In a season marked by extensive leaks and detective work, this might be the episode that has been spoiled in the greatest detail. And that was before the script was allegedly hacked this week. I'll try to avoid any of the leaked material. That said, the Episode Four preview gave away a lot, and the prior spoilers color the interpretation of certain shots. In short, READ NO FURTHER IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN UNSULLIED.
1) Cersei appears to have secured the Iron Bank's support, contingent on safe delivery of the Tyrell gold.
2) Jaime has taken possession of the loot that provides the episode's title, but he looks less than confident about transporting it. Long, Westworldesque establishing shots suggest that he and Bronn have a lot of open ground to cross, which could be a problem when the enemy has a Dothraki horde (unbeatable in the open plain) and three you-know-whats.
3) Speaking of the you-know-whats, Daenerys has lost her Westerosi allies and most of her patience with Tyrion's clever plans. It's just about "Dracarys" time. I figured Dany would hold her, um, fire for another week or two; but when a preview closes with a shot of Drogon, somebody's gonna get lit up.
4) Jon is exploring caverns by torchlight. Is that obsidian on the walls?
5) Theon appears to get his groove back - at least enough to pull a rowboat ashore with a determined expression.
6) A lone, diminutive rider eyes Winterfell from a distance. By all appearances, a girl returns home.
7) Sansa exudes administrative competence.
8) Baelish exudes whatever it is Baelish always exudes.
9) Pod takes another beating - probably from Brienne, but at some point he and his magic dick are going to see actual combat.
10) A dagger - possibly one we've been wondering about for quite a while - figures prominently.
11) Another quiet week north of the Wall. I'm not sure who's slower - Gendry in a boat or the Night's King on horseback.
1. After Bronn missed with his first crossbow attempt, why did Dany try to take it again instead of avoiding it altogether? It's literally the only weapon they have against Drogon. She could have flown to the back of the Dothraki, said "get rid of that crossbow" and then continued to flame on the Lannister army.
2. Wouldn't the water have been crazy hot after Drogon's flame?
3. Only Missandei, Dany and Jon went into the cave -- but somehow Davos is with them when they leave the cave and meet up with Varys and Tyrion?
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
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really isn't going to ever walk? I know this from the "you will never walk again, but you will fly" line (from the three-eyed rave before him?) but still find myself holding out hope. First chapter of the book all those years ago.
I hate what he's become, he's like the Stephen Hawking of Westeros.
You mean his sullen disposition? I don't know if it's been overtly shown yet, but can Bran see the future too? Could that be the reason he seems so broken?
I don't think he can see the future, or at least not in certain terms, because he said to Arya "I thought you'd go to Kings Landing" seeming surprised she was there.
So, how could Robert's pride put her in danger? If anything he'd want to rescue her, just like the Ned and his forces tried to do/did.
I don't believe anyone felt the kidnap was a ruse, so I don't find it believable Robert would be interested in harming Lyanna (especially with Ned his close friend) so they'd need to protect her from the Starks/Robert.
Not believable to me.
Lyanna wasn't worried about Robert hurting her... She was worried about him hurting her baby... Who ever that may be!
That wasn't her assassin training - that was her water dancing training with Sylvio Forel. Which was no secret...
My understanding is that they dont know he died.
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Dany, the dothraki and the Unsullied, and rest of her crew besides Varys or Tyrion know that Jon Snow's vow was until death and his vow ended with his "death".
My understanding is that they dont know he died.
I know, I'm saying the only ones who would even know or care would be Varys or Tyrion.
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(saw someone ask this on twitter): How come no one on Dragonstone is asking Jon why he is not in the Nights Watch? Leaving the Nights Watch at all (no less so than to take up as King in the North) is punishable by death. You'd think that since Dany and her crew already view Jon as a pretender king that there would be an acknowledgment of this.
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
Really, after giving a speech about how some Start X generations ago made a vow to her family?
Her entire claim to legitimacy is based on holding to the oaths of the realm. Lost in all her revolutionary fervor is that she has generally been a real law and order ruler.
