In a season marked by extensive leaks and detective work, this might be the episode that has been spoiled in the greatest detail. And that was before the script was allegedly hacked this week. I'll try to avoid any of the leaked material. That said, the Episode Four preview gave away a lot, and the prior spoilers color the interpretation of certain shots. In short, READ NO FURTHER IF YOU WISH TO REMAIN UNSULLIED.
1) Cersei appears to have secured the Iron Bank's support, contingent on safe delivery of the Tyrell gold.
2) Jaime has taken possession of the loot that provides the episode's title, but he looks less than confident about transporting it. Long, Westworldesque establishing shots suggest that he and Bronn have a lot of open ground to cross, which could be a problem when the enemy has a Dothraki horde (unbeatable in the open plain) and three you-know-whats.
3) Speaking of the you-know-whats, Daenerys has lost her Westerosi allies and most of her patience with Tyrion's clever plans. It's just about "Dracarys" time. I figured Dany would hold her, um, fire for another week or two; but when a preview closes with a shot of Drogon, somebody's gonna get lit up.
4) Jon is exploring caverns by torchlight. Is that obsidian on the walls?
5) Theon appears to get his groove back - at least enough to pull a rowboat ashore with a determined expression.
6) A lone, diminutive rider eyes Winterfell from a distance. By all appearances, a girl returns home.
7) Sansa exudes administrative competence.
8) Baelish exudes whatever it is Baelish always exudes.
9) Pod takes another beating - probably from Brienne, but at some point he and his magic dick are going to see actual combat.
10) A dagger - possibly one we've been wondering about for quite a while - figures prominently.
11) Another quiet week north of the Wall. I'm not sure who's slower - Gendry in a boat or the Night's King on horseback.
If Dany takes over she'll need Tyrion/Varys to handle that aspect.
Been there done that
If Dany takes over she'll need Tyrion/Varys to handle that aspect.
How soon will Varys jump ship for the good of the realm?
He was in one scene. And saved Jamie.
Littlefinger might try to kill Bran, because his past schemes are all at risk of being revealed.
Yeah, but i'll be shocked if it ends any other way than Arya killing LF (before he gets to Bran) with the dagger. Seems just too perfect an ending to that storyline.
Did Sam Turly's father die in the battle? I thought I saw him burning to death, but they didnt give it much air time if it were the case.
Yup, pretty sure he burned up
A bit too much Iron Bank. Also, it's dumb to completely pay off the Iron Bank, no? Now the Iron Bank can be a free agent and back Dany without risking their Lannister investment. Your lenders love you when you pay off loans, but the NEED you when you havent paid off loans.
A bit too much Iron Bank. Also, it's dumb to completely pay off the Iron Bank, no? Now the Iron Bank can be a free agent and back Dany without risking their Lannister investment. Your lenders love you when you pay off loans, but the NEED you when you havent paid off loans.
I think the idea is, now that she has paid off the loans, she will be taking on a new line of credit with the bank. She mentioned hiring the Golden Company.
She will also need food now that Dany has burned every last bit in the Kingdom, just as winter arrived. Some character has mentioned the need for food in every episode so far this season. It going to be a big deal.
In fact I would argue that Cersie, somehow came out on top after this defeat. Dany's army will be crippled if she can't feed them and Cersie can now afford to not only replace her Lannister army, but also provision them as well.
1) I try to misdirect Bran with the dagger ( so he feels safe and safe about Littlefinger?) and plant the idea that it could not have been me behind the second attempt to kill Bran by claiming my lifes work is undying loyalty to his mother.
2) He nails my shit to the wall in a searing way
3) Arya shows up...not necessarily a terrible imposition. Normally I'd keep Sansa wary of her except Sansa seems firm in resisting my efforts to steer or introduce doubts
4) But now Bran has given the dagger to Arya. Ok...weird
5) Arya shows she has a very cold and capable side and cards she is not yet playing
6) The episode ends with Sansa, Bran and Brienne all wary and putting no value on Littlefingers life.
Then an exhibition of a surprising and mysterious/ominous life force/backstory on Arya.
Then the episode ends with Arya's eyes in clear calculation and wariness of Littlefinger on the balcony. Add him to The List?
Littlefinger's problem with the Starks is that unlike any other folks he manipulated, they don't need anything from him. His only option to take them away from a focus on the White Walkers is to invite Cersei into the North or get the Robin of the Vale to march back home.
Nor is Sansa a prize for marrying her gets you a room at Winterfell once Jon is back.
How can he get Cersei's interest?
Well after the attack on the wagon train...who in the realm has stores of grain? And no military commander of note?
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The Arya stuff was amazing, and the battle scene was the best of the series IMO.
