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August 5 Training Camp Observations

Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 5:22 pm
Practice was closed to the public today. Overcast skies, minimal wind, very comfortable temperature.

I have to rush and post this, sorry if there are typos.

SPECIAL TEAMS

-Mike Nugent showed better loft and distance on kickoffs than Aldrick Rosas. Who knows if they were actually trying to let loose or not.

-A lot, and I mean a lot, of attention is put on special teams. We got to see plenty of 1 on 1 battles with these guys going all out on each other. They were practicing blocking on the move, where the offensive player runs to a spot, turns around and goes head to head with a downhill defender that had a 15-20 yard head of steam. The bubble guys need to show something here. DE Kerry Wynn was beating everyone he matched up against. S Trey Robinson stood out a couple times. S Landon Collins got involved twice and even in a simple drill like this, his ability stands out. RB Wayne Gallmanís lack of presence showed, he may have a hard time factoring as a blocker at his size. LB Calvin Munson stood out, consistently getting rave reviews from coaches.

OFFENSE NOTES

-As I left the practice facility, QB Davis Webb was working on deep throws and footwork associated with them with two of the Giants support staff (ball boys). This was a solid 20 minutes after practice. TE Rhett Ellison was on another field working on his technique out of his stance, getting in to his routes.

-One thing I see WRs Odell Beckham and Brandon Marshall do very well, they attack the ball in the air. They donít sit back and let it come to them, they alter their weight and attack. Very important that your top guys do that. Marshall overwhelmed CB Valentino Blake on a pass near the back of the end zone, there was no chance for Blake, he looked like a kid trying to defend his dad and that is not a knock on Blake.

-TE is a very crowded group, weíve discussed. Colin Thompson keeps jumping out at me. I think there is no shot he makes the team, but he is a legit practice squad candidate. The team brought him in as a blocker, but he moves much better when running routes than I initially thought. Soft hands, been catching almost everything thrown his way. This TE group in camp is very solid.

-I put more attention on the two rookie OTs, Bisnowaty and Wheeler. Wheeler does a great job post-snap. He gets out of his stance quickly and easily. Very good body positioning, knee bend, and set up. Honestly, he is better than Flowers when it comes to that part of the process. Bisnowaty is a little more sluggish and unsure. He didnít keep his feet moving against Kerry Wynn today and it made him look silly. He was facing the ground on a couple of occasions, showing he is over-committing and lunging while bending at the waist. Body wise, Wheeler simply needs more muscle as I have been saying. Bisnowaty too, but you can tell he has spent more time in the weight room.

-OT Flowers had a solid day but his over-lean and wrap-around the defenderís neck in pass protection flared up twice from what I saw. OT Hart was schooled by DE Pierre-Paul again, winding up on the ground. OG Jerry, when I had the vantage point to really zero in on him, didnít get beat at all. He is a very large man with athletic legs. He is without a doubt the starting RG over Fluker.

-Geno vs. Johnson battle goes to Geno today. He is looking more and more confident with each day that passes. His arm is much more lively than Johnsonís.

-TE Matt LaCosse with another nice TD catch today. Natural hands on the move with a huge wingspan, nice weapon to have especially in that area.

-WR Kevin Snead body catches everything. Amazing to see the difference between him and Beckham and how they approach catching the ball.

-RB Orleans Darkwaís avenue to making this team is likely the short yardage back. He is bigger and stronger than the other guys. Without Darkwa, there really isnít any sense of power in that backfield. If the team doesnít think he can handle that job, I wonder if the 4th RB is even currently on this roster.

-WR Roger Lewis doesnít get a ton of WR reps with the first or second group. Iím wondering if he is actually that far down the depth chart or they are just trying to get the bubble guys more reps to fully evaluate. He did drop an easy TD on a short slant pass and his routes arenít crisp. But I really like how Lewis moves. Very twitchy, loose, and strong. I think he has the potential to be a top tier gunner in this league on special teams.

