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NFT: Reds (41-58) @ Yankees (51-46), Tues. Ed.

RasputinPrime : 7/25/2017 6:20 pm
1. Billy Hamilton (S) CF .258/.305/.339
2. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B .259/.358/.461
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B .298/.419/.582
4. Adam Duvall (R) DH .268/.318/.521
5. Patrick Kivlehan (R) LF .212/.293/.404
6. Devin Mesoraco (R) CA .230/.331/.434
7. Scott Schebler (L) RF .236/.316/.485
8. Jose Peraza (R) SS .250/.274/.325
9. Arismendy Alcantara (S) 2B .196/.204/.283

Luis Castillo (R): (35 IP, 3.86 ERA)
vs.
Jordan Montgomery (L): (101.1 IP, 4.09 ERA)

1. Brett Gardner (L) CF .256/.346/.452
2. Clint Frazier (R) LF .295/.302/.607
3. Aaron Judge (R) RF .310/.434/.649
4. Matt Holliday (R) DH .238/.334/.462
5. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .304/.335/.495
6. Chase Headley (S) 1B .266/.348/.383
7. Todd Frazier (R) 3B .125/.222/.125
8. Tyler Wade (L) 2B .138/.265/.241
9. Austin Romine (R) CA .236/.297/.312
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It's time for Robertson to be the 8th inning guy  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:28 pm : link
Bump Betances into Greens role
RE: How did that guy not score  
dpinzow : 7/25/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13538978 bigbluehoya said:
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From first?


Cozart was injured
Warren does the job!! Cleans up Betnces mess!!  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:32 pm : link
Hopefully Chappy looks sharp and gets some swings and misses
Thank you, Warren.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/25/2017 9:32 pm : link
No thanks to Betances. Ugh.
Yup, Betances has to sit down for a while.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:32 pm : link
With the depth of this BP, pitch the guys who are performing.

Praying for more runs, as Chapman/Votto scares me.
Warren Robertson for 8th inning now  
32_Razor : 7/25/2017 9:33 pm : link
Can't trust bettances anymore, the reds are worse hitting team in league
fans with short memories.  
wigs in nyc : 7/25/2017 9:33 pm : link
geezus.
RE: fans with short memories.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13538990 wigs in nyc said:
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geezus.


When he can throw strikes consistently he deserves the 8th inning job back. Till then he's gotta earn it.
RE: fans with short memories.  
Danny Kanell : 7/25/2017 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13538990 wigs in nyc said:
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geezus.


Stupid comment. This is obviously a problem. He has really hurt this team for a while now and showing no signs of fixing it. He can't control his pitches. Its mental.
Kay ripping into Betances a bit and Chapman and Girardi cryptically  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:39 pm : link
He just kind of ranted hard
He was questioning their roles on the team  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
And why Joe won't change things up

Didi!!!! Solo shot!!!  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
4-2 much needed breathing room for El Chappo
Didi with some insurance!  
dpinzow : 7/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
4-2 Yanks
Didi!  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
Big insurance run.
DIDI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:40 pm : link
Big BAT!
RE: RE: fans with short memories.  
Kyle in NY : 7/25/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13538992 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13538990 wigs in nyc said:


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geezus.



Stupid comment. This is obviously a problem. He has really hurt this team for a while now and showing no signs of fixing it. He can't control his pitches. Its mental.


It was his first outing allowing runs since the Toronto meltdown. He's been getting back to what he was. You've already told us how you can't stand him.

Guy's been maybe the best reliever in the league since he came up. A bad stretch and everybody is ready to give up on him. Tough
Just love  
dune69 : 7/25/2017 9:42 pm : link
Didi
RE: Kay ripping into Betances a bit and Chapman and Girardi cryptically  
bluesince56 : 7/25/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13538994 DennyInDenville said:
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He just kind of ranted hard


Kay is right. Why did he go to Betrances when the guy he replaced pitched to one guy and he's right handed also. Plus the Yanks have a one o'clock game tomorrow.
Not a Kay fan  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 9:43 pm : link
but he was 100 percent right. Girardi's been underwhelming this season, and overall I think he's a solid manager.
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Bill2 : 7/25/2017 9:43 pm : link
Whenever I hear Kay doing that kind of rant ( can hear it in his voice) I think it was a planned and planted rant from Levine
Not give up on him, just adjust his role for a time.  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:43 pm : link
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RE: .  
DennyInDenville : 7/25/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13539004 Bill2 said:
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Whenever I hear Kay doing that kind of rant ( can hear it in his voice) I think it was a planned and planted rant from Levine

100% agree. I think we are reaching but it sure does feel that way lol.
RE: .  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13539004 Bill2 said:
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Whenever I hear Kay doing that kind of rant ( can hear it in his voice) I think it was a planned and planted rant from Levine


