I know I'm not a baseball fan, but figured some would find this of interest
Jeff Passan& #8207;Verified account @JeffPassan
Source: Indians finalizing a deal to acquire Jay Bruce. Cleveland taking on all of Bruce's salary. @jcrasnick first on it being close.
Disgusting.
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Jay Bruce is heading to #Indians in a trade. The #Yankees were also involved in Bruce trade talks before #Mets dealt him to Cleveland.
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#Mets got Ryder Ryan from #Indians.
Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?
Yup, good thing Sandy held firm on his price for the past 10 months.
TY BRRUUUUUCE
Bruce OK trade to a contender
Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?
Given away for a bag of balls. Yuck. how about a 3rd base prospect?
TY BRRUUUUUCE
Collins will sooner play Granderson than Nimmo
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Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?
Given away for a bag of balls. Yuck. how about a 3rd base prospect?
He kind of is, I guess.
Jeff Ellis: Ryder Ryan on top of being alliterative is a right-handed sophomore pitcher for the University of North Carolina. He was drafted out of high school by the Cleveland Indians in the 40th round of the 2014 draft. It was interesting to see him drafted as a pitcher as he has pitched one inning in two years at school. Instead he has appeared in limited use as a hitter appearing in 33 games over the last two years. He has not found much success as a hitter yet though so he could be tried as a pitcher next year if he goes back to school. His dad was a baseball player who made it to AAA and his uncle pitched in the pros. Ryder was hitting 97 MPH in high school and while he is considered a third baseman by many the Indians clearly still think his future is on the mound. Normally, I would think a draft-eligible sophomore would be a very hard sign, but after two years of barely playing he might be willing to take the money and start a pro career.
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the yankees were in on jay bruce, but sources say they wanted mets to pay some of the $ remaining. indians will pay rest of $.
and we got a peanut in trade. #Metsalwaystheamateur
Im pleased. Hoping we can unload Granderson, Walker, and Cabrera as well. Id like to see Nimmo get at least a few weeks of play. He's still blocked though.
Gotta trade some infielders now
Lake County Captains reliever Ryder Ryan has been dominant coming out of the bullpen this season and the right-hander has been honored for his efforts. After posting a miniscule 0.84 ERA over 16 appearances on the mound, Ryan has been named a 2017 Midwest League All-Star.
Ryan, a 30th round pick of the Cleveland Indians in the 2016 MLB Amateur Draft, was a position player for two years at the University of North Carolina, but the former infielder and catcher has adapted quickly to the mound. Opponents have scratched across just two earned runs in 21.1 innings against Ryan this season, which is his first full season as a pitcher. Last year, Ryan only pitched 18.2 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League after he was drafted. He made one pitching appearance in college.
Midwest League hitters have had a hard time squaring up Ryan this season. The league is batting just .111 against Ryan as of Wednesday. Ryan is also striking out batters at a brisk pace. With 27 strikeouts so far, Ryan is averaging 11.4 strikeouts per nine innings (K/9). Ryan is 3-for-3 in save chances this year and has a 1-2 record.
If this guy is still in A ball at 22 years old then the comp pick in the 2nd round comp round may not be that far behind.
worst case was they'd have Bruce another year on the QO.
Don't like this move, for 3.5M it should have been about maximizing the talent return, but while we don't need specifics, it doesn't sound like that was the case here.
too bad, missed opportunity.
Had Mets kept Bruce and extended him a QO, they would have received pick in the 75-85ish range in next year's draft if he signed elsewhere.
If this guy is still in A ball at 22 years old then the comp pick in the 2nd round comp round may not be that far behind.
worst case was they'd have Bruce another year on the QO.
Don't like this move, for 3.5M it should have been about maximizing the talent return, but while we don't need specifics, it doesn't sound like that was the case here.
too bad, missed opportunity.
I wouldn't pay much attention to his age. It's first full season ever pitching in his life. He was a position player in college.
and stuff like this bothers me. The Yankees wanted them to eat some salary for a better player, this is post-waivers if you can get a legit prospect by paying a couple million I think that should be the priority. Talent, not $$$.
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Yankees would have covered only a portion of salary, but Yankees offered better players it seems.
Mets chose to dump Bruce's full salary instead of NYY offer, which I hear involved two prospects that other teams asked about at deadline.
I'd much rather have that than some boring utility player or some junkballer.
Pretty clear the emphasis this deadline was to get relievers, most likely since the cost has sky rocketed there.
We'll see how it plays out. We won't know for a few years obviously.
Just seems really odd that the Yankees and their 200 million dollar payroll are quibbling over 3 million bucks. "Hey, for 1.5 million dollars(a portion was mentioned) we'll totally throw in more in prospects than we want to if you make us pay the whole 3 mil!".
It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I really dont care either way. At this point we are past the deadline. We already know it was a buyers market and power hitters were going for next to nothing. If Sandy feels there's value in a kid throwing 97 mph over the 80th pick in the draft if we offered a QO Im not going to pitch a fit over it.
I want to see players like Nimmo get some play at this point so its a win either way.
and if it's true as a fan I find that frustrating.
Almost. Like it was. On purpose or something.
I mean, who could have predicted that. So,thing that's never been done before. So odd, and off the wall lol
I hope for the best, but it didn't work for Omar, I don't see it working now. Familia should be the blueprint, not Sewald.
and if it's true as a fan I find that frustrating.
I dont see any beat saying that. The only thing confirmed is that the Yankees offered to eat some of the 3 million.
There's a real world where the Indians offered to pay for his salary AND Sandy liked the player more. We simply dont know unless you ask Sandy directly.
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Doubt that's ever happened before.
Almost. Like it was. On purpose or something.
I mean, who could have predicted that. So,thing that's never been done before. So odd, and off the wall lol
I hope for the best, but it didn't work for Omar, I don't see it working now. Familia should be the blueprint, not Sewald.
You definitely called it! What's wrong with Sewald? Im a fan! I agree with you though. Never was one for trading for relievers but I think the game has changed a bit. We'll see how it plays out. Sandy rarely loses trades. All of these kids have upside. If 1 or 2 hit Ill call it a win for sure.
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Mets chose to dump Bruce's full salary instead of NYY offer, which I hear involved two prospects that other teams asked about at deadline.
The Mets are a business
Prospects are an asset
Salary is a liability
Not paying a salary is an asset
Draft picks are assets
Each of the above have a value. A dollar value assigned to it.
Bruce's salary is say $4mm. Any production from him is valueless since it blocks a Nimmo, and any extra wins are worthless. Or negative ;)
The comp pick they get for Bruce would be worth say $4-5mm. So not getting the comp pick is equal to his salary. Literally almost a wash.
Point being. If team Y offers an additional prospect who you value as worth $1mm. But that team asks you to pick up $2mm of salary. Do the math.
Hope that helps
Who asks for a 30th round draft choice? If other teams had asked about the two prospects it likely means they were both better than a 30th rd pick. Of course if Sandy wanted a pitcher and the Yanks offered fielders then I understand.
BTW, I didn't want Bruce anyway.