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RE: I don't care if Kap is in the league or not  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2017 12:33 am : link
In comment 13550935 Giant John said:
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He is on dumb dude.

The irony is off the charts on this on.
RE: First off,  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2017 8:32 am : link
In comment 13551201 T-Bone said:
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this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?

And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.


I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.

but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.

the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.

TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.

but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.

The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.

Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.

I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.

especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.
RE: RE:  
Mr. Bungle : 8/7/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13551078 TurdFurguson said:
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The guy went to 3 NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl.

He only played in 2 NFC Championship games.
Mark Sanchez..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2017 9:09 am : link
went to two AFC Championship games, and now he's a punchline to the question "Who was the term buttfumble coined for".
RE: He's not the future of any team  
MetsAreBack : 8/7/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13551031 UConn4523 said:
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he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.

And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?


Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.

As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.
RE: RE: He's not the future of any team  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/7/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13551346 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13551031 UConn4523 said:


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he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.

And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?



Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.

As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the
Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.

Blackballing implies that there is collusion or some other concerted effort to keep Kaepernick out of the league. I don't think that's necessarily the case here. It's entirely possible that given the limited number of open spots combined with the extremely sensitive (and high-profile) nature of Kaepernick's statements and actions, each team has independently decided that the potential distractions and negative fan reaction outweigh whatever upside he may bring.

Let's face it, even if you take the most optimistic view of Kaepernick strictly from a talent standpoint, the marginal talent upgrade probably isn't as close to the distraction he might create.
ahahahah  
giantfan2000 : 8/7/2017 10:04 am : link
OH yeah Kaepernick is not being blackball by NFL at all

and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn
Dolphins reportedly considered signing Tebow before deal with Cutler - ( New Window )
Gatorade Dunk  
Dr. D : 8/7/2017 10:05 am : link
summed it up well. Team owners are running businesses. If I was one, I wouldn't hire someone who could adversely impact my goals and bottom line like Kaep.
The kneeling douche is better than Josh Johnson or Geno Smith  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 8/7/2017 10:05 am : link
The guy should at the very least be of backup calibre on most teams and has the potential and skills to be more if he put it all together. Either he has no interest in that or teams are blackballing him.

At this point Kaepernick should just move to Canada and play CFL ball next season.
it's not like it's a right  
Dr. D : 8/7/2017 10:10 am : link
to play in the NFL. It isn't that complicated. Owners and GMs look at the pros and cons. The cons of signing Kaep outweigh the pros.
RE: ahahahah  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13551383 giantfan2000 said:
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OH yeah Kaepernick is not being blackball by NFL at all

and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn Dolphins reportedly considered signing Tebow before deal with Cutler - ( New Window )


they also considered Kaepernick.

I think you need to consider when most people use the term blackballed they imply a concerted effort by those in power to restrict, limit, or deny service/rights to a party.

While I 100% agree Kaepernick is being avoided, I believe, and you can choose to believe what you want, it is individual team decisions that his talent does not outweigh the negativity or mere distraction his presence will create.

Like I said before, there will be injuries or losing or something that happens, and maybe the inflection point is reached, but right now it appears that teams don't value him enough with his baggage to sign him.

Blackballed? Not in my opinion.

Avoided? Absolutely on an individual team by team basis. Otherwise, explain the tryouts? there is no Kaepernick rooney rule. teams don't have to have him in for tryouts or meetings.

is there a difference? I think there is.
RE: RE: First off,  
T-Bone : 8/7/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13551295 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13551201 T-Bone said:


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this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?

And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.



I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.

but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.

the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.

TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.

but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.

The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.

Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.

I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.

especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.


Irrelevant? Depends on who you ask I guess.

I really don't feel like getting involved in yet another Kaep thread for the 100th time. IMO, that's an incredibly stupid analogy though.
The better question to me at least  
Carson53 : 8/7/2017 10:23 am : link
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
RE: The better question to me at least  
PatersonPlank : 8/7/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13551419 Carson53 said:
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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.


