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Eight practices into training camp and the Giants have been good, they’ve been lucky and they’ve done nothing to temper the simmering expectations swirling around their 2017 season. There is a long way to go and nothing is ever won in early August, but anyone having happy palpitations and thinking big thoughts should anticipate an accelerated heart rate the remainder of the summer. The Giants are not a perfect team and there will be bumps along the way. After more than a week of camp, though, their strengths were reinforced as their concerns regressed. Eight practices into camp, the Giants are pretty darn good. MORE... |
@ Raiders and @ Broncos are the only really shitty draws.
Every other n/d game favors NYG.
I think 10 wins can win the division and any teams that don't win the division will be drawing the short stick at one of the two WC spots.
But I think we will win the division. Taking division games will be more important than ever this year.
I pretty much agree - though I think the Jets are a very safe bet to finish worse than 6-10 this year. Their offense is going to be very, very bad.
Having said that, this is a great team on paper. Oddly enough, my biggest concern is Eli showing his age. I'm not predicting it will happen, but it's plausible.
I’ve been kind of excited for this season but have been holding back on it. I am seeing more “Giants positivity” comments in the media and everyone seems excited when the Giants get brought up, I said “Shhhhhh! when everyone says the Giants are going to suck, thats when they have no shot. Duh.”
Seriously though, I think last year the team was good enough to go to the Super Bowl and face New England again. I think they just got unlucky playing Green Bay and Rodgers on the road in the first round. I certainly thought they were DEFINITELY good enough to beat Dallas in the second round. I had no fear about playing those clowns and the Giants beating them again.
Last year is over though, this is a completely new year. If this is the year to win the whole thing, this team is it. Only thing AGAIN, I’m still troubled about is that stupid offensive line with the same fucking names starring back at me, with nothing changed. Really? John Jerry for the past 4 years as a starter? Either way, if Ben and the play calling is consistent and isn’t God awful like it was last year on offense, at times, then I’m fine. Let this defense be punishing and give the fans at MetLife something to get LOUD about just like last year. By December that place was insanely loud.
Hopefully Odell puts on his big boy pants if the playoffs do come up again, unlike last season. That was a disappointment. That game should’ve been closer and a dog fight until the end but I really don’t have any issues with losing to the greatest (or one of) QB in the league in January. Nothing wrong with that. The score doesn’t bother me.
I just wanna get summer the fuck over with so we can get to football already.
With that said there were two seasons when I had my hopes the highest, the first was prior to the 1986 season, the only thing that kept me in check was that we had not won a Super Bowl yet.
The second season was the 2008 season, nothing could quell my optimism on that season, I was convinced we were the best team by far.
needless to say I was 1 out of two. I will admit this is the third time I have got that kind of good feeling about our team. I do not see a team out there that I look at and say we can't beat that team. The only two things that keep me a little cautious is the offensive line of coarse, and Eli, he has had a very good run that we need to continue, and he needs to raise his level of play this season, I think that is something he can and will do.
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Don't be surprised if we don't surpass our win total from last year.
There's a good chance this winds up being a 10-11 win team.
This isn't like the NBA where you just say "well, they have LeBron so they're going to the Finals"
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but there are a lot of moving parts in football and sometimes all it takes is one mistake at an inopportune time to lose a game. Divisional games are always close and there's not going to be a single team in this division that is easy to beat the way the Cardinals used to be or the way WSH has been a lot of times.
I don't put much weight on our schedule because you never really know who is going to be as tough or as bad as they were the year prior - but we certainly won't have an easy one.
I'm cautiously optimistic - I just think posters who think this team is winning 13-14 games might want to lower the bar just a tad before they wind up disappointed.
The OL could still cause a lot of problems for this team. If they can't prevent DE's from racing around the edge and getting to Eli before he hits his last dropback step, a lot of drives could go down the tubes. We can't keep Ellison attached to Flowers' hip on every pass play.
Now this I agree with. I don't like the Philly comparison, but this is spot on. The NFL changes week to week. Things can change in a split second. I think this team is loaded with talent, but the most talented teams don't always win in the NFL.
True, but if in tact, teams with an Eli can and should go deep, imo..Of course and unlike 2008, we don't lose an OBJ and/or field a weakened/fatigued D
A lot of very talented teams in NFC. TB and Arz will have excellent defenses and could be playoff teams. Plus Sea, GB, Atl, DAL DET and NO.
