Very familiar with Adam Gase. Probably the best fit for both parties under all the circumstances. This move essentially give some the Phins the same chance of success as if Tannehill didn't get hurt in the first place. Good move by MIA.
Why do you think the analyst door would close for him?
I don't know that it would, but there's basically what 9 nationwide positions with 4 organisations. He's accepted one, and seemingly immediately reneged on it I find it surprising if he's made peace with his career he'd potentially burn one of 4 possible post career analyst slots especially when NBC and ESPN aren't really hiring.
Why? Cutler was a much better choice. He knows the offense and the head coach, plus I think Cutler's a better QB anyway (I think most would agree). Plus Kaeps pro-Castro comments wouldn't play well at all with the Miami latin community.
Why? Cutler was a much better choice. He knows the offense and the head coach, plus I think Cutler's a better QB anyway (I think most would agree). Plus Kaeps pro-Castro comments wouldn't play well at all with the Miami latin community.
Did you watch football last year? Granted Cutler was injured and Kaep's Castro comments didn't sit well in Miami. But look at the link I attached. If you believe Cutler is a better QB than Kaep then I have a bridge to sell you. 2016 NFL stats. - ( New Window )
Terrell Owens last season in the NFL he was with CIN, and he had 72 catches for 983 yards and 9 TD's. He was 37 years old, but that was still good for top 20 in receptions and yards and top 15 in TD's among WR's.
In just 14 games.
In 2011, the next season, no one would give TO a job.
Where was the outrage?
He was coming off a far better season than Kaepernick was, and no one could use him even as a backup, 3rd WR?
so yes, Kaepernick is being avoided because teams do not view his talent to be worth it for the baggage he brings.
Is that blackballed? Who knows, at some point the inflection point between desperation and the lack of willingness to have to deal with the side show might be reached and he'll get a job.
Like Kaepernick, TO had tryouts, no one deemed him worth it with his talent level and antics.
Here is one quote from an article after TO had been unemployed two years and approaching 40:
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....In his most recent cry of desperation, which came on an NFL Network appearance (via ProFootballTalk), Owens "identified the Vikings and Chiefs as potential fits, and cited politics and his reputation as reasons for not having a job."
Frankly, Owens' past behavior played an integral role in the creation of said reputation—the one he believes is keeping him out of the league.
Sure, most of his indiscretions occurred more than five years ago, but reputations die hard....
Terrell Owens last season in the NFL he was with CIN, and he had 72 catches for 983 yards and 9 TD's. He was 37 years old, but that was still good for top 20 in receptions and yards and top 15 in TD's among WR's.
In just 14 games.
In 2011, the next season, no one would give TO a job.
Where was the outrage?
He was coming off a far better season than Kaepernick was, and no one could use him even as a backup, 3rd WR?
so yes, Kaepernick is being avoided because teams do not view his talent to be worth it for the baggage he brings.
Is that blackballed? Who knows, at some point the inflection point between desperation and the lack of willingness to have to deal with the side show might be reached and he'll get a job.
Like Kaepernick, TO had tryouts, no one deemed him worth it with his talent level and antics.
Here is one quote from an article after TO had been unemployed two years and approaching 40:
Quote:
....In his most recent cry of desperation, which came on an NFL Network appearance (via ProFootballTalk), Owens "identified the Vikings and Chiefs as potential fits, and cited politics and his reputation as reasons for not having a job."
Frankly, Owens' past behavior played an integral role in the creation of said reputation—the one he believes is keeping him out of the league.
Sure, most of his indiscretions occurred more than five years ago, but reputations die hard....
And to add full disclosure to this, Owens did have an injury at the end of 2010 that would have kept him out a lot of 2011 (ACL), but regardless still better on-field resume than Kaepernick and a position where generally teams can take more chances and there is more volume.
did Kaepernick set the league on fire last year or did he suck?
No doubt he's being avoided to an extent but he's also not very good. Why hire him?