This is my issue too, how can a professional athlete not get ACL surgery? Thats stupidity. I tore and ACL 15 years ago and didn't get surgery. I really didn't need it to play golf and go to work. However I couldn't imagine even playing a tough 3-on-3 basketball game now, all the changing directions from cutting would definitely hurt something (assuming I was going full out). To me Tannehill not getting surgery was a massive blunder.
RE: The better question to me at least  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13551419 Carson53 said:
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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.


He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.

So, why is that the better question?

When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
You avoid surgery if you can.  
Keith : 8/7/2017 10:39 am : link
If he was told that it was a partial tear and didn't require surgery, why would he get it? You can heal from a partial tear.
RE: You avoid surgery if you can.  
Carson53 : 8/7/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13551449 Keith said:
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If he was told that it was a partial tear and didn't require surgery, why would he get it? You can heal from a partial tear.
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I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...
RE: RE: The better question to me at least  
Carson53 : 8/7/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13551435 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13551419 Carson53 said:


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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.



He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.

So, why is that the better question?

When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
.

I thought he had a tear, and that's why it was a better question to me, I know who Andrews is my friend.
It doesn't change the fact, you have the Pats,
and 3 little sisters of the poor in the AFC Least!
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2017 11:14 am : link
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I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...


And I've thrown a football in the backyard with my son. I'm an expert on all things regarding QB'ing now.....
RE: LOL...  
Carson53 : 8/7/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13551513 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...



And I've thrown a football in the backyard with my son. I'm an expert on all things regarding QB'ing now.....
.

As I have told you, not worth my time, but carry on with your bad self. You and few others, just aren't worth
the time of day on a football blog, oh my.
Maybe your son can teach you something about football as well, LMAO!

Yes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2017 11:24 am : link
it is much more appropriate on a "football blog" to say that since you've had two knee surgeries you know the particulars.

Those are always awesome posts to read.

Now, let me carry on wit my bad self.....
RE: RE: The better question to me at least  
Carson53 : 8/7/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13551435 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13551419 Carson53 said:


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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.



He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.

So, why is that the better question?

When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
.

He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!
RE: RE: RE: The better question to me at least  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13551720 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13551435 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13551419 Carson53 said:


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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.



He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.

So, why is that the better question?

When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.

.

He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!


A sprain is a when the fibers or threads of the tendon are stretched or slightly torn, so you clearly have done some solid research here.

Your comment was "the better question was not didn't he have surgery in December when the injury took place".

You are now suggesting that you are a better authority on patient treatment than Dr. James Andrews, who was the doctor treating Tannehill. If you cannot see the absurdity of your second-guessing and are lashing out at others because of it then that is on you.

From 12/22 11 days after the injury

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Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill is taking a proactive approach in the treatment of his knee injury.

According to multiple sources, Tannehill visited noted surgeon James Andrews in Pensacola, Fla., this week and received treatment on his left knee.

Whatís clear, sources emphasized, is that Tannehill isnít simply sitting back and seeing if the injury will heal on its own.....


From January 30:

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported on Monday that "Tannehill is not believed to need ACL reconstruction prior to '17 season, sources say. MRI today to confirm the good news." Rapoport also provided additional details on Tannehill's rehab:

But at this point, after countless strengthening and rehab exercises, Tannehill's knee is stable enough to feel confident going into the season, per sources.

Tannehill's MCL, which was also damaged in the late-season hit, is actually giving him more problems than the ACL. MCL sprains aren't fixed surgically, and he will be fine long before the season.

Tannehill has even played basketball as part of rehab to work on sudden movements, and his knee has held up well. He will likely wear a brace while playing going forward, but there is not the feeling of looseness in the knee that indicates more surgery is needed.

Tannehill had a healing procedure done by Dr. James Andrews a few weeks following the injury, and he may head to Germany for a knee procedure called Regenokine, a form of platelet-rich plasma therapy made famous by Lakers star Kobe Bryant. Essentially, it takes a patient's blood, spins it to separate the platelets, then is re-injected into the knee....


