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NorwoodWideRight : 8/10/2017 3:42 pm
So, I re-watched this last night (my first full re-watch since 2012), and really took my time analyzing the game. The Pats were lucky to even get a sniff at possibly winning that game. There was so much holding and several no-call PI's. I didn't remember being so pissed watching it live back then, but they were pretty blatant and obvious.

They say the two Giants SB wins against the Pats were "flukes" or "lucky". The first one, yeah, I can see it. The second one, no freaking way.
The Giants first SB against the Pats was lucky?  
BillT : 8/10/2017 3:50 pm : link
Just how was it lucky? There was nothing lucky about it. We beat the up and down the field. Unless you count the greatest play in SB history as lucky. And to do that you'd have to not understand the word luck because luck played no part in that play. The truth is "Norwood Wide Right" is closer to luck but you don't hear it called that because even it really wasn't luck either.
RE: The Giants first SB against the Pats was lucky?  
NorwoodWideRight : 8/10/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13555251 BillT said:
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Just how was it lucky? There was nothing lucky about it. We beat the up and down the field. Unless you count the greatest play in SB history as lucky. And to do that you'd have to not understand the word luck because luck played no part in that play. The truth is "Norwood Wide Right" is closer to luck but you don't hear it called that because even it really wasn't luck either.


The Pats were up with a minute left to play on a 3rd and 5 in the Giants territory. They were mauling Eli in the 4th and looked to maul him on the play where he connected with Tyree. Some call that a fluky play. I don't, but I can see it. Take away that play and the Pats win, despite us beating them up and down the field or no.
RE: RE: The Giants first SB against the Pats was lucky?  
BillT : 8/10/2017 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13555257 NorwoodWideRight said:
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Just how was it lucky? There was nothing lucky about it. We beat the up and down the field. Unless you count the greatest play in SB history as lucky. And to do that you'd have to not understand the word luck because luck played no part in that play. The truth is "Norwood Wide Right" is closer to luck but you don't hear it called that because even it really wasn't luck either.



The Pats were up with a minute left to play on a 3rd and 5 in the Giants territory. They were mauling Eli in the 4th and looked to maul him on the play where he connected with Tyree. Some call that a fluky play. I don't, but I can see it. Take away that play and the Pats win, despite us beating them up and down the field or no.

But we got that play done and it wasn't luck or a fluke. It was the simply greatest play in SB history and the Giants were the ones that made it happen. That's a win and a deserved one.
The Giants had no business losing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/10/2017 4:10 pm : link
either Super Bowl.

They were the better team on those fields both games.
yeah, we were so lucky when the refs threw  
SHO'NUFF : 8/10/2017 4:25 pm : link
a flag on that Wilfork dive...or when Smith popped up an INT off his hands into the waiting arms of a Patriots defender, deep in Pats territory.
spoilers!!!!!!  
YAJ2112 : 8/10/2017 4:25 pm : link
geez, show some consideration
Yeah, the Wilfork flop changed everything.  
bceagle05 : 8/10/2017 4:45 pm : link
Giants were mauling the Patriots physically and would've scored on that drive. I was thinking blowout until that BS call changed all the momentum. They were maddeningly inconsistent, but the ceiling of that Giants team was incredibly high - QB playing at a legendary level, three explosive WRs, a ferocious defensive line, and excellent coaching. When I saw the way they played in the second half against the Jets and Week 17 against Dallas, I was thinking Super Bowl. I bet we all were.
Boothe Hold  
Sour Kraut Kid : 8/10/2017 5:20 pm : link
It's a blow out and wouldn't have been close... Simular to how the refs kept the Green Bay game close. The over turned fumble, roughing the passer, DJ Ware 3rd down spot, etc... My Jets fans say the 90 team got lucky too and I'm like yeah real lucky winning with a backup QB lol...
Yeah, we annihilated Green Bay in the divisional round.  
bceagle05 : 8/10/2017 5:23 pm : link
I'm not one to pile on the refs all the time, but they absolutely kept Green Bay in the game that day.
If anything, I see it the opposite way  
BlackLight : 8/10/2017 5:34 pm : link
We outplayed New England in the first one. In the second, we did well to come back, but Welker makes that catch, we're probably cooked.
the giants deserved superbowl xvII  
lightemup : 8/10/2017 6:04 pm : link
they manhandled the pats all game, but you cant tell me it wasn't lucky that manning got out of that sack and heaved it down the middle of the field and it wasn't picked off or knocked away at the very least
RE: The Giants had no business losing  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13555263 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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either Super Bowl.

