He puts himself out there in social media for all to see. He has to deal with the good and bad repercussions of his desire for attention. Some love his flamboyance....others wish he would shut up and row.
Nothing extreme about the article. But the thread title is really poor.
* "Tom Coughlin must be fired"....Result: Coughlin wins 2 Super Bowls and is on his way to becoming a Hall of Fame Coach.
* "Eli is the better QB now, but at the end of 2011 Mark Sanchez will be the better QB".....Result: Eli wins 2 Super Bowls, is named MVP in both and is on his way to the Hall of Fame career. Sanchez is bounced from team to team and is now a borderline back-up....
Odell's maturity issues are such a significant issue
because TMZ style reporters like Gary Myers do everything they can to keep the issue in front of the public. If Odell is an issue, Myers can write his Page 6 columns and feel like a kid with a cookie. If people just watch the games and evaluate what happens on the field, Gary Myers and his ilk have nothing to contribute to the discussion.
If we're thinking about the same article, that was Pat Leonard of the NYDN.
As I mentioned in the last podcast, some in the media have already decided that Odell is going to be a problem. It's click bait.
Makes their jobs easy if he is a problem. If he goes about his business without any Josh Norman incidents and finishes with 100/1500/12, they'll have nothing to write about (I guess then they'll stir shit up about contract issues...).
Strawberry and Gooden battled substance abuse for most of their careers and retirement. Odell has some issues with temperament but he's nowhere near as problematic
Strawberry came up very young and was very good, but never as good as we hoped he'd be. (OPS often over .900 in his Met years, but BA not that high.) As good as he was, he was never an OBJ-type star. He was kind of a big baby at times but I don't remember Daryl being a problem on the field.
Gooden came up even younger, and was better than anyone imagined. He was comparable to OBJ; both were/are performing at an all-time great level on their arrival. On the field, Gooden was preternaturally mature from the day he arrived. Can't remember any on-the-field incidents with him as a Met.
OBJ has performed at a historic level but had on-the-field maturity issues. I think he's been very immature at times and done some stupid shit but there's no sign that he's into anything illegal off the field. Does he need to grow up? Sure. A lot of guys his age do. So?
Sure, Odell irritates me sometimes with his behavior. But seriously? Comparing him to two drug-addled pro athletes still struggling to hold onto their legacies before they relapse and OD ... awful.
I think the Daily News has decided to run with the "Odell is a problem" narrative this summer.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
I think the Daily News has decided to run with the "Odell is a problem" narrative this summer.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
I think the Daily News has decided to run with the "Odell is a problem" narrative this summer.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
Intelligence test? And why exactly should Beckham give two craps about what an old crotchety hack like Gary Myers thinks about him? Pffft
I think it's more of an intelligence test for the fans that want to allow the overbearing and overly dramatic media to tell you how you should feel about a player that they can't relate to. It says more about you (and the media) than it does Beckham.
or blogger or sports radio talk show host. Negativity sells. I'm no fan of Carton, but he is absolutely correct. Myers is not writing news. He is writing opinion. When Myers sat down to write the article, he wasn't trying to inform or enlighten. He was creating click bait...plain and simple. The Enquirer sells more copies when Jennifer Aniston is on the cover. Nobody knows why, but it's true. That's why we continually see her at the grocery store register. She's pregnant, she can't get pregnant. She's divorcing, she seeing Brad Pitt again. She's a space alien, she's a werewolf. Whatever. They will make up anything and slap it on the cover to sell units. Same goes for Odell and Gary Myers and the Daily News know it. Carton nailed him and he deserved it.
He simply cites Strawberry and gooden as NY athletes who would be in the hall of fame if they didn't get carried away with themselves.
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
He simply cites Strawberry and gooden as NY athletes who would be in the hall of fame if they didn't get carried away with themselves.
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
The funny thing about perception is that Matt Harvey has done a LOT worse than Odell Beckham, and gets not nearly the amount of criticism nor the wild speculation that somewhere down the line he's going to turn into a criminal.
He simply cites Strawberry and gooden as NY athletes who would be in the hall of fame if they didn't get carried away with themselves.
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
What an absolute garbage post......again. Comparing OBJ to Zeke is so beyond ridiculous. It's not even worth the energy to correct all the stupidity. Go back to typing on your typewriter.