I love when people  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 10:34 am : link
who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.
What a touch of arrogance that is, Dr. James Andrews may be
a "noted orthopedic surgeon", it doesn't mean he is not wrong on occasion. We all remember as a paid consultant for the
Redskins, who was on the sidelines with his stocking burgundy
and gold cap on how both he and Shanny blundered big time
on the RG III situation during that playoff game years ago.
Anybody who had knee surgery in the past knew he was about to
go down big time with his knee in that game. Yet, they allowed it to happen. He was obviously wrong in this situation, he should have insisted that Shanny remove him from the game, when it was obvious what was about to happen!
So noted orthopedic surgeons do make mistakes, they are not
fool proof, and I never said I know more than him, but I do
know what I see. I like when somebody presents a link
from the end of January, and we are now in August, that is recent, LOL. That's right you stretch or strain ligaments and cartliage, you do not sprain them, they use that expression sprain as typical football lexicon. A sideline reporter or a coach, or a reporter might use it, not an orthopedic specialist. My work is done here!
RE: I love when people  
pjcas18 : 8/8/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13552530 Carson53 said:
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who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.
What a touch of arrogance that is, Dr. James Andrews may be
a "noted orthopedic surgeon", it doesn't mean he is not wrong on occasion. We all remember as a paid consultant for the
Redskins, who was on the sidelines with his stocking burgundy
and gold cap on how both he and Shanny blundered big time
on the RG III situation during that playoff game years ago.
Anybody who had knee surgery in the past knew he was about to
go down big time with his knee in that game. Yet, they allowed it to happen. He was obviously wrong in this situation, he should have insisted that Shanny remove him from the game, when it was obvious what was about to happen!
So noted orthopedic surgeons do make mistakes, they are not
fool proof, and I never said I know more than him, but I do
know what I see. I like when somebody presents a link
from the end of January, and we are now in August, that is recent, LOL. That's right you stretch or strain ligaments and cartliage, you do not sprain them, they use that expression sprain as typical football lexicon. A sideline reporter or a coach, or a reporter might use it, not an orthopedic specialist. My work is done here!



You're either 75 years old, new to the internet, or both.

The link is from January because you said "the better question is why he didn't have surgery when the injury first happened in 2016"

So you knowing zero about the patient, never met with the patient for a consultation, never looked at MRI's, x-rays, even conducted a physical exam of the patient are equipped to say he should have had surgery in December. When actual medical professionals disagreed.

And Andrews was one of two doctors he met with. So two professional orthopedists said no surgery, but Carson53 from BBI said he should have had surgery.

Well there you go, if only you were Tannehill's doctor instead of actual doctors maybe the Dolphins wouldn't be in this mess.

You should write them a strongly worded letter, isn't that what your generation does?
Is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2017 10:45 am : link
there supposed to be some intentional humor here, or is it completely coincidental??

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I love when people
Carson53 : 10:34 am : link : reply
who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.


So a guy with ZERO first hand knowledge of the injury itself thinks they KNOW what they are talking about because he had knee injuries? Please tell me that this goes against your history of posting ridiculously dumb shit.

I know it isn't, but one could always hold out hope.
RE: RE: I love when people  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13552537 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13552530 Carson53 said:


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who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.
What a touch of arrogance that is, Dr. James Andrews may be
a "noted orthopedic surgeon", it doesn't mean he is not wrong on occasion. We all remember as a paid consultant for the
Redskins, who was on the sidelines with his stocking burgundy
and gold cap on how both he and Shanny blundered big time
on the RG III situation during that playoff game years ago.
Anybody who had knee surgery in the past knew he was about to
go down big time with his knee in that game. Yet, they allowed it to happen. He was obviously wrong in this situation, he should have insisted that Shanny remove him from the game, when it was obvious what was about to happen!
So noted orthopedic surgeons do make mistakes, they are not
fool proof, and I never said I know more than him, but I do
know what I see. I like when somebody presents a link
from the end of January, and we are now in August, that is recent, LOL. That's right you stretch or strain ligaments and cartliage, you do not sprain them, they use that expression sprain as typical football lexicon. A sideline reporter or a coach, or a reporter might use it, not an orthopedic specialist. My work is done here!




You're either 75 years old, new to the internet, or both.

The link is from January because you said "the better question is why he didn't have surgery when the injury first happened in 2016"

So you knowing zero about the patient, never met with the patient for a consultation, never looked at MRI's, x-rays, even conducted a physical exam of the patient are equipped to say he should have had surgery in December. When actual medical professionals disagreed.

