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Zeke will be suspended in 48 hours

Big Rick in FL : 8/7/2017 12:12 pm
PFT said most likely for 4 games. At least according to Cris Carter. Details in the link below.
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Guilt seems..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2017 1:02 pm : link
to be subjective with DV cases:

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4 games suspension. I'll take it the cheap way only because its Dallas
est1986 : 12:59 pm : link : reply
But has he been proven guilty of anything? And if not aren't you innocent until proven guilty? It seems a little unfair to Zeke, not that I care so much, he is a Cowboy but I have to say iI would be pissed if Eli got suspended for the memorabilia thing without any proof of guilt.


Josh Brown wasn't proven guilty, but more than enough people not only wanted him run out of town, but insinuated that Mara and McAdoo were scumbags for having him around as long as they did.
RE: Some of the comments in the article are great  
allstarjim : 8/7/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13551723 pganut said:
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In reference to the Zeke-as-Ewok meme


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August 7, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Hope he enjoys his vacation on Endor



RE: 4 games suspension. I'll take it the cheap way only because its Dallas  
bigbluescot : 8/7/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13551722 est1986 said:
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But has he been proven guilty of anything? And if not aren't you innocent until proven guilty? It seems a little unfair to Zeke, not that I care so much, he is a Cowboy but I have to say iI would be pissed if Eli got suspended for the memorabilia thing without any proof of guilt.


Looks like Carter is saying he's been told that it's due to Elliot destroying evidence ala Brady


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Now, it seems like someone at 345 Park Avenue has leaked to Cris Carter of FS1 the notion that Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott is about to be suspended, with some eye-opening details.

Via Ryan Glasspiegel of TheBigLead.com, Carter said on FS1’s Undisputed that “in the next 48 hours I would be shocked if Zeke was not suspended.” Carter added that, “based on the information that’s going to come out, it’s going to be fairly easy to determine that something happened to this woman in her four days of being with Zeke.” (The specific allegation is that Elliott committed five acts of domestic violence in a six-day window.)

Carter described the situation as a case of “assault or domestic violence,” and Carter hinted that “when the information comes out there’s going to be some similarities” to Tom Brady’s suspension, including “information that he had been advised possibly to give up, that was destroyed.”

Carter ultimately suggested that Elliott’s banishment will be in the range of Brady’s four-game suspension. If this happens, it will contradict multiple proclamations from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones regarding the absence of any evidence of domestic violence.
I'd rather see the Giants beat the Cowboys with Elliott playing  
GiantJake : 8/7/2017 1:04 pm : link
but if he committed a crime...he deserves a suspension.
RE: RE: This is BULLSHIT!!!!  
Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13551683 Cenotaph said:
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Giants fan or not, the NFL is overstepping on this...



I'd like to know what the problem is here....seems like the NFL has been pretty hands off with Zeke so far, maybe more so than they have in other similar cases. You can argue that you disagree with the NFL, but they have the right to suspend players for these types of actions, and a recent history with little tolerance so it's not like he's being treated harsher than anyone else...


Fair point Cenotaph.. The league can do whatever they want. No argument there.

I guess my problem has to do with the last part of your statement.. Punishing someone or over-punishing, based on a lack of action on prior cases is BS.. Judge this and any case on it's own merit..

But having said that.. The accuser is lying about being abused.. That has to mean something.. In what world is it OK to punish someone based on an accusation.. Even if you are ok with that, how is it ok to punish when the accusation is KNOWN to be BS??
RE: I think the suspension was delayed so it didn't  
shyster : 8/7/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13551697 robbieballs2003 said:
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overshadow the HoF inductions.


Perhaps. But I think jpennyva may be on target that the delay serves to allow the appeal process to be ongoing as of Week 1.

We'll see.
RE: RE: RE: This is BULLSHIT!!!!  
Rocky369 : 8/7/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13551737 Gussi41 said:
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... The accuser is lying about being abused...


Where did this come from?
RE: RE: We beat them twice with Elliott in the line-up  
andrew_nyg : 8/7/2017 1:15 pm : link
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last year. I'd rather have him on the field and have the defense amped up to stop them. It's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out...I don't want them to relax and get smacked when they least expect it.



