Rumors circulating on Twitter that the Eagles and Bears are talking trade with the Eagles receiving CB Kyle Fuller to help their thin CB corps and the Bears getting WR Jordan Matthews to help offset the loss of Alshon Jeffery who ironically enough signed with the Eagles this off-season.
Thoughts on this trade proposal?
They aren't a win-now team. Why not run with what they have at WR. Meredith + White + Wright isn't a bad group talent-wise
Jordan Matthews does not suck. He's a very solid WR.
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Jordan Matthews does not suck. He's a very solid WR.
He doesn't suck but he's not "very solid" either.
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
This rumor has been floating around for a few months, so I doubt it will happen.
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
They absolutely hate him here in Philly. The drops are the biggest complaint you hear here.
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
In the modern NFL universe. In 2015 on a team where he was forced the ball because they had nobody your numbers average out to 5 catches for 62 yards per game. Hardly a world beater. Plus the injury history and the horrific drops. Huge regression in 2016 from those pedestrian numbers.
Verdict: He Sucks
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
He has had every opportunity to be the guy and hasn't produced. Last year Ertz was the leading receiver on the team. Why do you think the Eagles grabbed a bunch of WRs this off-season?
He's somewhere around average relative to the rest of the league.
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
They absolutely hate him here in Philly. The drops are the biggest complaint you hear here.
That is certainly an overstatement. He's not hated.
You're in Philly now? When did you move here?
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
In the modern NFL universe. In 2015 on a team where he was forced the ball because they had nobody your numbers average out to 5 catches for 62 yards per game. Hardly a world beater. Plus the injury history and the horrific drops. Huge regression in 2016 from those pedestrian numbers.
Verdict: He Sucks
Verdict: Your evaluation skills suck, not Matthews.
There are about 50 WR's in this league who suck. Jordan Matthews is not one of them.
These are the QB's who have been throwing Matthews the ball in his 3 year career:
Nick Foles
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Carson Wentz (R)
Something tells me if Matthews was a Giant, the evaluation would be quite different.
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
He has had every opportunity to be the guy and hasn't produced. Last year Ertz was the leading receiver on the team. Why do you think the Eagles grabbed a bunch of WRs this off-season?
He's somewhere around average relative to the rest of the league.
They grabbed a bunch WR's because he was literally the only one who could play a lick on that team. They were an awful group.
And it's not uncommon at all for a TE to be a top target for a rookie TE.
Matthews is above average. He's no star, but he's decent.
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
He has had every opportunity to be the guy and hasn't produced. Last year Ertz was the leading receiver on the team. Why do you think the Eagles grabbed a bunch of WRs this off-season?
He's somewhere around average relative to the rest of the league.
85/1000/8 is "not producing" ?
You and I have very different definitions of what NFL production is. Not every WR in this league is Odell Beckham or Antonio Brown. Matthews has put up solid numbers when he's been healthy.
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In comment 13539065 arcarsenal said:
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
He has had every opportunity to be the guy and hasn't produced. Last year Ertz was the leading receiver on the team. Why do you think the Eagles grabbed a bunch of WRs this off-season?
He's somewhere around average relative to the rest of the league.
85/1000/8 is "not producing" ?
You and I have very different definitions of what NFL production is. Not every WR in this league is Odell Beckham or Antonio Brown. Matthews has put up solid numbers when he's been healthy.
He's been targeted like a WR1 each of the last two seasons but hasn't impacted anywhere close to a WR1.
Philly seems to agree. I don't think they grab RR and DGB off the scrap heap last year and pick up Alshon/Smith along w a few draft picks this year if they believe in Matthews.
my biggest concern with them this year was the fact they actually added talent to their WR corp so Mathews could go back to being a pain in the ass in the slot.
Jeffery, Smith, Mathews, Ertz is a handfull - assuming Alshon makes it through pre game stretching w/o tearing something.
do it Philly!
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In comment 13539269 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13539065 arcarsenal said:
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In what universe is 85 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 TD's not considered solid WR production?
That's exactly what Jordan Matthews did in 2015 when he played all 16 games and had Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. He had 73 catches for 804 yards last year in a season where he had a bad knee and missed 2+ games with a rookie QB under center.
I get that he's an Eagle and all, but give me a break. The guy isn't an elite WR1 but he's a good player.
He has had every opportunity to be the guy and hasn't produced. Last year Ertz was the leading receiver on the team. Why do you think the Eagles grabbed a bunch of WRs this off-season?
He's somewhere around average relative to the rest of the league.
85/1000/8 is "not producing" ?