And Andrews was one of two doctors he met with. So two professional orthopedists said no surgery, but Carson53 from BBI said he should have had surgery.

Well there you go, if only you were Tannehill's doctor instead of actual doctors maybe the Dolphins wouldn't be in this mess.

You should write them a strongly worded letter, isn't that what your generation does?
...

Your generation is much better, LOL.
And no I am not 75, I am in my early 60's.
BTW, how many knee surgeries have you had sunny boy?
A better question..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2017 10:58 am : link
to ask would be how many games have you played as a professional athlete, right?

About the same fucking correlation.
I broke a finger playing football in high school  
BigBlueShock : 8/8/2017 11:14 am : link
They didn't even need to amputate it so I think the doctors screwed up with JPP. They could have saved his fingers. I know, because I've had finger injuries before.

I've also slept at Holiday Inn Expresses numerous times. So there's that.
Or an even better question might be  
pjcas18 : 8/8/2017 11:18 am : link
how long have you been an orthopedic surgeon?

Or even a primary care doctor?

Or a physician's assistant in an orthopedic practice?

Or a nurse?

or an MRI tech

or an x-ray tech

Or a PT

or anything even somewhat related to the medical field

and most importantly when did you look at Tannehill's results to make your diagnosis that he should have surgery back in December?

I'm going to guess the answer is no and never to all these questions and you're showing your ass on this thread.
RE: I broke a finger playing football in high school  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13552587 BigBlueShock said:
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They didn't even need to amputate it so I think the doctors screwed up with JPP. They could have saved his fingers. I know, because I've had finger injuries before.

I've also slept at Holiday Inn Expresses numerous times. So there's that.


I broke a couple fingers, your point, that's right,
you don't have one. I actually played some semi-pro ball,
in another sport, how about you?
Or the other idiots that think they know what they are talking about on this thread, when they don't have
first hand experience. I have never hurt that particular body part, but I know an awful lot about it, it's called
flawed logic. Flawed logic is a very popular theme on BBI.
It comes with the territory. You have a few on here who are
so dense and obtuse, but they think they are authorities
on everything. I find it both arrogant and bemusing.
RE: Or an even better question might be  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13552595 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
how long have you been an orthopedic surgeon?

Or even a primary care doctor?

Or a physician's assistant in an orthopedic practice?

Or a nurse?

or an MRI tech

or an x-ray tech

Or a PT

or anything even somewhat related to the medical field

and most importantly when did you look at Tannehill's results to make your diagnosis that he should have surgery back in December?

I'm going to guess the answer is no and never to all these questions and you're showing your ass on this thread.
.

Good evasive answer, have worked in a hospital for a couple
years in the past, and you? He had a torn ACL, did I need
to look at his MRI? Since you don't know this obviously,
X-Rays don't show tears, they show breaks or fractures,
that's why they quickly send athletes for a MRI.
Just keep talking, you're good at that.
The irony is  
pjcas18 : 8/8/2017 11:54 am : link
what I am doing is the opposite of arrogant. I am saying the qualified medical professionals are the ones who I trust in making the determination about the course of medical treatment. Not someone on their couch who isn't even in a medical field.

You are saying, and this is f-ing awesome, you never even hurt your knee, but you hurt other body parts, and played semi-pro ball in a different sport, but...

you know better than James Andrews and the Dolphins team doctors who actually examined and treated Tannehill how he should have been treated.

but the people questioning your commentary here are arrogant? I don't think arrogant means what you think it means.

I'm sure you mean well, but when someone questions you about something you go off the rails.

one of the worst posters on here, I don't want to debate you on this or anything, I'm just going to avoid you from now on.

you win.
More unintentional comedy!!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2017 11:57 am : link
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Flawed logic is a very popular theme on BBI


You mean like using the fact you've had knee injuries to make you competent enough to diagnose somebody else? That kind of flawed logic?

I'd figure you might bow out, but instead you are doubling and tripling down on the asinine take.

Great work!
RE: Is..  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/8/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13552540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there supposed to be some intentional humor here, or is it completely coincidental??



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I love when people
Carson53 : 10:34 am : link : reply
who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.