They were the better team on those fields both games.


they were close games, but this statement is right on the money...
RE: The Giants had no business losing  
BillT : 8/10/2017 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13555263 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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either Super Bowl.

They were the better team on those fields both games.

You mean after beating the #1 and #2 seeds in the NFC to get there both years. Yeah, they deserved to be there as much as any other team deserved to be there
RE: RE: The Giants had no business losing  
BillT : 8/10/2017 6:43 pm : link
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either Super Bowl.

They were the better team on those fields both games.


You mean after beating the #1 and #2 seeds in the NFC to get there both years. Yeah, they deserved to be there as much as any other team deserved to be there


Sorry, ignore this. Misread the original post!!
The Booth Wilfork holding call  
St. Jimmy : 8/10/2017 6:49 pm : link
changed the game from a blowout to a game the Giants had to come from behind. I was shocked the NFL showed Wilfork telling the ref it was a bad call the next day. Of course they were setting up for replacement refs the next year and were firing a salvo at the officials union.
Just wait until LII....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 8/10/2017 7:30 pm : link
....we're going to mop the floor with them and leave no doubt this time.
I dunno why  
DieHard : 8/10/2017 8:25 pm : link
But I was more of a nervous wreck watching XLVI than I was for XLII. Maybe because we had all seen the Giants do it before so we knew they were capable, and so many things went against them in that game (the Wilfork phantom penalty, no PI called on critical third down pass to Manningham, etc.). But there were very lucky plays that went our way too (12 men on the field when Cruz fumbles inside the 10, Bradshaw's 4th quarter fumble that somehow bounces right into Snee's paws, Brady and Welker missing on the pass that might have iced it). Just one of those games in which neither side could pull away, and both sides can point to random things that helped and hindered them. On the last Pats drive I didn't have any energy left to even scream at the TV. I just sat there and hoped.
RE: I dunno why  
Scyber : 8/10/2017 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13555461 DieHard said:
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But I was more of a nervous wreck watching XLVI than I was for XLII. Maybe because we had all seen the Giants do it before so we knew they were capable, and so many things went against them in that game (the Wilfork phantom penalty, no PI called on critical third down pass to Manningham, etc.). But there were very lucky plays that went our way too (12 men on the field when Cruz fumbles inside the 10, Bradshaw's 4th quarter fumble that somehow bounces right into Snee's paws, Brady and Welker missing on the pass that might have iced it). Just one of those games in which neither side could pull away, and both sides can point to random things that helped and hindered them. On the last Pats drive I didn't have any energy left to even scream at the TV. I just sat there and hoped.


I agree, I was more nervous for 46. I think for 42 most of us considered the season a success already even if they lost the SB. For me, everything after beating Dallas was just icing on the cake. I think with 46 the fans expectations were higher. Also I think we all knew that if the Pats beat us in 46, it would take some of the luster off of 42 (being the only team to beat Brady/Belicheck in the SB).
RE: the giants deserved superbowl xvII  
montanagiant : 8/11/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13555348 lightemup said:
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they manhandled the pats all game, but you cant tell me it wasn't lucky that manning got out of that sack and heaved it down the middle of the field and it wasn't picked off or knocked away at the very least

The only lucky aspect to that play was the Ref doing the right thing and not whistling the play dead before Eli escaped
I was very confident for 42  
Steve L : 8/11/2017 8:58 am : link
I knew we would win. I was predicting by two scores. The Pats had plateaued and we were peaking. There was no way we were going to lose that game.

The second one...I wasn't so sure. But when Eli hit Manningham. It was over.
In SB 42, it wasn't lucky that our dline manhandled their oline  
Ira : 8/11/2017 10:18 am : link
all game.
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