Been there done that
Good point. That would be overkill, wouldn't it? Yep
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
ARYA will be the one to kill CERSEI! She is on her list.......
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is a set up for her killing a/some white walkers.
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
ARYA will be the one to kill CERSEI! She is on her list.......
You don't ay
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(saw someone ask this on twitter): How come no one on Dragonstone is asking Jon why he is not in the Nights Watch? Leaving the Nights Watch at all (no less so than to take up as King in the North) is punishable by death. You'd think that since Dany and her crew already view Jon as a pretender king that there would be an acknowledgment of this.
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
Really, after giving a speech about how some Start X generations ago made a vow to her family?
Her entire claim to legitimacy is based on holding to the oaths of the realm. Lost in all her revolutionary fervor is that she has generally been a real law and order ruler.
If anything, she comes off interested in her claim because she's power hungry and desperately "wants" to rule and it fits her narrative. I don't know. For me it just doesn't fit her character at this time. She's been gone from Westeros since she was a girl and the moment she gets back she's going to start crucifying people for breaking vows with everything else going on? If Tywin was still ruling, or even somebody like Tully who's ingrained in Westeros affairs over the last 20 years it would make a lot more sense. Just my opinion though.
We don't know where Edmure is now. If Jaime kept his promise, Edmure and his unlucky little family should be under Ironborn siege at Casterly Rock, with the Unsullied.
Unless of course Dickon decides to pursue it along with his family sword. Dickon didn't seem like an asshole though.
Unless of course Dickon decides to pursue it along with his family sword. Dickon didn't seem like an asshole though.
And Sam is now rightful Tarly heir, over Dickon unless being a member of the Night's Watch, which Sam still technically is, changes heir (I think it might), but either way Dickon seemed nothing like his father.
Olenna's parting advice has sunk in. Daenerys is seeking a balance between Margaery (beloved, but dead) and Cersei (monstrous, but Queen). Dany is a dragon, and - breaker of chains or no breaker of chains - she has to be a dragon.
Aerys wasn't crazy to burn his enemies. His madness was that he couldn't tell enemies from friends, and wound up wanting to burn them all. Yes, Daenerys harbors ominous misgivings about some of her allies, like Tyrion and Varys; under the circumstances, that's prudent, not crazy. Didn't they both sit on Joffrey's Council? And doesn't Tyrion still have a big soft spot for the Lannister commander? That's a potential problem - though I suspect the reciprocal soft spot on Jaime's side will be more important one in the end.
In the books, he doesn't really dwell on the methods of coming and going from Dragonstone because you're not there very long. Stannis starts out holding it and doesn't stay there very long before he goes to the mainland and gets his ass kicked.
I did have some transportation questions as well. Kings landing is very close to Dragonstone and, by the renderings I've seen, basically in a straight line from Dragonstone to high garden. When I saw the Dothraki, I was like, uh, how did they get over there? Presumably they met on the road to Kings Landing. Probably overthinking a show about dragons, but Martin definitely thinks about this stuff as he writes the books. The shows? Maybe not as much.
Bronn was on top of his game last night lol...I wonder sometimes if he was to be killed off long ago, but proved to be so good at offering a little comedy that the writers keep having him dodge the reaper
I remember they said something about ships on the last episode, but I dont remember exactly what.
Bronn was on top of his game last night lol...I wonder sometimes if he was to be killed off long ago, but proved to be so good at offering a little comedy that the writers keep having him dodge the reaper
I read a review for this episode that stated Bronn and Lady Olenna both wound up getting bigger roles because of how funny they were. Bronn nails every scene. I loved how Tyrion quoted his "I'll impregnate the bitch" line, too.
That was essentially the same exact thing Jon said to Mance Rayder when trying to convince Mance to bend the knee to Stannis in season 5
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is a set up for her killing a/some white walkers.
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
ARYA will be the one to kill CERSEI! She is on her list.......