Again follow my link. Why does it have to be either/or? There's 32 teams in the league. The vast majority of players fall somewhere between suck and set the league on fire. According to stats last year he was better than Eli based on QB rating, and if you don't believe NFL.com check QBR on ESPN
he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
RE: RE: Kaep w his Fidel shirt on top of the fact that Â
he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
The guy went to 3 NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl. Then half his team was traded/retired. He's gone under three coaching changes and a new front office. Name a successful QB who's had that type of turmoil. Do I think he's top 10 in the league? No, of course not. But, based on data alone he should start in this league. And with a good coach/team, the potential is there with him.
this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.
but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.
the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.
TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.
but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.
The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.
Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.
I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.
especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.
he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.
As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.
he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.
As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the
Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.
Blackballing implies that there is collusion or some other concerted effort to keep Kaepernick out of the league. I don't think that's necessarily the case here. It's entirely possible that given the limited number of open spots combined with the extremely sensitive (and high-profile) nature of Kaepernick's statements and actions, each team has independently decided that the potential distractions and negative fan reaction outweigh whatever upside he may bring.
Let's face it, even if you take the most optimistic view of Kaepernick strictly from a talent standpoint, the marginal talent upgrade probably isn't as close to the distraction he might create.
summed it up well. Team owners are running businesses. If I was one, I wouldn't hire someone who could adversely impact my goals and bottom line like Kaep.
The kneeling douche is better than Josh Johnson or Geno Smith Â
The guy should at the very least be of backup calibre on most teams and has the potential and skills to be more if he put it all together. Either he has no interest in that or teams are blackballing him.
At this point Kaepernick should just move to Canada and play CFL ball next season.
OH yeah Kaepernick is not being blackball by NFL at all
and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn Dolphins reportedly considered signing Tebow before deal with Cutler - ( New Window )
they also considered Kaepernick.
I think you need to consider when most people use the term blackballed they imply a concerted effort by those in power to restrict, limit, or deny service/rights to a party.
While I 100% agree Kaepernick is being avoided, I believe, and you can choose to believe what you want, it is individual team decisions that his talent does not outweigh the negativity or mere distraction his presence will create.
Like I said before, there will be injuries or losing or something that happens, and maybe the inflection point is reached, but right now it appears that teams don't value him enough with his baggage to sign him.
Blackballed? Not in my opinion.
Avoided? Absolutely on an individual team by team basis. Otherwise, explain the tryouts? there is no Kaepernick rooney rule. teams don't have to have him in for tryouts or meetings.
this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.
but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.
the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.
TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.
but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.
The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.
Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.
I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.
especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.
Irrelevant? Depends on who you ask I guess.
I really don't feel like getting involved in yet another Kaep thread for the 100th time. IMO, that's an incredibly stupid analogy though.
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
This is my issue too, how can a professional athlete not get ACL surgery? Thats stupidity. I tore and ACL 15 years ago and didn't get surgery. I really didn't need it to play golf and go to work. However I couldn't imagine even playing a tough 3-on-3 basketball game now, all the changing directions from cutting would definitely hurt something (assuming I was going full out). To me Tannehill not getting surgery was a massive blunder.
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
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I thought he had a tear, and that's why it was a better question to me, I know who Andrews is my friend.
It doesn't change the fact, you have the Pats,
and 3 little sisters of the poor in the AFC Least!
I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...
And I've thrown a football in the backyard with my son. I'm an expert on all things regarding QB'ing now.....
.
As I have told you, not worth my time, but carry on with your bad self. You and few others, just aren't worth
the time of day on a football blog, oh my.
Maybe your son can teach you something about football as well, LMAO!
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
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He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!
is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
.
He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!
A sprain is a when the fibers or threads of the tendon are stretched or slightly torn, so you clearly have done some solid research here.
Your comment was "the better question was not didn't he have surgery in December when the injury took place".
You are now suggesting that you are a better authority on patient treatment than Dr. James Andrews, who was the doctor treating Tannehill. If you cannot see the absurdity of your second-guessing and are lashing out at others because of it then that is on you.
