I didn't want to try to start Yankee discussions on what has become a Mets thread (nothing wrong with that, but it has) so I figured I'd start another one.
Presumably the Yankees are after starting pitching alone, though a 1B and LHRP are possibilities. The two notable depth guys who were available, Cahill and Garcia, both moved yesterday. Maybe someone else ends up on the market, but for now it seems like Sonny Gray and a chance that one or both of JV and Darvish get moved.
Dodgers reportedly want Darvish or no one. Milwaukee might take a run at Gray, and they certainly have the ammo to get it done. The real issue for the Yanks is whether they view Gray as an ace or as a good pitcher. A controllable ace, even with injury concerns, is worth a hefty prospect return. A good pitcher with injury concerns is not.
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Source in Trenton: Rangers "head honchos" scouting Thunder tonight. #Yankees "called about Darvish." Texas was taking a hard look at Mateo.
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Betances, Castro, Romine, Didi.
I'm not suggesting trading any of them and obviously it would have to be the right deal. I am opposed to trading the likes of Ginger, Torres, Mateo, etc. I'd rather trade the players blocking them for a pitcher pre arb.
I love that so many fans look at Didi as blocking somebody. He'a only 27,has gotten better each year he's been a Yankee. Why would you move a SS who's one of the best in baseball? Maybe we should start looking at Gleyber at 2B/3B rather than at SS as it seems to me that position is already filled!
I saw that also. Just talking about the right trade not just getting rid of him.
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Are any of these players untouchable in deals for a starting pitcher?
Betances, Castro, Romine, Didi.
I'm not suggesting trading any of them and obviously it would have to be the right deal. I am opposed to trading the likes of Ginger, Torres, Mateo, etc. I'd rather trade the players blocking them for a pitcher pre arb.
I love that so many fans look at Didi as blocking somebody. He'a only 27,has gotten better each year he's been a Yankee. Why would you move a SS who's one of the best in baseball? Maybe we should start looking at Gleyber at 2B/3B rather than at SS as it seems to me that position is already filled!
My question was if these players were untouchable in the right deal instead of trading 4 prospects.
I'm not talking about dumping anyone. I was asking if they were untouchable in the right deal.
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Castro is an offseason move if it happens, and probably not this offseason. Betances isn't going anywhere. Romine? I don't think there's a ton of demand for light hitting backup catchers without options.
I'm not talking about dumping anyone. I was asking if they were untouchable in the right deal.
No but that deal doesn't exist. The Yankees aren't trading probably their second best offensive player right now (Didi) and nobody looking to market an ace is trying to get back a flawed 2B with average productivity or an elite reliever. Contenders pursue elite relievers, not rebuilding teams.
IDK... I guess I would have to see what they gave up. It just makes me uncomfortable.
Alonso is a solid hitting lefty 1B who discovered some power this year which can only get better with Yankees RF wall. Hes also a FA after this year so if we want to continue with the Bird experiment we can without being on the hook past this year.
I also think Ellsbury for Verlander is worth a phone call as we have a SP need and the salaries are similar. Might as well exchange a surplus for a need right? A starting rotation of Severino, Verlander, Tanaka and CC isnt so bad IMHO. Ells for Verlander straight up would be a good get.
I also think Ellsbury for Verlander is worth a phone call as we have a SP need and the salaries are similar. Might as well exchange a surplus for a need right? A starting rotation of Severino, Verlander, Tanaka and CC isnt so bad IMHO. Ells for Verlander straight up would be a good get.
Totally agree. I wish Cashman was wired that way. Years of frustration, he probably prefers a 2018 rotation of a FA, Tanaka, Severino, Montgomery and lets say Green.
Of course it would be a good get for the yankees, because it would be one of the worst trades ever made for the Tigers.
It doesn't make any sense.