All with excellent QBs.
DET had a pretty good defense last year and drafted all defense. They've Good and fast in the back end on D. Slay is awesome. Stafford gives them a shot to make a run. He needed a big play guy. I don't think it's Jones who disappears too much. They guy to watch is the rookie Kenny Golladay. Huge and fast and impressing everybody. If you're drafting FF early, draft this guy and thank me later.
NFC is much deeper than AFC.. Giants are talented for sure but they could play well and still not make the playoffs.
None of the 2017 opponents have a match up advantage on the Giants. While there is none the 2017 Giants can't match up with. Last years D was a fledgling compared to the 2017 version. DC Spagnoulo is again trotting out many of his pressure packages from a 3 safety look. The D is developing a distinct aggressive persona which is evolving continuously with each practice in training camp.
The O is revealing a plethora of weapons that will prove a nightmare for opposing DC's to contain. The OL is deep with young talent that have shown a nasty disposition, which will manifest cohesion from there continuous battles with this D. Such attitude is always present for a good rushing attack. Give our franchise QB trust in his blockers and he will revert back to 2011, when Eli carried the team till they awoke to complement for the championship run.
In GB, Eli showed that he has not lost his playoff alter ego. Therefore given the continuous evidence of what is developing in East Rutherford we should be encouraged. I believe without reserve that the 2017 Giants have a champion roster. Not only for this season but dynasty level. The Giants are very young, 95% of the roster is either in their prime or on their rookie contract. Excluding Eli Manning, DeOssie, Marshall, DRC, Herzlich and Casillas every other member on the final roster will be under 30.
We are entering a new era in the Giants legacy, therefore embrace it, proclaim it and be blessed by it! I have been a fan and Giants supporter since 1964, my old handle was Makogman and I see a comparison with the 49er dynasty in talent. The skill positions are loaded with talented playmakers, the fronts talented with nasty depositions and a franchise QB as a field general.
12-4, 13-3, 14-2, better is all within the ability of the 2017 Giants. Just a caveat, imagine 2007 only the roles reversed and we go the distance. That is not out of the realm of possibility. Therefore believe in what you see, trust in your instincts, for there is a great possibility that they will be proven correct.
I can't remember a better Giants team on Paper in the 'Eli Manning era' maybe even beyond this era. Today's team is really good. Coaching and health will be a big factor if they reach the top.
Not for nuttin', but each year my predictions for this team is PLAYOFFS..I don't bother with W-L record projections..Just get in and I'll take my chances with Eli, assuming we're not missing key parts at that time
Nope, still take 2008 pre-moron.
Clearly 2017 has more elite talent with Beckham, Harrison, Collins, and DRC/Jenkins. Tuck is a wash and although obviously inferior to OV, Kiwi was no slouch with his hand in the dirt (v Pittsburgh stands out especially).
And were the 2017 Oline even at average level, I'd favor the 2017 team decidedly, but there is simply no comparison between:
Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, prime Snee, and Kareem (who all started 16 games IIRC.)
and 2017 which has 1 single proven & consistent Olineman.
Brandon Jacobs and especially Derrick Ward were not some world beater RBs. But duel 1k rushers is rare.
Then there's Eli Manning himself.
Not to diminish the current talent which I'm excited about, but 2008 was the definition of just a SOLID team.
(Fuck you Plax).
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2008 OL was elite.
2008 RBs were elite.
2017 WRs are better.
2017 TEs are better.
2017 DL is better (remember no Osi).
2017 LBs are better.
2017 Secondary is elite.
Not sure what the basis for saying the 2017 TE group is better is based on... Evan Engram hasn't played an NFL game yet. No one in this group has proven anything. Boss was never anything spectacular but he was good for 6 TD's in 2008.
The 2008 defense was a top 5 unit.
Dallas showed last year that when you have a dominant OL and a dominant ground game it has a trickle-down effect in many different ways.
First, it takes a LOT of heat off the QB. Teams can't play coverage or take men out of the box when you keep steamrolling them up front, so the QB is looking at single coverage often, can use play-action effectively, and you can also play a possession game that keeps the other team's offense off the field and wears down the opposing defense.