Opening game? lol And you're talking about a "letdown?" Oy.


Try reading within the context of the statement: I wrote that "it's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out"

The context of which is: when you have a player for whom you need to gameplan and otherwise add more focus, and that player is not on the field, it is natural for the players who usually face that player to let down a bit because the requisite focus, gameplan and attention is seemingly not as urgent with a "back-up player".

I don't believe te team will let down, but let's say the back up RB is juiced up for this opportunity behind their OL and decides to ball out...it's natural that the defense may not be expecting such a performance.
RE: Just because someone hasn't been prosecuted  
est1986 : 8/7/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13551726 robbieballs2003 said:
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doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. Ray Rice was never found guilty of anything in a court of law. I am pretty sure the charges were dismissed. Does that mean his wife wasn't knocked out?


True... But then again there was Video... Do you know why he wasn't prosecuted?
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NoPeanutz : 8/7/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13551749 est1986 said:
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doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. Ray Rice was never found guilty of anything in a court of law. I am pretty sure the charges were dismissed. Does that mean his wife wasn't knocked out?



True... But then again there was Video... Do you know why he wasn't prosecuted?

It was Janae's fault, not Ray's. I thought that's why she apologized on TV.
I'll Bet That Regardless Due To No Suspension Or An Appeal  
Trainmaster : 8/7/2017 1:57 pm : link
Elliott will play vs the Giants on the opening Sunday night. Jerruh will make it happen.
My gut says he misses just 1 game, and no appeal  
SGMen : 8/7/2017 1:57 pm : link
Dallas is deep at RB so I don't see this being too huge of a game 1 issue really.

If he is in fact suspended 4 games, he'd have to appeal and see if it can't get reduced to 3 or less.
Does no one remember that Zeke exposed a woman's body in public?  
adamg : 8/7/2017 1:57 pm : link
That alone should have warranted serious punishment by the league. He's not a victim of circumstance like Gareon Conley was leading into the draft. He's done enough stupid things that there well may be fire behind the DV smoke.
I'm almost certain  
mrvax : 8/7/2017 2:05 pm : link
because of the fact we play the Cows game 1 again, that Zeke will not be suspended until week 2 or later.
Fuck him and the Cowboys  
B in ALB : 8/7/2017 2:15 pm : link
..  
big_blue : 8/7/2017 2:16 pm : link
I think the suspension was delayed so it didn't
robbieballs2003 : 12:48 pm : link
overshadow the HoF inductions.


+1
RE: It's Dallas  
djm : 8/7/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13551617 Jay on the Island said:
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watch it be reduced to 1-3 games before the season begins.


Why does everyone say this? Dallas players have been suspended left and right lately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is BULLSHIT!!!!  
Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13551744 Rocky369 said:
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... The accuser is lying about being abused...

Where did this come from?


Ha. I thought this was common knowledge. Check this site out:
DeadSpin
RE: .  
Reb8thVA : 8/7/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13551652 arcarsenal said:
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And I really don't care if Dallas fans use it as an excuse if we beat them - he played in both games last year and we beat them both times. I'll take a win against Dallas any way it comes. The whole "I'd rather beat them at full strength" thing never made sense to me.


It makes sense in this way. Dwelling on whether Elliot will play or not comes across to a certain degree as weak and kind of elementary school. Why obsess over whether he plays or not? (that is not directed at you or anyone specific) We beat em twice last year. They should be more worried about solving our defense. Fuck Dallas!
was also let off  
msh : 8/7/2017 2:28 pm : link
for the whole jumping in the kettle thing any other player did that they would have been flagged/fined and possibly more people overlook the fact that deflategate was more about brady not co-operating and destroying evidence than the actual deflating if he isnt co-operating with the investigation and hiding or destroying evidence then the precedence was already set for 4 games ala brady

who is talking himself into more trouble with the whole none of your business attitude to his concussions i would say that proves he did and that the patriots covered it up i dont buy the whole playing for another 4 years crap either that comment by his wife was her calling time and the fact the patriots turned down a ton of high picks for garropollo also speaks to the patriots thinking he is maybe on his last year also