If you want to compare him to Chad Johnson or even TO...
I don't think either is a particularly appropriate comparison, but at least it's apples to apples. Me first, on-field antics allegedly hurting the team, distraction off the field. Fair enough.
But comparing him to two guys who had debilitating substance abuse issues in NY, or to another who can't stay off the police blotter, is ridiculous.
be a pivotal season for OBJ. We will see him with his first clear shot at a Super Bowl. But he needs to have a team pulling with him all the way. It is interesting timing that this article appears just as Odell demonstrates real compassion by his visit to the unfortunate young cancer patient. It is also a sign that just before another season starts, Myers raises questions about one of the Giants. This time though, he doesn't dare to go all in, and risk a real prediction. Looks like he learned a bit from his pratfall in 2011. Though Myers won't risk a prediction, it seems to me that OBJ is, as I felt the 2005-2006 Eli was, the real thing. Sorry, those of you who would consider trading him, I say pay him, and go all in. Odell will, it is suggested, based on watching his development so far, continue to develop, and together with Eli and the rest of this very talented team, dominate the NFL, for a considerable period. Plaxico with more common sense, and greater durability.
I don't think either is a particularly appropriate comparison, but at least it's apples to apples. Me first, on-field antics allegedly hurting the team, distraction off the field. Fair enough.
But comparing him to two guys who had debilitating substance abuse issues in NY, or to another who can't stay off the police blotter, is ridiculous.
How could he use then as examples of NY athletes who never lived up to expectations of their greatness?
what derailed Strawberry and Gooden's careers to "getting carried away with themselves".
I mean, there's a pretty big gap between being active on social media and the cocaine scene in the 80s.
It's a lazy article that recycles old news, but I don't see him comparing their behaviours in any way. Gooden and Stawberry are used as examples along with Revis and Harvey as young NY sports stars that captivated the city but for a variety of reasons each failed tokive up to expectations and potential. He sighted maturity as Odells hurdle and is calling for him to answer Reese's call to grow up. He even gives him credit for achieving more than Jerry Rice to this point in his career, just suggest he look mire to the examples if Jeter and Eli for how to navigate a career as a star in NY.
Again the article is lazy and just repeats old news trying to be controversial but it reaaly doesn't compare his behaviour to them as thread title implies.
The biggest issue I have us his including Lawrence Taylor in any conversation about players falling short of potential. Just ridiculous
The guy was the best CB in the game for a bunch of years. There's a short shelf life for NFL players to be the best.
You would have to go back and read the article for his reasins, I think it was something about coasting after signing for big money. Another stretch if his in trying to make his point.
I couldn't finish it. I stopped after the Harvey reference. Gooden and Strawberry wore out their welcomes with drug use. Harvey has had injuries. OBJ has neither of these issues. His column seems pointless.
Nothing extreme about the article. But the thread title is really poor.
Mission accomplished.
* "Eli is the better QB now, but at the end of 2011 Mark Sanchez will be the better QB".....Result: Eli wins 2 Super Bowls, is named MVP in both and is on his way to the Hall of Fame career. Sanchez is bounced from team to team and is now a borderline back-up....
As I mentioned in the last podcast, some in the media have already decided that Odell is going to be a problem. It's click bait.
As I mentioned in the last podcast, some in the media have already decided that Odell is going to be a problem. It's click bait.
Makes their jobs easy if he is a problem. If he goes about his business without any Josh Norman incidents and finishes with 100/1500/12, they'll have nothing to write about (I guess then they'll stir shit up about contract issues...).
As I mentioned in the last podcast, some in the media have already decided that Odell is going to be a problem. It's click bait.
Myers said similar when he was on with Carton.
Gooden came up even younger, and was better than anyone imagined. He was comparable to OBJ; both were/are performing at an all-time great level on their arrival. On the field, Gooden was preternaturally mature from the day he arrived. Can't remember any on-the-field incidents with him as a Met.
OBJ has performed at a historic level but had on-the-field maturity issues. I think he's been very immature at times and done some stupid shit but there's no sign that he's into anything illegal off the field. Does he need to grow up? Sure. A lot of guys his age do. So?
