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NFT: Indians close to acquiring Jay Bruce

Anakim : 8/9/2017 9:51 pm
I know I'm not a baseball fan, but figured some would find this of interest


Jeff Passan& #8207;Verified account @JeffPassan
Source: Indians finalizing a deal to acquire Jay Bruce. Cleveland taking on all of Bruce's salary. @jcrasnick first on it being close.
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Mets  
DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 9:56 pm : link
Refused to pick up money so sounds like a salary dump. Usual Wilpons
Refused to pick up money  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2017 9:59 pm : link
Should be a sweet return then.

Disgusting.
Welp, let's see what this is about.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2017 10:02 pm : link
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Jay Bruce is heading to #Indians in a trade. The #Yankees were also involved in Bruce trade talks before #Mets dealt him to Cleveland.
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Anakim : 8/9/2017 10:07 pm : link
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#Mets got Ryder Ryan from #Indians.
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2017 10:09 pm : link
@NotTyKelly

Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?
Another relief pitcher  
Mike in NY : 8/9/2017 10:10 pm : link
Yippee. This one is sucking in Low A despite a 4 year collegiate career.
really guys?  
GMenLTS : 8/9/2017 10:11 pm : link
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RE: Mets  
Eric on Li : 8/9/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13554437 DanMetroMan said:
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Refused to pick up money so sounds like a salary dump. Usual Wilpons


Yup, good thing Sandy held firm on his price for the past 10 months.
more playing time  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:12 pm : link
for Nimmo.

TY BRRUUUUUCE
Lotto ticket live arm  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 10:12 pm : link
Ignore his drafted in 30th

Bruce OK trade to a contender
I would rather gamble on getting a compensatory pick  
Mike in NY : 8/9/2017 10:12 pm : link
If this scrub was all we could get in return
RE: lmao  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13554450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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@NotTyKelly

Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?


Given away for a bag of balls. Yuck. how about a 3rd base prospect?
RE: more playing time  
Mike in NY : 8/9/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13554456 spike said:
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for Nimmo.

TY BRRUUUUUCE


Collins will sooner play Granderson than Nimmo
RE: RE: lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13554459 spike said:
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In comment 13554450 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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@NotTyKelly

Ryder Ryan is a 30th round pick with a 4.79 ERA in the minors. Do people still think Sandy is a good GM?



Given away for a bag of balls. Yuck. how about a 3rd base prospect?


He kind of is, I guess.

Jeff Ellis: Ryder Ryan on top of being alliterative is a right-handed sophomore pitcher for the University of North Carolina. He was drafted out of high school by the Cleveland Indians in the 40th round of the 2014 draft. It was interesting to see him drafted as a pitcher as he has pitched one inning in two years at school. Instead he has appeared in limited use as a hitter appearing in 33 games over the last two years. He has not found much success as a hitter yet though so he could be tried as a pitcher next year if he goes back to school. His dad was a baseball player who made it to AAA and his uncle pitched in the pros. Ryder was hitting 97 MPH in high school and while he is considered a third baseman by many the Indians clearly still think his future is on the mound. Normally, I would think a draft-eligible sophomore would be a very hard sign, but after two years of barely playing he might be willing to take the money and start a pro career.
trade  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:15 pm : link
Grandy Walker Cabrera too
Yanks  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:22 pm : link
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the yankees were in on jay bruce, but sources say they wanted mets to pay some of the $ remaining. indians will pay rest of $.
Yanks offered a better deal  
DennyInDenville : 8/9/2017 10:24 pm : link
According to Sherman
last year for Beltran  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:26 pm : link
The Rangers have reportedly agreed to a deal to acquire veteran outfielder Carlos Beltran from the Yankees. Righties Dillon Tate, Erik Swanson and Nick Green head to New York in the deal, which caps a partial but significant sell-off from the Bronx Bombers. The Rangers will pay $2.5MM of the approximately $5MM left of Beltrans 2016 salary, Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram tweets.


and we got a peanut in trade. #Metsalwaystheamateur
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 8/9/2017 10:31 pm : link
Fred is pathetic
I guess  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:33 pm : link
this is how it is like to be an Islander fan.
As bad as this trade makes Wilson's look  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 10:34 pm : link
It's that much more troubling how I takes Sandy look. I'll hold off on any venting.
basically  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:37 pm : link
Dilson Herrera for Ryder Ryan
SELL FRED SELL  
Metnut : 8/9/2017 10:41 pm : link
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Bruce was owed 3.7 million dollars  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 10:47 pm : link
Doesn't seem enough to make much of a difference either way unless we know the Yankees were offering more.

