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Mike from SI : 8/8/2017 7:07 pm
This sounds like it's coming to a head. Leave the politics out of it; we're all on the same side on this.
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yeah - watching the news now -  
Del Shofner : 8/8/2017 7:09 pm : link
Good Lord. Hopefully cool heads will prevail across the board.
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B in ALB : 8/8/2017 7:10 pm : link
Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.
I can't imagine North Korea is that  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/8/2017 7:14 pm : link
Stupid.
How can the politics be kept out of it?  
RDJR : 8/8/2017 7:17 pm : link
If it's not political, what is it?
So many conflicts going on now  
Anakim : 8/8/2017 7:23 pm : link
But the US/North Korea conflict might be the impetus to you know what...
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section125 : 8/8/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:
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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.


Backwards, no? Reaction to $1 bill sanctions.

But it is believed to have been made up by So Korean press.
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Go Terps : 8/8/2017 7:25 pm : link
I don't think this is a left v right, GOP v Dem thing.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/8/2017 7:30 pm : link
Though it might be a pro-POTUS v anti-POTUS thing.

That aside, there's plenty of crazy on the North Korean side no matter who is in the White House.

You'd think Kim has gamed this out far enough to know that if he launches an attack against Guam, nuclear or conventional, he's going to get the brunt of a full nuclear response from the U.S. It would be choosing suicide. (Whether that's a good idea or not, that's the likely next step.)

But what if his calculation is different? Or, what if he thinks he's a goner anyway, and prefers this to going quietly? Or, what if he thinks he can invoke Mutually Assured Destruction as a deterrent to American retaliation, and that if he shows his capability by attacking Guam, the U.S. will be forced into stalemate?

Or what if he's just plain loony?

Never mind our guy. Their guy could start the whole thing off.

And the Chinese are probably thinking: "Hmm, if a war happens, the rogue state in Korea is ended, which is good for us. The U.S. is discredited in Asia and becomes a pariah state, which is good for us. Our economic rival South Korea is weakened, maybe for a century or more, and that's good for us economically. Japan, our historic enemy and rival, probably gets dinged, that's good for us strategically. Maybe in the chaos, there's an opening for us to seize Taiwan, which could help us restore greater China and end the humiliating legacy of the Opium Wars and the early 20th century "spheres of influence," and that's good for us. So our message to Washington: 'Terribly sorry, Mr. President, but there's nothing we can do to help.'"
China  
B in ALB : 8/8/2017 7:36 pm : link
Is the key here. Do they engage diplomacy and negotiate by proxy? Or do they sit back and watch the fireworks without engaging anyone?
RE: I don't think this is a left v right, GOP v Dem thing.  
Mike from SI : 8/8/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13553258 81_Great_Dane said:
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Though it might be a pro-POTUS v anti-POTUS thing.

That aside, there's plenty of crazy on the North Korean side no matter who is in the White House.

You'd think Kim has gamed this out far enough to know that if he launches an attack against Guam, nuclear or conventional, he's going to get the brunt of a full nuclear response from the U.S. It would be choosing suicide. (Whether that's a good idea or not, that's the likely next step.)

But what if his calculation is different? Or, what if he thinks he's a goner anyway, and prefers this to going quietly? Or, what if he thinks he can invoke Mutually Assured Destruction as a deterrent to American retaliation, and that if he shows his capability by attacking Guam, the U.S. will be forced into stalemate?

Or what if he's just plain loony?

Never mind our guy. Their guy could start the whole thing off.

And the Chinese are probably thinking: "Hmm, if a war happens, the rogue state in Korea is ended, which is good for us. The U.S. is discredited in Asia and becomes a pariah state, which is good for us. Our economic rival South Korea is weakened, maybe for a century or more, and that's good for us economically. Japan, our historic enemy and rival, probably gets dinged, that's good for us strategically. Maybe in the chaos, there's an opening for us to seize Taiwan, which could help us restore greater China and end the humiliating legacy of the Opium Wars and the early 20th century "spheres of influence," and that's good for us. So our message to Washington: 'Terribly sorry, Mr. President, but there's nothing we can do to help.'"