You and I have very different definitions of what NFL production is. Not every WR in this league is Odell Beckham or Antonio Brown. Matthews has put up solid numbers when he's been healthy.
He's been targeted like a WR1 each of the last two seasons but hasn't impacted anywhere close to a WR1.
Philly seems to agree. I don't think they grab RR and DGB off the scrap heap last year and pick up Alshon/Smith along w a few draft picks this year if they believe in Matthews.
That's probably because he's not a prototypical WR1 and was miscast as one / forced into that role due to their lack of talent at the position.
Matthews is best-suited in the slot. If he stays in Philly, he'll be much more productive with Alshon on the outside as their top target.
Your second paragraph makes little sense, though. It's like saying NYG doesn't believe in OBJ because they signed Marshall or that TB doesn't have faith in Mike Evans because they went out and signed DeSean Jackson.
I think it's more likely that the Eagles felt they needed more talent at the WR position and tried to address it.
You don't have to be a WR1 to be a solid and productive player. There are countless examples of this across the league.
Do people think Allen Robinson sucks, too? Because Matthews just had a more productive season than he did. I'm pretty sure if I polled BBI and asked if they'd be interested in A-Rob if he were available, most people would say yes.
As far as my 2nd paragraph, it's not like the Eagles added a single complimentary piece at WR. They went dumpster diving last year without success. This year they added Alshon and Smith along with some later round picks. There's only so many roster spots and he's a 3 at best right now. Maybe worse depending on how much they like the picks.
Robinson did suck last year. Does he suck generally? Not sure due to the sample size, but he was awful last year. Most of his meager production came in two games vs the two of the worst corners in the league.
There are a bunch of productive WR's in this league who do more damage on the inside because their skillsets are better fits there.
Doug Baldwin and Larry Fitzgerald are two other guys who have been extremely productive out of the slot. Fitzgerald is a lock for the HoF.
I don't think it matters where a guy lines up.
Edelman, Cobb, Landry, Maclin... all of these guys take a ton of their snaps lined up as Y's and are extremely productive in doing so.
Matthews not being best-suited to line up outside really shouldn't be all that much of a knock.
We're basically arguing over semantics - I strongly disagree with TLG that Matthews "sucks" - he absolutely does not suck. I can put together a list a mile long of WR's in this league who are far worse.
Lastly, I still don't think PHI aggressively adding WR's says much of anything about Matthews. Rather, it says they they didn't like their depth behind him.. which makes sense. Guys like Josh Huff are garbage.
And I don't see why Jordan Matthews would deter anyone from signing Alshon Jeffery. Jeffery is a prototypical outside WR with excellent length. Totally different players.
There are a bunch of productive WR's in this league who do more damage on the inside because their skillsets are better fits there.
Doug Baldwin and Larry Fitzgerald are two other guys who have been extremely productive out of the slot. Fitzgerald is a lock for the HoF.
I don't think it matters where a guy lines up.
Edelman, Cobb, Landry, Maclin... all of these guys take a ton of their snaps lined up as Y's and are extremely productive in doing so.
Matthews not being best-suited to line up outside really shouldn't be all that much of a knock.
We're basically arguing over semantics - I strongly disagree with TLG that Matthews "sucks" - he absolutely does not suck. I can put together a list a mile long of WR's in this league who are far worse.
Lastly, I still don't think PHI aggressively adding WR's says much of anything about Matthews. Rather, it says they they didn't like their depth behind him.. which makes sense. Guys like Josh Huff are garbage.
And I don't see why Jordan Matthews would deter anyone from signing Alshon Jeffery. Jeffery is a prototypical outside WR with excellent length. Totally different players.
I think there's a difference between a guy who moves around and takes snaps out of the slot to exploit defenses and guys who have to play out of the slot because they can't beat the corners and the sideline.
Sheppard had a bitter sweet rookie year. He made some nice plays but I expected a little more with the attention on Beckham. He was pretty impotent on the outside. I hope he's not a guy that has to play out of the slot like Cruz.
Fitz, Baldwin, Edelman, and Maclin have proven throughout their careers that they can play outside. Cobb is a guy that has to play in the slot and has to have good players around him (see production with Jordy out).
A guy's value has to take a hit if he has to play slot even if he's one of the better slot guys in the league. Doesn't play every snap and needs talent on the outside to be successful.
In any event, like I said in my original post he doesn't suck. But I don't think he's that good either. I think he'd struggle to make some teams around the league, including the Giants.
The Patriots are probably the only team that would consider not carrying him because all of their best WR's play better inside. He'd make just about any other team in the league easily.