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August 7 Training Camp Observations

Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 4:41 pm
Indoor practice today not open to the public. I liked being in there, simply to switch things up a little and it kept everyone on one field. So for the most part, we got to see everyone, as no one was a field away.

Sorry but no proofreading again, in a rush.

OFFENSE NOTES

-WR Sterling Shepard was out there for the beginning of practice, he was moving aggressively. I think itís safe to say he is ready to rock within a week.

-QB Geno Smith is on a little run. He is making some really nice throws on all levels and it appears his timing with receivers in addition to understanding the scheme is coming along. Geno is more gifted than Johnson and if he continues to improve at this rate, he has a very good shot at winning the backup job.

-Good to see QB Davis Webb out there after practice again. You can tell this kid is a worker.

-The QBís were airing it out a little more today than what weíve seen, as it looked like some deep passing was a focus. This was equally beneficial for WRs, DBs, and QBs. Manning threw a deep ball (40+ yards) to Marshall up the right sideline. I had a good vantage point and right after the ball reached itís apex, I immediately assumed 5-6 yard overthrow. Then Marshall accelerated and showed off his reach, tipping the ball to himself a couple times and eventually coming down with it. Very impressive pitch and catch and it looks like 10 to 15 chemistry is coming along. They hooked up a few times today in tight windows.

-Still unsure where WR Roger Lewis is on this depth chart. He worked as the teamís #3 guy with King and Shepard out of action in team drills. He is an impressive athlete but doesnít quite seem to have the body control and consistent hands. He dropped a deep pass today and then didnít locate another one but responded with a deep TD catch a few plays later.

-WR Darius Powe may have an inside track at winning the final WR spot. He is big and physical and I think this team needs another one of those guys if Marshall were to ever go down. He had a couple of really nice catches today including one where he burned Janoris Jenkns. WR Travis Rudolph, weíve discussed a few times, does so many things well but I think it is a legit concern if he can separate and/or catch passes in traffic at his size/speed combo.

-I got to watch a lot of OT Bisnowaty vs. DE Moss today, the two rookies. Bisnowaty won most, if not all of the one on one fights. He anchored well, maintained good position and accuracy with hands, and adjusted to the double moves. Moss was winning the leverage battle but didnít seem to have the power to get a consistent push.

-OC Brett Jones had an impressive day. I have to think he is the primary OC backup and a definite for the 53 man roster. One thing that stands out with him, he does NOT get pushed back when he anchors those feet in.

-We may need to get used to TE Evan Engram making plays on a daily basis now. His speed jumps out at me every time he goes after the ball and makes a move north after the catch. He burned S Landon Collins a couple times. Collins also had a hard time sticking with TE Rhett Ellison on an out cut. Ellison is a better short area athlete than I thought.

-OL Michael Bowie is likely on the outside looking in at this point, but he has some extra pop about him today. He appears to have overwhelming power when he has things lined up correctly.

-A practice squad candidate a WR has had 2-3 really good days in a row. UDFA Jerome Lane from Akron 6í3/225 and has been making some tough catches in traffic. Very strong presence when he attacks the ball. He is #6 if you guys watch Friday night.

DEFENSE NOTES

-DT Robert Thomas didnít practice today which meant more looks for Jay Bromley. Iím not sure we have seen enough out of him to warrant excitement, but he still shows flashes. He is a big, big dude with some solid straight line burst. He just needs to show more consistent pad level.

-CB Donte Deayon is a fun kid to watch and I think everyone is rooting for him, including his teammates. At his size, itís unlikely he will make the team but he continues to make plays. Iíve been wanting to see him matchup against Beckham because they are both elite movers. Deayon got his shot once today and stuck with him on an in cut. The negative, however, is that he gets tossed around by receivers when they block. WR Shepard and WR Harris just owned him on WR blocking driils. He did intercept QB Josh Johnson during team drills though. He is making his case.

-BJ Goodson got beat in coverage a couple times today. He was close though. We know it wonít be his strength as a LB, but this team needs to make sure they donít get beat up the middle yet again this year.

