In all seriousness, if Thompson had been able to stay healthy and wound up being awful, I think then you could say it was a crappy pick. But we're talking about a 5th round pick. You can go through 5th rounds of countless drafts and you'll barely recognize any of the names. The success rate of guys that late in the draft is very low.
The guy couldn't stay on the field. There's really nothing Reese can do about that. He doesn't draft with a crystal ball.
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Yes the guy was always hurt, however in college he wasn't even that Â
good. He wasn't even the best DB on Texas. In fact if you remember, he and the analysts were surprised he got drafted at all. Usually I am supportive of Reese and his draft picks, however I do think this is one he got very wrong. He reached for this guy, for some weird reason, and it was a waste of the 5th rd pick.
RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
Sometimes GM's take risks later in the draft on guys that they see something in. Obviously there was something about Thompson that Reese liked or felt could be developed. Usually it doesn't work out and this was just one of those times. It is what it is. You can find instances like these all over the place in every draft. This isn't unique to Jerry Reese.
that his injuries are what kept him around this long to begin with because the Giants never got a real good look at him.
It was a surprise pick for anybody who watched Texas football because the guy didn't play that great in college but you never know how these things pan out in the pros
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
Of course you don't want to go back. No surprise there. Why bother to learn anything when your mind is already made up?
But if Thompson was able to stay healthy and became a valuable contributor - at, say, nickel corner, where the Giants had him playing as a rookie, or backup FS - would it have still be a "totally ridiculous pick?" Of course not.
And it was injuries that did him in, not talent. You don't have to be a "Reese flack" to understand that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
... over a 5th round draft pick... lol. How many of those have panned out for other squads from the year he was drafted? 1? 2? How many have ever historically panned out? NFL teams have scouts, they look for specific things, they make recommendations, and the FO pulls the trigger if they check enough boxes. It's a crap shoot all the way around the draft, but especially after round 3.
And I'll say it again... we thankfully got rid of one Jim Hermann... do we really need another???
in the NFL. Being moved around isn't a good sign, eg, Bennett Jackson.
I'm not sure "being moved around" had a lot to do with it. The reason he was cut is the same reason Jackson was cut, neither could stay healthy. I think Jackson would still be on the team could he have stayed healthy.
Not entirely true. Injuries certainly played a big part, but Jackson struggled with his AA, change of direction, backpedal, and ability to plaster receivers at CB, and didn't have the frame, size, or physicality to match up well at S. Thompson faced similar issues, it's why they're moved around, team likes them but they're unable to earn a spot during the positional battles.
... over a 5th round draft pick... lol. How many of those have panned out for other squads from the year he was drafted? 1? 2? How many have ever historically panned out? NFL teams have scouts, they look for specific things, they make recommendations, and the FO pulls the trigger if they check enough boxes. It's a crap shoot all the way around the draft, but especially after round 3.
And I'll say it again... we thankfully got rid of one Jim Hermann... do we really need another???
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
Because you never heard of the guy? Because Joe Schmo at DraftBooger.com said he was a UDFA? How much scouting did you do prior to the 2015 draft?
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
Because you never heard of the guy? Because Joe Schmo at DraftBooger.com said he was a UDFA? How much scouting did you do prior to the 2015 draft?
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
Interesting journey you took in that post.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that it wasn't a bad pick. I'm ready to move on.
RE: Probably an element of roster balancing with Jimmy Herman. Â
Pinkins appears to be a full-time safety for now. J.T. Thomas is on PUP. Keenan Robinson has been sidelined. Going into pre-season, the team needs depth at OLB - especially because Casillas is older and appeared to wear down a bit in 2016. Apparently, Herman made enough of an impression in spring tryouts to stay on the "first call" list. He has no realistic chance of sticking, since he's competing not only with the other LBs on the roster but also with every OLB that gets cut in September.
I hesitate to criticize the Thompson pick too severely. The Giants may have seen signs of interest from other teams, and there's also no way to know how he might have fared without the injuries.
Blogger always has a good feel for roster issues. This move was just as much about getting another body at LB for practice. They are really thin there right now.