From 12/22 11 days after the injury
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Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill is taking a proactive approach in the treatment of his knee injury.
According to multiple sources, Tannehill visited noted surgeon James Andrews in Pensacola, Fla., this week and received treatment on his left knee.
What’s clear, sources emphasized, is that Tannehill isn’t simply sitting back and seeing if the injury will heal on its own.....
From January 30:
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported on Monday that "Tannehill is not believed to need ACL reconstruction prior to '17 season, sources say. MRI today to confirm the good news." Rapoport also provided additional details on Tannehill's rehab:
But at this point, after countless strengthening and rehab exercises, Tannehill's knee is stable enough to feel confident going into the season, per sources.
Tannehill's MCL, which was also damaged in the late-season hit, is actually giving him more problems than the ACL. MCL sprains aren't fixed surgically, and he will be fine long before the season.
Tannehill has even played basketball as part of rehab to work on sudden movements, and his knee has held up well. He will likely wear a brace while playing going forward, but there is not the feeling of looseness in the knee that indicates more surgery is needed.
Tannehill had a healing procedure done by Dr. James Andrews a few weeks following the injury, and he may head to Germany for a knee procedure called Regenokine, a form of platelet-rich plasma therapy made famous by Lakers star Kobe Bryant. Essentially, it takes a patient's blood, spins it to separate the platelets, then is re-injected into the knee....
who absolutely have ZERO first hand knowledge of certain body parts, actually think they KNOW what they are talking about.
What a touch of arrogance that is, Dr. James Andrews may be
a "noted orthopedic surgeon", it doesn't mean he is not wrong on occasion. We all remember as a paid consultant for the
Redskins, who was on the sidelines with his stocking burgundy
and gold cap on how both he and Shanny blundered big time
on the RG III situation during that playoff game years ago.
Anybody who had knee surgery in the past knew he was about to
go down big time with his knee in that game. Yet, they allowed it to happen. He was obviously wrong in this situation, he should have insisted that Shanny remove him from the game, when it was obvious what was about to happen!
So noted orthopedic surgeons do make mistakes, they are not
fool proof, and I never said I know more than him, but I do
know what I see. I like when somebody presents a link
from the end of January, and we are now in August, that is recent, LOL. That's right you stretch or strain ligaments and cartliage, you do not sprain them, they use that expression sprain as typical football lexicon. A sideline reporter or a coach, or a reporter might use it, not an orthopedic specialist. My work is done here!
Why do you think the analyst door would close for him?
One year rental. Works for both parties better than bringing on a guy who half of Miami will be booing
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for a one year rental.
Why do you think the analyst door would close for him?
I don't know that it would, but there's basically what 9 nationwide positions with 4 organisations. He's accepted one, and seemingly immediately reneged on it I find it surprising if he's made peace with his career he'd potentially burn one of 4 possible post career analyst slots especially when NBC and ESPN aren't really hiring.
Kaepernick is NOT a great QB. I think he belongs in the league however.
One year rental. Works for both parties better than bringing on a guy who half of Miami will be booing
While the other half is left to Boo Cutler...:)
Want to clarify how he's dumb ornarw we just going for #MURICA.
Why? Cutler was a much better choice. He knows the offense and the head coach, plus I think Cutler's a better QB anyway (I think most would agree). Plus Kaeps pro-Castro comments wouldn't play well at all with the Miami latin community.
No doubt he's being avoided to an extent but he's also not very good. Why hire him?
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I don't know what is.
Why? Cutler was a much better choice. He knows the offense and the head coach, plus I think Cutler's a better QB anyway (I think most would agree). Plus Kaeps pro-Castro comments wouldn't play well at all with the Miami latin community.
Did you watch football last year? Granted Cutler was injured and Kaep's Castro comments didn't sit well in Miami. But look at the link I attached. If you believe Cutler is a better QB than Kaep then I have a bridge to sell you.