-I am having a hard time figuring out how this team will figure out the LB depth chart behind the top 5. Deonte Skinner and Curtis Grant are excellent straight line athletes. Skinner made a couple plays in coverage today, that could be an avenue for him to make his impact.

-Eric Pinkins, whom we talked to after practice, is a physical gem. Tall, long, strong, and fast. He is high hipped and struggles to make quick breaks and change direction laterally, but I think this kid has to make the team. He may be one of the more versatile defenders on the team. Experience at S, LB, and CB in addition to a defensive weapon on special teams. He is pumped to start his endeavor to make the roster Friday night. Look for him.

-CB Valentino Blake is the teamís #5 CB I think, as of now. We will see what happens in the games but he has been playing better each day. He has the game experience that some others do not and there is a physical style about him. This defense wants to be nasty and that fits in to the way Blake approaches things. If I had to decide Blake or Deayon right now, I think NYG would lean towards Blake.

-CB Eli Apple may have had his best day. He stuck with Marshall for the most part in his limited opportunities. He is showing the blend of size and speed you want, but he also did a nice job of sniffing out routes and throws ahead of time. That is huge for him.

-DT Corbin Bryant is a really impressive looking guy. He has a short area burst and violence about him that can be a weapon. Does he have the ability to eat up double teams? Can he be a pass rusher here? Not sure but he deserves a look in these games coming up.

3 STANDOUTS

-QB Eli Manning: I think this was Eliís ďrust is offĒ day. He threw a bunch of really pretty looking balls downfield. He also stepped up in the pocket and fit some passes in to really right windows. He is making the effort to build up that chemistry with Marshall and Engram, two new weapons that offer him things he didnít have last year. That is one of the more important parts to this preseason process.

-TE Will Tye: Another day, another TE looks to be stepping up and making his case. Part of me thinks the Rhett Ellison signing is the kick that will put Tye on the street at the end of preseason. They are similar styled players and Ellison isnít going anywhere. Tye made a couple of really tough catches over the middle on the move. Outstretched arms with defenders bearing down. As I said last week, he looks quicker than a year ago.

-CB Nigel Tribune Ė A guy I havenít mentioned at all in these reports yet. He is a body-control corner that went undrafted out of Iowa State. He showed a physical side last week when he beat up WR Kevin Snead at the point of attack multiple times, and today he showed great balance and ball skills when covering WR Rudolph. He made a great play on the ball on 4th and Goal on a pass from Smith to Rudolph. That fifth CB spot is up for grabs and if they wan a quicker slot type corner, Tribune is in the mix as much as anyone.

August 7 Interview and Highlights

outstanding stuff  
Pep22 : 8/7/2017 4:49 pm : link
especially on Jones, Pinkins, Deayon
Sy ...  
Beer Man : 8/7/2017 4:50 pm : link
One of the knocks on Darius Powe has been that he has trouble getting separation. Are you seeing that?
I was thinking this as well  
DavidinBMNY : 8/7/2017 4:52 pm : link
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-WR Darius Powe may have an inside track at winning the final WR spot. He is big and physical and I think this team needs another one of those guys if Marshall were to ever go down. He had a couple of really nice catches today including one where he burned Janoris Jenkns. WR Travis Rudolph, weíve discussed a few times, does so many things well but I think it is a legit concern if he can separate and/or catch passes in traffic at his size/speed combo.


Glad to see he is doing well. I think Lewis, if he makes it is specials teams based. However, if Blake makes the team, do they need both as special teams aces in addition to Harris. I can't see all making it.
Very nice to read about Geno..  
Chris684 : 8/7/2017 4:53 pm : link
Been rooting for him. Felt any characterization of him after time with Jets would be a bit unfair. He has the tools and the toughness. Character and smarts were his hang ups but you see what a stable locker room and organization from top to bottom can do for a young QB.

I think if the so far uncharted territory of Eli having to miss a handful of games presents itself, Geno might be the type of guy who can preserve the season until he's back.
Thanks Sy!  
Jay in Toronto : 8/7/2017 4:54 pm : link
It would be nice if Marshall takes Powe under his wing.