The biggest weakness the Giants have right now is... the OL.
2008 was 4.5/5 for capability (Diehl being the .5).
2017 is 1.5/5 (although, to be fair, indications are Richburg was playing hurt in 2016).
Without that discrepancy, ofc 2017 reigns supreme by a wide margin.
But it's too large a discrepancy to overlook when comparing the respective rosters.
Boss was ok. I find it hard to believe there's not Kevin Boss type production from this year's TE group and then some.
Really the only argument is 2008 Eli vs 2017 Eli and again, the fact that Eli was the best player on the field (for NYG) in January in Green Bay should put some minds at ease.
2) Get a first round bye
3) Get number 1 seed
4) Win the first playoff game (I.e. Don't peak too early / get too confident (see 2011 15-1 Packers))
5) Win second playoff game and get to Super Bowl
6) Win another damn Super Bowl! (Remember to 2000 season)
Dallas literally just won 13 games based almost entirely on the fact that they had an elite OL. Every single aspect of that team was borne out of the fact that they could control clock and wear teams down on the ground.
Dak Prescott never has the type of year he just had behind the OL we have.
So the overall roster makeup is dependent on whether or not the OL is great?
2008 was a more talented roster than 2011 for sure. Look at the results.
Doesnt change the fact that I'd take this roster over any in the Eli era.
All I'm saying is that you can't just gloss over it and assume it won't be an issue because everything else is better. Poor OL play can still wreck games by itself and it can neutralize the strength of our skill players.
Odell/Marshall/Shep/Engram sounds wonderful on paper but if Eli is constantly under duress, it won't matter.
Eli also had a sub-par year last year so if it was because of the OL, there's not a whole lot of reasons to believe that will change. If it was simply because he had a down year on his own merit, is one game in GB enough to give everyone confidence that it was nothing more than an off year?
Saying "we won 11 games last year and our roster is better on paper now, so we will win more than 11 games this year" sounds like sound logic, but in the NFL, it often doesn't work out like that because there are so many other factors that come into play.
I wouldn't call it sound logic if you don't even factor the tougher schedule and talent around the conference.
It's going to be a very tough road in the conference this year. It's wide open. Giants could play good ball and fail to make the playoffs.
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Saying "we won 11 games last year and our roster is better on paper now, so we will win more than 11 games this year" sounds like sound logic
I wouldn't call it sound logic if you don't even factor the tougher schedule and talent around the conference.
It's going to be a very tough road in the conference this year. It's wide open. Giants could play good ball and fail to make the playoffs.
Did you read my post? You're quoting me out of context.
As noted above, I'll start getting excited near the end of the season if we're in hunt and we're relatively healthy.
Let's pray we luck out with injuries.
I’ll, of course, take 10-6 and a SB victory over going 12-4 or w/e with home field advantage. At the same time, I would like some more playoff games in NJ. After the Ravens SB I think we’ve only had 3 for us to attend. That Atlanta game was so fucking wild. Second best game I've ever been to (after 2014 ECF for NY Rangers vs Montreal)
I’d say 2005 was the season I anticipated the most, this might be second. Someone mentioned 2003 as well, I’d put that up there for me too.
Seems they have decent depth at almost every position, even Oline. There may actually be no let down because of injury on the oline.
Coming off a Super Bowl victory, having a litany of pass rushers including a young, ascending JPP who looked like a superstar in the making, a trio of WR's who were virtually unstoppable down the stretch the previous year, a defense that really kicked it up in the playoffs.
Hell, we even started 6-2 and everything seemed like it was going according to plan.. and then the bottom just completely fell out from under that team and it became an absolutely disastrous finish to the year. The game in Atlanta was flat out embarrassing.
You just never know.
Hopefully Bromely and someone else can step up to aliviate the worries at DT or else I really worry about even a mild run of injuries on our defensive side.
Also, I only did not bring up our MIKE depth because I assume that Robinson will swallow a lot of those snaps in the nickel/dime.
Sometimes I see people make claims like that and wonder what exactly it's based on. Are there a list of teams that we can point to and say "see, this team definitely has better depth on the defensive side of the ball than we do.." ?
I'm genuinely curious.
I feel like the vast majority of NFL teams' starters along the defensive line aren't even as good as ours, nor are their DB's.