So has the Post, saw an article comparing Aaron Judge and his humility and respect for the game as an anti-Odell. Completely stupid.
Odell is guilty of one dust-up with Norman and being a passionate, wear-emotions-on-his-sleeve player. That's it.
Yeah, but he also took his obligatory shot at Eli, so fuck him three times, too.
Gary should start by wiping the corners of his mouth
Sure, Odell irritates me sometimes with his behavior. But seriously? Comparing him to two drug-addled pro athletes still struggling to hold onto their legacies before they relapse and OD ... awful.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
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I think the Daily News has decided to run with the "Odell is a problem" narrative this summer.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
Pat Leonard, is that you?
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I think the Daily News has decided to run with the "Odell is a problem" narrative this summer.
Yes. Well all of this is a bit of an intelligence test for Beckham. Given all the drama, if he cannot figure out what he needs to do this season and not what to do, then I think it will provide some insight on what he is. A producer teammate or a peacock?
Intelligence test? And why exactly should Beckham give two craps about what an old crotchety hack like Gary Myers thinks about him? Pffft
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
Of course, things that are supposedly "inexcusable" actually only magnify when somebody has no fucking clue what that word means.
Wait... Myers doesn't happen to go by the nickname "grizz" does he? Hmmmm
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
The funny thing about perception is that Matt Harvey has done a LOT worse than Odell Beckham, and gets not nearly the amount of criticism nor the wild speculation that somewhere down the line he's going to turn into a criminal.
grizz299 : 8:51 am :
The only intention on Myers' part is to further his paper's narrative of OBJ-as-malcontent. That's it. Period. End of story.
The current NY Met Pitcher Matt Harvey may be a better example.
The Dallas Cowboy fans are in complete denial over the pattern of behavior that Zeke is exhibiting. To a lesser degree we are too. OBJ seems self centered and an exhibitionist seeking center stage. Norman was one thing, the net and then proposing to the net to get the camera is another.
The Miami trip and the headlines it garnered is not excusable, the shirts off before the game a pure attention gatherer - and even less excusable.
Against that background, I think he should have made the Optional camp. Instead he sends pictures of him workin out with Chris Cartier another example of "how special" I am.
Makes a simple catch and I think we had a chance for a superbowl. Dallas in their house and Atlanta in ours for a team that was just jelling and I like our chances. Here's the thing, I think he makes those catches if he hadn't brought all the pressure and attention on himself.
So yeah, I think the kid needs a heads up and a warning and I don't think the article is unfair or inaccurate.
NY and fame can make anyone's head spin. 25 million for saying you like a brand of sneakers is crazy and reality distorting. Adulation and the mantle (pun?) of greatness that Jeter carried is a burden that can break a back.
Just look at Matt Harvey.
What an absolute garbage post......again. Comparing OBJ to Zeke is so beyond ridiculous. It's not even worth the energy to correct all the stupidity. Go back to typing on your typewriter.
But comparing him to two guys who had debilitating substance abuse issues in NY, or to another who can't stay off the police blotter, is ridiculous.
My only concern with OBJ is the playoff no show.
But comparing him to two guys who had debilitating substance abuse issues in NY, or to another who can't stay off the police blotter, is ridiculous.
How could he use then as examples of NY athletes who never lived up to expectations of their greatness?
I mean, there's a pretty big gap between being active on social media and the cocaine scene in the 80s.
I mean, there's a pretty big gap between being active on social media and the cocaine scene in the 80s.
It's a lazy article that recycles old news, but I don't see him comparing their behaviours in any way. Gooden and Stawberry are used as examples along with Revis and Harvey as young NY sports stars that captivated the city but for a variety of reasons each failed tokive up to expectations and potential. He sighted maturity as Odells hurdle and is calling for him to answer Reese's call to grow up. He even gives him credit for achieving more than Jerry Rice to this point in his career, just suggest he look mire to the examples if Jeter and Eli for how to navigate a career as a star in NY.
Again the article is lazy and just repeats old news trying to be controversial but it reaaly doesn't compare his behaviour to them as thread title implies.
The biggest issue I have us his including Lawrence Taylor in any conversation about players falling short of potential. Just ridiculous
You would have to go back and read the article for his reasins, I think it was something about coasting after signing for big money. Another stretch if his in trying to make his point.