Also have you had a chance seeing Deayon returning kicks?
RE: Very nice to read about Geno..  
Milton : 8/7/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13552078 Chris684 said:
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Been rooting for him. Felt any characterization of him after time with Jets would be a bit unfair. He has the tools and the toughness. Character and smarts were his hang ups but you see what a stable locker room and organization from top to bottom can do for a young QB.

I think if the so far uncharted territory of Eli having to miss a handful of games presents itself, Geno might be the type of guy who can preserve the season until he's back.
My hope for Geno is that he does enough in the preseason (and week 17 when the Giants rest Eli because they have homefield wrapped up) to get the attention of the rest of the league and signs a fat contract in 2018, thus garnering the Giants a mid-round comp pick in 2019.

Next year's draft is good for QBs, but I could picture a team signing Geno to a two-or-three year deal with $5M+ guaranteed and then drafting a QB in round one (similar to what Chicago did with Glennon and Trubitsky). Such a deal could mean a 4th or 5th round pick for Big Blue in compensation. Maybe even a 3rd round pick, because sometimes these contracts include a lot of fake, never-to-be-earned money that counts in the comp formula but means very little in reality (i.e., the deal includes only $6M in year one, but averages $12M over the length of the contract).
Why isn't Brett  
XBRONX : 8/7/2017 5:34 pm : link
Jones in the mix for starting RG?
RE: Why isn't Brett  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13552106 XBRONX said:
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Jones in the mix for starting RG?


Because John Jerry is the #1 guard with D.J. Fluker the #2 right guard.

Jones also lacks the size of a classic right guard.
If the Giants dress seven OL (which I think is likely) on game day...  
Milton : 8/7/2017 5:45 pm : link
The two backups could be Jones and Fluker with Jones backing up left guard and center, Fluker backing up right guard and right tackle, and Pugh moving to left tackle if Flowers gets hurt (with Jones then sliding in at left guard).
Really rooting for Travis Rudolph  
section125 : 8/7/2017 5:45 pm : link
but if he cannot get separation that isn't good. He is slightly built and not sure there is room for growth. I still think he'd be a good slot receiver. He has quickness and smarts.

Not hearing about Flowers or Hart having a bad day is really a good sign. I'm certain that with reps against our DEs, if Flowers keeps with proper technique it will overtake his bad techniques.
Sy, Is there any weakness on the defense?  
George from PA : 8/7/2017 5:48 pm : link
you seem to gush over the Starters and most of the depth.

I love to see them in action against another team.
RE: Sy, Is there any weakness on the defense?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13552119 George from PA said:
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you seem to gush over the Starters and most of the depth.

I love to see them in action against another team.


FYI, in the two July BBI podcasts, Sy covered both the strengths and weaknesses of the team.
Thanks Sy. Great interview with Pinkins. He's is BIG.  
Marty in Albany : 8/7/2017 5:58 pm : link
It's like having an extra LB out there. That would add a lot to stopping RBs on third and short.

The thing that really impresses me about him is his confidence and intelligence. Hopefully that will convert to quickly learning the playbook and a more rapid reaction time in coverage. Big guys like him are seldom agile enough to recover from mistakes as the 200 pounders, so they better play smart.

Hopefully he will learn to co-exist with Jackrabbit.
Sy, I am interested for more  
chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 6:03 pm : link
Info on the FBs, Smith and Huesmann. You seemed to indicate that Huesmann is the better athlete but Smith is the classic power FB. Not to mention this could be a huge shift in what we see offensively this year if one of thwm is the goods.

I saw an interview with Huesmann who admits himself that he is going to struggle with the physical aspect of blocking as a FB. But Shane Smith had very limited touches at San Jose St. (something like 3 carries and 25 catches in 4 years) and would love to know how they both look. You mentioned them a couple of reports ago, but would really appreciate some more insight into these two.

I would love to see a beast FB who can blow open a hole or even catch a dump off inside the 10.

Thanks for your input.
RE: Sy, I am interested for more  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13552130 chopperhatch said:
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Info on the FBs, Smith and Huesmann. You seemed to indicate that Huesmann is the better athlete but Smith is the classic power FB. Not to mention this could be a huge shift in what we see offensively this year if one of thwm is the goods.