Ya know, I had a similar thought. You can tell when YES gets the green light to turn up the heat on someone.
Kay is right.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/25/2017 9:45 pm : link
I love Betances, been one of my favorite players on the team these past few years. But the guy hasn't struggled for a few weeks or something. It's been a couple of months. He has shown a few signs of righting the ship recently, but nearly giving up the lead to the worst hitting team in MLB at home isn't acceptable. We need to win these winnable games.
Apparently Al Leiter didn't get the memo  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 9:45 pm : link
because he got quiet for the first time in his life.
I do agree with Kay though  
Kyle in NY : 7/25/2017 9:46 pm : link
the assigned innings must go.
RE: Apparently Al Leiter didn't get the memo  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/25/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13539009 bceagle05 said:
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because he got quiet for the first time in his life.


Okay, this made me chuckle.
Whew!  
yatqb : 7/25/2017 9:49 pm : link
.
Four out of five!  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 9:51 pm : link
I think we're regaining our form.
Nice win!  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/25/2017 9:51 pm : link
What a start by Montgomery. Took a no-hitter into the 6th inning. He needed this start.
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Bill2 : 7/25/2017 9:53 pm : link
I don't take it as about Betances. I grant that's the subject. But its not the object.

Same kind of low end indirect sliming priming the pump before the campaign to drive Torre out ( which I agreed with the objective but not Kay having anything to do with it) or the decisions with Bernie or ARod.

I don't think a corporate shill job belongs in the broadcast.

Notice Kay does not need interviews from the manager so he is free to trash them to prepare the fans
Same game  
Bill2 : 7/25/2017 9:57 pm : link
Kay had the inside answers as to how the FO thinks the Yanks should be doing and why they one a piece or two more.

Levine is a guy who makes a living scratching a corporate itch into an infection.

Picking up on a bosses transient sore point and feeding it is not the same as an actual insight
sorry  
Bill2 : 7/25/2017 10:01 pm : link
why they " want " a piece or two more

I realize its pure speculation on my part but sorry, like Greg with VTech; I don't like Levine and I don't like Kay when he shills ( or tries to get one of the ex players to feed into the rant so its not just him. Leiter did a good job of leaving him out there all alone on that one)
I think what many here  
chopperhatch : 7/25/2017 10:03 pm : link
Dont understand is that you really have to allow players to work out of funks. That is 100% a thing. It didnt cost us tonight thankfully, and didnt cost us last game against the Ms. Girardi has let Chapman work out of them just as he is letting Farzier and Holliday. After a prolonged stretch of there being a better option (Ellsbury) he will go with the hot hand. But yanking a player from his spot in the rotation or lineup shows a lack of faith that might not be able to be regained.

While it is infuriating to watch Dellin walk guys like that, he is special enough where you give him enough leash to work out of it. Now he has the pieces to allow for more of that with DB and AC. But you will see that leash get shorter and shorter as more games are pit at risk.
You could also hear  
bceagle05 : 7/25/2017 10:06 pm : link
how jealous Kay was that Ruocco nailed the Judge HR call in Seattle.
RE: Additionally, Alonso is a free agent  
chopperhatch : 7/25/2017 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13538956 dpinzow said:
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so you might be giving up prospects for a rental in a year where we don't have pressure to win a WS. Gray is team-controlled for 2 more years. I'd make the deal just for Gray


But you see thats the thing, grabbing Alonso is going to give us the freedom to continue trotting Bird out there going forward without committing to him long term. If he plays great, then we have a good problem and a fall back option in case Bird never comes back to what he was.

I cant possibly imagine Cash letting go of major prospects for Alonso. Maybe it'll be a cash thing or a couple minor pieces to fill out the deal.
Alonso would just be a throw-in...  
Milton : 7/25/2017 10:14 pm : link
Think...
Cashman: We'll give you Florial, Mateo, and Heller for Gray.
A's GM: We want Florial, Mateo, and Acevedo.
Cashman: If you want Acevedo over Heller, you need to throw in Alonso.

Or something like that.
Acevedo...  
manh george : 7/25/2017 10:41 pm : link
had a great game--2 hits, 0 walks, 7 ks, but came out after 5 innings. Any ideas why? I know it drizzled, but I don't think there were rain delays. Could it be a trade brewing?
Missed tonight's game  
mfsd : 7/25/2017 11:04 pm : link
But wow, Didi has been scorching hot since the AS break. 18 hits, including 3 doubles and 5 HRs in 12 games.
mg - innings limits  
Del Shofner : 7/25/2017 11:05 pm : link
on some of these young guys?
RE: Kay is right.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/25/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13539008 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I love Betances, been one of my favorite players on the team these past few years. But the guy hasn't struggled for a few weeks or something. It's been a couple of months. He has shown a few signs of righting the ship recently, but nearly giving up the lead to the worst hitting team in MLB at home isn't acceptable. We need to win these winnable games.


