, Warren, Green already in place- Caleb Smith (who really should be given starts instead of Cessa) is around- and so are Gallegos, Holder, Mitchell, Shreve and Heller.

The Tigers might be in the market for OF and relievers- which the Yanks could provide in a trade- could the Tigers be interested in Jake Cave or Heller or Holder or Shreve? Maybe a combination of them and others?
Gray is not elite. He's good, a solid starter. And he's not durable,  
Victor in CT : 7/27/2017 8:16 am : link
he's hurt often. If you can get him without giving up any core prospects fine, but don't cave in and give anything special
Bumping this...  
Dunedin81 : 7/28/2017 9:04 am : link
because the other Gray thread was deleted. Rumors they're insisting on Torres or Frazier. Also rumors the Yankees are chasing Darvish. I hope not, I hope that's just an attempt to get the A's to relent.
no and no. I'd never give up either of those 2 for Gray.  
Victor in CT : 7/28/2017 9:38 am : link
And why give up anything for Darvish when all he'd cost is $$ after the season. And he got lit up the other night. He hasn't been great.
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