I saw an interview with Huesmann who admits himself that he is going to struggle with the physical aspect of blocking as a FB. But Shane Smith had very limited touches at San Jose St. (something like 3 carries and 25 catches in 4 years) and would love to know how they both look. You mentioned them a couple of reports ago, but would really appreciate some more insight into these two.

I would love to see a beast FB who can blow open a hole or even catch a dump off inside the 10.

Thanks for your input.


Sy has written about Shane Smith a bunch in his reports.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 6:10 pm : link
Eric Pinkins was very well spoken. Seems like a bright guy.
I've been on the Powe  
Earl the goat : 8/7/2017 6:16 pm : link
Bandwagon since last year. Pinkins makes a huge addition to this defense as a hybrid
Not rooting for Bromley. I thing Thomas and Bryant make the team
Tye is a goner
Interesting competition with Grant Skinner and Munson at LB

Any news on Ishaq Williams ?
RE: I've been on the Powe  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13552147 Earl the goat said:
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Bandwagon since last year. Pinkins makes a huge addition to this defense as a hybrid
Not rooting for Bromley. I thing Thomas and Bryant make the team
Tye is a goner
Interesting competition with Grant Skinner and Munson at LB

Any news on Ishaq Williams ?


Ishaq Williams is on IR.
RE: RE: Sy, I am interested for more  
chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13552137 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13552130 chopperhatch said:


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Info on the FBs, Smith and Huesmann. You seemed to indicate that Huesmann is the better athlete but Smith is the classic power FB. Not to mention this could be a huge shift in what we see offensively this year if one of thwm is the goods.

I saw an interview with Huesmann who admits himself that he is going to struggle with the physical aspect of blocking as a FB. But Shane Smith had very limited touches at San Jose St. (something like 3 carries and 25 catches in 4 years) and would love to know how they both look. You mentioned them a couple of reports ago, but would really appreciate some more insight into these two.

I would love to see a beast FB who can blow open a hole or even catch a dump off inside the 10.

Thanks for your input.



Sy has written about Shane Smith a bunch in his reports.


Yea I saw the first one that said he hits aggressively. I was more curious about if Sy had seen him catching the ball, his turn up field, etc...
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arcarsenal : 8/7/2017 6:21 pm : link
Great stuff, Sy!
chopperhatch  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2017 6:24 pm : link
Did you see his interview with Shane Smith? They talked about this a bit. That was a really good interview.
RE: chopperhatch  
chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 6:51 pm : link
In comment 13552155 Eric from BBI said:
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Did you see his interview with Shane Smith? They talked about this a bit. That was a really good interview.


Oh no I did not! Thanks man. Sorry, I mustve forgotten to look at that one.
Just saw  
chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 7:25 pm : link
That practice piece. Awesome stuff with Smith. The guy looks like a worker and a beast. He could be the new piece I am most excited to see because we didnt have that since Hynoski. This kid seems much more of an athletic threat and am salivating at that red zone opportunity, can this guy out along with our 3 WR package. A threat to punch open a hole for Perkins or catch a little flare and turn up field.
Thanks, Sy.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/7/2017 7:47 pm : link
Enjoying learning more and more about Pinkins
like always  
feelflows : 8/7/2017 7:47 pm : link
thanks, Sy. I look forward to these daily. Great insight.
RE: Why isn't Brett  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13552106 XBRONX said:
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Jones in the mix for starting RG?


This team just signed Jerry to a long term deal. Nobody is passing him on the depth chart during preseason.
RE: Sy, I am interested for more  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13552130 chopperhatch said:
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Info on the FBs, Smith and Huesmann. You seemed to indicate that Huesmann is the better athlete but Smith is the classic power FB. Not to mention this could be a huge shift in what we see offensively this year if one of thwm is the goods.

I saw an interview with Huesmann who admits himself that he is going to struggle with the physical aspect of blocking as a FB. But Shane Smith had very limited touches at San Jose St. (something like 3 carries and 25 catches in 4 years) and would love to know how they both look. You mentioned them a couple of reports ago, but would really appreciate some more insight into these two.

I would love to see a beast FB who can blow open a hole or even catch a dump off inside the 10.

Thanks for your input.