So a guy with ZERO first hand knowledge of the injury itself thinks they KNOW what they are talking about because he had knee injuries? Please tell me that this goes against your history of posting ridiculously dumb shit.

I know it isn't, but one could always hold out hope.

I'd settle for him having some first hand knowledge or word wrap and formatting so that his posts are even readable.

The carriage-return crowd is starting to be as predictable as the rule of Z.
RE: The irony is  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13552663 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
what I am doing is the opposite of arrogant. I am saying the qualified medical professionals are the ones who I trust in making the determination about the course of medical treatment. Not someone on their couch who isn't even in a medical field.

You are saying, and this is f-ing awesome, you never even hurt your knee, but you hurt other body parts, and played semi-pro ball in a different sport, but...

you know better than James Andrews and the Dolphins team doctors who actually examined and treated Tannehill how he should have been treated.

but the people questioning your commentary here are arrogant? I don't think arrogant means what you think it means.

I'm sure you mean well, but when someone questions you about something you go off the rails.

one of the worst posters on here, I don't want to debate you on this or anything, I'm just going to avoid you from now on.

you win.


I have already said on this thread I have had two knee surgeries, unfortunately you don't read well, par for the course with some on here. I care that you are going to avoid me. I do not go off the rails, I think when somebody
doesn't have first hand knowledge of a situation, they are the ones talking out of their ass, like you.
Like  
pjcas18 : 8/8/2017 12:16 pm : link
your misuse/lack of grasp of the word arrogance, I don't believe you know the definition of "first-hand" either.

Good luck with your learning
RE: RE: The irony is  
T-Bone : 8/8/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13552719 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13552663 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


what I am doing is the opposite of arrogant. I am saying the qualified medical professionals are the ones who I trust in making the determination about the course of medical treatment. Not someone on their couch who isn't even in a medical field.

You are saying, and this is f-ing awesome, you never even hurt your knee, but you hurt other body parts, and played semi-pro ball in a different sport, but...

you know better than James Andrews and the Dolphins team doctors who actually examined and treated Tannehill how he should have been treated.

but the people questioning your commentary here are arrogant? I don't think arrogant means what you think it means.

I'm sure you mean well, but when someone questions you about something you go off the rails.

one of the worst posters on here, I don't want to debate you on this or anything, I'm just going to avoid you from now on.

you win.



I have already said on this thread I have had two knee surgeries, unfortunately you don't read well, par for the course with some on here. I care that you are going to avoid me. I do not go off the rails, I think when somebody
doesn't have first hand knowledge of a situation, they are the ones talking out of their ass, like you.


What they're trying to tell you is that you don't have 'first hand knowledge' either and yet you're questioning an expert in the field who did/does.
RE: RE: RE: The irony is  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13552728 T-Bone said:
Quote:
In comment 13552719 Carson53 said:


Quote:


In comment 13552663 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


what I am doing is the opposite of arrogant. I am saying the qualified medical professionals are the ones who I trust in making the determination about the course of medical treatment. Not someone on their couch who isn't even in a medical field.

You are saying, and this is f-ing awesome, you never even hurt your knee, but you hurt other body parts, and played semi-pro ball in a different sport, but...

you know better than James Andrews and the Dolphins team doctors who actually examined and treated Tannehill how he should have been treated.

but the people questioning your commentary here are arrogant? I don't think arrogant means what you think it means.

I'm sure you mean well, but when someone questions you about something you go off the rails.

one of the worst posters on here, I don't want to debate you on this or anything, I'm just going to avoid you from now on.

you win.



I have already said on this thread I have had two knee surgeries, unfortunately you don't read well, par for the course with some on here. I care that you are going to avoid me. I do not go off the rails, I think when somebody
doesn't have first hand knowledge of a situation, they are the ones talking out of their ass, like you.



What they're trying to tell you is that you don't have 'first hand knowledge' either and yet you're questioning an expert in the field who did/does.


