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26.2 : 8/10/2017 11:14 am
I haven't looked at anything relating to FF yet this year, but I'm assuming some of you have. I can keep two guys from my team last year and here they are with the round I'd have to surrender to do so:

Ty Montgomery, RB (GB) - Round 10
Stephon Diggs, WR (MIN) - Round 13

Its a PPR league (1/2 PPR actually)

Not top flight players but I have no idea what their ADP's are in FF this year.

Thanks. Feel free to ask anything FF related and turn this thread into a FF free for all.
Both are going in rounds 6-9  
superspynyg : 8/10/2017 11:15 am : link
depending on league size and rules.
I'd probably go Diggs  
YAJ2112 : 8/10/2017 11:32 am : link
similar ADPs so go with the 3 round savings
This one isn't that hard  
allstarjim : 8/10/2017 11:36 am : link
First, RB, specifically high-end RBs, are more scarce than WRs. Ty Montgomery is the lead back in that backfield.

Second, Green Bay's offense is vastly superior to Minnesota's. The more the offense is successful and on the field, the more scoring opportunities for the players in that offense.

Third, Ty Montgomery is a big threat in the passing game, meaning more points in a PPR league. I think he has really good value in standard scoring, but PPR, he's at worst a very high-end #2 if not RB1. Do not be afraid of the presence of Jamaal Williams. Williams will probably carve out a role, but Montgomery will get plenty of work even if he does.

Montgomery all the way.
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26.2 : 8/10/2017 11:52 am : link
Thanks for the responses guys. I forgot to mention that I can keep both, one or none of them. I could also keep Big Ben at a round 9 cost, but I don't think that's a great value.
also  
allstarjim : 8/10/2017 12:18 pm : link
per FF Toolbox and FF Today, Montgomery's ADP is in the early 4th round. Per NFL.com, Montgomery's ADP is in the 7th (I believe that is a terrific value there) in standard formats. Since you are in a PPR league, he's going to have more value, and should be drafted prior to the 7th.
RE: This one isn't that hard  
YAJ2112 : 8/10/2017 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13554902 allstarjim said:
Quote:
First, RB, specifically high-end RBs, are more scarce than WRs. Ty Montgomery is the lead back in that backfield.

Second, Green Bay's offense is vastly superior to Minnesota's. The more the offense is successful and on the field, the more scoring opportunities for the players in that offense.

Third, Ty Montgomery is a big threat in the passing game, meaning more points in a PPR league. I think he has really good value in standard scoring, but PPR, he's at worst a very high-end #2 if not RB1. Do not be afraid of the presence of Jamaal Williams. Williams will probably carve out a role, but Montgomery will get plenty of work even if he does.

Montgomery all the way.


I'm going to need you to define "high-end RB" and ask you what your stat expectations are for Montgomery this year.
as for ADP, per Fantasy Pros  
YAJ2112 : 8/10/2017 12:50 pm : link
Ty is 50 in standard/44 in PPR and Diggs is 68/56
RE: as for ADP, per Fantasy Pros  
EricJ : 8/10/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13555047 YAJ2112 said:
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Ty is 50 in standard/44 in PPR and Diggs is 68/56


Read his opening post again. He does not have to choose between these two guys. He can keep them both and give up the rounds he referenced. He should most likely keep both. That being said, if the league allows the trading of draft picks, I would try to work a deal with someone who likes one of those guys for a higher pick.
RE: This one isn't that hard  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13554902 allstarjim said:
Quote:
First, RB, specifically high-end RBs, are more scarce than WRs. Ty Montgomery is the lead back in that backfield.

Second, Green Bay's offense is vastly superior to Minnesota's. The more the offense is successful and on the field, the more scoring opportunities for the players in that offense.

Third, Ty Montgomery is a big threat in the passing game, meaning more points in a PPR league. I think he has really good value in standard scoring, but PPR, he's at worst a very high-end #2 if not RB1. Do not be afraid of the presence of Jamaal Williams. Williams will probably carve out a role, but Montgomery will get plenty of work even if he does.

Montgomery all the way.


Montgomery is reportedly likely to lose carries to 4th round pick Jamaal Williams as the season progresses. Nice handcuff option if you do keep Ty. Not sure where, if at all, Williams is being drafted, but he's on my target list. Especially in keeper leagues.


RE: RE: as for ADP, per Fantasy Pros  
YAJ2112 : 8/10/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13555055 EricJ said:
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In comment 13555047 YAJ2112 said:


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Ty is 50 in standard/44 in PPR and Diggs is 68/56



Read his opening post again. He does not have to choose between these two guys. He can keep them both and give up the rounds he referenced. He should most likely keep both. That being said, if the league allows the trading of draft picks, I would try to work a deal with someone who likes one of those guys for a higher pick.


good catch... but we can turn this into a discussion on Montgomery anyway. Personally I think he's being WAY overdrafted.
Yeah, there's no disputing Montgomery's talent  
MetsAreBack : 8/10/2017 3:07 pm : link
but in a limited role last year, the guy still couldnt stay on the field. So not sure how anyone can assume he'll be a great FF player based on last year.

Sure, there's not a lot of competition in the backfield as of right now -- things change. And Dexter McCluster didnt have much competition in KC 6 years ago either, just a 33 year old worn down Thomas Jones.
How many players in your league?  
Reale01 : 8/10/2017 4:42 pm : link
Or did I miss it?
RE: RE: This one isn't that hard  
leatherneck570 : 8/10/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13555059 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13554902 allstarjim said:


Quote:


First, RB, specifically high-end RBs, are more scarce than WRs. Ty Montgomery is the lead back in that backfield.

Second, Green Bay's offense is vastly superior to Minnesota's. The more the offense is successful and on the field, the more scoring opportunities for the players in that offense.

Third, Ty Montgomery is a big threat in the passing game, meaning more points in a PPR league. I think he has really good value in standard scoring, but PPR, he's at worst a very high-end #2 if not RB1. Do not be afraid of the presence of Jamaal Williams. Williams will probably carve out a role, but Montgomery will get plenty of work even if he does.

Montgomery all the way.



Montgomery is reportedly likely to lose carries to 4th round pick Jamaal Williams as the season progresses. Nice handcuff option if you do keep Ty. Not sure where, if at all, Williams is being drafted, but he's on my target list. Especially in keeper leagues.



Agreed. I'll be looking to take a flyer on Williams later in drafts.
I'd go diggs  
GMenLTS : 8/10/2017 6:07 pm : link
I'm trying to choose between Dougie B in the 7th and Perkins in the 14th

Dougie is a known commodity but if Perkins ends up taking the bulk of or carries and producing, it's a great keeper.

I lean toward Dougie especially given giants bias
Ahh  
GMenLTS : 8/10/2017 6:09 pm : link
I missed the part that he's able to keep both of those also
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