I disagree. He hasn't been the completely dominant Betances we've seen in the past, but he's still the only pitcher top 10 in K rate and HR rate among relievers. He pitched well in Seattle and I honestly think (and they think) he needs more work. Obviously he sucked today. But I would expect Joe to go right back to him by Thursday at the latest.

The difference now is that Joe isn't going to let the game get lost with Dellin struggling on the mound.

Great performance by Monty.
RE: RE: Kay is right.  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/25/2017 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13539051 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13539008 Dave in Hoboken said:


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I love Betances, been one of my favorite players on the team these past few years. But the guy hasn't struggled for a few weeks or something. It's been a couple of months. He has shown a few signs of righting the ship recently, but nearly giving up the lead to the worst hitting team in MLB at home isn't acceptable. We need to win these winnable games.



I disagree. He hasn't been the completely dominant Betances we've seen in the past, but he's still the only pitcher top 10 in K rate and HR rate among relievers. He pitched well in Seattle and I honestly think (and they think) he needs more work. Obviously he sucked today. But I would expect Joe to go right back to him by Thursday at the latest.

The difference now is that Joe isn't going to let the game get lost with Dellin struggling on the mound.

Great performance by Monty.


He's shown signs of righting the ship recently like I said in that post. But he's mostly struggled for awhile now. It's a fact.
RE: Acevedo...  
RAIN : 7/25/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13539044 manh george said:
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had a great game--2 hits, 0 walks, 7 ks, but came out after 5 innings. Any ideas why? I know it drizzled, but I don't think there were rain delays. Could it be a trade brewing?


93 innings last year, 111 innings this year and its July.

Uncharted waters, and preventing injury.

Hopefully we are coming out of the 5 week trip through the woods  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 8:28 am : link
we survived with our heads attached as we're just 1 game out of first and the Sox are reeling. The trade we made with Chicago was huge as the added caveat is that we blocked the Sox from a deal they could totally of used. Forget Frazier, they desperately needed High Socks and Kahnle. Their pen is mediocre.
Oh and the best thing thats come out of the past week  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 8:32 am : link
is that Chappy is looking like Chappy again. The command and velocity looks much more back to normal. I won't often say this but I totally agree with Kay's point. There are no need for roles with this pen. We have 6 great arms and they can pitch in any role. Its not overkill. We can now mix and match and not get caught with our pants down and nobody available like last Monday in Minnesota.
RE: RE: Acevedo...  
Beer Man : 7/26/2017 8:34 am : link
In comment 13539055 RAIN said:
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In comment 13539044 manh george said:


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had a great game--2 hits, 0 walks, 7 ks, but came out after 5 innings. Any ideas why? I know it drizzled, but I don't think there were rain delays. Could it be a trade brewing?



93 innings last year, 111 innings this year and its July.

Uncharted waters, and preventing injury.
I've also noticed that the Yank's are pulling most of their minor league starters after 5 or 6 innings as of late.
They do that with their major league starters too  
arniefez : 7/26/2017 8:40 am : link
even if they're at 85 pitches and have given up only 2 hits.
RE: RE: Additionally, Alonso is a free agent  
Beer Man : 7/26/2017 8:45 am : link
In comment 13539030 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13538956 dpinzow said:


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so you might be giving up prospects for a rental in a year where we don't have pressure to win a WS. Gray is team-controlled for 2 more years. I'd make the deal just for Gray



But you see thats the thing, grabbing Alonso is going to give us the freedom to continue trotting Bird out there going forward without committing to him long term. If he plays great, then we have a good problem and a fall back option in case Bird never comes back to what he was.

I cant possibly imagine Cash letting go of major prospects for Alonso. Maybe it'll be a cash thing or a couple minor pieces to fill out the deal.
Agree, but trading prospects for rentals and aging vets has been their forte over the years. That's why the minors were so void of talent up until a couple of years ago. Not too long back Refsnyder considered one of their top prospects. The team has been really exciting since the youth movement, I hate to see Cash potentially mortgaging the farm for short term gratification when he has the pieces for another dynasty if he would just be patient.
RE: They do that with their major league starters too  
Stu11 : 7/26/2017 8:53 am : link
In comment 13539125 arniefez said:
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even if they're at 85 pitches and have given up only 2 hits.

Totally thought it was the right move. Cinci has a ton of power up and down the lineup and 1 bad pitch its a tie game. It doesn't matter what he's done up to that point. When you have Kahnle hot and ready there you go to him 100 times out of 100.
Acevedo and German are on innings limits from here on out...  
Dunedin81 : 7/26/2017 8:55 am : link
5 IP a start.
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