Im aware we would have to throw them SOMETHING, but it would be a straight exchange in salries. Ellsbury makes about 7 million less per year and can be bought out after '20. It would just save them some money for all intents and might net them a prospect depending on what they would ask for. Im not well versed enough in the minors to speculate on what might get it done.
I am also okay with just keeping Ells as a bench player. Not a bad back up OF, pinch hitter or pinch runner to have at our disposal.
Just saw JV was 34. Yikes. Didnt realize he was THAT old. Im actually good on giving up any prospects gor a guy who will be 38 and earning 22 million.
Alternatively, say he is top 5 Cy Young in 2019. They save $7m each in 2017 and 2019, 2020 is a wash, and then they pay $5m to Ellsbury on the buyout. So they saved $9m total while giving the Yanks 2 years of a Cy Young contender.
Weight the odds of those two situations however you think is most likely. If you are Detroit, you should not make that trade unless you're getting back at least one prospect that you absolutely love.
Alternatively, say he is top 5 Cy Young in 2019. They save $7m each in 2017 and 2019, 2020 is a wash, and then they pay $5m to Ellsbury on the buyout. So they saved $9m total while giving the Yanks 2 years of a Cy Young contender.
Weight the odds of those two situations however you think is most likely. If you are Detroit, you should not make that trade unless you're getting back at least one prospect that you absolutely love.
Conversely, as Dunedin said, there is probably a far better chance that Verlander at 34 is going to continuously depreciate at a rate much higher as a power pitcher than Ellsbury as an outfielder who is still a very good baserunner and, at times, decent bat that can put the ball over the fence.
Either way, I was mistaken in saying the trade made sense for either team.
For what it's worth, if you remove Ellsbury from the equation, I think the idea of taking a 2 year gamble on Verlander may be an interesting proposition for the Yankees if they balk at the idea of giving a guy like Darvish longer money.
The compensation to Detroit would have to be low for me to like it.
Verlander has looked good 4 of his last 5 starts
That makes absolutely no sense for the T's. None.
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Yankees will want Detroit to either pay considerable annual salary or take back salary in the form of overpaid players, if not Ellsbury, then somebody else or multiple players. Yankees don't have much left to offer in the way of the later.
That makes absolutely no sense for the T's. None.
I totally agree.
I think that would be a mistake. Florial and Andujar MAYBE. But def not Florial and Mateo. I really like Mateo as our leadoff guy of the future.
Cue the complainers. And then the complainers about the complainers.
Cue the complainers. And then the complainers about the complainers.
Didnt Girardi say something about Sanchez nursing a groin injury about a month ago? Groins are just as naggy as hammies and worse for catchers. It certainly makes sense if Girardi gives him a day off every few games. Groins need a ton of rest.
Holliday is 5-55 with 4 double plays, 2 RBIs, 2 XBHs, and 3 BBs.
There's just a drastic difference in his numbers with Romine catching him and anyone else. Romine has to start at least once through the rotation so it might as well be with Monty.
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Not in the lineup tonight.
Cue the complainers. And then the complainers about the complainers.
Didnt Girardi say something about Sanchez nursing a groin injury about a month ago? Groins are just as naggy as hammies and worse for catchers. It certainly makes sense if Girardi gives him a day off every few games. Groins need a ton of rest.
Yeah, I'm not going to lose my mind about it with how poor some of his ABs have been lately. The mental rest may be as valuable as the physical that the moment.
Holliday is 5-55 with 4 double plays, 2 RBIs, 2 XBHs, and 3 BBs.
Good point about DH. But theres an argument to keep sending Holliday out there to make him work out of it. Either way, not much of a big deal giving Gary a day off.
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Outlier, and he's been slumping for a month.
Severino and Gray at the top of your rotation if you lose CC, Pineda and Tanaka (if he opts out) is reason enough to make a deal for Gray.
I don't know what the deal will be, but i'm not getting that worked up over the possibility of losing prospects. All of them are not making the team and all of them are not panning out. Gonna have to deal some at some point to improve the overall competitiveness of the big league club.