I am well aware of that, just know about they are not foolproof in certain cases.
You are also talking about the No. 1 QB, get the procedure done, it's not a backup LB for example...
I also said The Great Dr. James Andrews, is not foolproof,
because there are no guarantees with knee situations.
He turned out to be wrong in this case, and both him and
Shanny should frankly be ashamed how they both handled or
bungled the RGIII situation years ago, I felt bad for RGIII
back then! I knew it was just a matter of time from EXPERIENCE.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The irony is  
T-Bone : 8/8/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13552750 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13552728 T-Bone said:


Quote:


In comment 13552719 Carson53 said:


Quote:


In comment 13552663 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


what I am doing is the opposite of arrogant. I am saying the qualified medical professionals are the ones who I trust in making the determination about the course of medical treatment. Not someone on their couch who isn't even in a medical field.

You are saying, and this is f-ing awesome, you never even hurt your knee, but you hurt other body parts, and played semi-pro ball in a different sport, but...

you know better than James Andrews and the Dolphins team doctors who actually examined and treated Tannehill how he should have been treated.

but the people questioning your commentary here are arrogant? I don't think arrogant means what you think it means.

I'm sure you mean well, but when someone questions you about something you go off the rails.

one of the worst posters on here, I don't want to debate you on this or anything, I'm just going to avoid you from now on.

you win.



I have already said on this thread I have had two knee surgeries, unfortunately you don't read well, par for the course with some on here. I care that you are going to avoid me. I do not go off the rails, I think when somebody
doesn't have first hand knowledge of a situation, they are the ones talking out of their ass, like you.



What they're trying to tell you is that you don't have 'first hand knowledge' either and yet you're questioning an expert in the field who did/does.



I am well aware of that, just know about they are not foolproof in certain cases.
You are also talking about the No. 1 QB, get the procedure done, it's not a backup LB for example...
I also said The Great Dr. James Andrews, is not foolproof,
because there are no guarantees with knee situations.
He turned out to be wrong in this case, and both him and
Shanny should frankly be ashamed how they both handled or
bungled the RGIII situation years ago, I felt bad for RGIII
back then! I knew it was just a matter of time from EXPERIENCE.


I may be wrong but I thought the majority of the blame should've gone to Shanahan, if I remember correctly, because it was his call to put Griffin in the game DESPITE Andrews telling him not to? Am I remembering that wrong?

Nevertheless, yes... even the best doctors make mistakes. It happens. But considering that this has been one of the few of them... over the hundreds (if not THOUSANDS) of times he's been correct... I think you can give him a break for getting one or two wrong along the way.
You're wrong about RG3 too  
pjcas18 : 8/8/2017 12:33 pm : link
Andrews denies ever clearing him to return.

Quote:
When Washington Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III injured his knee on a gruesome collision in the fourth quarter of a 31-28 victory against the Baltimore Ravens on Dec. 9, he limped off the field for one play, then hobbled back into the huddle as fans and teammates held their breath.

Griffin, clearly injured and in pain, remained in the game for four plays before removing himself.

The following day, when the team revealed Griffin had suffered a sprained lateral collateral ligament, coach Mike Shanahan was asked why he had risked the health of his franchise quarterback by putting him back into the game.

Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."


Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.
RE: Like  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13552726 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
your misuse/lack of grasp of the word arrogance, I don't believe you know the definition of "first-hand" either.

Good luck with your learning
.

Okay buddy, you have a great grasp of the language,
hasn't helped with reading comprehension I see, LOL.
I don't misuse words, I know what I see on here.
Don't bother me, don't really care.

RE: You're wrong about RG3 too  
T-Bone : 8/8/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13552760 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
Andrews denies ever clearing him to return.



Quote:


When Washington Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III injured his knee on a gruesome collision in the fourth quarter of a 31-28 victory against the Baltimore Ravens on Dec. 9, he limped off the field for one play, then hobbled back into the huddle as fans and teammates held their breath.

Griffin, clearly injured and in pain, remained in the game for four plays before removing himself.

The following day, when the team revealed Griffin had suffered a sprained lateral collateral ligament, coach Mike Shanahan was asked why he had risked the health of his franchise quarterback by putting him back into the game.

Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.



Ha! I remembered correctly!
RE: 1 yr / $10M  
santacruzom : 8/8/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13550824 BlueManFu said:
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Very familiar with Adam Gase. Probably the best fit for both parties under all the circumstances. This move essentially give some the Phins the same chance of success as if Tannehill didn't get hurt in the first place. Good move by MIA.