2016 NFL stats. - ( New Window )
Terrell Owens last season in the NFL he was with CIN, and he had 72 catches for 983 yards and 9 TD's. He was 37 years old, but that was still good for top 20 in receptions and yards and top 15 in TD's among WR's.
In just 14 games.
In 2011, the next season, no one would give TO a job.
Where was the outrage?
He was coming off a far better season than Kaepernick was, and no one could use him even as a backup, 3rd WR?
so yes, Kaepernick is being avoided because teams do not view his talent to be worth it for the baggage he brings.
Is that blackballed? Who knows, at some point the inflection point between desperation and the lack of willingness to have to deal with the side show might be reached and he'll get a job.
Like Kaepernick, TO had tryouts, no one deemed him worth it with his talent level and antics.
Here is one quote from an article after TO had been unemployed two years and approaching 40:
Frankly, Owens' past behavior played an integral role in the creation of said reputation—the one he believes is keeping him out of the league.
Sure, most of his indiscretions occurred more than five years ago, but reputations die hard....
Terrell Owens last season in the NFL he was with CIN, and he had 72 catches for 983 yards and 9 TD's. He was 37 years old, but that was still good for top 20 in receptions and yards and top 15 in TD's among WR's.
In just 14 games.
In 2011, the next season, no one would give TO a job.
Where was the outrage?
He was coming off a far better season than Kaepernick was, and no one could use him even as a backup, 3rd WR?
so yes, Kaepernick is being avoided because teams do not view his talent to be worth it for the baggage he brings.
Is that blackballed? Who knows, at some point the inflection point between desperation and the lack of willingness to have to deal with the side show might be reached and he'll get a job.
Like Kaepernick, TO had tryouts, no one deemed him worth it with his talent level and antics.
Here is one quote from an article after TO had been unemployed two years and approaching 40:
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....In his most recent cry of desperation, which came on an NFL Network appearance (via ProFootballTalk), Owens "identified the Vikings and Chiefs as potential fits, and cited politics and his reputation as reasons for not having a job."
Frankly, Owens' past behavior played an integral role in the creation of said reputation—the one he believes is keeping him out of the league.
Sure, most of his indiscretions occurred more than five years ago, but reputations die hard....
And to add full disclosure to this, Owens did have an injury at the end of 2010 that would have kept him out a lot of 2011 (ACL), but regardless still better on-field resume than Kaepernick and a position where generally teams can take more chances and there is more volume.
No doubt he's being avoided to an extent but he's also not very good. Why hire him?
Again follow my link. Why does it have to be either/or? There's 32 teams in the league. The vast majority of players fall somewhere between suck and set the league on fire. According to stats last year he was better than Eli based on QB rating, and if you don't believe NFL.com check QBR on ESPN
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
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They don't have to change the offense nearly as much made Cutler a better choice.
One year rental. Works for both parties better than bringing on a guy who half of Miami will be booing
While the other half is left to Boo Cutler...:)
Lol. Maybe. Have a feeling Gase is calling a LOT of running plays
Cutlets penchant for INTs will be the test.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
The guy went to 3 NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl. Then half his team was traded/retired. He's gone under three coaching changes and a new front office. Name a successful QB who's had that type of turmoil. Do I think he's top 10 in the league? No, of course not. But, based on data alone he should start in this league. And with a good coach/team, the potential is there with him.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
The irony is off the charts on this on.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.
but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.
the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.
TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.
but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.
The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.
Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.
I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.
especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.
The guy went to 3 NFC Championship games and the Super Bowl.
He only played in 2 NFC Championship games.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.
As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.
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he's nothing more than a stopgap and he isn't worth employing as just a stopgap with all the shit that comes with him. He's not good enough to offset the circus.
And do you know his contract demands? Is he willing to play for the vet minimum?
Well, Cutler didnt sign for the league minimum either. So teams had/have money to pay Kaep. When owners have come out and said they are thinking twice because fans have called/mailed in their voice, its kind of confirmed there's a bit of black-balling going on here.