The last thing the Chinese want is thousands of North Korean refugees fleeing into their country.
Pro-war propaganda or  
madgiantscow009 : 8/8/2017 7:37 pm : link
crazy Kim?

Do the people closest to Kim  
bubba0825 : 8/8/2017 7:40 pm : link
Really want to go down this road that would mean there ultimate demise? Could there be a coup in the works?
A bold bet on how much we care  
Deej : 8/8/2017 7:41 pm : link
about Guam.
RE: RE: I don't think this is a left v right, GOP v Dem thing.  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13553267 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13553258 81_Great_Dane said:


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Though it might be a pro-POTUS v anti-POTUS thing.

That aside, there's plenty of crazy on the North Korean side no matter who is in the White House.

You'd think Kim has gamed this out far enough to know that if he launches an attack against Guam, nuclear or conventional, he's going to get the brunt of a full nuclear response from the U.S. It would be choosing suicide. (Whether that's a good idea or not, that's the likely next step.)

But what if his calculation is different? Or, what if he thinks he's a goner anyway, and prefers this to going quietly? Or, what if he thinks he can invoke Mutually Assured Destruction as a deterrent to American retaliation, and that if he shows his capability by attacking Guam, the U.S. will be forced into stalemate?

Or what if he's just plain loony?

Never mind our guy. Their guy could start the whole thing off.

And the Chinese are probably thinking: "Hmm, if a war happens, the rogue state in Korea is ended, which is good for us. The U.S. is discredited in Asia and becomes a pariah state, which is good for us. Our economic rival South Korea is weakened, maybe for a century or more, and that's good for us economically. Japan, our historic enemy and rival, probably gets dinged, that's good for us strategically. Maybe in the chaos, there's an opening for us to seize Taiwan, which could help us restore greater China and end the humiliating legacy of the Opium Wars and the early 20th century "spheres of influence," and that's good for us. So our message to Washington: 'Terribly sorry, Mr. President, but there's nothing we can do to help.'"



The last thing the Chinese want is thousands of North Korean refugees fleeing into their country.


It isn't beyond the Chinese to just put 100K men at the Yalu with guns trained on any refugees that might cross the border
Hard to believe he's really crazy enough to do it  
TJ : 8/8/2017 7:43 pm : link
If he does I believe the US is capable of destroying any NK aerial or seagoing offensive capability in a matter of hours or less. And I'm betting dear leader and most of his senior military and government officials will be toast by then as well. I wonder if that forces China to step in to prevent complete chaos on their border. And I'm wondering if they only occupy enough area to give themselves a buffer or if they move right up to the SK border?
RE: China  
section125 : 8/8/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13553266 B in ALB said:
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Is the key here. Do they engage diplomacy and negotiate by proxy? Or do they sit back and watch the fireworks without engaging anyone?


Doubtful that they want nuclear fallout drifting across the border along with those refuges.
They need to shit or get off the pot. They have allowed this "monster" to get out of hand. The think it is funny to have this dick screw with us. They are likely looking for concessions concerning their claims in the So China Sea.....screw them.
RE: Hard to believe he's really crazy enough to do it  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13553275 TJ said:
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If he does I believe the US is capable of destroying any NK aerial or seagoing offensive capability in a matter of hours or less. And I'm betting dear leader and most of his senior military and government officials will be toast by then as well. I wonder if that forces China to step in to prevent complete chaos on their border. And I'm wondering if they only occupy enough area to give themselves a buffer or if they move right up to the SK border?


Nope, it would take much longer than that without using nukes and Seoul is cooked either way since it is within NK artillery range or would be hit by lethal fallout if nukes were used near the DMZ
Bring us peace, Dennis Rodman  
Anakim : 8/8/2017 7:48 pm : link
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RE: A bold bet on how much we care  
Anakim : 8/8/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13553271 Deej said:
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about Guam.