Im pleased. Hoping we can unload Granderson, Walker, and Cabrera as well. Id like to see Nimmo get at least a few weeks of play. He's still blocked though.
grandy nimmo platoon  
spike : 8/9/2017 10:51 pm : link
until Lagares returns.

Gotta trade some infielders now
Report on June 7th on Ryder  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 10:52 pm : link
June 7, 2017 4:51 PM ET

Lake County Captains reliever Ryder Ryan has been dominant coming out of the bullpen this season and the right-hander has been honored for his efforts. After posting a miniscule 0.84 ERA over 16 appearances on the mound, Ryan has been named a 2017 Midwest League All-Star.

Ryan, a 30th round pick of the Cleveland Indians in the 2016 MLB Amateur Draft, was a position player for two years at the University of North Carolina, but the former infielder and catcher has adapted quickly to the mound. Opponents have scratched across just two earned runs in 21.1 innings against Ryan this season, which is his first full season as a pitcher. Last year, Ryan only pitched 18.2 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League after he was drafted. He made one pitching appearance in college.

Midwest League hitters have had a hard time squaring up Ryan this season. The league is batting just .111 against Ryan as of Wednesday. Ryan is also striking out batters at a brisk pace. With 27 strikeouts so far, Ryan is averaging 11.4 strikeouts per nine innings (K/9). Ryan is 3-for-3 in save chances this year and has a 1-2 record.
Id love to see Bruce back next year  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 10:55 pm : link
We need proven lefty power behind Cespedes somewhere. We cant lose Duda and Bruce. Bruce seems like a great clubhouse guy as well.

Probably would have  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 11:02 pm : link
been better to keep Bruce offer the QO and likely have him reject it and get a comp pick then to get a 30th round relief pitcher back.

If this guy is still in A ball at 22 years old then the comp pick in the 2nd round comp round may not be that far behind.

worst case was they'd have Bruce another year on the QO.

Don't like this move, for 3.5M it should have been about maximizing the talent return, but while we don't need specifics, it doesn't sound like that was the case here.

too bad, missed opportunity.
should say  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 11:05 pm : link
we don't *know* specifics not need.
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ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:06 pm : link
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Had Mets kept Bruce and extended him a QO, they would have received pick in the 75-85ish range in next year's draft if he signed elsewhere.
RE: Probably would have  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13554520 pjcas18 said:
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been better to keep Bruce offer the QO and likely have him reject it and get a comp pick then to get a 30th round relief pitcher back.

If this guy is still in A ball at 22 years old then the comp pick in the 2nd round comp round may not be that far behind.

worst case was they'd have Bruce another year on the QO.

Don't like this move, for 3.5M it should have been about maximizing the talent return, but while we don't need specifics, it doesn't sound like that was the case here.

too bad, missed opportunity.


I wouldn't pay much attention to his age. It's first full season ever pitching in his life. He was a position player in college.
Yeah the position conversion cancels out the age being a negative  
Eric on Li : 8/9/2017 11:10 pm : link
mid-90s FB is at least a lotto ticket. I still think they are cheap and likely passed on better prospects to save the $5M but at least it clears a path for young guys.
His age isn't what I'm concerned  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 11:11 pm : link
with it's how far away he is from the majors.

and stuff like this bothers me. The Yankees wanted them to eat some salary for a better player, this is post-waivers if you can get a legit prospect by paying a couple million I think that should be the priority. Talent, not $$$.

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Yankees would have covered only a portion of salary, but Yankees offered better players it seems.
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pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 11:13 pm : link
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Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 10m10 minutes ago

Mets chose to dump Bruce's full salary instead of NYY offer, which I hear involved two prospects that other teams asked about at deadline.
I mean... this is a kid that has very little wear on his arm  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:14 pm : link
He was hitting as high as 97 mph in high school. He's posting a nice K/9 and in his first year pitching professionally was an all-star in his league. This is the quintessential definition of an upside lottery pick.

I'd much rather have that than some boring utility player or some junkballer.

Pretty clear the emphasis this deadline was to get relievers, most likely since the cost has sky rocketed there.

We'll see how it plays out. We won't know for a few years obviously.
Yeah... We still dont know who those prospects are or if Sandy liked  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:17 pm : link
them more...

Just seems really odd that the Yankees and their 200 million dollar payroll are quibbling over 3 million bucks. "Hey, for 1.5 million dollars(a portion was mentioned) we'll totally throw in more in prospects than we want to if you make us pay the whole 3 mil!".