I don't see why. Miami is not going to advance far into the playoffs simply by having Cutler on its roster this year. If his cap number makes it more difficult to sign any other players for multi-year contracts, I'd say it's pretty short-sighted.
RE: Or an even better question might be  
santacruzom : 8/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13552595 pjcas18 said:
Quote:

and most importantly when did you look at Tannehill's results to make your diagnosis that he should have surgery back in December?


Well that's easy. He looked at the results of the decision 8 months after it happened and declared, "Wrong decision!"
RE: You're wrong about RG3 too  
Carson53 : 8/8/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13552760 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
Andrews denies ever clearing him to return.



Quote:


When Washington Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III injured his knee on a gruesome collision in the fourth quarter of a 31-28 victory against the Baltimore Ravens on Dec. 9, he limped off the field for one play, then hobbled back into the huddle as fans and teammates held their breath.

Griffin, clearly injured and in pain, remained in the game for four plays before removing himself.

The following day, when the team revealed Griffin had suffered a sprained lateral collateral ligament, coach Mike Shanahan was asked why he had risked the health of his franchise quarterback by putting him back into the game.

Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.



Hey you moron, I was talking about the playoff game when his knee blew up, you need to take Reading Comp. 101. As I have stated on here before, there is a course near you!
Millenials like to go yap yap with their gums or in this case fingers. Reading comp. tends to not be a strong point
on a sports blog, have you noticed that, LOL!
blew up,
.  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2017 7:23 pm : link
Pretty sure pj is too damn old to be considered a Millenial.

Here's the rest of the article that pj didn't include:  
T-Bone : 8/8/2017 7:34 pm : link
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What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.


Quote:
I'm the one that shut him down that day, finally," Andrews said. "I've been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it.


Quote:
He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it's been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you."


Quote:
The risky behavior and apparent cover-up regarding Griffin's knee injury is even more curious when Andrews described the team's responsibility toward the rookie quarterback ó "to make sure he's OK for the next 15 years," Andrews said. "That's what you have to watch out for for players, because they don't know."


Sounds to me like Andrews wasn't 100% on board with Griffin playing and was overruled by Shanny.
RE: RE: You're wrong about RG3 too  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/8/2017 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13553232 Carson53 said:
Quote:
In comment 13552760 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Andrews denies ever clearing him to return.



Quote:


When Washington Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III injured his knee on a gruesome collision in the fourth quarter of a 31-28 victory against the Baltimore Ravens on Dec. 9, he limped off the field for one play, then hobbled back into the huddle as fans and teammates held their breath.

Griffin, clearly injured and in pain, remained in the game for four plays before removing himself.

The following day, when the team revealed Griffin had suffered a sprained lateral collateral ligament, coach Mike Shanahan was asked why he had risked the health of his franchise quarterback by putting him back into the game.

Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.





Hey you moron, I was talking about the playoff game when his knee blew up, you need to take Reading Comp. 101. As I have stated on here before, there is a course near you!
Millenials like to go yap yap with their gums or in this case fingers. Reading comp. tends to not be a strong point
on a sports blog, have you noticed that, LOL!
blew up,

In case you haven't uncracked the code, you're on a message board, not a blog. And you probably shouldn't be throwing around reading comprehension digs when you can't figure out how word wrap works. You can try to take the superior position if you want, but you should probably make sure you're completely buttoned up yourself. Otherwise, you might prove yourself to be a buffoon.
Im sorry, but when  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2017 11:39 pm : link
Did it become common place to accuse business owners of "blackballing" because they dont want to hire a person who they view as a pain in the ass? Newsflash: you can be that, put up excellent numbers and still be expendable. When you arent that good of a performer and you are viewed as a pain in the ass, you have pretty much signed your own death warrant.

This blackballing nonsense needs to cease. Colin Kaepernick has made a piss poor decision and has been an extremelt average to below avg NFL quarterback...thats why he isnt employed currently.

Best thing he can hope for is to get thru the whole season unemployed and sign a book deal (not a write a book) telling people how the NFL is racist and working against him. Fuvk him, he is the worst kind of loser.
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