I believe there are a couple of military bases in Guam
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B in ALB : 8/8/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13553276 section125 said:
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In comment 13553266 B in ALB said:


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Is the key here. Do they engage diplomacy and negotiate by proxy? Or do they sit back and watch the fireworks without engaging anyone?



Doubtful that they want nuclear fallout drifting across the border along with those refuges.
They need to shit or get off the pot. They have allowed this "monster" to get out of hand. The think it is funny to have this dick screw with us. They are likely looking for concessions concerning their claims in the So China Sea.....screw them.


Good thing we got the guy who makes the best deals on our side. This has become a shit show. I'm sure the distraction is oddly welcome though.
To rephrase that comment above, millions in SK will die  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 7:50 pm : link
either way

1. If we use conventional weapons, NK will mortar Seoul to rubble before we take everything out along the DMZ

2. If we use nukes, Seoul gets hit by fallout and most of the area is irradiated
The only way out of this mess is to ask China to jerk the chain on  
Tom in NY : 8/8/2017 7:52 pm : link
their pet dog, which is N.Korea/Kim.

N.Korea doesn't exist without China, going all the way back to 1950 and continuing through to the current economic aid they provide.

Get China to smack Kim across the nose to preserve the peace. The current economic environment is too strong (for all, including China) to all this little nut job to screw it up for everyone else.
We all do need to come together....  
Dry Lightning : 8/8/2017 7:54 pm : link
We have tried talking for 25 years. They have broken every promise, they have broken every treaty. It looks like war. We can not have any half measures here. North Korea must be wiped off the face of the earth. Even that does not guarantee a nightmare for us. If they want to capitulate, and give up there weapons, fine. Barring that, we need to hit them with EVERYTHING we have. And pray.
RE: The only way out of this mess is to ask China to jerk the chain on  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13553285 Tom in NY said:
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their pet dog, which is N.Korea/Kim.

N.Korea doesn't exist without China, going all the way back to 1950 and continuing through to the current economic aid they provide.

Get China to smack Kim across the nose to preserve the peace. The current economic environment is too strong (for all, including China) to all this little nut job to screw it up for everyone else.


Someone finally came up with the right answer here...

Additionally, any major Korean conflict will seriously damage the global economy because SK is the 10th or 11th largest economy on Earth (and if it got wider and Japan were involved, would lead to a massive depression)
This will sound political, but it isn't intended to be  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/8/2017 7:55 pm : link
Because if HRC said it, it would scare the hell out of me too. Last year, before he won, DJT questioned what the purpose of having nuclear weapons was if we didn't use them.
RE: yeah - watching the news now -  
LAXin : 8/8/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13553237 Del Shofner said:
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Good Lord. Hopefully cool heads will prevail across the board.


But what would be a cool headed response by the U.S.? Sanctions, negotiations, military excercises near by, urging Russia and China to intervene -- which one of these has not been tried half a dozen time before?

Can't help but recall the sharp contrast 15 years ago: Saddam Hussein swore that he had no WMD, the U.S. said yes you do, you are just lying, and we coming to get you. Kim of N. Korea swore that he had WMD, the U.S. said no you don't, you are just bluffing, and we are just going to talk more. It's absolutely gold comedy if it weren't so gravely serious.


Two dickheads in a  
mikeygiants : 8/8/2017 7:58 pm : link
penis measuring contest.
So much ridiculous bluster it's making Rex Ryan jealous  
Overseer : 8/8/2017 7:59 pm : link
and Teddy Roosevelt is doing God Damned barrel rolls in his grave after what was so casually said this afternoon. Positively mind-blowing.