As for the question about about Cutler giving up a potential 20 year broadcasting career,
1. I dont know how many players last 20 years in broadcasting, I'm guessing few
2. It would probably take him 10 years to make the $10 million the
Dolphins (with no state income tax) are paying him this year.
Blackballing implies that there is collusion or some other concerted effort to keep Kaepernick out of the league. I don't think that's necessarily the case here. It's entirely possible that given the limited number of open spots combined with the extremely sensitive (and high-profile) nature of Kaepernick's statements and actions, each team has independently decided that the potential distractions and negative fan reaction outweigh whatever upside he may bring.
Let's face it, even if you take the most optimistic view of Kaepernick strictly from a talent standpoint, the marginal talent upgrade probably isn't as close to the distraction he might create.
and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn
Dolphins reportedly considered signing Tebow before deal with Cutler - ( New Window )
At this point Kaepernick should just move to Canada and play CFL ball next season.
and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn Dolphins reportedly considered signing Tebow before deal with Cutler - ( New Window )
they also considered Kaepernick.
I think you need to consider when most people use the term blackballed they imply a concerted effort by those in power to restrict, limit, or deny service/rights to a party.
While I 100% agree Kaepernick is being avoided, I believe, and you can choose to believe what you want, it is individual team decisions that his talent does not outweigh the negativity or mere distraction his presence will create.
Like I said before, there will be injuries or losing or something that happens, and maybe the inflection point is reached, but right now it appears that teams don't value him enough with his baggage to sign him.
Blackballed? Not in my opinion.
Avoided? Absolutely on an individual team by team basis. Otherwise, explain the tryouts? there is no Kaepernick rooney rule. teams don't have to have him in for tryouts or meetings.
is there a difference? I think there is.
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this has nothing to do with the Kaep situation. This was simply the smarter move because of the familiarity of the coach and player. Nothing more, nothing less.
Which brings me to #2, I have no idea why Kaep's name is even being brought up?
And 3, that's a horrible analogy pj. It's not even close. T.O.'s antics were all about him and him alone. While the method Kaep decided to protest can definitely be called into question (shit I've questioned it myself) the purpose behind it wasn't and it wasn't just about him. It's very simple... if you've never dealt with unnecessary harassment or live in fear of it you probably won't give a shit about it. That's why a majority of Americans hate Kaep's method of protest more than they do what he's protesting.
I was just reporting what I read on twitter from national talking heads, the analogy wasn't created by me.
but T-Bone as a coach or FO member or owner of a PR conscious business it doesn't matter about #3, baggage is baggage PR is PR.
the good/bad whatever is irrelevant.
TO, IMO was far more valuable to an NFL team than Kaepernick. some people describe TO as a great teammate, ask Tony Romo about him, just like some teammates do about Kaepernick.
but as an organizations (like the Ravens for example) they evaluate the talent/value the player has vs the downside and make their decision.
The Dolphins did discuss Kaepernick. Cutler might know the system, but that's like saying Jared Lorenzen knows the Giants system so he's a better fit than a non-500 pound QB.
Another name mentioned on twitter was Barry Bonds, his final MLB season he was better than 75% of the league offensively, he could have at least DH'd, but no one wanted to deal with the Barry Bonds side show.
I think you could make a case that regardless of their "message" or "baggage" that both Bonds and TO would create less of a PR issue for any team that would have signed them than signing Kaepernick would.
especially in Miami with his Castro comments and their large Cuban population.
Irrelevant? Depends on who you ask I guess.
I really don't feel like getting involved in yet another Kaep thread for the 100th time. IMO, that's an incredibly stupid analogy though.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
This is my issue too, how can a professional athlete not get ACL surgery? Thats stupidity. I tore and ACL 15 years ago and didn't get surgery. I really didn't need it to play golf and go to work. However I couldn't imagine even playing a tough 3-on-3 basketball game now, all the changing directions from cutting would definitely hurt something (assuming I was going full out). To me Tannehill not getting surgery was a massive blunder.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...