I'll get more on them tomorrow...but as I have said before, Smith is the power guy, Huesman is the versatlle guy. History tells me NYG wants the versatile guy.
RE: Thanks Sy!  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13552079 Jay in Toronto said:
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It would be nice if Marshall takes Powe under his wing.

Also have you had a chance seeing Deayon returning kicks?


Yes he has returned a few...
RE: Sy ...  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13552071 Beer Man said:
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One of the knocks on Darius Powe has been that he has trouble getting separation. Are you seeing that?


He has the quick twitch, but not sure he has the advanced route running just yet. I think he can improve there kind of like what NYG had in Amani Toomer, but will they keep him around long enough to watch him develop is the question.
RE: RE: Sy ...  
Jay in Toronto : 8/7/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13552245 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13552071 Beer Man said:


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One of the knocks on Darius Powe has been that he has trouble getting separation. Are you seeing that?



He has the quick twitch, but not sure he has the advanced route running just yet. I think he can improve there kind of like what NYG had in Amani Toomer, but will they keep him around long enough to watch him develop is the question.


Well as I had intimated/hoped earlier, perhaps Marshall can be his Chris Carter
Did you guys know?  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 9:10 pm : link
Pinkins and Berhe played together 4 years at San Diego State
RE: RE: Sy, I am interested for more  
chopperhatch : 8/7/2017 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13552243 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13552130 chopperhatch said:


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Info on the FBs, Smith and Huesmann. You seemed to indicate that Huesmann is the better athlete but Smith is the classic power FB. Not to mention this could be a huge shift in what we see offensively this year if one of thwm is the goods.

I saw an interview with Huesmann who admits himself that he is going to struggle with the physical aspect of blocking as a FB. But Shane Smith had very limited touches at San Jose St. (something like 3 carries and 25 catches in 4 years) and would love to know how they both look. You mentioned them a couple of reports ago, but would really appreciate some more insight into these two.

I would love to see a beast FB who can blow open a hole or even catch a dump off inside the 10.

Thanks for your input.



I'll get more on them tomorrow...but as I have said before, Smith is the power guy, Huesman is the versatlle guy. History tells me NYG wants the versatile guy.


Wow. Is that you saying you think Huesman has a leg up? Because it seemed in that practice report like the nod was being given to Smith.

Very interested to see how this plays out. Would really like Smith to show off some hands so that we have a battering ram as well as a reliable receiver out of the backfield. Everything I have read about Huesman so far has been less than impressive.
Regarding the FBs  
Sy'56 : 8/7/2017 9:40 pm : link
I really don't know...they are very different players. What does NYG want? McAdoo has liked to get them the ball in the past...
Good stuff SY  
WillVAB : 8/7/2017 10:06 pm : link
Anything of note on the OL starters?
Great stuff Sy.  
Beezer : 8/7/2017 10:57 pm : link
Really appreciate reading your insights.
RE: Did you guys know?  
SHO'NUFF : 8/8/2017 12:15 am : link
In comment 13552257 Sy'56 said:
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Pinkins and Berhe played together 4 years at San Diego State


Don't forget Munson was on the same Rocky Long defense. Those boys can hit. We had McFadden, too, for awhile...another Aztec.
RE: RE: Why isn't Brett  
SHO'NUFF : 8/8/2017 12:16 am : link
In comment 13552242 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13552106 XBRONX said:


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Jones in the mix for starting RG?



This team just signed Jerry to a long term deal. Nobody is passing him on the depth chart during preseason.


Jones filled in nicely at Guard for a game.
CB  
tikimvp : 8/8/2017 12:48 am : link
Who is the 4th? Hunter is a lock to make the team? Sorry I am behind...thank you for the informative reports
Sy  
Phil in Joisey : 8/8/2017 12:57 am : link
I haven't been posting lately, but I just had to jump in to thank you for your daily training camp reports. You are providing a fantastic non-biased service. Reading the daily papers is a freakin'. You are the real thing!
Many, many kudos and an equal number of thank yous.
Sy, I just listen to the original defensive podcast....  
George from PA : 8/8/2017 7:11 am : link
and you seem to indicate that Robinson is our best Nickle LBer.....but while he has been out on concussion protocol.

who has replaced his role? has anyone step up. Can Eric P....the long/big safety handle that position well?

you are impressed by Goodson.....
Can't help but think that with Engram, Ellison and Marshall  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/8/2017 9:04 am : link
Posts about traditional FBs are like posts about fighting the last war.