In between NOT speaking softly and carrying a big stick, we should be formally proclaiming that we do not seek to depose your regime, Kim Jong-Un (obvious lie), do not wish to start a war, and only seek to protect our allies and ourselves. Self-preservation is his paramount concern: he doesn't want to give up his pleasure squads. (A real thing, by the way. Those poor women.)

All while...

A) continuing to pressure Beijing and assuring them that an eventual freed DPRK need not be re-unified (because, really, who cares?) but instead will be de facto China and American troops will forever remain south of the 38th, and

B) continually maintaining and updating all military options should shit hit the fan (obviously this planning is already occurring).

Measured containment doesn't get his our dick hard, I get it. But the time for a clean(ish) straightforward toppling of the Kims is long gone, if it ever existed.

In short, don't be like this guy (funny as he may be):

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Bchurch : 8/8/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:
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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.


Not judging the person, but lets take a look at this quote...
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"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.

Well... They just threatened Guam.. So are we going to war? If that quote holds true it sounds like we are... I just don't get the point of antagonizing a crazy person.
Anyone have any insight  
B in ALB : 8/8/2017 7:59 pm : link
Into possible Russia /NK partnership? Seems like something Putin would sanction if it improves his position in the region and manipulate trump and the US.
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dpinzow : 8/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13553294 LAXin said:
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In comment 13553237 Del Shofner said:


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Good Lord. Hopefully cool heads will prevail across the board.



But what would be a cool headed response by the U.S.? Sanctions, negotiations, military excercises near by, urging Russia and China to intervene -- which one of these has not been tried half a dozen time before?

Can't help but recall the sharp contrast 15 years ago: Saddam Hussein swore that he had no WMD, the U.S. said yes you do, you are just lying, and we coming to get you. Kim of N. Korea swore that he had WMD, the U.S. said no you don't, you are just bluffing, and we are just going to talk more. It's absolutely gold comedy if it weren't so gravely serious.



Once someone has nukes the whole game changes; much more difficult to take Kim out when he's almost definitely going out in a blaze of glory with his nukes
RE: We all do need to come together....  
Overseer : 8/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13553289 Dry Lightning said:
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We have tried talking for 25 years. They have broken every promise, they have broken every treaty. It looks like war. We can not have any half measures here. North Korea must be wiped off the face of the earth. Even that does not guarantee a nightmare for us. If they want to capitulate, and give up there weapons, fine. Barring that, we need to hit them with EVERYTHING we have. And pray.

No. This is a catastrophically awful idea.
RE: I don't think this is a left v right, GOP v Dem thing.  
santacruzom : 8/8/2017 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13553258 81_Great_Dane said:
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You'd think Kim has gamed this out far enough to know that if he launches an attack against Guam, nuclear or conventional, he's going to get the brunt of a full nuclear response from the U.S.


He's surely aware of that, but I think it's likely that there are about 5 people in the world that he cares about, and he'll ensure that he and they are sheltered or evacuated.
If I was in charge of the response to N. Korea,  
Bill L : 8/8/2017 8:01 pm : link
I would lob over a few dozen of our most effective

Doctors.

I wonder what would happen if this guy got a terminal disease and knew he only had a few months to live?
RE: Anyone have any insight  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13553298 B in ALB said:
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Into possible Russia /NK partnership? Seems like something Putin would sanction if it improves his position in the region and manipulate trump and the US.


You are definitely onto something here IMO
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section125 : 8/8/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13553294 LAXin said:
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In comment 13553237 Del Shofner said:


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Good Lord. Hopefully cool heads will prevail across the board.



But what would be a cool headed response by the U.S.? Sanctions, negotiations, military excercises near by, urging Russia and China to intervene -- which one of these has not been tried half a dozen time before?

Can't help but recall the sharp contrast 15 years ago: Saddam Hussein swore that he had no WMD, the U.S. said yes you do, you are just lying, and we coming to get you. Kim of N. Korea swore that he had WMD, the U.S. said no you don't, you are just bluffing, and we are just going to talk more. It's absolutely gold comedy if it weren't so gravely serious.