-WRs Darius Powe and Travis Rudolph might be competing for one spot. We have highlighted Rudolph already, his ability to do everything right stands out. But he doesnít separate downfield at all and he isnít physical enough in traffic to be a factor. Powe has the size but Iím not sure he can separate from NFL DBs. He doesnít have long speed and there isnít a lot of quick twitch to him underneath.

DEFENSE NOTES

-The teamís #4 CB has to be Michael Hunter. Iím saying this right now with a lot of confidence, there are teams in this league where he could start. He is so consistent when it comes to trust his footwork and length while attacking the ball. He is breaking up multiple passes every day. NYG has an outstanding CB group, maybe the best in the league if Apple takes the expected step up.

-CB Janoris Jenkins ignores size completely. He shows no hesitation when going after WR Marshall. He is so fast to diagnose and react. He sniffs out screens and crossing routes in a blink. And I love how hard he competes for the ball in the air.

-DT Jay Bromley made a couple nice plays against the run today. He beat DJ Fluker badly on one running play which would have resulted in a 4 yard loss. He is a very large, long guy. There are tools to work with there, it will just be a matter of him showing consistency when it comes to techniques and awareness.

-The question with the DT group will be how long guys can go before needing a break. Harrison started to break down a little towards the end of last year, Thomas was limping around between plays today with what appeared hamstring/back soreness (just speculating). Tomlinson looks like he is still trying to figure it out mentally, as he hasnít been able to get off blocks at all. Bromley is very inconsistent as I noted.

-I put the eye on FS Darian Thompson today as best I could. Not sure how these guys are coached, so take it with a grain of salt. But he was very good at keeping track of receivers in his area. Keeps his head on a swivel and wonít get fooled by the QB. His lower body moves very fluidly. I havenít seen him tested deep though.

-The one concern I have is that these DBs donít get a lot of work defending deep passes. In live action, the teamís offense almost never throws the ball downfield more than 20-25 yards. A guy like Thompson needs to work on that part of his game, as does CB Apple, and itís not happening much if at all in practice.

-DE Kerry Wynn had a very good day. He made an impact on 1 on 1 special team drills and during live team drills from his DE spot. He is a guy that the coaches know they can depend on. I am leaning towards his making this 53 man roster. He is definitely ahead of DE Taylor right now.

-DE Jason Pierre-Paul is dominating Giants OL during live drills and one on oneís. No matter who he is matched up against and no matter where he is lining up.

-Each day that passes, I am leaning more and more towards DE Owa Odighizuwa not being in the final picture. He did beat OT Jarron Jones a couple times, but other than that there is too much rigid lower body movement and a severe lack of reaction/quick twitch. Unfortunate but he just doesnít seem to have it.

3 STANDOUTS

-TE Evan Engram: By far his best day of camp so far. We got to see a few special catches. With defenders draped all over him, twice he made a TD catch while barely sneaking in before the sideline/out of bounds line. He plays super fast but under control. He keeps on catching everything and there isnít a defender on this team that is built for covering him. He is exciting in this short pass offense.

-S Eric Pinkins: This kid is certainly making a name for himself. Very impressive physically with his combination of size and speed. At 6í3/230 with zero bad weight, he brings a different level of physical prowess to the secondary. He can be a special teams demon which should get him on this 53 man roster, but I like him as a backup safety as well. There is a ton of upside here and if the team is patient, we may see something big.

-OG Jessamen Dunker: You know, this kid needs a year of weight room work from what I can see. He doesnít quite fill his pants yet. But he plays strong. His lower body mechanics and athleticism are as good as any of the OL on this team. And he showed great hand placement and strength in one on ones. I want to say he is a lock for the practice squad but if he goes out and impressed in the games, I say there is a shot he is the last OL on the 53 man roster. He really is impressive.

See you guys Monday!

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First, thank you  
Matt M. : 8/5/2017 6:39 pm : link
Your camp reports are excellent and a highlight of each day. Second, I am thrilled to be reading such positive things about Thompson and Hunter. That is great news for this D. As for Lewis, I don't care about a gunner. We already have one in Harris and there are other guys who can play opposite him. If Lewis can't play a consistent WR, which he hasn't shown he can, there are other guys who are showing better hands and better potential as WRs. I don't see him making it if his hands don't suddenly improve. I'd rather Powe and Rudolph stick.