Assuming he's innocent of the original charges  
grizz299 : 8/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
there's a pattern that goes back to college and seems compulsive. The man's out of control and can be compared to Johnie Football.
there's an alleged cover up of a bar room fight last year. A bar room fight with another cover-up just a few weeks ago. Theres the appearance in the pot shop. There's even a 100 mph speeding incident in Dallas itself.
Consider: The man's under investigation for abusing a woman and he pulls another woman's blouse down and against her will exposes her breasts.
That's bad from every viewpooint, but given the background and the admonitions to keep himself clean, it's more than just revealing. With millions on the line, with a superbowl perhaps within reach, his compulsion was so strong that he couldn't stop destructive patterns. And like Manzel it seems evident that there's a substance abuse problem.
His father moved to Ohio to protect him through college.
I think mandatory counseling and a rigid set of standards offered in severe reprimand might help him, but that's what he needs, help.
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adamg : 8/7/2017 2:35 pm : link
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... The accuser is lying about being abused...

Where did this come from?



Ha. I thought this was common knowledge. Check this site out:
DeadSpin


Lying about one alleged incident doesn't mean there is nothing to the report. Did you read through the 70+ pages of materials there and conclude it was all a hoax? Or did you read one reporter's take on one document in the set?
RE: RE: RE: We beat them twice with Elliott in the line-up  
Rory : 8/7/2017 2:38 pm : link
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last year. I'd rather have him on the field and have the defense amped up to stop them. It's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out...I don't want them to relax and get smacked when they least expect it.



Opening game? lol And you're talking about a "letdown?" Oy.



Try reading within the context of the statement: I wrote that "it's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out"

The context of which is: when you have a player for whom you need to gameplan and otherwise add more focus, and that player is not on the field, it is natural for the players who usually face that player to let down a bit because the requisite focus, gameplan and attention is seemingly not as urgent with a "back-up player".

I don't believe te team will let down, but let's say the back up RB is juiced up for this opportunity behind their OL and decides to ball out...it's natural that the defense may not be expecting such a performance.


pretty sure the Giants will be juiced to play their first game against a div rival who always seems to get the press and the headlines. let down a little ? not gonna happen dude
4 games? He will miss the rest of the pre-season!  
Reale01 : 8/7/2017 2:39 pm : link
Seriously, I have said several times that the CB will appeal and the appeal will not be decided until after week 1. To me the most significant element is that this is strike one. Further problems could lead to significant issues for the CB.
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allstarjim : 8/7/2017 2:41 pm : link
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And I really don't care if Dallas fans use it as an excuse if we beat them - he played in both games last year and we beat them both times. I'll take a win against Dallas any way it comes. The whole "I'd rather beat them at full strength" thing never made sense to me.



It makes sense in this way. Dwelling on whether Elliot will play or not comes across to a certain degree as weak and kind of elementary school. Why obsess over whether he plays or not? (that is not directed at you or anyone specific) We beat em twice last year. They should be more worried about solving our defense. Fuck Dallas!


I just think it means we are competing for the most amount of wins possible by the end of the regular season, so any development that enhances our chances of getting a win I'm in favor of. Nobody will care come playoff time if Zeke played in week 1 or not. And yes, they should be more worried about solving our defense, but that doesn't mean taking away their best player doesn't help us.

But, it is kind of ridiculous to obsess over it...either way, none of have any control over what happens so anytime anyone anywhere obsesses over something they have no control over it's a waste of energy.
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2017 2:41 pm : link
strike 1 matters for DV. Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice weren't known as repeat offenders. Nor was Greg Hardy.
RE: RE: RE: This is BULLSHIT!!!!  
Beezer : 8/7/2017 2:42 pm : link
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Giants fan or not, the NFL is overstepping on this...

Overstepping ... how?



With regards to the DV case..

Not even going to mention that the case is dismissed..

The allegation is BS.. The "victim" is lying.. Not just me saying this. It's in court documents that she told her GF to tell the investigators that Zeke pushed her out of a moving car and hit her, etc.. Something to that effect..


Oh.