Bad memory - at least 8 (iirc - maybe more) major spy agencies worldwide including the Russians, said he had them.

Anyway, we know Kim Jong Un has then because he has tested them.
The Mouse That Roared  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/8/2017 8:01 pm : link
and this version isn't funny.
RE: RE: A bold bet on how much we care  
AcidTest : 8/8/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13553281 Anakim said:
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In comment 13553271 Deej said:


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about Guam.



I believe there are a couple of military bases in Guam


There is at least one major military base on Guam. I lived there in the early 70s when my father was in the military. The U.S. ran bombing raids out of Guam during the Vietnam war. We will defend Guam like we'd defend DC. Guaranteed.
GOP Senator Dan Sullivan (Alaska)  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 8:03 pm : link
President requires Congressional go-ahead for any action against NK, on CNN just now
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B in ALB : 8/8/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13553297 Bchurch said:
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In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:


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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.



Not judging the person, but lets take a look at this quote...


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"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.


Well... They just threatened Guam.. So are we going to war? If that quote holds true it sounds like we are... I just don't get the point of antagonizing a crazy person.


Exactly. Threats. Now we do nothing, then what? Talk about terrible negotiating and deal making. Holy shit. Your bluff has been called faster than shit thru a goose.
Regardless of your political stance Trump's  
mikeygiants : 8/8/2017 8:05 pm : link
comments are troubling: “And as I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.”

This is one of those moments when I wish that it was a different Republican in the White House. We have the guy who promises the steaks, airlines, universities, and casinos "the likes of which the world has never seen before." Unsettling.
RE: The only way out of this mess is to ask China to jerk the chain on  
Jints in Carolina : 8/8/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13553285 Tom in NY said:
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their pet dog, which is N.Korea/Kim.

N.Korea doesn't exist without China, going all the way back to 1950 and continuing through to the current economic aid they provide.

Get China to smack Kim across the nose to preserve the peace. The current economic environment is too strong (for all, including China) to all this little nut job to screw it up for everyone else.


This.
RE: The only way out of this mess is to ask China to jerk the chain on  
LAXin : 8/8/2017 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13553285 Tom in NY said:
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their pet dog, which is N.Korea/Kim.

N.Korea doesn't exist without China, going all the way back to 1950 and continuing through to the current economic aid they provide.

Get China to smack Kim across the nose to preserve the peace. The current economic environment is too strong (for all, including China) to all this little nut job to screw it up for everyone else.


"Get China to smack Kim across the nose to preserve the peace." -- you think China is so foolish or so arrogant to think that they are somehow immune from a desperate Kim launching his few nuclear warhead to BeiJing or ShangHai in his final hours?

A Kim with no-way out would blame/hate China much more than he does on U.S., because the former had been a great ally while the latter has always been an adversary. Recent betray always hurts more than hostility that existed since the beginning.
RE: Regardless of your political stance Trump's  
dpinzow : 8/8/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13553317 mikeygiants said:
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comments are troubling: “And as I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.”

This is one of those moments when I wish that it was a different Republican in the White House. We have the guy who promises the steaks, airlines, universities, and casinos "the likes of which the world has never seen before." Unsettling.


No question about that...the proper way to say this is "any attack against South Korea, Japan or our other allies in the region will be treated as an attack on the United States and will be dealt with accordingly"
Kim needs to study Machiavelli  
KeoweeFan : 8/8/2017 8:08 pm : link
who advised (in so many words):
If you are going to attack a King, make sure that you kill him.
"Never do any enemy a small injury for they are like a snake which is half beaten and it will strike back the first chance it gets."
Especially if it is a BIG snake.
Worries  
Fish : 8/8/2017 8:12 pm : link
Me to think we show our hand and pummel NK. Are we any more vulnerable after or if something goes down with Korea? In other words China/ Russia tell us to fuck off and then major war breaks out.
I could see a bigger play here  
B in ALB : 8/8/2017 8:12 pm : link
Considering NKs increased bluster and boldness. Something is going on behind the scenes that we're not hearing about. All of a sudden they have nuclear capability? Now? There's a chess match going on and we're losing badly.
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section125 : 8/8/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13553315 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13553297 Bchurch said:


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In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:


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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.