I'm also b=very happy to read about the progress of Dunker. I was glad when they signed him and my preference is 9 OL instead of 8. So, I'd like to see him stick.
Where is Fluker going to play if Jerry is the assumed starter?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2017 6:46 pm : link
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RE: Where is Fluker going to play if Jerry is the assumed starter?  
Matt M. : 8/5/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13550503 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't think Jerry is the assumed starter. I think the two of them are battling for the RG spot. Ther is an outside chance Fluker could end up at RT, although Hart seems to be winning that job.
These observations are like a drug.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/5/2017 6:55 pm : link
Hahaha.

Thanks Sy.
Thanks for the great report  
KWALL2 : 8/5/2017 7:02 pm : link
Exciting stuff about the DBs and Engram.

Pinkins is super athletic. Seahawks started him off playing CB. Moved him to LB. Not many can move around like that. He could be an interesting player for us.
RE: Where is Fluker going to play if Jerry is the assumed starter?  
Klaatu : 8/5/2017 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13550503 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Well, let's assume that Jerry does start at RG and Hart starts at RT. Then Fluker goes to the bench and backs up both of them.
Is there room on the team for 5 safeties?  
Mike from SI : 8/5/2017 7:13 pm : link
I assume Adams is a lock, and I'm a big Berhe fan. I suppose the answer is no, just asking.
You're not alone, Mike.  
Klaatu : 8/5/2017 7:27 pm : link
I've been pounding the table for five safeties for a while now.
RE: First, thank you  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13550499 Matt M. said:
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Your camp reports are excellent and a highlight of each day. Second, I am thrilled to be reading such positive things about Thompson and Hunter. That is great news for this D. As for Lewis, I don't care about a gunner. We already have one in Harris and there are other guys who can play opposite him. If Lewis can't play a consistent WR, which he hasn't shown he can, there are other guys who are showing better hands and better potential as WRs. I don't see him making it if his hands don't suddenly improve. I'd rather Powe and Rudolph stick.

I'm also b=very happy to read about the progress of Dunker. I was glad when they signed him and my preference is 9 OL instead of 8. So, I'd like to see him stick.


I am reserving legit 53 man roster and practice squad talk/predictions until after I see these guys play in a couple preseason games...

But if they do keep 9 OL, would they go in to the season with Fluker/Bisnowaty/Wheeler/Dunker as the backups? I say no way. There isn't anyone in there that plays OC AND going in with 3 out of 4 backups being rookies is very risky.

As of now I think Wheeler OR Dunker would e on 53 man roster despite the fact they play different positions.
RE: Where is Fluker going to play if Jerry is the assumed starter?  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13550503 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Fluker will be the backup right side guy. If Hart or Jerry gets hurt or they really take a step back performance wise, then the gets on the field.
RE: RE: Where is Fluker going to play if Jerry is the assumed starter?  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13550506 Matt M. said:
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I don't think Jerry is the assumed starter. I think the two of them are battling for the RG spot. Ther is an outside chance Fluker could end up at RT, although Hart seems to be winning that job.


Fluker hasn't gotten 1 snap with the first string. I don't think he is viewed as a starter, not for week 1 anyway.
RE: Thanks for the great report  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13550511 KWALL2 said:
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Exciting stuff about the DBs and Engram.

Pinkins is super athletic. Seahawks started him off playing CB. Moved him to LB. Not many can move around like that. He could be an interesting player for us.


All things considered, he is one of the best athletes on the team. And he plays physical. There is a role for a guy like this. I think they keep 5 safeties, he should be one of them
RE: Is there room on the team for 5 safeties?  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13550521 Mike from SI said:
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I assume Adams is a lock, and I'm a big Berhe fan. I suppose the answer is no, just asking.