Well, since you have this all locked down, Elliott shouldn't be concerned.
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Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13551852 adamg said:
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... The accuser is lying about being abused...

Where did this come from?



Ha. I thought this was common knowledge. Check this site out:
DeadSpin



Lying about one alleged incident doesn't mean there is nothing to the report. Did you read through the 70+ pages of materials there and conclude it was all a hoax? Or did you read one reporter's take on one document in the set?


No.. I read the part about telling her GF she lied and the part about the DA dropping the case.. I'm sure they read the 70+ pages..
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speedywheels : 8/7/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13551829 Gussi41 said:
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... The accuser is lying about being abused...

Where did this come from?



Ha. I thought this was common knowledge. Check this site out:
DeadSpin


You do realize that a suspension - if it actually occurs - would be based more on just this incident, right?
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adamg : 8/7/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13551872 Gussi41 said:
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No.. I read the part about telling her GF she lied and the part about the DA dropping the case.. I'm sure they read the 70+ pages..


Exactly. You read one article and deemed the entire case null and void. You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about this case, considering you know about as much as anyone with a passing knowledge of it.
The "I want us beat them at full strength" crowd  
B in ALB : 8/7/2017 3:06 pm : link
is hilarious.

1. You're not on the team

2. If you were on the team, you'd be happy as hell that one of their best players is out.

C. You're not on the team.
RE: The  
Big Blue '56 : 8/7/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13551904 B in ALB said:
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is hilarious.

1. You're not on the team

2. If you were on the team, you'd be happy as hell that one of their best players is out.

C. You're not on the team.


New Math? 1, 2 and C? 😎
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Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13551883 adamg said:
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No.. I read the part about telling her GF she lied and the part about the DA dropping the case.. I'm sure they read the 70+ pages..



Exactly. You read one article and deemed the entire case null and void. You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about this case, considering you know about as much as anyone with a passing knowledge of it.


Yes and the like you said, I know about as much as anyone.. Funny I didn't see anybody else mentioning that article pointing out, what you deemed, a "minor little detail".. I'll also in add in the fact the the DA threw out the case..

You can only choose one side here.. Zeke or the accuser..

Just so I understand this.. You're telling me that even after confirmation that she made up a story about getting dragged out of a car and involving her GF in that lie and the DA dropping the case because of "inconsistent information across ALL incidents", you're still siding with the accuser??

Remarkable..
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Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13551883 adamg said:
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Exactly. You read one article and deemed the entire case null and void. You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about this case, considering you know about as much as anyone with a passing knowledge of it.


... and you mentioned preaching.. I don't know ya'll from a hole in the wall plus I'm not in the business of trying to convince NOBODY. I'm just pointing out that "minor" detail..

We're not talking about falsifying your job application. We're talking about an accusation that could put you in JAIL.. Forget football suspension.. Prison..

I'm sorry, I can't dismiss that as a "minor" incident, brushing it aside as a mistake and continue to move in the direction that he actually did something..

It's funny to me, there's 2 (maybe 3) sides to every story, but it seems that we never seem to believe that its even remotely possible that the accuser is the one that is lying..
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adamg : 8/7/2017 3:36 pm : link
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No.. I read the part about telling her GF she lied and the part about the DA dropping the case.. I'm sure they read the 70+ pages..



Exactly. You read one article and deemed the entire case null and void. You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about this case, considering you know about as much as anyone with a passing knowledge of it.



Yes and the like you said, I know about as much as anyone.. Funny I didn't see anybody else mentioning that article pointing out, what you deemed, a "minor little detail".. I'll also in add in the fact the the DA threw out the case..

You can only choose one side here.. Zeke or the accuser..

Just so I understand this.. You're telling me that even after confirmation that she made up a story about getting dragged out of a car and involving her GF in that lie and the DA dropping the case because of "inconsistent information across ALL incidents", you're still siding with the accuser??

Remarkable..


Don't misattribute shit to me please. Don't lie about what I said. Re-read my posts before responding with this shit post.
How many career wins does Zeke  
averagejoe : 8/7/2017 3:39 pm : link
have vs Gmen ???