A bit too much Iron Bank. Also, it's dumb to completely pay off the Iron Bank, no? Now the Iron Bank can be a free agent and back Dany without risking their Lannister investment. Your lenders love you when you pay off loans, but the NEED you when you havent paid off loans.
I think the idea is, now that she has paid off the loans, she will be taking on a new line of credit with the bank. She mentioned hiring the Golden Company.
She will also need food now that Dany has burned every last bit in the Kingdom, just as winter arrived. Some character has mentioned the need for food in every episode so far this season. It going to be a big deal.
In fact I would argue that Cersei, somehow came out on top after this defeat. Dany's army will be crippled if she can't feed them and Cersie can now afford to not only replace her Lannister army, but also provision them as well.
Interesting point you make about Cersei - 2 straight episodes of sacrificing lots of Lannister soldiers, intentionally then unintentionally, and yet through the Iron Bank connection and Euron's presence, she's effectively lured the bulk of Daenerys's forces out in the open in a foreign country with potentially very limited transportation capabilities or provisions.
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
1) I try to misdirect Bran with the dagger ( so he feels safe and safe about Littlefinger?) and plant the idea that it could not have been me behind the second attempt to kill Bran by claiming my lifes work is undying loyalty to his mother.
2) He nails my shit to the wall in a searing way
3) Arya shows up...not necessarily a terrible imposition. Normally I'd keep Sansa wary of her except Sansa seems firm in resisting my efforts to steer or introduce doubts
4) But now Bran has given the dagger to Arya. Ok...weird
5) Arya shows she has a very cold and capable side and cards she is not yet playing
6) The episode ends with Sansa, Bran and Brienne all wary and putting no value on Littlefingers life.
Then an exhibition of a surprising and mysterious/ominous life force/backstory on Arya.
Then the episode ends with Arya's eyes in clear calculation and wariness of Littlefinger on the balcony. Add him to The List?
Littlefinger's problem with the Starks is that unlike any other folks he manipulated, they don't need anything from him. His only option to take them away from a focus on the White Walkers is to invite Cersei into the North or get the Robin of the Vale to march back home.
Nor is Sansa a prize for marrying her gets you a room at Winterfell once Jon is back.
How can he get Cersei's interest?
Well after the attack on the wagon train...who in the realm has stores of grain? And no military commander of note?
Whoa. I see where you're going with that...very interesting theory.
IMO, Littlefinger has been too prominent a character for too long to simply linger at Winterfell waiting for some combo of Starks + Brienne to get tired of his act and kill him. He very likely has a nefarious part to play yet (especially as he likely now realizes Bran knows everything - 2nd attempt on Bran's life, selling out Ned Stark in season 1, etc)
i wanted to see more battle and i wanted someone to die.
Where's a warg when you need one ?
he merely suggests to Sansa that "sharing" the food gets her peace with Cersei ( who by now has heard it was Oleanna and not Sansa) and a pledge for soldiers to help Jon when he returns.
Sansa also thinks Jon is not taking care of his people but off on an adventure that "might" be a threat someday.
She may not be against Jon as a person but her view of him is that he is not practical in the here and now.
So she makes a deal.
its all speculation but you do know that Sansa/Jon love respect and tension based on tactics is not going away as a story line. Sansa is not ambitious but she does have a different point of view about what "protecting her people means"
So anyway...that's one way two pretty big characters get to play out their arcs. Not sure they have time for this subplot in the entire storyline but its easy to see how it could happen with Jon off scouting in the north
I hate what he's become, he's like the Stephen Hawking of Westeros.
If anything, Daenyrys was tipped of where Jaime was by a scout as they were very visible and it was a very long procession back from Highgarden.
Cersei is in a tougher spot re: food. Sure she can buy it but how does she get it into the city if Dany and her forces have them surrounded?
I hate what he's become, he's like the Stephen Hawking of Westeros.
You mean his sullen disposition? I don't know if it's been overtly shown yet, but can Bran see the future too? Could that be the reason he seems so broken?
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really isn't going to ever walk? I know this from the "you will never walk again, but you will fly" line (from the three-eyed rave before him?) but still find myself holding out hope. First chapter of the book all those years ago.
I hate what he's become, he's like the Stephen Hawking of Westeros.
You mean his sullen disposition? I don't know if it's been overtly shown yet, but can Bran see the future too? Could that be the reason he seems so broken?
I didn't realize he could see the future, I thought he only knew everything that ever happened.
but that could explain it.
Cersei is in a tougher spot re: food. Sure she can buy it but how does she get it into the city if Dany and her forces have them surrounded?
But as we heard in the begining of the episode, Jaime removed all stored food from Highgarden and then sent Bronn and the Tarlys to collect from the rest of the Reach. With winter here, there won't be time to grow and harvest more.