Not judging the person, but lets take a look at this quote...


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"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.


Well... They just threatened Guam.. So are we going to war? If that quote holds true it sounds like we are... I just don't get the point of antagonizing a crazy person.



Exactly. Threats. Now we do nothing, then what? Talk about terrible negotiating and deal making. Holy shit. Your bluff has been called faster than shit thru a goose.


You think he is bluffing if they attempt to attack Guam?

We have threatened them since Slick Willy was President and nothing has happened.
Guam  
Fish : 8/8/2017 8:14 pm : link
Holds our defense missles. NK strategize to take them out in hopes to sneak their weapons through.
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B in ALB : 8/8/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13553327 section125 said:
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In comment 13553315 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13553297 Bchurch said:


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In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:


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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.



Not judging the person, but lets take a look at this quote...


Quote:


"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.


Well... They just threatened Guam.. So are we going to war? If that quote holds true it sounds like we are... I just don't get the point of antagonizing a crazy person.



Exactly. Threats. Now we do nothing, then what? Talk about terrible negotiating and deal making. Holy shit. Your bluff has been called faster than shit thru a goose.



You think he is bluffing if they attempt to attack Guam?

We have threatened them since Slick Willy was President and nothing has happened.


No no. The fire and fury quote, then immediately threatening Guam. Trumps bluff was called. Quite easily, btw. That is very concerning.
we are so screwed  
giantfan2000 : 8/8/2017 8:26 pm : link
It's one thing to inherit a problem. It's another to take that problem and make it far worse.
This is why you never want a hot headed idiot  
Rflairr : 8/8/2017 8:27 pm : link
as your President. Trump sounds like a 10 yr old playing Call of Duty
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section125 : 8/8/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13553335 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13553327 section125 said:


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In comment 13553315 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13553297 Bchurch said:


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In comment 13553239 B in ALB said:


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Fire and fury Bullshit. I know it's political but this shit is threatening nuclear war.



Not judging the person, but lets take a look at this quote...


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"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.


Well... They just threatened Guam.. So are we going to war? If that quote holds true it sounds like we are... I just don't get the point of antagonizing a crazy person.



Exactly. Threats. Now we do nothing, then what? Talk about terrible negotiating and deal making. Holy shit. Your bluff has been called faster than shit thru a goose.



You think he is bluffing if they attempt to attack Guam?

We have threatened them since Slick Willy was President and nothing has happened.



No no. The fire and fury quote, then immediately threatening Guam. Trumps bluff was called. Quite easily, btw. That is very concerning.


Not sure that sequence is correct, but it was only a report by So Korean press. There is nothing from any governmental agency to support that threat.

Besides, it has been North Korea threatening us constantly since they got a missile that didn't blow up on ignition or did you miss that.
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Bill2 : 8/8/2017 8:30 pm : link
I dunno.

Suppose we have just increased the number of bunker busting 30,000 pound bombs and B2's? They would come out of Guam.

Two flew over on Monday.

Do we know how many nuclear subs sit outside NK?

Russia likely does. Suppose Putin was feeding info to wind Kim up to full on paranoid?

Purpose? To give our shakey government more to think about.

A US retreat from Asia is very valuable. Lots of value. No risk to the Soviets. ( yes the soviets). Easy to wind up both Kim and the US. Asymetrical. Send Kim pictures from space just as he gets closer but not fully to the determent he thinks he needs ( decades of soviet whispers we want regime change)

Who knows?

When you are emotionally vulnerable you see threats that are not there and you don't consider non emotional ways out of the puzzle.
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