RELAX. It's more fun beating Dallas at full strength.
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chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13551910 Gussi41 said:
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No.. I read the part about telling her GF she lied and the part about the DA dropping the case.. I'm sure they read the 70+ pages..



Exactly. You read one article and deemed the entire case null and void. You shouldn't be preaching to anyone about this case, considering you know about as much as anyone with a passing knowledge of it.



Yes and the like you said, I know about as much as anyone.. Funny I didn't see anybody else mentioning that article pointing out, what you deemed, a "minor little detail".. I'll also in add in the fact the the DA threw out the case..

You can only choose one side here.. Zeke or the accuser..

Just so I understand this.. You're telling me that even after confirmation that she made up a story about getting dragged out of a car and involving her GF in that lie and the DA dropping the case because of "inconsistent information across ALL incidents", you're still siding with the accuser??

Remarkable..


You obiously didnt read thw ehole thing. Regarding the text messages:

"Included in the documents released by the prosecutor’s office are images of text messages. It’s hard to tell exactly who is communicating with whom based on the images, "


The prosecutor dropped the charges because the case would have been impossible to prove and it probably wasnt worth the time.

Also, calling that article an example of "common knowledge" is just inaccurate.

Not saying he did beat her up or didnt, but you make it sound like he was cleared of any wrong doing. He wasnt. Prosecutor just didnt have a case.

Also, the league sees a trend in behavior and acts accordingly. They are not bound by the same statute of limitations as the courts just as any other employer isnt. You would run the risk of losing your job if wind of these three incodents that you may or may not have been involved with got back to your boss.
I dont get people being upset  
Glover : 8/7/2017 3:46 pm : link
about Zeke possibly being suspended. Someone said NFL is overstepping their boundaries? NFL is a 9+ billion dollar a year industry and they also happen to have a problem (not just an image problem) with their employees engaging in domestic violence. They need to do whatever they want to stem this problem. It's in the bargaining agreement. Some states are Right to Work states. They can fire an employee without any cause. Roger Goodell has the power to possibly suspend Zeke, and he wouldnt do that if there was not some pretty hard evidence that it happened. He had the right to throw the book at Sean Payton, Gregg Williams and the Saints players for having locker room bounties for knocking players out, had the right to insist that it was not OK for even the biggest star in the game, Tom Brady, to violate what many thought was an insignificant rule. The guy has the power, and I have no problem with that. Has he fucked up along the way? Sure. But I dont mind the top guy in the league handling situations as they present themselves. He would have benefitted from some more sage advice at times, but it is what it is, and thats the way it's going to be for the foreseeable future.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We beat them twice with Elliott in the line-up  
andrew_nyg : 8/7/2017 3:53 pm : link
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last year. I'd rather have him on the field and have the defense amped up to stop them. It's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out...I don't want them to relax and get smacked when they least expect it.



Opening game? lol And you're talking about a "letdown?" Oy.



Try reading within the context of the statement: I wrote that "it's natural to let down a little when a key opponent is out"

The context of which is: when you have a player for whom you need to gameplan and otherwise add more focus, and that player is not on the field, it is natural for the players who usually face that player to let down a bit because the requisite focus, gameplan and attention is seemingly not as urgent with a "back-up player".

I don't believe te team will let down, but let's say the back up RB is juiced up for this opportunity behind their OL and decides to ball out...it's natural that the defense may not be expecting such a performance.



pretty sure the Giants will be juiced to play their first game against a div rival who always seems to get the press and the headlines. let down a little ? not gonna happen dude


I'm glad you're so certain that they'll be equally fired up to stop a back-up running back as they would be Elliott (who BTW is pretty much the center of all the press and headlines these days).

All the same, I'd rather they played against him and won.
Goodell  
pjcas18 : 8/7/2017 3:56 pm : link
said today at Giants camp that no decision has been made re: Elliott.
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Gussi41 : 8/7/2017 3:59 pm : link
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You obiously didnt read thw ehole thing. Regarding the text messages:

"Included in the documents released by the prosecutor’s office are images of text messages. It’s hard to tell exactly who is communicating with whom based on the images, "


Actually, I did read the whole thing but everything else you said was fair.