You don't ay
My money's on Jamie killing Cersei - killing the mad queen
It's vague enough that it may not be the same person that kills her, but my money is on Sansa, as I am starting to think that there will be many more heartbreaking deaths of major characters before the curtain closes.
Of course, it could easily be Danaerys, but it's fun to speculate for sure. Really can't put anything past GRRM.
It's vague enough that it may not be the same person that kills her, but my money is on Sansa, as I am starting to think that there will be many more heartbreaking deaths of major characters before the curtain closes.
Of course, it could easily be Danaerys, but it's fun to speculate for sure. Really can't put anything past GRRM.
That part happened already with Margery all the other parts have also come to fruition except the last part
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on Cercei from Maggy the wood witch, states that she would cast down by a younger, more beautiful queen, who would take all that she holds dear.
It's vague enough that it may not be the same person that kills her, but my money is on Sansa, as I am starting to think that there will be many more heartbreaking deaths of major characters before the curtain closes.
Of course, it could easily be Danaerys, but it's fun to speculate for sure. Really can't put anything past GRRM.
That part happened already with Margery all the other parts have also come to fruition except the last part
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And when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." "Valonqar" means "little brother" in Valyrian
Interesting....I should have known there must be a good reason why so many people think it's going to be Jamie. Still, why not Tyrion then ?
-Most converstations between Sansa and Littlefinger revolve around "do we have enough food" and "Cersie is dangerous and will come for us someday". Could the Golden Company the Cersie now has the credit to buy, actually land in the North?
-After that "Chaos is a Ladder" line, do you think Littlefinger believes Bran can "see" all things or will he guess that Bran is somehow an agent of Varys?
-Something is going to go down between Littlefinger and the Stark kids. I have no idea what.
-It makes for great scenery, but its kind of funny how there is awlays someone different standing and staring into the distance at a random spot along that staircase/storm wall at Dragonstone.
-How long was Meera in Winterfell. Couldn't someone get her some clean clothes, or is she really into the Wildling look now? I was hoping we would get some scenes with her and Arya together, hopefully she is back at sompoint in the series. I'd love the show to showcase Greywater Watch and the Cranogmen, but that probably won't happen, even next season.
-So Danaerys went from complaining how whe won't be able to feed her army, because the Lannisters took Highgarden, to intenntionally destroying all of the food wagons.
-Cersie got the gold. She can purchase a new army and new provisions, while Dany now has to beg Jon for the food Sansa has been carefully storing (just a guess). Even in defeat, Cersie still kind of wins.
-Most converstations between Sansa and Littlefinger revolve around "do we have enough food" and "Cersie is dangerous and will come for us someday". Could the Golden Company the Cersie now has the credit to buy, actually land in the North?
-After that "Chaos is a Ladder" line, do you think Littlefinger believes Bran can "see" all things or will he guess that Bran is somehow an agent of Varys?
-Something is going to go down between Littlefinger and the Stark kids. I have no idea what.
-It makes for great scenery, but its kind of funny how there is awlays someone different standing and staring into the distance at a random spot along that staircase/storm wall at Dragonstone.
-How long was Meera in Winterfell. Couldn't someone get her some clean clothes, or is she really into the Wildling look now? I was hoping we would get some scenes with her and Arya together, hopefully she is back at sompoint in the series. I'd love the show to showcase Greywater Watch and the Cranogmen, but that probably won't happen, even next season.
-So Danaerys went from complaining how whe won't be able to feed her army, because the Lannisters took Highgarden, to intenntionally destroying all of the food wagons.
-Cersie got the gold. She can purchase a new army and new provisions, while Dany now has to beg Jon for the food Sansa has been carefully storing (just a guess). Even in defeat, Cersie still kind of wins.
Cersei got the gold she wanted, but everyone is going to need food supplies. Can't eat gold.
It goes very in depth with these symbols and the golden ratio. More than is probably needed for the show. But there are some beautiful shots from the show in this video, and it does seem that the show runners are intentially leaving behind certain patterns and symbols in some of these shots.