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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
I thought he had a tear, and that's why it was a better question to me, I know who Andrews is my friend.
It doesn't change the fact, you have the Pats,
and 3 little sisters of the poor in the AFC Least!
And I've thrown a football in the backyard with my son. I'm an expert on all things regarding QB'ing now.....
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I have had two knee surgeries, I think I know this...
And I've thrown a football in the backyard with my son. I'm an expert on all things regarding QB'ing now.....
As I have told you, not worth my time, but carry on with your bad self. You and few others, just aren't worth
the time of day on a football blog, oh my.
Maybe your son can teach you something about football as well, LMAO!
Those are always awesome posts to read.
Now, let me carry on wit my bad self.....
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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!
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is why your No.1 QB who had an ACL tear at the end of last season, didn't just get the damn surgery. Why would the Dolphins be surprised he hurt his knee on a non-contact injury. This is just the latest microcosm, of the AFC Least.
You have the Pats, and the 3 little sisters of the poor.
The other three organizations can't get out of their own way!
As far as Kaep goes, I don't really care, said he should go to the CFL at the end of last year.
He had a sprain last year and Dr. James Andrews, who is probably the foremost authority on the globe about ACL's said he didn't need surgery.
So, why is that the better question?
When James Andrews says you don't need ACL surgery you don't have it anyway.
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He actually had a tear at the end of last year as I suspected, and not a sprain as you suggested. You should do a little more research as a suggestion.
You don't "sprain" ligaments or cartliage in a knee,
can you tell you from personal experience, see above!
A sprain is a when the fibers or threads of the tendon are stretched or slightly torn, so you clearly have done some solid research here.
Your comment was "the better question was not didn't he have surgery in December when the injury took place".
You are now suggesting that you are a better authority on patient treatment than Dr. James Andrews, who was the doctor treating Tannehill. If you cannot see the absurdity of your second-guessing and are lashing out at others because of it then that is on you.
From 12/22 11 days after the injury
According to multiple sources, Tannehill visited noted surgeon James Andrews in Pensacola, Fla., this week and received treatment on his left knee.
What’s clear, sources emphasized, is that Tannehill isn’t simply sitting back and seeing if the injury will heal on its own.....
From January 30:
But at this point, after countless strengthening and rehab exercises, Tannehill's knee is stable enough to feel confident going into the season, per sources.
Tannehill's MCL, which was also damaged in the late-season hit, is actually giving him more problems than the ACL. MCL sprains aren't fixed surgically, and he will be fine long before the season.
Tannehill has even played basketball as part of rehab to work on sudden movements, and his knee has held up well. He will likely wear a brace while playing going forward, but there is not the feeling of looseness in the knee that indicates more surgery is needed.
Tannehill had a healing procedure done by Dr. James Andrews a few weeks following the injury, and he may head to Germany for a knee procedure called Regenokine, a form of platelet-rich plasma therapy made famous by Lakers star Kobe Bryant. Essentially, it takes a patient's blood, spins it to separate the platelets, then is re-injected into the knee....
What a touch of arrogance that is, Dr. James Andrews may be
a "noted orthopedic surgeon", it doesn't mean he is not wrong on occasion. We all remember as a paid consultant for the
Redskins, who was on the sidelines with his stocking burgundy
and gold cap on how both he and Shanny blundered big time
on the RG III situation during that playoff game years ago.
Anybody who had knee surgery in the past knew he was about to
go down big time with his knee in that game. Yet, they allowed it to happen. He was obviously wrong in this situation, he should have insisted that Shanny remove him from the game, when it was obvious what was about to happen!
So noted orthopedic surgeons do make mistakes, they are not
fool proof, and I never said I know more than him, but I do
know what I see. I like when somebody presents a link
from the end of January, and we are now in August, that is recent, LOL. That's right you stretch or strain ligaments and cartliage, you do not sprain them, they use that expression sprain as typical football lexicon. A sideline reporter or a coach, or a reporter might use it, not an orthopedic specialist. My work is done here!