The only situation we might use a FB as a better alternative is perhaps goalline, and I would bet that Jones or even Herzlich (if he has to make the team again) could handle that specialty block.

Needless to say, an injury to Engram should bias the team to a more conventional look.
Marshall looks like he's moving very well.  
BigBlueWhale : 8/8/2017 9:24 am : link
As Eli said, his physicality on the LOS creates immediate separation and you just throw him open. But I've been watching BMarsh at practice and I've got to say, he is moving far better than he was last year. He isn't *just* a physical LOS guy. Living in NYC I see enough Jets football to know what they have and don't have. I thought Marshall was showing some signs of slowing down last year. Still very good but he looked heavy. (2 seasons ago with Fitzpatrick he was lights out.)

This is just my observation, and I know he and Eli aren't in sync yet, but the guy looks like he's found his legs and is in much better shape than he was last year.
I wonder it Brett Jones  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2017 9:31 am : link
ends up our starting center in 2018. We pay Pugh and let Richburg walk.
I hope after the 1st preseason game  
Rudy5757 : 8/8/2017 10:36 am : link
the Giants cut one of the QBs so Webb gets more activity. Being 4th on the DC it seems like he is getting very little opportunity. I was hoping that he would have an outside shot at #2 but it looks like there is no chance for that. Reports seem very positive on him. Wondering what some of the negatives are?

Sounds like we are going to have to cut some pretty solid players this year. I am wondering if we have some trade possibilities on the roster at TE, WR, QB, DB and maybe some other spots.
Rudy it seems like  
area junc : 8/8/2017 12:10 pm : link
the decided upon strategy is to give Webb a Redshirt year. He has an Aaron Rodgers-type toolset IMO but he is a total teardown, rebuild as are most college QBs. Some teams run a simplified system to tailor to the rookie QB but the Giants are doing it the "right way", allowing him reasonable time to master the footwork and terminology before they ask him to play.

I like that - it's being conservative and allowing him to reach his full potential.

And the Giants are, without a doubt, one of the few teams in the league with a backup QB who could win games as a starter. Geno is an easy punchline but the guy can play, and has the mobility and ability to throw on the run you're looking for in a WCO. If Eli went down, the season would not be over with Geno stepping in. He could be a Hostetler IMO.
RE: RE: Why isn't Brett  
Milton : 8/8/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13552242 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13552106 XBRONX said:


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Jones in the mix for starting RG?



This team just signed Jerry to a long term deal. Nobody is passing him on the depth chart during preseason.
It's a three year, $10M deal with $3.3M guaranteed that gives Jerry a buyout option after year one, so he is "unofficially" in a contract year. If nobody passes Jerry on the depth chart during the preseason it will be because he outperformed the competition and not because of his contract.
I was hopeful with Powe  
Bluesbreaker : 8/8/2017 8:53 pm : link
like his size although not a blazer he is a long strider
I just not a big fan of Tye I mean the effort is there but
I think we have enough weapons let Adams and LaCosse benefit more upside with both of them .
RE: Rudy it seems like  
section125 : 8/8/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13552710 area junc said:
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the decided upon strategy is to give Webb a Redshirt year. He has an Aaron Rodgers-type toolset IMO but he is a total teardown, rebuild as are most college QBs. Some teams run a simplified system to tailor to the rookie QB but the Giants are doing it the "right way", allowing him reasonable time to master the footwork and terminology before they ask him to play.

I like that - it's being conservative and allowing him to reach his full potential.

And the Giants are, without a doubt, one of the few teams in the league with a backup QB who could win games as a starter. Geno is an easy punchline but the guy can play, and has the mobility and ability to throw on the run you're looking for in a WCO. If Eli went down, the season would not be over with Geno stepping in. He could be a Hostetler IMO.


I don't think Geno is as good as Jeff was, but you are right. With Geno, if healthy, they would have a fighting chance while Eli was out (knockwood).
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