I think so, yes. 5 safeties and 5 CBs can work.
Sy  
dune69 : 8/5/2017 7:32 pm : link
I think it is a great observation and concern that our defensive backfield does not get enough practice and learning on deep pass plays because offensively we do little of that. We will be rabid when the first guy gets beat long and yet the players are not getting enough practice with that situation.

Thanks for your contributions all year long.
Sy, question re Goodson.  
Klaatu : 8/5/2017 7:33 pm : link
To what do you attribute his rise from seldom-used rookie to starter - and looking like a damned good one - in his second year? Is it just hard work, dedication, that sort of thing? It seems almost miraculous to me.
RE: Sy, question re Goodson.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/5/2017 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13550537 Klaatu said:
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To what do you attribute his rise from seldom-used rookie to starter - and looking like a damned good one - in his second year? Is it just hard work, dedication, that sort of thing? It seems almost miraculous to me.


maybe its has something to do with the Giants org has no idea what they are doing in drafting/developing LBs so Goodson fell thru the cracks...

:-)
RE: Sy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13550536 dune69 said:
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I think it is a great observation and concern that our defensive backfield does not get enough practice and learning on deep pass plays because offensively we do little of that. We will be rabid when the first guy gets beat long and yet the players are not getting enough practice with that situation.

Thanks for your contributions all year long.


I could be wrong, but I don't think that was an issue whatsoever last season. Why would that start now?

RE: RE: Sy  
Diver_Down : 8/5/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13550557 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I think it is a great observation and concern that our defensive backfield does not get enough practice and learning on deep pass plays because offensively we do little of that. We will be rabid when the first guy gets beat long and yet the players are not getting enough practice with that situation.

Thanks for your contributions all year long.



I could be wrong, but I don't think that was an issue whatsoever last season. Why would that start now?


Apple got beat bad in the GB game (3rd or 4th qtr). He was able to recover to make the tackle, but was clearly beat giving up a long reception. The other instance that stands out was against Det?. DRC got beat (I think he was expecting help over the top when there was none). With his elite speed, he was able to chase down the receiver from behind and saved a TD.
Cornerbacks do get beat. It's just part of the game.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/5/2017 8:19 pm : link
Even good ones.

Especially considering how good this secondary played last season despite poor pass rush, I don't take that as a symptom of a larger problem. DRC is a 10 year vet. He knows how to play long routes. I could see the argument in Apple's case as a developing player, I suppose.


RE: Is there room on the team for 5 safeties?  
5BowlsSoon : 8/5/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13550521 Mike from SI said:
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I assume Adams is a lock, and I'm a big Berhe fan. I suppose the answer is no, just asking.


Berne always gets injured, so yes, we need five.
Very happy hearing....  
5BowlsSoon : 8/5/2017 8:33 pm : link
Pinkies and Thompson are looking good. Yeah for our secondary.
Sy'56  
robbieballs2003 : 8/5/2017 8:38 pm : link
It is great hearing about Hunter as the 4th CB. However, I still think a glaring hole on this defense which hurt us in GB is our backup CB position. Yes, we have a great stable of CBs but the problem is that they all seem to be primarily outside guys. Our most injury prone corner, DRC, is such a key player for us but if he goes down it would be nice to know that we would have someone capable of holding that position down. I sound like I am being greedy because we cannot be perfect at every position but odds are someone other than DRC will be manning the slot position this year whether it is for a few plays, a game, or longer. If Apple or Jenkins misses some time then Hunter can step in and I think we can work with that and DRC can play on the outside when we are not in certain sub packages.

So, who is getting reps in the slot? How are they performing? I think the slot position is such a crucial position on any dedense in today's NFL. Imo, it is more difficult than playing on the outside in certain areas. The receivers get a three way go, there is no sideline help, you have to keep your head on a swivel, you need to know your run fits, you have to know the blitz schemes, etc. You aren't out on an ispand as much but this is a very unique position to try to fill. You cannot just find a guy off rhe street to come in and play there. Just the mental reps alone are challenging whereas, mentally, you can just pick up a corner on the street to play on the outside. It doesn't mean they can handle it physically but the slot position requires both.
RE: Thanks Sy..  
Beer Man : 8/5/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13550485 Big Blue '56 said:
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Way too early of course, but it appears as both S and CB positions are deep and talented. We shall see..