What can make me say that is you said "Not saying he did beat her up or didnt".. You at least gave him that benefit of the doubt..

Also, I really thought it this info was common knowledge.. Reading some of the responses here, convinces me that I couldn't have been more wrong.. Definite mistake on my part.

One more thing and I'm done, maybe, with this.. Women beaters DISGUST me. Let me just get that out the way before people think I'm defending a known worm. This is from a father of 2 beautiful young women BUT, I'm also a father of a wonderful young man AND in my early 20's, I was accused of serious incident.

I can tell you from first hand experience that there is NOTHING WORSE in life than having been accused of something that ONLY you and God KNOW is a lie.. I learned at a young age that they females lie too and have no problems shedding tears at the snap of a finger..

It's sickening feeling watching that play out..
RE: Fellas, whether he misses  
Milton : 8/7/2017 4:00 pm : link
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opening day or not, that OL, even with 2 new starters, is still quite formidable.
What makes you say that? An OL is only as strong as its weakest link. Cooper at the top of the OLG depth chart is not something he earned, but something he was handed. And he flopped with three other teams, so no reason as yet to believe he isn't a liability. And Collins is still very much unproven. He was well thought of coming out of college, but has proven nothing in his first two years in the league. It's not as if he was getting rave reviews before being lost for the season to injury last year. He was still very much a work-in-progress.
RE: The  
Mr. Bungle : 8/7/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13551904 B in ALB said:
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is hilarious.

1. You're not on the team

2. If you were on the team, you'd be happy as hell that one of their best players is out.

C. You're not on the team.


4. The Giants are usually not at full strength for most of these games, either. So why insist that the opponent be?
Our results against Zeke and Dak last year  
Big Blue '56 : 8/7/2017 4:26 pm : link
are absolutely meaningless as it pertains to this year. In fact, we EASILY could have lost both, so this, "we beat them twice last year with Zeke, so we could/should do it again with him playing this year," is silly, imo
RE: Fellas, whether he misses  
BMac : 8/7/2017 4:30 pm : link
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opening day or not, that OL, even with 2 new starters, is still quite formidable, which means that any back or backs by committe that step(s) in are capable of putting up a buck twenty-five


True, but our DL ain't chopped liver.
RE: The  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2017 4:33 pm : link
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is hilarious.

1. You're not on the team

2. If you were on the team, you'd be happy as hell that one of their best players is out.

C. You're not on the team.


The 'I want them @ full strength' line never ceases to make me laugh.
RE: Guilt seems..  
BMac : 8/7/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13551727 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to be subjective with DV cases:



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4 games suspension. I'll take it the cheap way only because its Dallas
est1986 : 12:59 pm : link : reply
But has he been proven guilty of anything? And if not aren't you innocent until proven guilty? It seems a little unfair to Zeke, not that I care so much, he is a Cowboy but I have to say iI would be pissed if Eli got suspended for the memorabilia thing without any proof of guilt.



Josh Brown wasn't proven guilty, but more than enough people not only wanted him run out of town, but insinuated that Mara and McAdoo were scumbags for having him around as long as they did.


Innocent until proved guilty doesn't apply. The NFL isn't a courtroom and he appears to have violated a contract point. Appearance alone is all the NFL needs to lay the wood.
Elliot playing with a suspension and the distraction  
joeinpa : 8/7/2017 5:36 pm : link
And resentment it might cause for that team, might be a bigger advantage for the Giants then him missing the game.

Teams have used the loss of key personal before to come together and play better.
RE: Our results against Zeke and Dak last year  
ZogZerg : 8/7/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13552030 Big Blue '56 said:
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are absolutely meaningless as it pertains to this year. In fact, we EASILY could have lost both, so this, "we beat them twice last year with Zeke, so we could/should do it again with him playing this year," is silly, imo


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Exactly BB56. Some people just never learn.
And, the D having a let down because Zeke isn't playing - LOL! People actually believe this shit? It's the fucking Cowboys on opening day.
Good  
PatersonPlank : 8/7/2017 8:14 pm : link
I hope he's out for a long time.
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