I couldn't find the screenshot, from Sunday, of the drawing show the first men and CoF together, but I remember seeing both the circle with line though it and the spiral underneath the figures.
It probably doesn't mean much for the plot of the show, but it is neat how they have built this visual connection between all these stories, going back to the very first episode.
Game of Thrones Theory: The Secret Behind the Symbols - ( New Window )
In the books, if I remember right, isn't the Golden Company still with Jon Connington and Young Griff?
Generally they go to the highest bidder, and have no allegiances, sort of like the unsullied but greedy.
I lost track if Jon Connington left the Golden Company or if they're still with him, but cutting out the whole young griff character has major story line implications far more than the elimination of the other characters they omitted like Lady Stonehart or Vargo Hoat for example.
I think Edric Storm is another big miss (two bastards folded in to one)?
the claims to the throne are neat and tidy on the show, not so clear cut in the books.
I heard the reference to the golden company, but I'd rather not see them half-assed introduced (though this show does nothing half assed).
I just feel something is going to go down with Sansa and all that food shes been storing. Right now all I can think of is, either Cersie will attack with Goldn Company or Jon will offer to Dany instead of bending the knee.
Some jerkoff in my office decided to read up on everything that happens the rest of the season, and just dropped a hint about a major spoiler to me.
Not sure what made him think this would be a cool thing to do, but I essentially told him I'd turn him into my own personal Reek if he opens his mouth again anywhere near me before the season ends.
I enjoy the BBI threads bc all of you do a great job of discussing theories without spoiling shit in advance - be careful to avoid the fucks out there who can't help themselves
Some jerkoff in my office decided to read up on everything that happens the rest of the season, and just dropped a hint about a major spoiler to me.
Not sure what made him think this would be a cool thing to do, but I essentially told him I'd turn him into my own personal Reek if he opens his mouth again anywhere near me before the season ends.
I enjoy the BBI threads bc all of you do a great job of discussing theories without spoiling shit in advance - be careful to avoid the fucks out there who can't help themselves
I agree its a problem. I was so excited when the show caught up to the books. I didn't think I would have to deal with spoilers again.
I tend to read reviews and breakdowns on winteriscoming.net. They will always warn ahead of time if there is a possible spoiler in an article. But, you still have to stay away from the comment sections on sights like this - some people are just dicks.
Some jerkoff in my office decided to read up on everything that happens the rest of the season, and just dropped a hint about a major spoiler to me.
Not sure what made him think this would be a cool thing to do, but I essentially told him I'd turn him into my own personal Reek if he opens his mouth again anywhere near me before the season ends.
I enjoy the BBI threads bc all of you do a great job of discussing theories without spoiling shit in advance - be careful to avoid the fucks out there who can't help themselves
That sucks. I know book readers have gotten upset or impatient with R.R. and I feel kinda bad for those who knew how to act, but there were so many book readers who (like you said) just can't help themselves. I was thrilled when the show moved ahead of the books, because fuck those people.
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I'd love it if the Golden Company is brought North. It adds a new element to everything that's current going on up there since this whole white walker thing is taking its sweet time.
I just feel something is going to go down with Sansa and all that food shes been storing. Right now all I can think of is, either Cersie will attack with Goldn Company or Jon will offer to Dany instead of bending the knee.
Sansa and Cersei have both mentioned food supply so many times to think it's going to be a plot tool at some point is not an unrealistic theory.
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I'd love it if the Golden Company is brought North. It adds a new element to everything that's current going on up there since this whole white walker thing is taking its sweet time.
I just feel something is going to go down with Sansa and all that food shes been storing. Right now all I can think of is, either Cersie will attack with Goldn Company or Jon will offer to Dany instead of bending the knee.
Sansa and Cersei have both mentioned food supply so many times to think it's going to be a plot tool at some point is not an unrealistic theory.
Sansa can always eat shit.
I haven't read them but by accident I got spoiled on something in these final 3 episodes because the damn website had zero care and printed it right in the headline. So you have to be very careful. Even searching something Game of Thrones related may cause trouble.