It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
You are certainly  
MookGiants : 8/9/2017 11:20 pm : link
consistent, ZGiants. Wow.
Kind of crazy we've added 6 relievers this deadline if you count Ramos  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:20 pm : link
Doubt that's ever happened before.
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ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13554533 MookGiants said:
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consistent, ZGiants. Wow.


I really dont care either way. At this point we are past the deadline. We already know it was a buyers market and power hitters were going for next to nothing. If Sandy feels there's value in a kid throwing 97 mph over the 80th pick in the draft if we offered a QO Im not going to pitch a fit over it.

I want to see players like Nimmo get some play at this point so its a win either way.
The point is  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2017 11:29 pm : link
(admittedly without knowing the details) the Mets prioritized saving money over adding talent. This is based on multiple Mets beat writer tweets.

and if it's true as a fan I find that frustrating.
RE: Kind of crazy we've added 6 relievers this deadline if you count Ramos  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13554534 ZGiants98 said:
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Doubt that's ever happened before.

Almost. Like it was. On purpose or something.
I mean, who could have predicted that. So,thing that's never been done before. So odd, and off the wall lol

I hope for the best, but it didn't work for Omar, I don't see it working now. Familia should be the blueprint, not Sewald.
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ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:29 pm : link
RE: The point is  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13554537 pjcas18 said:
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(admittedly without knowing the details) the Mets prioritized saving money over adding talent. This is based on multiple Mets beat writer tweets.

and if it's true as a fan I find that frustrating.


I dont see any beat saying that. The only thing confirmed is that the Yankees offered to eat some of the 3 million.

There's a real world where the Indians offered to pay for his salary AND Sandy liked the player more. We simply dont know unless you ask Sandy directly.
RE: RE: Kind of crazy we've added 6 relievers this deadline if you count Ramos  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13554538 Shecky said:
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In comment 13554534 ZGiants98 said:


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Doubt that's ever happened before.


Almost. Like it was. On purpose or something.
I mean, who could have predicted that. So,thing that's never been done before. So odd, and off the wall lol

I hope for the best, but it didn't work for Omar, I don't see it working now. Familia should be the blueprint, not Sewald.


You definitely called it! What's wrong with Sewald? Im a fan! I agree with you though. Never was one for trading for relievers but I think the game has changed a bit. We'll see how it plays out. Sandy rarely loses trades. All of these kids have upside. If 1 or 2 hit Ill call it a win for sure.
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Kyle in NY : 8/9/2017 11:36 pm : link
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Mets chose to dump Bruce's full salary instead of NYY offer, which I hear involved two prospects that other teams asked about at deadline.
Two prospects that other teams asked for  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:38 pm : link
doesn't mean Sandy liked them more. The only thing confirmed is that the Yankees offered to eat some of the 3 million. The rest is all assumption, leading, or guesswork likely based on the Wilpons history.
Understanding money vs a prospect  
Shecky : 8/9/2017 11:39 pm : link
It's pretty simple and will make sense

The Mets are a business
Prospects are an asset
Salary is a liability
Not paying a salary is an asset
Draft picks are assets

Each of the above have a value. A dollar value assigned to it.

Bruce's salary is say $4mm. Any production from him is valueless since it blocks a Nimmo, and any extra wins are worthless. Or negative ;)

The comp pick they get for Bruce would be worth say $4-5mm. So not getting the comp pick is equal to his salary. Literally almost a wash.

Point being. If team Y offers an additional prospect who you value as worth $1mm. But that team asks you to pick up $2mm of salary. Do the math.

Hope that helps
I can't do the math unless you are telling  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:44 pm : link
all prospects are equal. Tell me the dollar amount they placed on Ryder VS the Yankee prospects and Ill tell you how I feel.
All that makes perfect sense as a business model  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2017 11:46 pm : link
But you cant tell me there arent specific players Sandy are looking for. All of these kids have upside. There are very specific players he's been targeting.
RE: Two prospects that other teams asked for  
section125 : 8/9/2017 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13554548 ZGiants98 said:
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doesn't mean Sandy liked them more. The only thing confirmed is that the Yankees offered to eat some of the 3 million. The rest is all assumption, leading, or guesswork likely based on the Wilpons history.


Who asks for a 30th round draft choice? If other teams had asked about the two prospects it likely means they were both better than a 30th rd pick. Of course if Sandy wanted a pitcher and the Yanks offered fielders then I understand.

BTW, I didn't want Bruce anyway.
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