Jerry starting over Fluker is going to piss off many on here
Count me as one. Sure Jerry does a decent job pass blocking, but he is a gigantic milk-toast in the run blocking department. If you want this O to fly, get the run game going. After three years of watching Jerry at RG, we know that is not going to happen if Jerry is the starting RG.
RE: Sy, question re Goodson.  
Sy'56 : 8/5/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13550537 Klaatu said:
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To what do you attribute his rise from seldom-used rookie to starter - and looking like a damned good one - in his second year? Is it just hard work, dedication, that sort of thing? It seems almost miraculous to me.


The MLB in most 4-3 schemes, in particular Spags' scheme, has SO MUCH mental responsibility. They really need to know the roles of all LBs, DL, and DBs inside and out.

Goodson may have been the most talented MLB candidate last year, but it probably didn't show because he wasn't reacting, he was thinking. That leads to slow playing...so I think it just came down to the mental side of the game last year.
Sy  
XBRONX : 8/5/2017 10:14 pm : link
seems like your think more of Ellison as a receiver than was thought by others when he was signed.
Munson, Pinkins and Berhe  
SHO'NUFF : 8/5/2017 11:18 pm : link
are Rocky Long boys. They play hard-nosed football. A lot of guys will get Munson'd this year.
This  
Jon in NYC : 8/5/2017 11:47 pm : link
is going to be one of the most competitive 53s in a long time.

Last year it was almost too easy to predict what was going to happen. This year there are serious questions all over the place.
RE: Sy  
SGMen : 8/6/2017 7:09 am : link
In comment 13550591 XBRONX said:
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seems like your think more of Ellison as a receiver than was thought by others when he was signed.
With our weapons, Ellison could sneak underneath a lot and have a "career" year. Why not 35- 310 - 2 type numbers or better?
Awesome stuff as always  
JohnG in Albany : 8/6/2017 7:15 am : link
Thank you, sir.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 8/6/2017 7:47 am : link
In comment 13550591 XBRONX said:
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seems like your think more of Ellison as a receiver than was thought by others when he was signed.


Ellison isn't going to make a ton of plays up the seam or downfield. But I think this NYG passing game is very much about underneath throws and quick releases. Ellison has the dependable hands to be a factor there.
RE: RE: Sy, question re Goodson.  
Klaatu : 8/6/2017 8:16 am : link
In comment 13550585 Sy'56 said:
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To what do you attribute his rise from seldom-used rookie to starter - and looking like a damned good one - in his second year? Is it just hard work, dedication, that sort of thing? It seems almost miraculous to me.



The MLB in most 4-3 schemes, in particular Spags' scheme, has SO MUCH mental responsibility. They really need to know the roles of all LBs, DL, and DBs inside and out.

Goodson may have been the most talented MLB candidate last year, but it probably didn't show because he wasn't reacting, he was thinking. That leads to slow playing...so I think it just came down to the mental side of the game last year.


Thank you. I know you were pretty high on Goodson prior to the draft, and now it seems like he's justifying your faith in him, which has to make you feel good. It makes me feel good, too. I hope he can be as steady in the middle as AP was for us for several years. Sounds like he's on the right track.
Agree...  
Doomster : 8/6/2017 8:32 am : link
-RB Orleans Darkwaís avenue to making this team is likely the short yardage back. He is bigger and stronger than the other guys. Without Darkwa, there really isnít any sense of power in that backfield. If the team doesnít think he can handle that job, I wonder if the 4th RB is even currently on this roster.

I have been saying the same thing for awhile......I just don't think Darkwa can stay on the field.....I was pissed when the Eagles got Blount.....he is a tough short yardage guy, that has enough speed to break a big one....