Because you never heard of the guy? Because Joe Schmo at DraftBooger.com said he was a UDFA? How much scouting did you do prior to the 2015 draft?
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
Interesting journey you took in that post.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that it wasn't a bad pick. I'm ready to move on.
Of course you are. Don't acknowledge anything that might upset your narrative. Just move on.
He did not distinguish himself in college, he wasn't even the best DB on his team.....
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Going to get the masses pissed. Has nothing to do w his injury history or not working out. Most guys don't. But at some point if your OL for 5 years rubbing looked to be paper thin and unimpressive drafting a guy at DB makes a lot less sense than looking into the OL. Even if it's just good depth.
Pugh Richberg and Fluker are all FA next year. Having a OL who is cheap and ready to step in makes sense. I think the OL is going to be much better this year. But long term there are a lot of gray areas and questions
Jerry Glanville was right about the NFL standing for Not For Long. Â
Weird pick by JR. Glad they got rid of him so they could try and stop the scholarship culture. Thus player literally contributed nothing. Can't have guys like this in your program.
I'm not sure this release had anything to do with his injury Â
IMO they gave him a shot a CB this pre-season because he wasn't going to make it at S. Likely what happened is he was cutting it at CB either. The injury was just a coincidence and certainly didn't help.
Its his fault he drafted someone so frail.. Absolutely.. He gets kudos for drafting guys who dont miss games and he gets blame when he drafts guys that are prone to injuries.. That is absolutely part of the equation.
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Thompson never missed a game in college, playing in 52 straight in four seasons. He was a versatile guy who played both CB and S, and was a "plus athlete" with good size and measurables. It's a shame he couldn't stay healthy, but to blame Jerry Reese for that is, as I said, ridiculous.
I didnt say he should get fired because he cant knock the fifth round out the park consistently, im saying at the end of the day Mykkele was a failed draft pick, to make excuses about him not being a bust because he is always injured is irrelevant. What is relevant is the results and they say there is nothing to show for that pick going forward and frankly from day one, Mykkele did absolutely nothing at all for this team. It counts as a bad pick and justifying it by saying most 5th rounders are busts is a losers mentality, if thats the case why not donate those late round picks why dont you? And lets not kid ourselves Klaatu, it wasnt like he was any good fully healthy and if you think otherwise then that is the only thing truly ridiculous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
To be fair, you hate almost every pick they make. Haven't heard of a guy? Hate it! Hate enough of them, you're bound to look like a "genius" when a 5th rounder gets cut a few years later, right? Good thinking!
who played multiple DB positions at Texas, apparently none good enough to be rated on any draft boards.
No problem calling that a reach. Or a project. Or whatever words JR uses for a NRFPT signee.
On draft day he was a surprise and an unknown. How much of an unknown?
On WIKI- "Mykkele Thompson (born April 22, 1993) is an Italian American football cornerback..."
between a 5th rounder and an UFA. If you think you do, you're fooling yourself.
You didn't hear about Thompson in your draft guide? It means nothing. Every year guys considered UFA in these guides get drafted. Why? Because the difference between 5th and not drafted isn't much.
Thompson was drafted in 2015. About 1/3 of the 5th rounders that year have already been cut. All reaches? It's the same every year. 5th rounders get cut in year 1, 2, and 3 at a very high rate.
The Giants drafted a very athletic and versatile kid. They scouted him and did their homework. They said he was worthy of the pick. That isn't enough for you because you didn't hear about him heading into the draft. Thompson getting cut today doesn't mean you're right about the reach BS either.
He tore his achilles in year one. He didn't make it back. You have no fucking idea if the kid could play.
Guy tears achilles in preseason game 1 of rookie year Â
Klaatu, I am only going to say that you are of the most informed, up-to-date, smart, and articulate posters on this board, with a really good feel for what the Giants are trying to do on the field. So, you are a ++ guy in my book.
We disagreed on this and maybe one other; 95% of the time I think your positions and observations are spot on.
understand the fascination with this. He was a 5th round draft pick that didn't pan out. Whether he didn't make it due to injuries or he's just not good enough, what the hell do we expect? Reese has hit on some late round picks and missed on others, it happens to literally every single team! God. Get the fuck over it.