Sansa is the "smart ant" back at winterfell, making sure there is plenty of food and provisions for the winter. Soon though, the "grasshoppers" will come around looking to take it all.
I think she went to "train" (spar) against Brienne under the watchful eye of Sansa and Littlefinger expressly to give them a flavor of what she has learned in her time away. Between that and her free disclosure of the list (which Sansa was dismissive of), she's not keeping big secrets. She may not tell them about being faceless, but Bran knows anyway.
1. After Bronn missed with his first crossbow attempt, why did Dany try to take it again instead of avoiding it altogether? It's literally the only weapon they have against Drogon. She could have flown to the back of the Dothraki, said "get rid of that crossbow" and then continued to flame on the Lannister army.
2. Wouldn't the water have been crazy hot after Drogon's flame?
3. Only Missandei, Dany and Jon went into the cave -- but somehow Davos is with them when they leave the cave and meet up with Varys and Tyrion?
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
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really isn't going to ever walk? I know this from the "you will never walk again, but you will fly" line (from the three-eyed rave before him?) but still find myself holding out hope. First chapter of the book all those years ago.
I hate what he's become, he's like the Stephen Hawking of Westeros.
You mean his sullen disposition? I don't know if it's been overtly shown yet, but can Bran see the future too? Could that be the reason he seems so broken?
I don't think he can see the future, or at least not in certain terms, because he said to Arya "I thought you'd go to Kings Landing" seeming surprised she was there.
So, how could Robert's pride put her in danger? If anything he'd want to rescue her, just like the Ned and his forces tried to do/did.
I don't believe anyone felt the kidnap was a ruse, so I don't find it believable Robert would be interested in harming Lyanna (especially with Ned his close friend) so they'd need to protect her from the Starks/Robert.
Not believable to me.
Lyanna wasn't worried about Robert hurting her... She was worried about him hurting her baby... Who ever that may be!
That wasn't her assassin training - that was her water dancing training with Sylvio Forel. Which was no secret...
My understanding is that they dont know he died.
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Dany, the dothraki and the Unsullied, and rest of her crew besides Varys or Tyrion know that Jon Snow's vow was until death and his vow ended with his "death".
My understanding is that they dont know he died.
I know, I'm saying the only ones who would even know or care would be Varys or Tyrion.
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(saw someone ask this on twitter): How come no one on Dragonstone is asking Jon why he is not in the Nights Watch? Leaving the Nights Watch at all (no less so than to take up as King in the North) is punishable by death. You'd think that since Dany and her crew already view Jon as a pretender king that there would be an acknowledgment of this.
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
Really, after giving a speech about how some Start X generations ago made a vow to her family?
Her entire claim to legitimacy is based on holding to the oaths of the realm. Lost in all her revolutionary fervor is that she has generally been a real law and order ruler.
Been there done that
Good point. That would be overkill, wouldn't it? Yep
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
ARYA will be the one to kill CERSEI! She is on her list.......
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is a set up for her killing a/some white walkers.
I was thinking Cersi was going to make it to the end, but now I think she's going to be disposed of and Jaime will commit the Lannister/southern forces to the fight against the walkers.
ARYA will be the one to kill CERSEI! She is on her list.......
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(saw someone ask this on twitter): How come no one on Dragonstone is asking Jon why he is not in the Nights Watch? Leaving the Nights Watch at all (no less so than to take up as King in the North) is punishable by death. You'd think that since Dany and her crew already view Jon as a pretender king that there would be an acknowledgment of this.
This seems like it would be of very little consequence to Daenerys. She just arrived and knows a whole lot of shit has been going down over the last few years. She knows the people united around Jon in the north. She's also made it her life's mission to free slaves so they can live however they please. I really doubt she would care about holding Jon's feet to the fire over a vow at this point.
Really, after giving a speech about how some Start X generations ago made a vow to her family?
Her entire claim to legitimacy is based on holding to the oaths of the realm. Lost in all her revolutionary fervor is that she has generally been a real law and order ruler.
If anything, she comes off interested in her claim because she's power hungry and desperately "wants" to rule and it fits her narrative. I don't know. For me it just doesn't fit her character at this time. She's been gone from Westeros since she was a girl and the moment she gets back she's going to start crucifying people for breaking vows with everything else going on? If Tywin was still ruling, or even somebody like Tully who's ingrained in Westeros affairs over the last 20 years it would make a lot more sense. Just my opinion though.
We don't know where Edmure is now. If Jaime kept his promise, Edmure and his unlucky little family should be under Ironborn siege at Casterly Rock, with the Unsullied.
Unless of course Dickon decides to pursue it along with his family sword. Dickon didn't seem like an asshole though.