I still think we need a veteran presence back there......if Perkins gets nicked, Vereen can't be the starter....Gallman is an unknown rookie.....maybe a late cut, or even a call to Deangelo happens...maybe, just maybe, he has one more season in him.....it's a gamble, but I would take him over Darkwa...

Sy'56  
robbieballs2003 : 8/6/2017 8:38 am : link
I guess you missed my questions. I was wondering what other corners/safeties have been playing in the slot and if they are showing any promise? If you are unsure then maybe that can be an area of focus? Thank you.
Just another  
section125 : 8/6/2017 8:41 am : link
thank you Sy. gidie and you are doing a great job. Lucid Obs from a trusted source.
RE: RE: Is there room on the team for 5 safeties?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/6/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13550535 Sy'56 said:
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I assume Adams is a lock, and I'm a big Berhe fan. I suppose the answer is no, just asking.



I think so, yes. 5 safeties and 5 CBs can work.


If Pinkins and Berhe are having good summers, wouldn't presume Adams is a lock...
RE: RE: First, thank you  
BigBlueWhale : 8/6/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13550528 Sy'56 said:
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But if they do keep 9 OL, would they go in to the season with Fluker/Bisnowaty/Wheeler/Dunker as the backups? I say no way. There isn't anyone in there that plays OC AND going in with 3 out of 4 backups being rookies is very risky.

As of now I think Wheeler OR Dunker would e on 53 man roster despite the fact they play different positions.


I'll tell you right now, no way Brett Jones gets cut. He is well respected and could be an excellent starting C. Will be interesting to see what they do with Richburg after the year.
RE: 53 man roster  
BigBlueWhale : 8/6/2017 9:10 am : link
The Giants will try to keep the best 53. Maybe that sounds obvious but they will have no problem keeping 5 S's or 5 TE's if that's where the strength of the roster is. McAdoo does a nice job playing to his strengths.

Pinkins isn't "just" a S either. He can play slot CB, he can play OLB.

I think they'll keep 5 LB's, 5 CB's and 5 S's with Pinkins basically being a Wild Card that can back up all 3 positions and be a core 46'er.
RE: First, thank you  
OntheRoad : 8/6/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13550499 Matt M. said:
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Second, I am thrilled to be reading such positive things about Thompson and Hunter.


You might call the new lineup the Hunter/Thompson defense. Will strike fear and loathing into opponents.
I'm hoping Smith becomes Eli's backup. Johnson is a JAG  
Blue21 : 8/6/2017 9:50 am : link
Smith IMO has the potential to fight Webb for the QB job post Eli. And if Eli goes down this year has more potential to win a couple games again IMO. He started for the Jets and he was young on a bad team. Johnson as Qb is like throwing in the white towel.
Disagree....  
Doomster : 8/6/2017 10:13 am : link
RE: RE: Is there room on the team for 5 safeties?
Jimmy Googs : 9:04 am : link : reply
If Pinkins and Berhe are having good summers, wouldn't presume Adams is a lock...

I would take Adams over Berhe any day of the week....
Sy', various:  
ColHowPepper : 8/6/2017 10:22 am : link
- robbieballs' question was a good one: who plays the slot if DRC goes down, as he is prone to do. Are the reps and talent and mental acuity there for someone to step in?

- with the safeties, I've got to think Berhe becomes the odd man out, even if they keep 5. He has problems staying healthy, has concussed often, if Munson flashes talent, and with Pinkins doing what you say, LC, DThompson, Adams, Pinkins, Munson? My sense: Berhe has never overwhelmed with his natural feel for the position.

- leftover question from Friday's thread (I put it up too late for you to comment): in Friday practice notes, you praised Wynn, mentioned the other DEs except for Okwara, and the question was whether it's just assumed he is the 3rd DE, thus no need to include him in the canvassing.