We have one of the best secondaries in the fucking league and some of you are crying over Reese missing on a 5th round pick from 2015? Holy shit.
I thought he was cut already or was that Bennett Jackson? I don’t know, either way, no loss here. I never learned how to spell his name correctly because well, I knew he wasn’t going to stick around. Cant go too crazy over late round safety picks. Big surprise, not all of them are going to pan out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He was just a surprise Reese pick...... Â
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
Unless a well-touted player unexpectedly falls to the 5th, I bet you can say "Bad pick!" after every 5th round choice and wind up feeling good about yourself.
Was anyone really expecting him to be good? It was a blah pick. No surprise.
No, no one expected anything from him AND we got absolutely nothing, not even solid roster competition from this kid BUT you do expect to get a little something from your fifth rounder, last years fifth rounder is this years starting running back.. Its not a devastating knock on JR but at the end of the day it counts as bad pick period.. Im over it now, and its not a big deal at all..
to be a Reese basher, but I give him a pass on this one.
Lots of 1st rders this year are injured, and may never be what they were thought to be when drafted, from a health perspective.
MT's best athletic skill has been as a bike rider since drafted; he may have been a steal, or a bust.
Who knows what David Wilson might have done in BMacs WCO; and as we've discussed among ourselves the importance of being/staying a healthy team(Nicks, Smith,Phillips, etc).
Things happen.
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
One of my favorite posts in a while. Perfectly illustrates the crapshoot at the back end of the draft.
In theory, it should completely shut down any counter argument, but of course there's a chunk of fans that can't be reasoned with.
(1) Reese drafted poorly from 2009 - 2012 (except for Nicks and Beatty).
(2) Reese drafted much better starting in 2013.
(3) M. Thompson was not one of his better picks during this latter period of drafting. Thompson himself was surprised to be drafted. BBI pretty much exploded, correctly noting that he most likely would have been available as a UDFA. Thompson looked like another example of Reese deciding he was smarter than every other GM. See also Robinson, Adrian.
(4) Reese is doing much better lately with late round picks and UDFAs. See Hart, Okwara, Adams, Lewis, and perhaps Hunter. His FA spending binge was also a huge success.
Conclusion: M. Thompson was a poor pick, but was made at a time when Reese's drafting was already improving.
The guy couldn't stay on the field. There's really nothing Reese can do about that. He doesn't draft with a crystal ball.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
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In comment 13555032 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Doomster said:
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
TACKLE
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
GUARD
5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
CENTER
5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
It was a surprise pick for anybody who watched Texas football because the guy didn't play that great in college but you never know how these things pan out in the pros
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
Of course you don't want to go back. No surprise there. Why bother to learn anything when your mind is already made up?
But if Thompson was able to stay healthy and became a valuable contributor - at, say, nickel corner, where the Giants had him playing as a rookie, or backup FS - would it have still be a "totally ridiculous pick?" Of course not.
And it was injuries that did him in, not talent. You don't have to be a "Reese flack" to understand that.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
But to be critical of any one guy selected 5th round and later is petty...
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
And I'll say it again... we thankfully got rid of one Jim Hermann... do we really need another???
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in the NFL. Being moved around isn't a good sign, eg, Bennett Jackson.
I'm not sure "being moved around" had a lot to do with it. The reason he was cut is the same reason Jackson was cut, neither could stay healthy. I think Jackson would still be on the team could he have stayed healthy.
Not entirely true. Injuries certainly played a big part, but Jackson struggled with his AA, change of direction, backpedal, and ability to plaster receivers at CB, and didn't have the frame, size, or physicality to match up well at S. Thompson faced similar issues, it's why they're moved around, team likes them but they're unable to earn a spot during the positional battles.
I like Storage Wars.
And I'll say it again... we thankfully got rid of one Jim Hermann... do we really need another???
That's Jimmy Hermann to you.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Stefon Diggs
Jay Ajayi
JJ Nelson
Jesse James
Karlos Williams
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
Interesting journey you took in that post.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that it wasn't a bad pick. I'm ready to move on.
I hesitate to criticize the Thompson pick too severely. The Giants may have seen signs of interest from other teams, and there's also no way to know how he might have fared without the injuries.
Blogger always has a good feel for roster issues. This move was just as much about getting another body at LB for practice. They are really thin there right now.
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Because you never heard of the guy? Because Joe Schmo at DraftBooger.com said he was a UDFA? How much scouting did you do prior to the 2015 draft?
I have my own issues with Reese, but taking a flyer on Mykkele Thompson in the 5th round when the Giants were desperately seeking Safeties isn't one of them.
If you're always looking for trouble, you're bound to find it, as you so obviously are...and do.
Interesting journey you took in that post.
You can keep trying to convince yourself that it wasn't a bad pick. I'm ready to move on.
Of course you are. Don't acknowledge anything that might upset your narrative. Just move on.
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Another Jerry R. draft pick head-scratcher.
There's not really such a thing as a 5th round pick head scratcher.
I think Arc was being sarcastic sally, at least I hope he was
But was Beer Man, the person I replied to, being sarcastic?
A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Going to get the masses pissed. Has nothing to do w his injury history or not working out. Most guys don't. But at some point if your OL for 5 years rubbing looked to be paper thin and unimpressive drafting a guy at DB makes a lot less sense than looking into the OL. Even if it's just good depth.
Pugh Richberg and Fluker are all FA next year. Having a OL who is cheap and ready to step in makes sense. I think the OL is going to be much better this year. But long term there are a lot of gray areas and questions
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That's not Jerry Reese's fault.
Its his fault he drafted someone so frail.. Absolutely.. He gets kudos for drafting guys who dont miss games and he gets blame when he drafts guys that are prone to injuries.. That is absolutely part of the equation.
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Thompson never missed a game in college, playing in 52 straight in four seasons. He was a versatile guy who played both CB and S, and was a "plus athlete" with good size and measurables. It's a shame he couldn't stay healthy, but to blame Jerry Reese for that is, as I said, ridiculous.
I didnt say he should get fired because he cant knock the fifth round out the park consistently, im saying at the end of the day Mykkele was a failed draft pick, to make excuses about him not being a bust because he is always injured is irrelevant. What is relevant is the results and they say there is nothing to show for that pick going forward and frankly from day one, Mykkele did absolutely nothing at all for this team. It counts as a bad pick and justifying it by saying most 5th rounders are busts is a losers mentality, if thats the case why not donate those late round picks why dont you? And lets not kid ourselves Klaatu, it wasnt like he was any good fully healthy and if you think otherwise then that is the only thing truly ridiculous.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
And you make it even harder when you take someone who never should have been drafted.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Go back and look at the 2015 draft. You can make a case that Jay Ajayi or Stefon Diggs (both drafted shortly after Thompson) would have been better picks, but the rest of that draft is replete with guys "who never should have been drafted" but were, by all 32 teams.
You're wasting your time Klaatu. Jeff57 is one of the worst.
"Worst." Translation: "I can never admit that Reese made a mistake. Ever."
Oh, bullshit - Reese has made his share of mistakes just like every other GM in the history of the NFL
The difference is that you're bellyaching over a 5th round pick as if every other front office hit on their pick that round.
Look at the guys drafted there. How many of those names do you recognize? 2-3? There are 32 teams. Do the math.
Why can't you admit that it was a bad pick, at the time it was made. Not in hindsight. I got a lot of shit from some on here when I said it, at the time it was made. Still getting shit by some of the same folks who can't simply admit that it was a bad pick.
To be fair, you hate almost every pick they make. Haven't heard of a guy? Hate it! Hate enough of them, you're bound to look like a "genius" when a 5th rounder gets cut a few years later, right? Good thinking!
No problem calling that a reach. Or a project. Or whatever words JR uses for a NRFPT signee.
On draft day he was a surprise and an unknown. How much of an unknown?
On WIKI-
"Mykkele Thompson (born April 22, 1993) is an Italian American football cornerback..."