- OL, keeping 9?: sheesh, with Brett Jones the most experienced of the second group, except Fluker, and capable of playing C and G, seems a lock for the 53, then among Bis, Wheeler, Dunker, one of the latter group of three, at least, goes to PS, and a good chance he is claimed. Almost seems as though Flowers is the main retrograde in terms of improvement and potential.
RE: awesome report Sy  
ColHowPepper : 8/6/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13550480 Jints in Carolina said:
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I think Darian Thompson is going to put this defense over the top.
Little question he has the talent and feel to be a very good FS; question is whether he has the frame and strength to stay physically sound in the NFL (had trouble doing so at BS)
Thompson seems to be a coaches' favorite  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/6/2017 12:36 pm : link
I wonder what he does that they love so much. Must be great on the board or in film.
Ten Ton Hammer  
BigBlueWhale : 8/6/2017 12:54 pm : link
Do yourself a favor if you have a few minutes and check out the week 1 Giants @ DAL game posted on Youtube. Focus on Darian Thompson. He plays a heckuva game. Nailed Elliot and Witten short of the sticks and was all over the place in the 4th quarter.
RE: Thompson seems to be a coaches' favorite  
Jimmy Googs : 8/6/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13550786 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I wonder what he does that they love so much. Must be great on the board or in film.


Because he does stuff. He gets in the play as opposed to AA...
RE: RE: Thanks Sy..  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/6/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13550581 Beer Man said:
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Way too early of course, but it appears as both S and CB positions are deep and talented. We shall see..

Jerry starting over Fluker is going to piss off many on here

Count me as one. Sure Jerry does a decent job pass blocking, but he is a gigantic milk-toast in the run blocking department. If you want this O to fly, get the run game going. After three years of watching Jerry at RG, we know that is not going to happen if Jerry is the starting RG.

Is a milk-toast like a pre madonna, per say?
RE: RE: RE: Thanks Sy..  
adamg : 8/6/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13550810 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13550485 Big Blue '56 said:


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Way too early of course, but it appears as both S and CB positions are deep and talented. We shall see..

Jerry starting over Fluker is going to piss off many on here

Count me as one. Sure Jerry does a decent job pass blocking, but he is a gigantic milk-toast in the run blocking department. If you want this O to fly, get the run game going. After three years of watching Jerry at RG, we know that is not going to happen if Jerry is the starting RG.


Is a milk-toast like a pre madonna, per say?


For all intensive purposes
RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanks Sy..  
DaveW2 : 8/6/2017 5:44 pm : link
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Way too early of course, but it appears as both S and CB positions are deep and talented. We shall see..

Jerry starting over Fluker is going to piss off many on here

Count me as one. Sure Jerry does a decent job pass blocking, but he is a gigantic milk-toast in the run blocking department. If you want this O to fly, get the run game going. After three years of watching Jerry at RG, we know that is not going to happen if Jerry is the starting RG.


Is a milk-toast like a pre madonna, per say?



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A rather mute point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanks Sy..  
chopperhatch : 8/6/2017 5:50 pm : link
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Way too early of course, but it appears as both S and CB positions are deep and talented. We shall see..

Jerry starting over Fluker is going to piss off many on here

Count me as one. Sure Jerry does a decent job pass blocking, but he is a gigantic milk-toast in the run blocking department. If you want this O to fly, get the run game going. After three years of watching Jerry at RG, we know that is not going to happen if Jerry is the starting RG.


Is a milk-toast like a pre madonna, per say?



For all intensive purposes



A rather mute point.


With french benefits.
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Bluesbreaker : 8/6/2017 7:25 pm : link
Glad to see the potential of Pinkins as for Nat Berhe I am
not sure about his longevity . I would take Adams over him
if they keep five which they should and we finally get to
see just what we have in Thompson I'm just notsure how much we can depend on Darqua either as he has had his fair share of injuries . I DKN wasn't crazy about the Wayne Gallman I was hoping for a more of a bruising type back to me he seem's like a Perkins clone he is a tad bit bigger but watching his tape he is a gamer but he run's so upright I
just wondered if that translated to a short yardage type guy . Maybe there not done and add a vet there . Lastly were going with the same starting O-line and that
worries me a bit as well . Over all we have playmakers
and a damn good defense . So again will we be able to run the ball when we need to ?
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