Link - ( New Window )
You didn't hear about Thompson in your draft guide? It means nothing. Every year guys considered UFA in these guides get drafted. Why? Because the difference between 5th and not drafted isn't much.
Thompson was drafted in 2015. About 1/3 of the 5th rounders that year have already been cut. All reaches? It's the same every year. 5th rounders get cut in year 1, 2, and 3 at a very high rate.
The Giants drafted a very athletic and versatile kid. They scouted him and did their homework. They said he was worthy of the pick. That isn't enough for you because you didn't hear about him heading into the draft. Thompson getting cut today doesn't mean you're right about the reach BS either.
He tore his achilles in year one. He didn't make it back. You have no fucking idea if the kid could play.
Umm...wrong.
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Another Jerry R. draft pick head-scratcher.
There's not really such a thing as a 5th round pick head scratcher.
I think Arc was being sarcastic sally, at least I hope he was
Arc is never sarcastic.
We disagreed on this and maybe one other; 95% of the time I think your positions and observations are spot on.
Do the "flacks" get credit for calling the people who said JPP a reach morons, now?
We have one of the best secondaries in the fucking league and some of you are crying over Reese missing on a 5th round pick from 2015? Holy shit.
Not a matter of going back. I said it at the time. So did a lot of other people. But Reese's flacks won't even admit that a totally ridiculous pick, at the time it was made, was a bad pick.
Unless a well-touted player unexpectedly falls to the 5th, I bet you can say "Bad pick!" after every 5th round choice and wind up feeling good about yourself.
No, no one expected anything from him AND we got absolutely nothing, not even solid roster competition from this kid BUT you do expect to get a little something from your fifth rounder, last years fifth rounder is this years starting running back.. Its not a devastating knock on JR but at the end of the day it counts as bad pick period.. Im over it now, and its not a big deal at all..
You shouldn't.
Lots of 1st rders this year are injured, and may never be what they were thought to be when drafted, from a health perspective.
MT's best athletic skill has been as a bike rider since drafted; he may have been a steal, or a bust.
Who knows what David Wilson might have done in BMacs WCO; and as we've discussed among ourselves the importance of being/staying a healthy team(Nicks, Smith,Phillips, etc).
Things happen.
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A fifth round pick? Wasted....Even he thought he wouldn't be drafted....hard to believe there wasn't an OLman there between that pick and Hart....
Well, here they are:
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6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Vikings Oklahoma
7 1 218 Anthony Morris Raiders Tennessee State
7 8 225 Jake Rodgers Falcons Eastern Washington
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5 16 152 Jarvis Harrison Jets Texas A&M
5 40 176 Robert Myers Ravens Tennessee State
6 7 183 Tayo Fabuluje Bears Texas Christian
6 14 190 Ian Silberman 49ers Boston College
6 39 215 Cody Wichmann Rams Fresno State
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5 30 166 Joe Cardona Patriots Navy
6 32 208 Andy Gallik Titans Boston College
7 5 222 Austin Reiter Redskins South Florida
Of those eleven linemen, only Wichmann and Cardona are still with their original teams. Wichmann is a likely backup. Cardona is purely a long-snapper.
Posting is easy. Drafting is hard.
One of my favorite posts in a while. Perfectly illustrates the crapshoot at the back end of the draft.
In theory, it should completely shut down any counter argument, but of course there's a chunk of fans that can't be reasoned with.
(1) Reese drafted poorly from 2009 - 2012 (except for Nicks and Beatty).
(2) Reese drafted much better starting in 2013.
(3) M. Thompson was not one of his better picks during this latter period of drafting. Thompson himself was surprised to be drafted. BBI pretty much exploded, correctly noting that he most likely would have been available as a UDFA. Thompson looked like another example of Reese deciding he was smarter than every other GM. See also Robinson, Adrian.
(4) Reese is doing much better lately with late round picks and UDFAs. See Hart, Okwara, Adams, Lewis, and perhaps Hunter. His FA spending binge was also a huge success.
Conclusion: M. Thompson was a poor pick, but was made at a time when Reese's drafting was already improving.